Thoughts on Malestorm weapons in normal mode

iAmLife

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

This thread is about to get interesting, bruh. Lol. Starting to get juicy already.

When do I not please the ESO folks ey? I should be CEO .. #JUSTSAYIN

Bobby_V_Rockit

Argah wrote: »

Sorry for off topic but what is malestorm?

A solo daedric battle arena for elite players that rewards best weapons in the game (making elite players even more elite). But its something for everyone else to reach for

Ch4mpTW

iAmLife wrote: »

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

This thread is about to get interesting, bruh. Lol. Starting to get juicy already.

When do I not please the ESO folks ey? I should be CEO .. #JUSTSAYIN

Asmael

I don't think cp160 version of maelstrom weapons should drop in normal mode ever. Maybe in cp140 versions, but definitely not maxed out, considering how easy it is to upgrade to purple (even gold to some extent if you only focus on having gold weapons).

I think it should be gated behind difficult content (otherwise, what's even the point of doing said content?), but not with the current RNG. If I could make 5-6 vMA runs, and complete my gear on a character, and be done with it, I'd scream "**** yeah", but right now, it feels more like it's 500-600 runs >.>

So, the RNG issue, and also the fact it's solo content. I wouldn't mind a duo version of m'Alestorm arena with the same rewards (minus the crap RNG).

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f55CqLc6IR0

Tommy83

dashima wrote: »

Although I think the token system proposed in another thread is better, this isn't a bad idea either and not sure why people are so adamantly against people trying to get BiS gear or lock gear (which is all sadly now going to be BoP) behind veteran content. It's like people don't want other people to complete their builds or something. Not everyone has fun running VMSA/vet trials over and over to get some incredibly difficult rng drop just for their PvP build.

This.

DschiPeunt wrote: »

...a single player arena in an MMO to get the best weapons is bad game design.

And this.

My opinion:
In normal mode, 50% chance to drop a weapon (with random trait), and in vet mode, 100% chance with possiblity to choose trait.
OR
Token system
OR
Possibility to run vMSA with a friend.

Ch4mpTW

I'm noticing a lot of people keep suggesting the concept of running Maelstrom with another person, and rather than solo... Why? Why can't it be done solo? What's wrong with it? It was designed for solo play, and can be completed solo. It's honestly not that hard. And please don't misunderstand, I'm all for other people getting the Maelstrom weapons that they want. Honestly. In fact, I even push hard for a token system to be implemented. But this 2-manning VMA stuff? Bruh, it's not that serious. Lol. It's really not.

Tyrion87

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Argah wrote: »

Sorry for off topic but what is malestorm?

A solo daedric battle arena for elite players that rewards best weapons in the game (making elite players even more elite). But its something for everyone else to reach for

I wouldn't say that only elite players can complete arena on vet now. Such statement was true a couple of months ago but not now with such variety of builds, sets, guides etc. vMA is for everyone who have decent gear (craftable, not even gold), proper amount of CPs (not CP cap), good build (skills combo/rotation which suits your playstyle the best), some practice (knowledge of mechanics), and the minimum of awareness of what's going on during the fight to be able to react quickly and properly. Arena is frustrating though because of its length and RNG - you can do sth right and still you can fail. But it's definitely doable for a decent, even casual, player.

DschiPeunt

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm noticing a lot of people keep suggesting the concept of running Maelstrom with another person, and rather than solo... Why? Why can't it be done solo? What's wrong with it? It was designed for solo play, and can be completed solo. It's honestly not that hard. And please don't misunderstand, I'm all for other people getting the Maelstrom weapons that they want. Honestly. In fact, I even push hard for a token system to be implemented. But this 2-manning VMA stuff? Bruh, it's not that serious. Lol. It's really not.

This is not about the difficulty, but about the fun. There is already a 4 player arena and changing MSA to a 2 player arena wouldn't be much work I guess. Doing MSA with a buddy would make it much more interesting for a lot of people.

Shader_Shibes

Seriously, nVMA is a joke, it's there, laughably, to learn the mechs without the damage of vet so should not drop bis weapons.

