Thoughts on Malestorm weapons in normal mode

Magic_Doogies

DschiPeunt wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Dont think this should ever happen.

Gaining materials to upgrade your weapon takes 20 seconds.
Learning how to play takes a lot longer and therefore, players who have earned it should be rewarded.

So, wouldn't that be a good argument to make the best weapons in the game drop from vMoL hardmode only?

It's a good argument if you ignore the fact that for many more players of this game that aren't on these forums- vMA, vCoA, vICP and vWGT are some of the hardest dungeons to beat and most players can't ever get to the end of them. Even after the nerf.

And all of those dungeons drops some of the best monster helms and sets in the game.
Not only that but the normal version of those dungeons have the armor capped at blue and 150CP. So unless you really don't care atm you are already gimped doing normal mode stuff.

Good players- or players who are lucky enough to be grouped with players who are powerful or know the mechanics are rewarded with 160CP high end gear. (although the traits are up in the air regardless.)

potirondb16_ESO

DschiPeunt wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

But the difficulty level of normal trials deserves alkosh/aether/ophidian jewelry to drop?

In over 200 normal run, I've never got an Ophidian or an Alkosh or a IA drop solo drop rate at this point become trolling all by itself

Totalitarian

potirondb16_ESO wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

But the difficulty level of normal trials deserves alkosh/aether/ophidian jewelry to drop?

In over 200 normal run, I've never got an Ophidian or an Alkosh or a IA drop solo drop rate at this point become trolling all by itself

If you can, run vet trials. Jewelry drop rate is 100%, and you have a 33% chance of getting the set you want.

Magic_Doogies

Totalitarian wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Well, you can just buy the kena set now, sooooo.....

Best Kena shoulders are the ones I bought from the Undaunted Vendor day 1 ;_;

One day I did both silver and gold pledges and both chests gave me divines shoulders.

I've never been a more happy woman in my life.

Totalitarian

Magic_Doogies wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Well, you can just buy the kena set now, sooooo.....

Best Kena shoulders are the ones I bought from the Undaunted Vendor day 1 ;_;

One day I did both silver and gold pledges and both chests gave me divines shoulders.

I've never been a more happy woman in my life.

I say this as I've had good rng before. People run vCOA many times to get a light-divines helm. Got mine on my second clear.

Got light divines Nereineth on probably my 20th run, doing pledges.

I remember saving up about 180 keys and unloading them all, and I only got 1 Kena shoulder, but I got several shoulders in divines and good weights.

So it could be worse for me.

potirondb16_ESO

Argah wrote: »

Sorry for off topic but what is malestorm?

Maestrom is a solo instance who's been introduce with Orsinium which as been consider as the most challenging solo content in the game and where you can also find some of the best weapon Inside the game.

vMA (as most people call it) also have been a long time debat about whether or not vMA completion was a unique achievement or not. There's been a lot of issue about that instance as at first the weapon drop rate was lower and asked for a full completion as you enter, but also had better traits.

Nowaday, vMA drop weapon all the time but it becomes harder to get the traits you want.

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Last debate in line as been, should be get a token system and actually buy our vMA weapon (most high-end runner would probably get one per characther or more). Or shall we give easier acces to the vMA weapon by giving people acces to those when they are completing it Inside normal mode.

Same debate shall also stand for vDSA, but at the moment most people don't call out that issue, (and yes I'll troll), even if those are likely to be better in term of pvp

Magic_Doogies

Totalitarian wrote: »

Magic_Doogies wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Well, you can just buy the kena set now, sooooo.....

Best Kena shoulders are the ones I bought from the Undaunted Vendor day 1 ;_;

One day I did both silver and gold pledges and both chests gave me divines shoulders.

I've never been a more happy woman in my life.

I say this as I've had good rng before. People run vCOA many times to get a light-divines helm. Got mine on my second clear.

Got light divines Nereineth on probably my 20th run, doing pledges.

