What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nimander99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

I was wondering if housing & decoration would become part of crown store since RNG boxes were announced, now I got my answer.

http://elderscrolls.net/2016/09/02/17765-tes-online-budushhee-kronnogo-magazina-patch-2-6-0/

So it is probably safe to assume there will be limited time decoration offers, which will be included in RNG boxes as well..

Anyone notice the "Portable Banker Premium" and "Portable Merchant Premium"? Want to bet whoever gets these will be able to get guild banks/stores and the merchant will repair?

If the mounts are offered for outright sale, it might not be bad. People can decide what they want and whether the item is worth it. But the rngesus crates? Oh yeah, right. 400 crowns. Cheaper if you spend more though and get the 15 crate bundle....

Yeah this is heading down a path I don't think I want to be on.

Actually, that was my first thought as well but apparently these 'premium' guys will allow party members to use them. Yeah, that's it, party member use = 5000 crowns to buy the same guys but you get to share! 6 months later they will release the uber premium which will be all of the above plus repair and guild store for a small down payment of 10k Crowns financed annually for an addition 2000 crown tax.

The current banker/merchant assistants that cost 5000 crowns can be used by your party. That "can be used by your party" is already available. If this is "Premium", then its gonna be more than just usable by your party.

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

I was wondering if housing & decoration would become part of crown store since RNG boxes were announced, now I got my answer.

http://elderscrolls.net/2016/09/02/17765-tes-online-budushhee-kronnogo-magazina-patch-2-6-0/

So it is probably safe to assume there will be limited time decoration offers, which will be included in RNG boxes as well..

Anyone notice the "Portable Banker Premium" and "Portable Merchant Premium"? Want to bet whoever gets these will be able to get guild banks/stores and the merchant will repair?

If the mounts are offered for outright sale, it might not be bad. People can decide what they want and whether the item is worth it. But the rngesus crates? Oh yeah, right. 400 crowns. Cheaper if you spend more though and get the 15 crate bundle....

Yeah this is heading down a path I don't think I want to be on.

Actually, that was my first thought as well but apparently these 'premium' guys will allow party members to use them. Yeah, that's it, party member use = 5000 crowns to buy the same guys but you get to share! 6 months later they will release the uber premium which will be all of the above plus repair and guild store for a small down payment of 10k Crowns financed annually for an addition 2000 crown tax.

But party members can use the existing ones already.
I'm thinking it can be just a labeling error and they are just the same merchant and banker but with a different look.

I would like to think it was a labeling error. Or they decided that the banker shouldn't be a dunmer. But, I don't really believe that. I think its going farther down that slope. Or maybe they know that the dueling in towns will make slideshows, so hey! buy the banker and merchant and don't worry about needing to go to town for the bank and to buy items from the npc merchant.....

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

JKorr wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

I was wondering if housing & decoration would become part of crown store since RNG boxes were announced, now I got my answer.

http://elderscrolls.net/2016/09/02/17765-tes-online-budushhee-kronnogo-magazina-patch-2-6-0/

So it is probably safe to assume there will be limited time decoration offers, which will be included in RNG boxes as well..

Anyone notice the "Portable Banker Premium" and "Portable Merchant Premium"? Want to bet whoever gets these will be able to get guild banks/stores and the merchant will repair?

If the mounts are offered for outright sale, it might not be bad. People can decide what they want and whether the item is worth it. But the rngesus crates? Oh yeah, right. 400 crowns. Cheaper if you spend more though and get the 15 crate bundle....

Yeah this is heading down a path I don't think I want to be on.

Actually, that was my first thought as well but apparently these 'premium' guys will allow party members to use them. Yeah, that's it, party member use = 5000 crowns to buy the same guys but you get to share! 6 months later they will release the uber premium which will be all of the above plus repair and guild store for a small down payment of 10k Crowns financed annually for an addition 2000 crown tax.

But party members can use the existing ones already.
I'm thinking it can be just a labeling error and they are just the same merchant and banker but with a different look.

I would like to think it was a labeling error. Or they decided that the banker shouldn't be a dunmer. But, I don't really believe that. I think its going farther down that slope. Or maybe they know that the dueling in towns will make slideshows, so hey! buy the banker and merchant and don't worry about needing to go to town for the bank and to buy items from the npc merchant.....

