Thoughts on Malestorm weapons in normal mode

iAmLife

At the moment normal mode is a piece of [snip]... no good rewards you can get out of it... here is just a quick thought, since vet rank drops purple/gold weapons, why not make normal drops only white malestorm weapons which then the player would need to upgrade via materials. Also yes then people would spam their filthy [snip] for a white weapon and get them easy... that's what your thinking right? probably not but I'm still going to cover it ... funny guy...

Make the drop rate quite low so it's not easy to get compared to vet. What do you guys think of this? [snip]

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DschiPeunt

I like the idea. They started handing out sets from veteran trials in normal trials, too. So, why not do the same for Maelstrom Arena? Especially considering the annoying "trait-farming".
@ZOS_Finn make it happen. I need a Maelstrom staff!

juhasman

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

DschiPeunt

juhasman wrote: »

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

But the difficulty level of normal trials deserves alkosh/aether/ophidian jewelry to drop?

boldscot

No, complete vet or stop seeking the rewards that come from completing it.

I can't believe that people actually suggest that dropping the weapons in a lower quality is a good idea (your not the first). The difficulty involved with upgrading from white to purple or gold weapons is nothing compared to the difficulty in completing the VMSA and getting to a point where you can run it in less than an hour with few or no deaths and getting on the weekly leader board.

juhasman

DschiPeunt wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

But the difficulty level of normal trials deserves alkosh/aether/ophidian jewelry to drop?

Yes. Some bosses on certain trials requires having atleast 1 brain cell from all group members when normal MA dont. Also there is a difference between jewelery quality and weapons quality. To get gold jewelery You need to finish vet mode You cant improve it but You can do this with weapons.

redspecter23

I could get on board if specific traits dropped on each difficulty.

Normal

Training
Charged
Nirnhoned
Decisive
Powered (every weapon but resto staff)

Veteran

Precise
Sharpened
Defending
Infused
Powered (resto staff only)

Normal will never drop best in slot and the crappy diluted pool of traits in veteran gets a bit better. Make training drop about 50% of the time on normal with the other traits dropping the rest of the time. Veteran would have a 25% chance of any given trait on most weapons and 20% of any trait on a resto staff. Alternatively, you could just fix the trait pool in veteran and have normal drop only in training.

Mortehl

No. Another thread from someone who can't or won't put the time in. GG

iAmLife

Yeah I agree increase the difficulty but not as it is with VET.. then otherwise what would be the point ... maybe IC sewers difficulty? And with low drop rate of the 'white weapon' people won't get the drop instantly... they have to constantly do it ... lets say 8 rounds of trying = 1 small chance of dropping a white malestorm weapon?

iAmLife

redspecter23 wrote: »

I could get on board if specific traits dropped on each difficulty.

Normal

Training
Charged
Nirnhoned
Decisive
Powered (every weapon but resto staff)

Veteran

Precise
Sharpened
Defending
Infused
Powered (resto staff only)

Normal will never drop best in slot and the crappy diluted pool of traits in veteran gets a bit better. Make training drop about 50% of the time on normal with the other traits dropping the rest of the time. Veteran would have a 33% chance of any given trait on most weapons and 25% of any trait on a resto staff. Alternatively, you could just fix the trait pool in veteran and have normal drop only in training.

yeah something like that.. also would give the user a chance to test out the weapon even with a *** trait

FrostFallFox

They could drop as level 10 white weapons with no enchantment, sure.

schroed360

It s already really hard to get one with a good trait if your looking for 1-2 specifc weapon.
Haven t you seen all those threads?
# Weneedatokensystemforvma ...pls.
So you may not realise that what your asking if low drop rate is worst than not having it.

In addition and i really don t say that to be rude but why do you not want to do the vet version . There is a " save" feature now so you can progress in it at your own pace.
If the answer is because i can t complete it then getting a maelstrom weapon won t really change your performance. Whereas completing it will help you greatly to improve yourself then the weapon will help you to push further.

Again this is not to be rude but i just don t understand why someone who is not on the playing field of vma would bother about a weapon that is just there to push that lvl further.Add to that that you ll be better with a sharpened crafted than with a trash trait mweapon...( except for 1 handed) and we can just conclude because it s been too long that i haven t seen a new thread on this topic.

VMA need a token system. Or at least anything that can appease the range god.

Edit: after reading some of the idea in the post i could agree on the drop in training trait and scale to v15 max.

Argah

Sorry for off topic but what is malestorm?

iAmLife

FrostFallFox wrote: »

They could drop as level 10 white weapons with no enchantment, sure.

And renamed to iAmLife instead of Maelstorm? I wouldn't mind.. bring it on anyday!

Tyrion87

redspecter23 wrote: »

I could get on board if specific traits dropped on each difficulty.

Normal

Training
Charged
Nirnhoned
Decisive
Powered (every weapon but resto staff)

Veteran

Precise
Sharpened
Defending
Infused
Powered (resto staff only)

Normal will never drop best in slot and the crappy diluted pool of traits in veteran gets a bit better. Make training drop about 50% of the time on normal with the other traits dropping the rest of the time. Veteran would have a 25% chance of any given trait on most weapons and 20% of any trait on a resto staff. Alternatively, you could just fix the trait pool in veteran and have normal drop only in training.

^This. And drop it on max CP150 on normal.

iAmLife

Argah wrote: »

Sorry for off topic but what is malestorm?

something I spelt like a BOSS... going for a rename on weapon as we speak!

Tyrion87

Argah wrote: »

Sorry for off topic but what is malestorm?

It is an opposite to femalestorm.

