What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Iselin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

I found a good read about lockboxes in an article by Justin Olivetti, senior reporter at Massively, from just 4 short years ago.

A quote:

"Lockboxes cheapen any MMO in which they appear.

People care deeply about their MMOs, sometimes to the point of silliness, but the emotion is genuine. The games we love we want to see succeed, thrive, and live for a long time. What we don't generally want is for someone with a polyester sports coat, pinkie rings, and greased-back hair stomping into our beloved playgrounds and "classing up the joint" by throwing slot machines everywhere.

Lockboxes are tacky. There, I said it."

https://www.engadget.com/2012/05/17/the-perfect-ten-the-truth-about-lockboxes/

Man, I miss Massively. And not just because they were probably the source for Matt Firor's "no lockboxes" quote.

They're still around. On a shoestring budget now but they keep plugging along.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tandor wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Iselin wrote: »

I found a good read about lockboxes in an article by Justin Olivetti, senior reporter at Massively, from just 4 short years ago.

A quote:

"Lockboxes cheapen any MMO in which they appear.

People care deeply about their MMOs, sometimes to the point of silliness, but the emotion is genuine. The games we love we want to see succeed, thrive, and live for a long time. What we don't generally want is for someone with a polyester sports coat, pinkie rings, and greased-back hair stomping into our beloved playgrounds and "classing up the joint" by throwing slot machines everywhere.

Lockboxes are tacky. There, I said it."

https://www.engadget.com/2012/05/17/the-perfect-ten-the-truth-about-lockboxes/

Man, I miss Massively. And not just because they were probably the source for Matt Firor's "no lockboxes" quote.

http://massivelyop.com/

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phreatophile

No, don't ever add these into the game.

After recent clarification, I'm a little less worried.

It really hinges upon the gem system: how many is an already collected item worth and how much do the gem store items cost?

Does one have to be unsuccessful one time, ten times, twenty times, or more before one has enough gems to get the item desired?

Will we get the item's actual worth in the Gem store? Seems unlikely.

One thing seems certain, that the more you already have the greater your chance to get what you want. This could either reward loyal customers or if the gem exchange is more exploitative to hook players that like to gamble even deeper.

Like any gamble, it all depends on the odds.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

phreatophile wrote: »

Like any gamble, it all depends on the odds.

They won't be telling us the odds, either.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ThePaleItalian wrote: »

Lets look at it this way:

Crown XP Scroll - 300 Crowns
10 pack of tri-potions - 200 Crowns
Haj Mota Hatching - 1000 Crowns.

I am just using this as an example. Lets say you buy a crown box for 400 crowns and get all of that.... are you happy with your purchase?

I have crowns laying around, I am subbed and I will probably buy 1 or 2.

If a "whale" or someone wants to drop 1,000$ on said boxes, let them... seriously, how in the world is ZOS supposed to continue to make money for this game? You wanna go back to Sub only?? Doubt it, forums would blow up for "ZOMG, 15$ for a crap game is QQ...hate you ZOS you sucks!!!!"

So no sub now but some crown COSMETIC stuff.... wanna know the response to that? Look above ^^^

I got the RNG.. its in every single MMO.. but stop the end of the world stuff until they hit. If you don't wanna buy one, then don't.

I am pretty sure 90% of you have bought something from the crown store. So look back at what you spent and what you spent your crowns on.... stop being a hypocrite just because you don't "like" it.

How it the world is ZOS supose to make money.. hmmm CHARGE A SUB ohh right they fu.ked that up real early NOW they can only hope ppl will sub the ESO plus till they dont fix things and ppl stop!!!... UMM selling items in crown strore OHHH thats right they do but thats not enough for them.. nothing wrong with buying stuff from the crown store this is gambling out of the crown store to make them revenue because they are RNG and YOU WILL NOT GET YOUR RARE DROP FOR 5-10 + BOXES( TRY MAYBE 100)!! other wise why not just stick this rare thing in the crown store at 4k crowns and be done with it... And there only means of revenue now is to RIP MORE MONEY out of the the customer by dangling shinnys because they cant fix or cannot sort the games issue to start which is losing them subs/players .. Is this the type of game company worth supporting if every time they deside to bend you over with not fixing bugs issues etc they throw a idea to SCAM more money of you!! Put simple its DISGUSTING to block items behind these lock boxes to raise revenue knowing fully well its going to make them more money off ppl throwing more and more money at them trying to get something they want and gathering crap they dont want in the process!!