DschiPeunt

Shader_Shibes wrote: »

Seriously, nVMA is a joke, it's there, laughably, to learn the mechs without the damage of vet so should not drop bis weapons.

Ok, then no alkosh/aether/ophidian in normal trials anymore and I am happy.

Danksta

DschiPeunt wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

But the difficulty level of normal trials deserves alkosh/aether/ophidian jewelry to drop?

Normal trials and nVA aren't comparable. Nobody's one-shotting mobs in normal trials...

Ep1kMalware

iAmLife wrote: »

At the moment normal mode is a piece of [snip]... no good rewards you can get out of it... here is just a quick thought, since vet rank drops purple/gold weapons, why not make normal drops only white malestorm weapons which then the player would need to upgrade via materials. Also yes then people would spam their filthy [snip] for a white weapon and get them easy... that's what your thinking right? probably not but I'm still going to cover it ... funny guy...

Make the drop rate quite low so it's not easy to get compared to vet. What do you guys think of this? [snip]

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[Edit to remove bait and censor bypass.]

Honestly, at this point just drop them 50% or better on normal. Even still you're there for 30min vs 60 to get decon trash. If zos wants to waste our time mindnumbingly grinding loot then at least let us waste our time faster. >.>

*** vet mode anymore. If they want me to run vmsa ever again fix the drops pl0x

DschiPeunt

Danksta wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

But the difficulty level of normal trials deserves alkosh/aether/ophidian jewelry to drop?

Normal trials and nVA aren't comparable. Nobody's one-shotting mobs in normal trials...

The reason for this may be that trials are designed for 12 players and MSA is solo content. If you land 12 hits on a normal trial mob, it will probably die too.
It's funny to see, how you come up with arguments, why it is perfectly fine, that these sets drop in normal trials, while arguing, that MSA weapons should only drop in vet mode. Looks like cherry-picking to me.

Danksta

DschiPeunt wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

But the difficulty level of normal trials deserves alkosh/aether/ophidian jewelry to drop?

Normal trials and nVA aren't comparable. Nobody's one-shotting mobs in normal trials...

The reason for this may be that trials are designed for 12 players and MSA is solo content. If you land 12 hits on a normal trial mob, it will probably die too.
It's funny to see, how you come up with arguments, why it is perfectly fine, that these sets drop in normal trials, while arguing, that MSA weapons should only drop in vet mode. Looks like cherry-picking to me.

And it looks like you want Maelstrom weapons without earning them to me. The only good thing nMA is good for is grinding without being interrupted. It's as hard as running through Old Orsinium. Hey, maybe you should get Maelstrom weapons from Old Orsinium. Wouldn't that be awesome! Then we wouldn't need to earn them.

Robbmrp

Then everyone would be farming this exactly like they are Normal AA, SO, HHC and DSA. No one even bothers with the Vet version of those anymore, it's all about the easy gear from those normal quick runs.

Bobby_V_Rockit

Theres that word again! "Earn" and "work for" are pure idiocy. Its a video game!!! I EARNT the contents of the game when I PAID for it!

End communication!

LEGENDARYYY

make it drop cp150.. problem solved

then they get a decent weapon, but if they wanna min max they need to run veteran.

DschiPeunt

Danksta wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

Danksta wrote: »

DschiPeunt wrote: »

juhasman wrote: »

No. Level difficulty of normal MA dont deserve to have even small chance to get malestorm weapon from there. And fact it could be white weapons is hilarious since it cost 1k gold to improve it to purple which drops on vMA.

But the difficulty level of normal trials deserves alkosh/aether/ophidian jewelry to drop?

Normal trials and nVA aren't comparable. Nobody's one-shotting mobs in normal trials...

The reason for this may be that trials are designed for 12 players and MSA is solo content. If you land 12 hits on a normal trial mob, it will probably die too.
It's funny to see, how you come up with arguments, why it is perfectly fine, that these sets drop in normal trials, while arguing, that MSA weapons should only drop in vet mode. Looks like cherry-picking to me.