It is just some wishful thinking.
I still hope that ZOS is just adding options regarding the appearance of the assistants. There are people who are going to pay for their assistants to look a certain way for sure. There was a thread a while ago on the Crown Store part of the forum about letting us use appearance tokens on the assistants to make them different, so there is certainly a market for different assistants.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

I was wondering if housing & decoration would become part of crown store since RNG boxes were announced, now I got my answer.

http://elderscrolls.net/2016/09/02/17765-tes-online-budushhee-kronnogo-magazina-patch-2-6-0/

So it is probably safe to assume there will be limited time decoration offers, which will be included in RNG boxes as well..

Anyone notice the "Portable Banker Premium" and "Portable Merchant Premium"? Want to bet whoever gets these will be able to get guild banks/stores and the merchant will repair?

If the mounts are offered for outright sale, it might not be bad. People can decide what they want and whether the item is worth it. But the rngesus crates? Oh yeah, right. 400 crowns. Cheaper if you spend more though and get the 15 crate bundle....

Yeah this is heading down a path I don't think I want to be on.

Actually, that was my first thought as well but apparently these 'premium' guys will allow party members to use them. Yeah, that's it, party member use = 5000 crowns to buy the same guys but you get to share! 6 months later they will release the uber premium which will be all of the above plus repair and guild store for a small down payment of 10k Crowns financed annually for an addition 2000 crown tax.

But party members can use the existing ones already.
I'm thinking it can be just a labeling error and they are just the same merchant and banker but with a different look.

I would like to think it was a labeling error. Or they decided that the banker shouldn't be a dunmer. But, I don't really believe that. I think its going farther down that slope. Or maybe they know that the dueling in towns will make slideshows, so hey! buy the banker and merchant and don't worry about needing to go to town for the bank and to buy items from the npc merchant.....

It is just some wishful thinking.
I still hope that ZOS is just adding options regarding the appearance of the assistants. There are people who are going to pay for their assistants to look a certain way for sure. There was a thread a while ago on the Crown Store part of the forum about letting us use appearance tokens on the assistants to make them different, so there is certainly a market for different assistants.

Its possible they will add differant types of assistants. I imagine different looking ones in the crown store.
I would like to see a vampire thrall assistant that you can feed on without risk of getting a bounty.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

MBite wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

By the way, yay, 98 pages. Maybe we'll finally get some dev input, or hit the 100 page mark.

They called us "concerned", no way they will comment or answer in this thread.

What I think they will do. First, repeat same 4 sentences that we already know for months. Release the crownboxes. Start putting more exclusives. Create more types of crownboxes. Slowly remove ability to buy directly items in crown store. And finally we can say BYE to all cosmetic items cause they will be behind RNG paywall.

To be honest, if I was a company I would too put everything in crownboxes. Just look at Valve, their boxes are selling like hot bread.

Oh I know. These boxes make tons of money for every game that has them, and eventually the "whales" end up providing more income than a regular sub ever could. But that doesn't mean I have to like it. *sigh* This is the only MMO that I still regularly play, and primarily because I was both an Elder Scrolls fan (been playing since Daggerfall) and also because it was nowhere near as blatant with its cash-grabbery as certain other games (The Old Republic, for example).

So, no, I'm not surprised that the suits at ZOS were all like "Hey, this is guaranteed to make us more money! Let's do it!" The devs could have chosen otherwise, perhaps could have made a statement... but even then, we all know how their "We will always be a sub-based game" statement from release went.

Well, they had to drop the sub mainly because of consoles going the subscribe or you don't get to play method. I do think the crownstore was always planned from the beginning to be added at some point down the road if they did have to drop the sub model. Of course some things can be very pricy in the crown store but compared to other companies they are not nearly as greedy. Hell they even gave away a million dollars to a player. This player was on xbox version, but he got very lucky.

So yeah I do think the rng boxes are going to be added in order for them to make more money. But I do know they do care about their game in some form. Unlike other devs in other gaming companies . These devs do play other games I think. Some possibly play on alt accounts. I do think some of the devs do play this to roleplay as well but I don't have any idea what they do or do not do so I am just guessing.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

I was wondering if housing & decoration would become part of crown store since RNG boxes were announced, now I got my answer.

http://elderscrolls.net/2016/09/02/17765-tes-online-budushhee-kronnogo-magazina-patch-2-6-0/

So it is probably safe to assume there will be limited time decoration offers, which will be included in RNG boxes as well..