Synfaer

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

phreatophile wrote: »

Like any gamble, it all depends on the odds.

They won't be telling us the odds, either.

And they could change the odds any time without notice.
Such as, raising the odds of getting a rare item initially making it appear achievable (say on PTS) , then drastically cut those odds to rake in the money.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

phreatophile wrote: »

After recent clarification, I'm a little less worried.

It really hinges upon the gem system: how many is an already collected item worth and how much do the gem store items cost?

Does one have to be unsuccessful one time, ten times, twenty times, or more before one has enough gems to get the item desired?

Will we get the item's actual worth in the Gem store? Seems unlikely.

One thing seems certain, that the more you already have the greater your chance to get what you want. This could either reward loyal customers or if the gem exchange is more exploitative to hook players that like to gamble even deeper.

Like any gamble, it all depends on the odds.

i can assure you the odds will be stacked in there favor other wise why not just leave the crown store the same and have ppl buy the mount or costume they want !! because they want you to blow more money to get stuff you dont need or want my guess if that fails whats next these gems can be used to buy in game gear weapons then we get pay to win real quick!!

Eiagra

No, don't ever add these into the game.

There's 90 pages going on here, so this may already be said (and honestly I don't expect this to be read), but...

Quoting from http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

Matt Firor: "So, in a nutshell: you purchase a crate of consumables, and you get the chance for cool gear that was once on the store but was discontinued – and a really rare chance of unique customization and convenience items."

Huh. So Matt Firor is either incredibly disconnected from the player base -- consumables is not likely a driving market factor -- and/or completely oblivious to the way peoples' buying habits actually function -- players will be focusing on the rarities, not the consumables -- OR Matt is completely and utterly aware of everything and is banking on exploiting those players who are willing to throw tons of money at the gambles for rare/unobtainables.

Gotta catch those freaking whales, I guess. My faith, meanwhile, diminishes... I thought this place was sanctuary. It breaks my heart to find it about to be violated by this scheme.

Let it harm none... let it exploit none... but alas, this creed and this voice goes unheard.

Mercutio

I am curious: does anyone actually buy the Food or Drink from the Crown Store?

I ask because I do buy the XP Scrolls. I have about 20 sitting in my bank. At 5 for $10.00 (1000 Crowns) and with each lasting 2 Hours I see it as a good return on my money at $1.00/hour.

If there was some way they could combine what people are already buying with this new system it might take out some of the sting.

jeevin

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Eiagra wrote: »

There's 90 pages going on here, so this may already be said (and honestly I don't expect this to be read), but...

Quoting from http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

Matt Firor: "So, in a nutshell: you purchase a crate of consumables, and you get the chance for cool gear that was once on the store but was discontinued – and a really rare chance of unique customization and convenience items."

Huh. So Matt Firor is either incredibly disconnected from the player base -- consumables is not likely a driving market factor -- and/or completely oblivious to the way peoples' buying habits actually function -- players will be focusing on the rarities, not the consumables -- OR Matt is completely and utterly aware of everything and is banking on exploiting those players who are willing to throw tons of money at the gambles for rare/unobtainables.

Gotta catch those freaking whales, I guess. My faith, meanwhile, diminishes... I thought this place was sanctuary. It breaks my heart to find it about to be violated by this scheme.

Let it harm none... let it exploit none... but alas, this creed and this voice goes unheard.

So it turns out that Matt Firor is indeed the real Molag Bal...

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Mercutio wrote: »

I am curious: does anyone actually buy the Food or Drink from the Crown Store?

I ask because I do buy the XP Scrolls. I have about 20 sitting in my bank. At 5 for $10.00 (1000 Crowns) and with each lasting 2 Hours I see it as a good return on my money at $1.00/hour.

If there was some way they could combine what people are already buying with this new system it might take out some of the sting.