And it looks like you want Maelstrom weapons without earning them to me. The only good thing nMA is good for is grinding without being interrupted. It's as hard as running through Old Orsinium. Hey, maybe you should get Maelstrom weapons from Old Orsinium. Wouldn't that be awesome! Then we wouldn't need to earn them.

GeneralPardon

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Theres that word again! "Earn" and "work for" are pure idiocy. Its a video game!!! I EARNT the contents of the game when I PAID for it!

End communication!

Nope, you paid for access to the content that might give you these weapons. People need to stop feeling entitled to everything because they paid for the content access. If you want Pay2Win you might want to check out some free to play mmo's.

iAmLife

Bobby_V_Rockit wrote: »

Theres that word again! "Earn" and "work for" are pure idiocy. Its a video game!!! I EARNT the contents of the game when I PAID for it!

End communication!

Hohohoho ... ***.. I see what you did there

Danksta

LEGENDARYYY wrote: »

make it drop cp150.. problem solved

then they get a decent weapon, but if they wanna min max they need to run veteran.

I wouldn't be against this.

DocFrost72

Ch4mpTW wrote: »

I'm noticing a lot of people keep suggesting the concept of running Maelstrom with another person, and rather than solo... Why? Why can't it be done solo? What's wrong with it? It was designed for solo play, and can be completed solo. It's honestly not that hard. And please don't misunderstand, I'm all for other people getting the Maelstrom weapons that they want. Honestly. In fact, I even push hard for a token system to be implemented. But this 2-manning VMA stuff? Bruh, it's not that serious. Lol. It's really not.

My fourth run on my stamplar I got a leaderboard score. Maybe not top ten, but definately a leaderboard score (think it was 439?)

I'm able to do the arena. Even on a bad day I retain some semblance of a vitality bonus (we'll not discuss the run I had last week -_-). Duo Maelstrom is not about making it easier, it is about making it fun.

And of course, there could be seperate leaderboards for duo. Let's assume they go ahead and introduce a 2 person version of the arena. You might be fighting somewhat tougher mobs, sure, but at least now you can laugh and joke and maybe trash talk with someone. You at least have social interaction. Kinda what I wanted when I picked up an MMO, tbh.

If it is seperated, then solo maelstrom junkies can get that thrill and duo maelstrom opens up a new Avenue for those looking at the arena for fun, or to farm.

And, lemme be perfectly honest; One of my buddies would get a swift T-Bag when he inevitably died

iRogue32

Normal MA is an absolute joke. It should not reward BiS weapons. If you want the best weapons in the game, you should have to complete hard content.

DschiPeunt

iRogue32 wrote: »

Normal MA is an absolute joke. It should not reward BiS weapons. If you want the best weapons in the game, you should have to complete the hardest content.

So, you agree, that MSA weapons should be removed from the MSA loot table and only drop in vMoL hardmode. That's good to hear.

Humatiel

The second that vma drops weapons on normal is the second everyone has them and vet is abandoned, unfortunately it wont help players in quite the way they think it will though. If I see a new raider show up for his dps test with these weapons I now expect a 25k+ dd (unbuffed). So when he pulls 15k WITH a vma weapon I am going to go ahead and decline his admission outright instead of giving me a few weeks to work on it (as I normally would without BiS).

What most people dont seem to realize is that this next level of game-play does exist and by allowing the "public" access to this BiS equipment it is just making it easier and easier to expect better right off from them. You want to talk about elitist let me have a stam dk show up with a dagger and an axe and NM/VO for his unbuffed and hit 20k, i'll laugh so hard it will kick me off teamspeak for spamming.

DocFrost72

Humatiel wrote: »

The second that vma drops weapons on normal is the second everyone has them and vet is abandoned, unfortunately it wont help players in quite the way they think it will though. If I see a new raider show up for his dps test with these weapons I now expect a 25k+ dd (unbuffed). So when he pulls 15k WITH a vma weapon I am going to go ahead and decline his admission outright instead of giving me a few weeks to work on it (as I normally would without BiS).

What most people dont seem to realize is that this next level of game-play does exist and by allowing the "public" access to this BiS equipment it is just making it easier and easier to expect better right off from them. You want to talk about elitist let me have a stam dk show up with a dagger and an axe and NM/VO for his unbuffed and hit 20k, i'll laugh so hard it will kick me off teamspeak for spamming.