Anyone notice the "Portable Banker Premium" and "Portable Merchant Premium"? Want to bet whoever gets these will be able to get guild banks/stores and the merchant will repair?

If the mounts are offered for outright sale, it might not be bad. People can decide what they want and whether the item is worth it. But the rngesus crates? Oh yeah, right. 400 crowns. Cheaper if you spend more though and get the 15 crate bundle....

Yeah this is heading down a path I don't think I want to be on.

Actually, that was my first thought as well but apparently these 'premium' guys will allow party members to use them. Yeah, that's it, party member use = 5000 crowns to buy the same guys but you get to share! 6 months later they will release the uber premium which will be all of the above plus repair and guild store for a small down payment of 10k Crowns financed annually for an addition 2000 crown tax.

But party members can use the existing ones already.
I'm thinking it can be just a labeling error and they are just the same merchant and banker but with a different look.

I would like to think it was a labeling error. Or they decided that the banker shouldn't be a dunmer. But, I don't really believe that. I think its going farther down that slope. Or maybe they know that the dueling in towns will make slideshows, so hey! buy the banker and merchant and don't worry about needing to go to town for the bank and to buy items from the npc merchant.....

It is just some wishful thinking.
I still hope that ZOS is just adding options regarding the appearance of the assistants. There are people who are going to pay for their assistants to look a certain way for sure. There was a thread a while ago on the Crown Store part of the forum about letting us use appearance tokens on the assistants to make them different, so there is certainly a market for different assistants.

Maybe.. but it's the "premium" in that label that worries me. 5000 crowns is already considered a ridiculous price by most, and these bankers and merchants seem to be exactly the same (in every way except appearance) than the 5000 crown ones already on offer, and it is a merchant that doesn't offer repairs (the main reason people go to merchants other than selling junk), and a banker that offers no access to the guild bank or stores. Where is the "premium" coming from?

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

JKorr wrote: »

arasysb14_ESO wrote: »

I was wondering if housing & decoration would become part of crown store since RNG boxes were announced, now I got my answer.

http://elderscrolls.net/2016/09/02/17765-tes-online-budushhee-kronnogo-magazina-patch-2-6-0/

So it is probably safe to assume there will be limited time decoration offers, which will be included in RNG boxes as well..

Anyone notice the "Portable Banker Premium" and "Portable Merchant Premium"? Want to bet whoever gets these will be able to get guild banks/stores and the merchant will repair?

If the mounts are offered for outright sale, it might not be bad. People can decide what they want and whether the item is worth it. But the rngesus crates? Oh yeah, right. 400 crowns. Cheaper if you spend more though and get the 15 crate bundle....

Yeah this is heading down a path I don't think I want to be on.

Actually, that was my first thought as well but apparently these 'premium' guys will allow party members to use them. Yeah, that's it, party member use = 5000 crowns to buy the same guys but you get to share! 6 months later they will release the uber premium which will be all of the above plus repair and guild store for a small down payment of 10k Crowns financed annually for an addition 2000 crown tax.

But party members can use the existing ones already.
I'm thinking it can be just a labeling error and they are just the same merchant and banker but with a different look.

I would like to think it was a labeling error. Or they decided that the banker shouldn't be a dunmer. But, I don't really believe that. I think its going farther down that slope. Or maybe they know that the dueling in towns will make slideshows, so hey! buy the banker and merchant and don't worry about needing to go to town for the bank and to buy items from the npc merchant.....

It is just some wishful thinking.
I still hope that ZOS is just adding options regarding the appearance of the assistants. There are people who are going to pay for their assistants to look a certain way for sure. There was a thread a while ago on the Crown Store part of the forum about letting us use appearance tokens on the assistants to make them different, so there is certainly a market for different assistants.

Maybe.. but it's the "premium" in that label that worries me. 5000 crowns is already considered a ridiculous price by most, and these bankers and merchants seem to be exactly the same (in every way except appearance) than the 5000 crown ones already on offer, and it is a merchant that doesn't offer repairs (the main reason people go to merchants other than selling junk), and a banker that offers no access to the guild bank or stores. Where is the "premium" coming from?