I remember saving up about 180 keys and unloading them all, and I only got 1 Kena shoulder, but I got several shoulders in divines and good weights.

So it could be worse for me.

We are all victims to bad RnG's at some point. I rmemeber doing multiple vICP runs and literally all the dropped sets were *** I already have in complete or training and prosperous.

Totalitarian

Magic_Doogies wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

Magic_Doogies wrote: »

Totalitarian wrote: »

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Well, you can just buy the kena set now, sooooo.....

Best Kena shoulders are the ones I bought from the Undaunted Vendor day 1 ;_;

One day I did both silver and gold pledges and both chests gave me divines shoulders.

I've never been a more happy woman in my life.

I say this as I've had good rng before. People run vCOA many times to get a light-divines helm. Got mine on my second clear.

Got light divines Nereineth on probably my 20th run, doing pledges.

I remember saving up about 180 keys and unloading them all, and I only got 1 Kena shoulder, but I got several shoulders in divines and good weights.

So it could be worse for me.

We are all victims to bad RnG's at some point. I rmemeber doing multiple vICP runs and literally all the dropped sets were *** I already have in complete or training and prosperous.

Sounds just like a normal vICP run That seems to be the dungeon with the worst sets.

I absolutely hate vICP. Ran it 3 times in a row with friends. Took a good 2.5 hours and drained my will to live; such a long dungeon.

potirondb16_ESO

Totalitarian wrote: »

potirondb16_ESO wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

But the difficulty level of normal trials deserves alkosh/aether/ophidian jewelry to drop?

In over 200 normal run, I've never got an Ophidian or an Alkosh or a IA drop solo drop rate at this point become trolling all by itself

If you can, run vet trials. Jewelry drop rate is 100%, and you have a 33% chance of getting the set you want.

I know got my first vet completion yesterday Thanks to Dark Assassins N/A PC guild for bringing me along btw

Reykice

Cp 140 weapons with a less powerful enchant max but not any higher, normal is so easy its like a normal quest...

Pandorii

I think it's funny how some people can be so vocal against others getting their hands on a Maelstrom weapon. It seems selfish. They want to have exclusive access to the BiS weapons so they can be relatively better than others. Casuals just want to be powerful too. = (

(I'm slightly kidding.)

iRogue32

Pandorii wrote: »

I think it's funny how some people can be so vocal against others getting their hands on a Maelstrom weapon. It seems selfish. They want to have exclusive access to the BiS weapons so they can be relatively better than others. Casuals just want to be powerful too. = (

(I'm slightly kidding.)

I think it's funny how some people can be so vocal for others getting their hands on a Maelstrom weapon by completing easy content. It seems selfish. They want to have easy access to the BiS weapons so they can attempt to be as good as others.

Caipiroska

I like the idea of using a maelstrom weapon only if u are good enough to beat it in veteran.

I dont want everyone out there using maelstrom weapons because they finished something really easy( maelstrom normal ).


It wouldn't feel special at all to have them..

LadyNalcarya

Well, you say that normal version is useless, but if normal would drop vma weapons, even in white quality, it will make veteran version useless as normal one can be farmed at much faster pace. So why would anyone bother about the more difficult version? Only a few people are actually doing in for scores or fun, almost everyone I know never came back after tehy got their weapons. It suffers from rng and lag issues but the difficulty matches the drops.
Also normal Maelstrom is laughably easy. It can be done by a fresh char without any set items, with random white gear from the tutorial mission. Even on cp160 scale you can just light attack everythin to death, and your stats magically replenish every round... Normal trials are more difficult than that.
So I dont think something that easy should be rewarded with the best loot in game. Its like demanding a set of golden BiS armor for killing Molag Bal during main quest.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

I still don't understand the hype of these weapons. Sure they are great but not having them isn't gonna prevent you from doing any of the content in the game. Seriously just go back at a later time and practice vMA and you will eventually beat it and then it will become easier for you. I still haven't beaten it and not having the weapons hasn't prevented me from doing anything. I am perfectly fine with probably never obtaining a weapon from vMA.

chimneyswift_ESO

No. VMA weapons should always be for Veteran completions only. Pls stop with this "normal mode give me weapons" nonsense.