The only crown consumables I've ever bought are the XP scrolls (which they made the ambrosia XP recipe completely worthless to get by making perfect roe almost impossible to get so you'd buy the crown scrolls out of sheer frustration) and I don't know a single person who buys any of the others. I run an RP guild of under 100 players and we're able to take care of the entire guild's needs for food, drink and potions with our crafters. I know most larger guilds do the same. So for an awful lot of players the crown consumables are completely superfluous. So, no Matt, we're NOT buying up the cash shop's consumables anyway and we're not excited by the "rare" chance that we'll get something extra with them.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Eiagra wrote: »

There's 90 pages going on here, so this may already be said (and honestly I don't expect this to be read), but...

Quoting from http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

Matt Firor: "So, in a nutshell: you purchase a crate of consumables, and you get the chance for cool gear that was once on the store but was discontinued – and a really rare chance of unique customization and convenience items."

Huh. So Matt Firor is either incredibly disconnected from the player base -- consumables is not likely a driving market factor -- and/or completely oblivious to the way peoples' buying habits actually function -- players will be focusing on the rarities, not the consumables -- OR Matt is completely and utterly aware of everything and is banking on exploiting those players who are willing to throw tons of money at the gambles for rare/unobtainables.

Gotta catch those freaking whales, I guess. My faith, meanwhile, diminishes... I thought this place was sanctuary. It breaks my heart to find it about to be violated by this scheme.

Let it harm none... let it exploit none... but alas, this creed and this voice goes unheard.

Molag Bal has a face, and human name.

Arezius

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Eiagra wrote: »

[...]OR Matt is completely and utterly aware of everything and is banking on exploiting those players who are willing to throw tons of money at the gambles for rare/unobtainables.

YES. This.
Like in every other F2P games.

Most things you get in lockboxes are completely useless and the devs know it very well.
In a game like Rift, for example, all the new mounts are ONLY in lockboxes, and you can open a hundred of these boxes and all you get is blue low tier gear (useless) and/or random useless lowcost items from the cash shop.
(Not that I've ever bought any lockboxes there, but there's a chance of getting one by simply playing (because more RNG on top of RNG seems to be the way of MMOs these days...) and we discussed about it with guildmates back when we were still playing).

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Eiagra wrote: »

There's 90 pages going on here, so this may already be said (and honestly I don't expect this to be read), but...

Quoting from http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

Matt Firor: "So, in a nutshell: you purchase a crate of consumables, and you get the chance for cool gear that was once on the store but was discontinued – and a really rare chance of unique customization and convenience items."

Huh. So Matt Firor is either incredibly disconnected from the player base -- consumables is not likely a driving market factor -- and/or completely oblivious to the way peoples' buying habits actually function -- players will be focusing on the rarities, not the consumables -- OR Matt is completely and utterly aware of everything and is banking on exploiting those players who are willing to throw tons of money at the gambles for rare/unobtainables.

Gotta catch those freaking whales, I guess. My faith, meanwhile, diminishes... I thought this place was sanctuary. It breaks my heart to find it about to be violated by this scheme.

Let it harm none... let it exploit none... but alas, this creed and this voice goes unheard.

He is not oblivious.

Crown Crates are designed to give you a random chance at something wonderful. That is why people will buy them. The consumables are not popular, so by giving people consumables, the Crates do not steal as many sales for other parts of the store. You will not be making a decision between a Crate and some food because you normally don't buy the food.

Clearly no one buys the food and drink. If they were popular, the Crates would give something new and different. They don't have to hand out new and different because no one is using consumables.

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

phreatophile wrote: »

After recent clarification, I'm a little less worried.

It really hinges upon the gem system: how many is an already collected item worth and how much do the gem store items cost?

Does one have to be unsuccessful one time, ten times, twenty times, or more before one has enough gems to get the item desired?

Will we get the item's actual worth in the Gem store? Seems unlikely.

One thing seems certain, that the more you already have the greater your chance to get what you want. This could either reward loyal customers or if the gem exchange is more exploitative to hook players that like to gamble even deeper.

Like any gamble, it all depends on the odds.

For anyone that didn't buy the costumes the crown boxes are going to be "costume" boxes with a rare snowball's chance of getting a mount instead. You can't trade what isn't a duplicate. If you don't own a costume, but that is the "rare limited" in the box, you're stuck with it. So until you get all the items to *start* getting the duplicates you're out of luck.