My guess the premium might have the repair and guild bank and guild store options. They might lower the price on the original banker and merchant assistant if they add them. Main reason is because people are just not buying the ones they put in. Or they could be a more expensive type of merchant that basically is a reward for those subscribers that saved their crowns. Possibly for a 1,0000 crown cost. But yeah its possible they will be added for a sub perk thing possibly as well. We won't know until they tell us or they add them in.

TheValkyn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The only problem with boxes is that it takes advantage of the consumer and time gets spent on creating Crown Store items instead of actual content.

Both are unforgivable for a non-f2p game. This is the kind of tactics that EA and all those mobile free apps use to bait consumers. It's great for making money off of whales but it puts you in the same conversation as EA which is an insult to all things gaming related.

You're better than this ZOS and your game is good. It doesn't deserve this treatment to garner that reputation. Sure, it has it's flaws and quite a few of them but this should not be one of them.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

TheValkyn wrote: »

The only problem with boxes is that it takes advantage of the consumer and time gets spent on creating Crown Store items instead of actual content.

Both are unforgivable for a non-f2p game. This is the kind of tactics that EA and all those mobile free apps use to bait consumers. It's great for making money off of whales but it puts you in the same conversation as EA which is an insult to all things gaming related.

You're better than this ZOS and your game is good. It doesn't deserve this treatment to garner that reputation. Sure, it has it's flaws and quite a few of them but this should not be one of them.

From all the datamined crownstore costumes mounts and pets that has been shown they have all that possibly made already. They have a lot of mounts they are possibly going to add over time as well. So basically they still have a lot of stuff they have to release.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

[Edit to remove profanity]

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

IM sorry they ARE NOT a good company.. sure theres worse out there but this is purely a simple cash grab off there own failings as a company which is wrong and disgusting!! a good company charges a sub offers a solid bug free game sure add stuff cosmetic wise at a sensable cost using it ( along with sub ) to devlop constant and decent updates/dlc with heaps and heaps of gear items etc.... Ive had ppl spin me BS about they couldnt charge a sub with xbox live and PSN do the math how many players only play games that DONT REQUIRE live or psn.. A good company doesnt pray on whales and idoits to make money a GOOD company offers a SOLID GAME AT A FAIR PRICE and the revenue will flow!!

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

snakester320 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

IM sorry they ARE NOT a good company.. sure theres worse out there but this is purely a simple cash grab off there own failings as a company which is wrong and disgusting!! a good company charges a sub offers a solid bug free game sure add stuff cosmetic wise at a sensable cost using it ( along with sub ) to devlop constant and decent updates/dlc with heaps and heaps of gear items etc.... Ive had ppl spin me BS about they couldnt charge a sub with xbox live and PSN do the math how many players only play games that DONT REQUIRE live or psn.. A good company doesnt pray on whales and idoits to make money a GOOD company offers a SOLID GAME AT A FAIR PRICE and the revenue will flow!!

Its not a true zenimax/bethesda game without bugs but they have done the best they could with fixing the bugs. Its a process not that easy but they have fixed the bugs they could into major updates of course new bugs are created but thats how games work. All they can do is patch things up and make sure it does not get broken. Zenimax has done a lot of good and improved this game. They are a good company compared to others. Plus its people like Gina and a few others are good people that care about the game. Now they are not perfect they got some flaws. But what company doesn't? Every game has its pros and cons.

Esquire1980g_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

bullsh.t it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there sh.t at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

I totally understand what your trying to say. But which is worse? The company who comes up with the idea, gains the rep of the entire industry (it's no secret how people feel about PW/Cryptic games) who tried the deal 1st, watched their playerbase drop to nothing numbers, even comments on the fact that PVP died in their game in their own forums, and then raises the prices of their micro-transactions to keep their servers up on the back of the few "whales" left.........., or the company that sees all of this, learns what happened when such is done, and copies the process right up to the statements made about how "pure" this system is going to be, and after all this knowledge gained, does it anyway?

jeevin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

I agree with others here. A "GOOD" company does not try to fleece customers/players with these RNG type transactions. There are no good intentions there, just greed and lack of morals.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

bullsh.t it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there sh.t at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

I totally understand what your trying to say. But which is worse? The company who comes up with the idea, gains the rep of the entire industry (it's no secret how people feel about PW/Cryptic games) who tried the deal 1st, watched their playerbase drop to nothing numbers, even comments on the fact that PVP died in their game in their own forums, and then raises the prices of their micro-transactions to keep their servers up on the back of the few "whales" left.........., or the company that sees all of this, learns what happened when such is done, and copies the process right up to the statements made about how "pure" this system is going to be, and after all this knowledge gained, does it anyway?