DschiPeunt

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, you say that normal version is useless, but if normal would drop vma weapons, even in white quality, it will make veteran version useless as normal one can be farmed at much faster pace. So why would anyone bother about the more difficult version? Only a few people are actually doing in for scores or fun, almost everyone I know never came back after tehy got their weapons.

Well, maybe ZOS should implement content, that people actually want to do then. Since the announcement of MSA people argued, that a solo player arena has no place in an MMO. I just don't want to run vMSA over and over just because ZOS put the by far best weapons in the game in a solo player arena. That was a dumb move in the first place.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Normal trials are more difficult than that.
So I dont think something that easy should be rewarded with the best loot in game. Its like demanding a set of golden BiS armor for killing Molag Bal during main quest.

Even if the normal trials are more difficult than nMSA, they are still not difficult. For me there are 2 approaches to this:
Either you argue, that you have to earn your loot, but this means that all the BOP gear has to go from normal trials and that the hardest content (vMoL hardmode) should drop the best gear and weapons. Something better than MSA weapons that would be.
Or you think that it's ok to get your jewelry from normal trials and that the golden jewelry from vMoL hardmode is enough reward. But then you shouldn't mind people getting MSA weapons from normal MSA. Farming normal trials for the best jewelry isn't earning the items.

Since I doubt, that ZOS will do the first, I am in favor of the latter. But as it is now, it's not consistent. And that annoys me.

Kalante

Tyrion87 wrote: »

redspecter23 wrote: »

I could get on board if specific traits dropped on each difficulty.

Normal

Training
Charged
Nirnhoned
Decisive
Powered (every weapon but resto staff)

Veteran

Precise
Sharpened
Defending
Infused
Powered (resto staff only)

Normal will never drop best in slot and the crappy diluted pool of traits in veteran gets a bit better. Make training drop about 50% of the time on normal with the other traits dropping the rest of the time. Veteran would have a 25% chance of any given trait on most weapons and 20% of any trait on a resto staff. Alternatively, you could just fix the trait pool in veteran and have normal drop only in training.

^This. And drop it on max CP150 on normal.

That is actually a really good idea.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

chimneyswift_ESO wrote: »

No. VMA weapons should always be for Veteran completions only. Pls stop with this "normal mode give me weapons" nonsense.

I have said it before and I will say it again. This is the age of entitlement

olsborg

Master weapons too, pvpers hate pve! Especially hard pve

idk

Magic_Doogies wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Dont think this should ever happen.

Gaining materials to upgrade your weapon takes 20 seconds.
Learning how to play takes a lot longer and therefore, players who have earned it should be rewarded.

So, wouldn't that be a good argument to make the best weapons in the game drop from vMoL hardmode only?

It's a good argument if you ignore the fact that for many more players of this game that aren't on these forums- vMA, vCoA, vICP and vWGT are some of the hardest dungeons to beat and most players can't ever get to the end of them. Even after the nerf.

And all of those dungeons drops some of the best monster helms and sets in the game.
Not only that but the normal version of those dungeons have the armor capped at blue and 150CP. So unless you really don't care atm you are already gimped doing normal mode stuff.

Good players- or players who are lucky enough to be grouped with players who are powerful or know the mechanics are rewarded with 160CP high end gear. (although the traits are up in the air regardless.)

Magic_Doogies wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

mb10 wrote: »

Dont think this should ever happen.

Gaining materials to upgrade your weapon takes 20 seconds.
Learning how to play takes a lot longer and therefore, players who have earned it should be rewarded.

So, wouldn't that be a good argument to make the best weapons in the game drop from vMoL hardmode only?

It's a good argument if you ignore the fact that for many more players of this game that aren't on these forums- vMA, vCoA, vICP and vWGT are some of the hardest dungeons to beat and most players can't ever get to the end of them. Even after the nerf.