Marrtha

No, don't ever add these into the game.

hagermanj wrote: »

Tandor wrote: »

These are going to be optional, you know. Anyone would think we're being coerced into giving our life savings away in the delusional hope that we might pick up some worthless trinket at the end of the day.

Note that I'm not saying I'd choose to have these boxes in the game, any more than I'd choose to have the Crown Store in it either, but while the first part of the topic was rationally and relatively calmly debated it has descended into way over-the-top and rather silly arguments that don't help to make the strong case against having these boxes in the game. Nor is the critics' case strengthened by the lobbing of petty insults at individual developers who can't realistically use this forum to defend themselves. They just get their words twisted and turned and thrown back at them in some cases months or even years down the line - and people wonder why the developers don't bother to post here!

There was a decent argument to be made against the boxes and that argument peaked a good few pages ago, most of what's been added since is just chipping away at the strength of that argument. I personally think this topic has run its course. If the developers have been following it then they'll have got the message a while back.

This, and also the name calling of players that will buy some of Crown Crates.

Bottom line: No one will be forcing anyone one to buy the Crown Crates. If you don't want them then don't buy them.

I have said before: To those that will leave the game over this, LEAVE. If this one thing makes you want to leave, then you have not been happy with this game in a long time.

This thing makes those who think ahead want to leave. Sure, there is a bit of cosmetics in them now, maybe an exp scroll just to make it fun to open the boxes when you have nothing to spend your crowns on.... But as soon as they start adding things that should be played for (gear, for example), it is screwed. Look at the big picture, please. Telling people to 'leave' is the least constructive thing you can do. People leave, the game dies. Think before you speak.

AnthragonVangor

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MornaBaine wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

I am curious: does anyone actually buy the Food or Drink from the Crown Store?

I ask because I do buy the XP Scrolls. I have about 20 sitting in my bank. At 5 for $10.00 (1000 Crowns) and with each lasting 2 Hours I see it as a good return on my money at $1.00/hour.

If there was some way they could combine what people are already buying with this new system it might take out some of the sting.

The only crown consumables I've ever bought are the XP scrolls (which they made the ambrosia XP recipe completely worthless to get by making perfect roe almost impossible to get so you'd buy the crown scrolls out of sheer frustration) and I don't know a single person who buys any of the others. I run an RP guild of under 100 players and we're able to take care of the entire guild's needs for food, drink and potions with our crafters. I know most larger guilds do the same. So for an awful lot of players the crown consumables are completely superfluous. So, no Matt, we're NOT buying up the cash shop's consumables anyway and we're not excited by the "rare" chance that we'll get something extra with them.

Getting the perfect roe isn't that hard, you just need to put in time to go out fishing. And here I come back to one of my previous posts:I like the "old school way" that you have to do something IN GAME to receive something. If people put in money for potions, well, then do it but it is possible to get them by game play and many people said - I do so, too - that provisioning isn't that hard to learn in the game.

And I will repeat the same little word as I did before : it is the word "CHANCE" that brings the biggest problem and to quote this sentence:

Matt Firor: "So, in a nutshell: you purchase a crate of consumables, and you get the chance for cool gear that was once on the store but was discontinued – and a really rare chance of unique customization and convenience items."


As you can see, it isn't even a "chance" it is a "really rare chance of unique customization and convenience items".

A REALLY RARE CHANCE. Make these items only available like the bear last few days and put in boxes with "A REALLY RARE CHANCE" . Even if you buy gems for 3,000 crowns or 4,000 even then it is ONLY a chance.

I will use my last days on Tamriel to give away all my stuff to friends.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

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Eiagra wrote: »

There's 90 pages going on here, so this may already be said (and honestly I don't expect this to be read), but...

Quoting from http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

Matt Firor: "So, in a nutshell: you purchase a crate of consumables, and you get the chance for cool gear that was once on the store but was discontinued – and a really rare chance of unique customization and convenience items."

Huh. So Matt Firor is either incredibly disconnected from the player base -- consumables is not likely a driving market factor -- and/or completely oblivious to the way peoples' buying habits actually function -- players will be focusing on the rarities, not the consumables -- OR Matt is completely and utterly aware of everything and is banking on exploiting those players who are willing to throw tons of money at the gambles for rare/unobtainables.