Well, Zenimax I am sure knows they can't do what they did, or what other companies have done. They know how much distrust people have with rngboxes/lockboxes. Its possibly why they held back on releasing them. I think they were going to add them this month but desided to wait till November. I would not be surprised if they changed their minds but I don't think they will. Its possible they will try not to rely on the rng boxes. They are just wanting some of the profits from such a system but I don't think they will go full blown gamble box. At least thats the hope.
I do think its a bad idea I would rather have a weekly rotation of the items in the crown store. Its something they could do. I think a lot more people would prefer to have that instead.

Wow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I don't want these grab bag in ESO, no please nooo

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Wow wrote: »

I don't want these grab bag in ESO, no please nooo

I don't want them either. I am hoping they also don't sell housing funiture in crown store. But its data mined to be crown store items

ItsGlaive

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

bullsh.t it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there sh.t at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

Actually this move puts them about on par with Cryptic and PWE in terms of shady money making practices and a complete lack of respect for their playerbase.

petraeus1

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Linking two columns from MMORPG.com - first by an editor who is saying gamers should not complain about lootboxes, the other by another editor who is saying lootboxes are never good! Both give a pretty concise pro and contra and have some interesting comments underneath them:

Five Things MMO Gamers Should Stop Complaining About (MMORPG.com, column by William Murphy)

Lootboxes Are Never a Good Thing (MMORPG.com, column by Lewis Burnell)

Edit: there is also a lot of crap comments underneath them, especially underneath the first column as you can imagine. Read at your own risk.

catsgomeow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

This is about when i start to stop investing money in a game.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Xabien wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

Actually this move puts them about on par with Cryptic and PWE in terms of shady money making practices and a complete lack of respect for their playerbase.

Well, hopefully they are not doing this to be shady they are after all a busniess so expect them to do what they have to for the money but they are still much better then cryptic. Hopefully they won't get into this whole rng box thing and drive off the player base. I know its possibly going to hurt the player base because people will leave when they add it. Lets hope its not Zenimaxs big mistake.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

IM sorry they ARE NOT a good company.. sure theres worse out there but this is purely a simple cash grab off there own failings as a company which is wrong and disgusting!! a good company charges a sub offers a solid bug free game sure add stuff cosmetic wise at a sensable cost using it ( along with sub ) to devlop constant and decent updates/dlc with heaps and heaps of gear items etc.... Ive had ppl spin me BS about they couldnt charge a sub with xbox live and PSN do the math how many players only play games that DONT REQUIRE live or psn.. A good company doesnt pray on whales and idoits to make money a GOOD company offers a SOLID GAME AT A FAIR PRICE and the revenue will flow!!

Its not a true zenimax/bethesda game without bugs but they have done the best they could with fixing the bugs. Its a process not that easy but they have fixed the bugs they could into major updates of course new bugs are created but thats how games work. All they can do is patch things up and make sure it does not get broken. Zenimax has done a lot of good and improved this game. They are a good company compared to others. Plus its people like Gina and a few others are good people that care about the game. Now they are not perfect they got some flaws. But what company doesn't? Every game has its pros and cons.

I can agree to a point but the reson there doing these lock boxes is a CASH GRAB thats of there own doing i played this game prob 8-9 months ago it was a mess a absoulute disgusting mess .. so i left i came back part bordom part to see if things had changed that was close to 3 months ago i played for a week and then it was back to a mess again lagg double loading bugs glitches throw in 5-6 hour maint every week and nothing got fixed this went on for well over a month for a modern mmo thats unaceptable and pathetic!! FFXIV ARR gets bugs the server is shut down and fixed in a manner of hours not FN months thats another reason they cant charge manditory sub NOBODY WOULD PAY IT... I dont call that DOING THERE BEST and now because alot of ppl a fed up with there bullsh.t there struggling to make cash and introducing more inventive ways to scrape more money out of whats left of the community .. THATS NOT A GOOD COMPANY!! .... QUESTION still remains to ZOS why are they not putting these items in the crown store ??? ......... And making us gamble on them???