And all of those dungeons drops some of the best monster helms and sets in the game.
Not only that but the normal version of those dungeons have the armor capped at blue and 150CP. So unless you really don't care atm you are already gimped doing normal mode stuff.

Good players- or players who are lucky enough to be grouped with players who are powerful or know the mechanics are rewarded with 160CP high end gear. (although the traits are up in the air regardless.)

The same players that find vWGT, vICP and especially vCoA a challenge will benefit little from a vMA weapon.

Good gear without a strong foundation does very little.

Don't take that wrong. I respect players choice to play different ways. I play with people who sometimes seem to be fumbling for the next button to press. They enjoy the game and that is great.

But they're not asking for an easy way to get a vMA weapon. Some have even paid their dues and worked hard to clear vMA. It doesn't take being a top player to clear it. It takes having it as goal and having a focus to see it through.

LadyNalcarya

DschiPeunt wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Well, you say that normal version is useless, but if normal would drop vma weapons, even in white quality, it will make veteran version useless as normal one can be farmed at much faster pace. So why would anyone bother about the more difficult version? Only a few people are actually doing in for scores or fun, almost everyone I know never came back after tehy got their weapons.

Well, maybe ZOS should implement content, that people actually want to do then. Since the announcement of MSA people argued, that a solo player arena has no place in an MMO. I just don't want to run vMSA over and over just because ZOS put the by far best weapons in the game in a solo player arena. That was a dumb move in the first place.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Normal trials are more difficult than that.
So I dont think something that easy should be rewarded with the best loot in game. Its like demanding a set of golden BiS armor for killing Molag Bal during main quest.

Even if the normal trials are more difficult than nMSA, they are still not difficult. For me there are 2 approaches to this:
Either you argue, that you have to earn your loot, but this means that all the BOP gear has to go from normal trials and that the hardest content (vMoL hardmode) should drop the best gear and weapons. Something better than MSA weapons that would be.
Or you think that it's ok to get your jewelry from normal trials and that the golden jewelry from vMoL hardmode is enough reward. But then you shouldn't mind people getting MSA weapons from normal MSA. Farming normal trials for the best jewelry isn't earning the items.

Since I doubt, that ZOS will do the first, I am in favor of the latter. But as it is now, it's not consistent. And that annoys me.

I dislike vMA (and nMA) too. But thats not the point.
Of course, I'd prefer if MA weapons were obtained in group content, but in any case, this content shouldnt be THE easiest instance of the game. nMA is the easiest thing after main quest/guild quest instances, you know...
And yes, I think that the best gear should be earned. And nMA cant be compared to nMoL or nSO for example. At least in those you wont get 100% resources back after any trash pull and light attacking wouldnt be an awesome strategy.

Stoopid_Nwah

Sure, if they upped the difficulty significantly so that I couldn't run through it blindfolded. Perhaps this will sound harsh, but for those who can't make it through vma to get weapons that they say is the one thing their dps is lacking...well, the problem isn't the lack of maelstrom weapons. A lot of people think they're in some "l33t" top dps bruh, but if I see them complaining and not making it through even the first arena lol...

Of course I'm mostly talking about dps, sorry tanks and healers, you can't heal or tank things to death .

LegendaryArcher

Why is this discussion going on? Since when do you get anything useful from vMA?

Sorry, but whoever is posting here hasn't been running it for quite some time. Since DB you cannot get useful vMA weapons from running vMA. Neither the chest, nor the leaderboard. The chance of getting them is negligibly small. Only 18% of farmers will get their weapon after 150 vMA runs. 20% will not get their weapon after 1000+ runs.

What are we even talking about?

Someone had an amazing suggestion: Let Maelstrom weapons drop in nMA in Decisive, Charged, Powered, Defending, etc. and let vMA drop only Sharpened and Precise. All problems solved. No coding for a token system required.