Except that 20k unbuffed is actually not at all bad DPS for legit anything but HM MoL...

Hell, I've beaten vet maelstrom and I only have 26k unbuffed (assuming you mean no warhorn, spc, etc)

Humatiel

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

The second that vma drops weapons on normal is the second everyone has them and vet is abandoned, unfortunately it wont help players in quite the way they think it will though. If I see a new raider show up for his dps test with these weapons I now expect a 25k+ dd (unbuffed). So when he pulls 15k WITH a vma weapon I am going to go ahead and decline his admission outright instead of giving me a few weeks to work on it (as I normally would without BiS).

What most people dont seem to realize is that this next level of game-play does exist and by allowing the "public" access to this BiS equipment it is just making it easier and easier to expect better right off from them. You want to talk about elitist let me have a stam dk show up with a dagger and an axe and NM/VO for his unbuffed and hit 20k, i'll laugh so hard it will kick me off teamspeak for spamming.

Except that 20k unbuffed is actually not at all bad DPS for legit anything but HM MoL...

Hell, I've beaten vet maelstrom and I only have 26k unbuffed (assuming you mean no warhorn, spc, etc)

20k unbuffed on a stationary target over a 60s fight with a vma weapon can be broken fingered by anyone that is told the rotation 10 minutes before. Keep in mind that 20k unbuffed is enough to clear all the vet trials (minus mol) without an issue, but the vet trials on HM is a different story. Moving / rezzing / mechanics etc that dps will drop considerably and from a purely mathematical standpoint you will not clear AA HM with each dps doing ~15k unbuffed (taking into account moving).

DocFrost72

Humatiel wrote: »

DocFrost72 wrote: »

Humatiel wrote: »

The second that vma drops weapons on normal is the second everyone has them and vet is abandoned, unfortunately it wont help players in quite the way they think it will though. If I see a new raider show up for his dps test with these weapons I now expect a 25k+ dd (unbuffed). So when he pulls 15k WITH a vma weapon I am going to go ahead and decline his admission outright instead of giving me a few weeks to work on it (as I normally would without BiS).

What most people dont seem to realize is that this next level of game-play does exist and by allowing the "public" access to this BiS equipment it is just making it easier and easier to expect better right off from them. You want to talk about elitist let me have a stam dk show up with a dagger and an axe and NM/VO for his unbuffed and hit 20k, i'll laugh so hard it will kick me off teamspeak for spamming.

Except that 20k unbuffed is actually not at all bad DPS for legit anything but HM MoL...

Hell, I've beaten vet maelstrom and I only have 26k unbuffed (assuming you mean no warhorn, spc, etc)

20k unbuffed on a stationary target over a 60s fight with a vma weapon can be broken fingered by anyone that is told the rotation 10 minutes before. Keep in mind that 20k unbuffed is enough to clear all the vet trials (minus mol) without an issue, but the vet trials on HM is a different story. Moving / rezzing / mechanics etc that dps will drop considerably and from a purely mathematical standpoint you will not clear AA HM with each dps doing ~15k unbuffed (taking into account moving).

Which imo, is why you have a core/premiere/elite team. I get that you want competance from your guild mates, totally fine and dandy. Training n00bs is part of the game, and as long as someone is willing to learn there is no real reason to kick them. Especially since I doubt one 500 person guild would have every single slot filled with a person that can perform in the way you're discussing. I know for sure I cannot.

Just saw a glimpse of "high dps or gtfo" in the post and thought I'd make sure

flawless4812

I think they need to up the difficulty of normal VMA.

The reason people can't do vet is, it's a whole new monster compared to normal.

Make the transition a little more smoother maybe putting in a third difficulty (medium) idk but you can't have that type of jump nd expect players to understand the mechanics.

Don't nerf vet don't hand out weapons on normal but allow us to learn alot better then the rough death after death till you understand the mechanics good.

Qbiken

OP, how many times have you actually completed vMSA? Be honest:)