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

catsgomeow wrote: »

This is about when i start to stop investing money in a game.

Yeah hopefully it does not get to that point :O. But their will still always be people willing to invest.
Hopefully no one loses their houses over the rng boxes. Lets not give the exesive gamblers something that will clean them of their money.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

snakester320 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

bullsh.t it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there sh.t at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

IM sorry they ARE NOT a good company.. sure theres worse out there but this is purely a simple cash grab off there own failings as a company which is wrong and disgusting!! a good company charges a sub offers a solid bug free game sure add stuff cosmetic wise at a sensable cost using it ( along with sub ) to devlop constant and decent updates/dlc with heaps and heaps of gear items etc.... Ive had ppl spin me BS about they couldnt charge a sub with xbox live and PSN do the math how many players only play games that DONT REQUIRE live or psn.. A good company doesnt pray on whales and idoits to make money a GOOD company offers a SOLID GAME AT A FAIR PRICE and the revenue will flow!!

Its not a true zenimax/bethesda game without bugs but they have done the best they could with fixing the bugs. Its a process not that easy but they have fixed the bugs they could into major updates of course new bugs are created but thats how games work. All they can do is patch things up and make sure it does not get broken. Zenimax has done a lot of good and improved this game. They are a good company compared to others. Plus its people like Gina and a few others are good people that care about the game. Now they are not perfect they got some flaws. But what company doesn't? Every game has its pros and cons.

I can agree to a point but the reson there doing these lock boxes is a CASH GRAB thats of there own doing i played this game prob 8-9 months ago it was a mess a absoulute disgusting mess .. so i left i came back part bordom part to see if things had changed that was close to 3 months ago i played for a week and then it was back to a mess again lagg double loading bugs glitches throw in 5-6 hour maint every week and nothing got fixed this went on for well over a month for a modern mmo thats unaceptable and pathetic!! FFXIV ARR gets bugs the server is shut down and fixed in a manner of hours not FN months thats another reason they cant charge manditory sub NOBODY WOULD PAY IT... I dont call that DOING THERE BEST and now because alot of ppl a fed up with there bullsh.t there struggling to make cash and introducing more inventive ways to scrape more money out of whats left of the community .. THATS NOT A GOOD COMPANY!!

Well, this is still a good mmo, they might not make as much money as they want. But the lag problems a lot of it has to do with the computer set up they have. This game does need a lot of memory or ram to run proper plus it requires dx11. I am thinking with one tamerial it will help out with the lag. I don't expect it to be as bad. Some have even mentioned the lag has not been as bad as it use to be in eso. So they have done some things to improve the game. But once they remove a lot of the extra zones they don't need anymore. Would not be as straining on the server, and it would improve performance.
They are basically getting rid of the old cadwell silver and old one through fifty zones moving us all to one version of a zone that will create more instances if they need to. This will improve performance and possibly the main reason they are doing this. Its the only way they could get enough room for the housing and other dlcs. I know for a while the game performance will improve with one tamerial until they add the housing which might make the performance back to the way it is.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

snakester320 wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

IM sorry they ARE NOT a good company.. sure theres worse out there but this is purely a simple cash grab off there own failings as a company which is wrong and disgusting!! a good company charges a sub offers a solid bug free game sure add stuff cosmetic wise at a sensable cost using it ( along with sub ) to devlop constant and decent updates/dlc with heaps and heaps of gear items etc.... Ive had ppl spin me BS about they couldnt charge a sub with xbox live and PSN do the math how many players only play games that DONT REQUIRE live or psn.. A good company doesnt pray on whales and idoits to make money a GOOD company offers a SOLID GAME AT A FAIR PRICE and the revenue will flow!!

Its not a true zenimax/bethesda game without bugs but they have done the best they could with fixing the bugs. Its a process not that easy but they have fixed the bugs they could into major updates of course new bugs are created but thats how games work. All they can do is patch things up and make sure it does not get broken. Zenimax has done a lot of good and improved this game. They are a good company compared to others. Plus its people like Gina and a few others are good people that care about the game. Now they are not perfect they got some flaws. But what company doesn't? Every game has its pros and cons.