Gotta catch those freaking whales, I guess. My faith, meanwhile, diminishes... I thought this place was sanctuary. It breaks my heart to find it about to be violated by this scheme.

Let it harm none... let it exploit none... but alas, this creed and this voice goes unheard.

This is about what it is to me - they [Snip] it up ... again - well, I should have stayed with my first opinion about this company when they announced the imperial edition and any race in any faction at launch and added a horse to it, which was otherwise hard to achieve in the game - a lot of people on youtube were shocked by this, because it broke the whole concept of the alliance war in the first place and it showed greed in a way, which was just disgusting - Angry Joe had a parody in his review about this, which was straight to the point - it is a greedy company which has no scruples at all to scam the crap out of it's customers.

I am pretty much done with this game - I thought I could have some more fun from time to time - but it does not seem like it. I am just too "heartbroken" to be able to - you put it in the right way, I feel so disgusted by them and despise them deeply.

[Edit to remove profanity]

Lumenn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Considering the "acceptable" rng in game atm I shudder to think of what "a really RARE chance" is.

Teridaxus

No, don't ever add these into the game.

So...after windows 10 broke my pc for a while, zos makes such a terrible move now?

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Mercutio wrote: »

I am curious: does anyone actually buy the Food or Drink from the Crown Store?

I ask because I do buy the XP Scrolls. I have about 20 sitting in my bank. At 5 for $10.00 (1000 Crowns) and with each lasting 2 Hours I see it as a good return on my money at $1.00/hour.

If there was some way they could combine what people are already buying with this new system it might take out some of the sting.

I bought xp scrolls for new toons with no leveled provisioning ao that i don't have to waste precious skillpoints. I bought repair kits for trials as it is embarassing to admit that you don't have any on you.

I bought a mixed consumables crate once by mistake - and purple food, pots and poisons from it are still sitting unused. They are way worse than crafted ones. Not exciting at all.

Also, even from thos perspective, crates do not sound appealing. It's still going to be a surprise - what kind of consumables is it going to be, and which will be considered more desirable? People with maxed out toons and cp don't need xp scrolls, not in this lifeteme. Peolle with decent crafting level will not need drinks/food/pots because they are laughable.

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Mercutio wrote: »

I am curious: does anyone actually buy the Food or Drink from the Crown Store?

I ask because I do buy the XP Scrolls. I have about 20 sitting in my bank. At 5 for $10.00 (1000 Crowns) and with each lasting 2 Hours I see it as a good return on my money at $1.00/hour.

If there was some way they could combine what people are already buying with this new system it might take out some of the sting.

I've bought scrolls a few times; experience and respect ones because I don't accumulate tons of gold in-game. I also buy mimic stones because I don't go to Cyrodiil under normal circumstances and won't ever get the style stones for some the motifs. I've bought some of the senches, because, khajiit and senches....

Unfortunately for ZOS they created the provisioning system before they went B2P. My provisioner makes better food and drink than the crown store. That part of what they claimed when they introduced the crown store they've kept; no food or drink from the store would be better than what a player could make. I have never bought the food or drink from the store. I haven't bought many of the costumes because I simply don't like them and don't want them.

I won't be buying the 400 crown rngesus boxes. I've played the game long enough to know how the rng works, or doesn't, just with perfect roe and nirncrux and some of the weapon and motif drops in the game. The chances I'd get the two senche mounts I missed without spending hundreds of dollars are effectively zero.

I would have bought both the senches I missed, even if they had boosted the price to 5000 crowns.

wolfydog

Just a cash grab really. I might buy a box or two randomly here or there, but it would be nice is ZOS disclosed some more information about them.

Like what the are the odds of getting a mount or a costume? Are different mounts and costumes more rare then others?

As of now, its getting a little disturbing that the cash shop is probably becoming one of the most well developed parts of the game.

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

JKorr wrote: »

Mercutio wrote: »

I am curious: does anyone actually buy the Food or Drink from the Crown Store?

I ask because I do buy the XP Scrolls. I have about 20 sitting in my bank. At 5 for $10.00 (1000 Crowns) and with each lasting 2 Hours I see it as a good return on my money at $1.00/hour.