Darnathian

Or you know since it affects PVP AND PVE, give them as end of campaign rewards again.

Asardes

Having white/green weapons drop is still too good, since they will drop with sharpened and will drop much frequently because normal can be completed much faster than veteran. I actually like the idea of not awarding anything for normal mode dungeons completion, trials and MA and making all specific gear only drop in veteran. Basically what they are doing now for monster heads, but extended for all special drops, like sets. The normal version are there just for training but IMO they are too easy even for that.

Destyran

DschiPeunt wrote: »

I like the idea. They started handing out sets from veteran trials in normal trials, too. So, why not do the same for Maelstrom Arena? Especially considering the annoying "trait-farming".
@ZOS_Finn make it happen. I need a Maelstrom staff!

If they make this a thing just have a guaranteed drop rate so we can all switch from the 1hr average per run to faceroll mode and farm it in a night?

Argah

Tyrion87 wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Sorry for off topic but what is malestorm?

It is an opposite to femalestorm.

I saw it mentioned in another thread there guessing its something like an arena, going to check it out on youtube.

iAmLife

Destyran wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

I like the idea. They started handing out sets from veteran trials in normal trials, too. So, why not do the same for Maelstrom Arena? Especially considering the annoying "trait-farming".
@ZOS_Finn make it happen. I need a Maelstrom staff!

If they make this a thing just have a guaranteed drop rate so we can all switch from the 1hr average per run to faceroll mode and farm it in a night?

The way how suggestions work is... people give their views and then look at other peoples suggestions... and then make the decision.. so like @redspecter23 stated, as with my suggestion of making the drop rate pretty low and increase the difficulty slightly but lower than VET and @Tyrion87 CP150 ... a combination of suggestions make an idea.. not just 1 mans word you like to randomly quote.

No offense if I came off hard... its for everyone in-general.

iAmLife

Tyrion87 wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Sorry for off topic but what is malestorm?

It is an opposite to femalestorm.

OH [SNIP] ME I'm jumping off my [snip] chair for joy... we have a rising talent here folks... the next Kevin Hart!!!

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WuffyCerulei

redspecter23 wrote: »

I could get on board if specific traits dropped on each difficulty.

Normal

Training
Charged
Nirnhoned
Decisive
Powered (every weapon but resto staff)

Veteran

Precise
Sharpened
Defending
Infused
Powered (resto staff only)

Normal will never drop best in slot and the crappy diluted pool of traits in veteran gets a bit better. Make training drop about 50% of the time on normal with the other traits dropping the rest of the time. Veteran would have a 25% chance of any given trait on most weapons and 20% of any trait on a resto staff. Alternatively, you could just fix the trait pool in veteran and have normal drop only in training.

I'd prefer if training was NOT the only trait available in normal. However, I would add preposterous to the normal list and move nirnhoned to vet. And the drop rate for weapons in general would be lower than vet, say, 30% chance to get a maelstrom weapon in normal.

dashima

Although I think the token system proposed in another thread is better, this isn't a bad idea either and not sure why people are so adamantly against people trying to get BiS gear or lock gear (which is all sadly now going to be BoP) behind veteran content. It's like people don't want other people to complete their builds or something. Not everyone has fun running VMSA/vet trials over and over to get some incredibly difficult rng drop just for their PvP build.

iAmLife

dashima wrote: »

Although I think the token system proposed in another thread is better, this isn't a bad idea either and not sure why people are so adamantly against people trying to get BiS gear or lock gear (which is all sadly now going to be BoP) behind veteran content. It's like people don't want other people to complete their builds or something. Not everyone has fun running VMSA/vet trials over and over to get some incredibly difficult rng drop just for their PvP build.

It's exactly that.

DschiPeunt

dashima wrote: »

Although I think the token system proposed in another thread is better, this isn't a bad idea either and not sure why people are so adamantly against people trying to get BiS gear or lock gear (which is all sadly now going to be BoP) behind veteran content. It's like people don't want other people to complete their builds or something. Not everyone has fun running VMSA/vet trials over and over to get some incredibly difficult rng drop just for their PvP build.

This. And I might add: Most of the PvE players I play with, don't enjoy MSA too. I myself am able to complete it (even in one session), but I don't like doing it. This was pointed out, as MSA was just released: a single player arena in an MMO to get the best weapons is bad game design. Just look at the stamina builds (except templar): Without Maelstrom weapons you don't even have to start playing them competitively.
I just don't want to spend hours and hours in there to get a weapon, that I need to be the best for other content (i.e. 12 player trials).

Asardes

Although I didn't like it when I first read it, I have recently come to accept the decision to make all dungeon and trial sets BoP. It's nothing wrong with allowing only the best players to get BiS dropped gear. For improving players. There are some pretty good sets that drop overland, and of course there are the PvP sets awarded during or at the end of campaign, bought with AP or TV, which are BoE. And then there's pretty decent crafted sets as well. And of course the BoP sets from dungeons which are not hard at all to complete. So there's a pretty decent offer for all skill levels.

Ch4mpTW

This thread is about to get interesting, bruh. Lol. Starting to get juicy already.

mb10

Dont think this should ever happen.

Gaining materials to upgrade your weapon takes 20 seconds.
Learning how to play takes a lot longer and therefore, players who have earned it should be rewarded.

DschiPeunt

mb10 wrote: »

Dont think this should ever happen.

Gaining materials to upgrade your weapon takes 20 seconds.
Learning how to play takes a lot longer and therefore, players who have earned it should be rewarded.

So, wouldn't that be a good argument to make the best weapons in the game drop from vMoL hardmode only?