I can agree to a point but the reson there doing these lock boxes is a CASH GRAB thats of there own doing i played this game prob 8-9 months ago it was a mess a absoulute disgusting mess .. so i left i came back part bordom part to see if things had changed that was close to 3 months ago i played for a week and then it was back to a mess again lagg double loading bugs glitches throw in 5-6 hour maint every week and nothing got fixed this went on for well over a month for a modern mmo thats unaceptable and pathetic!! FFXIV ARR gets bugs the server is shut down and fixed in a manner of hours not FN months thats another reason they cant charge manditory sub NOBODY WOULD PAY IT... I dont call that DOING THERE BEST and now because alot of ppl a fed up with there bullsh.t there struggling to make cash and introducing more inventive ways to scrape more money out of whats left of the community .. THATS NOT A GOOD COMPANY!!

Well, this is still a good mmo, they might not make as much money as they want. But the lag problems a lot of it has to do with the computer set up they have. This game does need a lot of memory or ram to run proper plus it requires dx11. I am thinking with one tamerial it will help out with the lag. I don't expect it to be as bad. Some have even mentioned the lag has not been as bad as it use to be in eso. So they have done some things to improve the game. But once they remove a lot of the extra zones they don't need anymore. Would not be as straining on the server, and it would improve performance.
They are basically getting rid of the old cadwell silver and old one through fifty zones moving us all to one version of a zone that will create more instances if they need to. This will improve performance and possibly the main reason they are doing this. Its the only way they could get enough room for the housing and other dlcs. I know for a while the game performance will improve with one tamerial until they add the housing which might make the performance back to the way it is.

Game is kinda fun if you can put up with the issues that take FOREVER to get fixed.. There clearly going to TRY to make as much money as they want simple fact is there pushing forward with this idea of lockboxes when that doesnt make them money whats next GEAR in boxes .. ( NEVER SAY NEVER ) I do remeber reading where these lock boxes were NEVER going to happen also !! sorry but very quickly this direction is going to lose more and more players over time then the game becomes a sh.tty mmo with a greedy company from a so called good mmo!!

Wow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

look at this, let's hope Crown Crates costume wont turn like this.


Sure they said cosmetics + consumables only, and no plans for pay to win stuffs. But their plans could change if they feel like it.

If they serious about never go Pay to win route, they wouldn't even consider RNG boxes at the first place

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I don't think they will, mainly because they basically allow them to be usable by both genders. You see male orcs in wedding dresses and sometimes male charaters in dresses. So basically you won't have to worry about one gender only costumes. Because they will make them for both genders like they have been doing.

I personally hope they add all the costumes into the crownstore even keeping the limited system then transfering the limited crownstore items to the boxes. I hope they give players the chance to get them first without the gamble. It would make them more money if they did this and it would basically help keep them from getting to greedy.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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Thevampirenight wrote: »

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Xabien wrote: »

If I go into a restaurant and order a meal, I expect the meal I wanted. If the restaurant started selling me tickets which gave me the chance at the meal I wanted, or alternatively lots of things I didn't want, then I'm not going to eat there.

No. It is like going into a restaurant and seeing really really good food on the menu. Food you want. However, you have to buy a meal package for a really low price that gives you bread and water every time, but you have a chance of getting a better meal.

Xabien wrote: »

Honestly I don't think ESO is struggling for cash, I just think the investors and powers-that-be are getting greedy and want to see bigger profits, but if I'm wrong, maybe it's better to shutter a game if it can't support itself through honest means rather than wiping away any goodwill that's left? At this point all of these shady practices come at the expense of the Elder Scrolls and developer brands.

Ultimately, I think these boxes will serve the purpose of separating the performance and features of the game from revenue.

The devs made a fleeting reference to critical comments about them, which probably includes stuff I have said, but the fact of the matter is that the production of the game has been average. They have missed obvious opportunities to address high profile issues with systems, while still developing the systems. It costs more to go back into those systems and refactor them than it does to do it the first time. Sometimes, it feels like they stop working on something one or two iterations too early. For a studio that already works at a relatively slow pace, this just compounds the problem and makes it harder to deliver a top quality experience that will drive revenue.

The gamble boxes only require cosmetic items, and if people buy these up, it takes the pressure off the game designers to drive revenue.