That way it would still take 40 - 50 runs on average to get the specific weapon, which is a fair amount of runs in my opinion, while the chance to not get the desired weapon after 1000+ runs would be below 1% (and not 20% as it is now).

@ZOS_Finn

Qbiken

LegendaryArcher wrote: »

Why is this discussion going on? Since when do you get anything useful from vMA?

Sorry, but whoever is posting here hasn't been running it for quite some time. Since DB you cannot get useful vMA weapons from running vMA. Neither the chest, nor the leaderboard. The chance of getting them is negligibly small. Only 18% of farmers will get their weapon after 150 vMA runs. 20% will not get their weapon after 1000+ runs.

What are we even talking about?

Someone had an amazing suggestion: Let Maelstrom weapons drop in nMA in Decisive, Charged, Powered, Defending, etc. and let vMA drop only Sharpened and Precise. All problems solved. No coding for a token system required.

That way it would still take 40 - 50 runs on average to get the specific weapon, which is a fair amount of runs in my opinion, while the chance to not get the desired weapon after 1000+ runs would be below 1% (and not 20% as it is now).

@ZOS_Finn

Even if I get a maelstrom dagger in powered it will still outperform any sharpened 1h weapon (due to the enchantement) in the game. The suggestion is stupid. Leave maelstrom weapons to Veteran. If I see another stupid post like this I will start reporting people.......

My friend said a very true thing the other day:Elitists doesn´t ruin a game, casual player does, since they always want all the content to be adjusted to their "lifestyle". Casuals doesn´t spend the amount of time that some content in the game requires, but still want to experience/perform it like the more experienced ones, and on top of that they still want the same "rewards" but not putting in effort

PureEnvelope35

boldscot wrote: »

No, complete vet or stop seeking the rewards that come from completing it.

I can't believe that people actually suggest that dropping the weapons in a lower quality is a good idea (your not the first). The difficulty involved with upgrading from white to purple or gold weapons is nothing compared to the difficulty in completing the VMSA and getting to a point where you can run it in less than an hour with few or no deaths and getting on the weekly leader board.

Yeah I really want about 6 more powered bows, 4 charged restos and 2 infused maces

Cously

Considering how the dungeons started harder and then were toned down in difficult in order to make it more accessible to all the player base, it will be no surprise for me if they make vma weapons drop on the normal version and/or make vma a lot easier. Infact I'm positive that what will happen in time if they carry on toning down content over time.

Asardes

They are toning down old content to sell new.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN

So much hostility over a bunch of stupid weapons

Apherius

iAmLife wrote: »

At the moment normal mode is a piece of [snip]... no good rewards you can get out of it... here is just a quick thought, since vet rank drops purple/gold weapons, why not make normal drops only white malestorm weapons which then the player would need to upgrade via materials. Also yes then people would spam their filthy [snip] for a white weapon and get them easy... that's what your thinking right? probably not but I'm still going to cover it ... funny guy...

Make the drop rate quite low so it's not easy to get compared to vet. What do you guys think of this? [snip]

[snip]

[Edit to remove bait and censor bypass.]

Long version:

LOL , 459th post about this .

This is incroyable just L2P man ! , i have the Impression of repeat my self , 2 sec, i come back , i have a copy & past to do .

here -->

if you want maesltrom weapons easily , it's because you are impatient , or you are bad , or you don't want L2p --> what is the interest ? maesltrom weapons are good for PVE HL , if you can't wait and try hard something , where is the interest to do Better and harder content after , with a maesltrom weapons ?... becaues with or without it , you will stay a bad and impatient man .

and please ... in WHITE !!!! Green material /blue material/purple material ... this cost 2 g each or 200G each ... but ... Where is the interest !! you can upgrade them to gold like everyone !

You can farm Nma in 20 min , just press 2 button and the left click of the mouse !

" did you want the stormproof title too " ? " or you can ask for maesltrom weapons on the first chest of the Nma " it's your choice . but your idea is totaly bad .

Short version:

L2P .