[Snip] it takes presure off game designers to drive renvenue ... Its CASH GRAB praying on whales and idoits alike THATS ALL IT IS ... ZOS still cant answer ( TO FN SCARED TO ) the question why not stick these rare/ old items back in the crowns store at a fixed price...EVERYONE KNOWS WHY.. not enough money in it !!! maybe they should have offered a stable game for the last 2-3 months not a POS full of BUGS AND SO MANY ISSUES ... SO sure state the obvious that game companys need money for development all you want BUT now because there losing it and clearly customers they want ppl to gamble more money on there [Snip] at a PATHETIC atempt to make revenue LMFAO good luck!!....... watch the slope its pointing down!!

Well, they did give that million dollors away they have to give him at least 50k something a year, plus they have other things that do cost money I am guessing one tamerial is not cheap so basically, it could be they are trying to get more money. But Zenimax is a good company. its not perfect but still a much better company then cryptic.

IM sorry they ARE NOT a good company.. sure theres worse out there but this is purely a simple cash grab off there own failings as a company which is wrong and disgusting!! a good company charges a sub offers a solid bug free game sure add stuff cosmetic wise at a sensable cost using it ( along with sub ) to devlop constant and decent updates/dlc with heaps and heaps of gear items etc.... Ive had ppl spin me BS about they couldnt charge a sub with xbox live and PSN do the math how many players only play games that DONT REQUIRE live or psn.. A good company doesnt pray on whales and idoits to make money a GOOD company offers a SOLID GAME AT A FAIR PRICE and the revenue will flow!!

Its not a true zenimax/bethesda game without bugs but they have done the best they could with fixing the bugs. Its a process not that easy but they have fixed the bugs they could into major updates of course new bugs are created but thats how games work. All they can do is patch things up and make sure it does not get broken. Zenimax has done a lot of good and improved this game. They are a good company compared to others. Plus its people like Gina and a few others are good people that care about the game. Now they are not perfect they got some flaws. But what company doesn't? Every game has its pros and cons.

I can agree to a point but the reson there doing these lock boxes is a CASH GRAB thats of there own doing i played this game prob 8-9 months ago it was a mess a absoulute disgusting mess .. so i left i came back part bordom part to see if things had changed that was close to 3 months ago i played for a week and then it was back to a mess again lagg double loading bugs glitches throw in 5-6 hour maint every week and nothing got fixed this went on for well over a month for a modern mmo thats unaceptable and pathetic!! FFXIV ARR gets bugs the server is shut down and fixed in a manner of hours not FN months thats another reason they cant charge manditory sub NOBODY WOULD PAY IT... I dont call that DOING THERE BEST and now because alot of ppl a fed up with there bullsh.t there struggling to make cash and introducing more inventive ways to scrape more money out of whats left of the community .. THATS NOT A GOOD COMPANY!!

Well, this is still a good mmo, they might not make as much money as they want. But the lag problems a lot of it has to do with the computer set up they have. This game does need a lot of memory or ram to run proper plus it requires dx11. I am thinking with one tamerial it will help out with the lag. I don't expect it to be as bad. Some have even mentioned the lag has not been as bad as it use to be in eso. So they have done some things to improve the game. But once they remove a lot of the extra zones they don't need anymore. Would not be as straining on the server, and it would improve performance.
They are basically getting rid of the old cadwell silver and old one through fifty zones moving us all to one version of a zone that will create more instances if they need to. This will improve performance and possibly the main reason they are doing this. Its the only way they could get enough room for the housing and other dlcs. I know for a while the game performance will improve with one tamerial until they add the housing which might make the performance back to the way it is.

Game is kinda fun if you can put up with the issues that take FOREVER to get fixed.. There clearly going to TRY to make as much money as they want simple fact is there pushing forward with this idea of lockboxes when that doesnt make them money whats next GEAR in boxes .. ( NEVER SAY NEVER ) I do remeber reading where these lock boxes were NEVER going to happen also !! sorry but very quickly this direction is going to lose more and more players over time then the game becomes a sh.tty mmo with a greedy company from a so called good mmo!!

Well they are basically rng crown crate boxes they are not lockboxes because they don't require a key for them like other mmos do it. So you can just open the box but the differance is you have to buy the boxes. I imagine they will add a lot into the bundle that will be like 2500 crowns maybe for 25 of them. Or 400 crowns for just a single. That way to entice people to buy them.

Wow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@Thevampirenight nooo not the gender lock, i mean those Stats being slapped on Costume,