If there was some way they could combine what people are already buying with this new system it might take out some of the sting.

I've bought scrolls a few times; experience and respect ones because I don't accumulate tons of gold in-game. I also buy mimic stones because I don't go to Cyrodiil under normal circumstances and won't ever get the style stones for some the motifs. I've bought some of the senches, because, khajiit and senches....

Unfortunately for ZOS they created the provisioning system before they went B2P. My provisioner makes better food and drink than the crown store. That part of what they claimed when they introduced the crown store they've kept; no food or drink from the store would be better than what a player could make. I have never bought the food or drink from the store. I haven't bought many of the costumes because I simply don't like them and don't want them.

I won't be buying the 400 crown rngesus boxes. I've played the game long enough to know how the rng works, or doesn't, just with perfect roe and nirncrux and some of the weapon and motif drops in the game. The chances I'd get the two senche mounts I missed without spending hundreds of dollars are effectively zero.

I would have bought both the senches I missed, even if they had boosted the price to 5000 crowns.

Ninja-nerfing the crux rate (as well as Roe, Ambrosia recipe parts, Malachite Shards and so on) does not make me feel confident about their RNG system. Obviously, it can be manipulated any time, with or withoit warning. Even if they give us competitive chance now (say, 10% for a discontinued costume/mount, 1% for current super rare), there's nothing stopping them from tweaking it later after people get hooked.

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

Nothing new from them, ZOS has always preferred going to other sides like reddit to address concerns and almost never gives any direct interaction on their own game forums.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

Nothing new from them, ZOS has always preferred going to other sides like reddit to address concerns and almost never gives any direct interaction on their own game forums.

No. Not to the degree that you are implying.

My question was more along the lines of whether there was a new article or comment about Crown Crates that was not linked here, already.

JamilaRaj

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

lordrichter wrote: »

Eiagra wrote: »

There's 90 pages going on here, so this may already be said (and honestly I don't expect this to be read), but...

Quoting from http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

Matt Firor: "So, in a nutshell: you purchase a crate of consumables, and you get the chance for cool gear that was once on the store but was discontinued – and a really rare chance of unique customization and convenience items."

Huh. So Matt Firor is either incredibly disconnected from the player base -- consumables is not likely a driving market factor -- and/or completely oblivious to the way peoples' buying habits actually function -- players will be focusing on the rarities, not the consumables -- OR Matt is completely and utterly aware of everything and is banking on exploiting those players who are willing to throw tons of money at the gambles for rare/unobtainables.

Gotta catch those freaking whales, I guess. My faith, meanwhile, diminishes... I thought this place was sanctuary. It breaks my heart to find it about to be violated by this scheme.

Let it harm none... let it exploit none... but alas, this creed and this voice goes unheard.

He is not oblivious.

Crown Crates are designed to give you a random chance at something wonderful. That is why people will buy them. The consumables are not popular, so by giving people consumables, the Crates do not steal as many sales for other parts of the store. You will not be making a decision between a Crate and some food because you normally don't buy the food.

Clearly no one buys the food and drink. If they were popular, the Crates would give something new and different. They don't have to hand out new and different because no one is using consumables.

That depends. Some trash loot has to be there to allow ZOS to pretend it sells minor items (by now everyone should be complacent with this P2W element), not slot machines, but it may have picked consumables because players do buy them, in an attempt to introduce these players to gambling and convert some of them, rather than to wait for them to discover joys of scamboxes on their own.

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No, don't ever add these into the game.

As I said in the other thread -

verenkutoja wrote: »

CROWN CRATES

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

Gods no, why does every game have to go down the route of the lockbox? And with how this is worded, there will be 'Crown Crate' specific items that you can ONLY get from gambling on Crown Crates.

This is the EXACT reason I hate Cryptic games so much (Neverwinter, Star Trek Online, Champions Online, etc) - The gambling box thing is CRAP and this is an awful idea. I doubt you asked the community here if they even wanted this because if you did you would get an overwhelming NO.

That much is clear from how many people are against it in the thread here. Take a hint @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom - in fact its not even a hint, its a scream of disapproval; PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS

this is a garbage idea and Zenimax is ignoring the largely negative response from their player base saying that they DO NOT want this.

It shows where Zenimax' loyalties lie, I think it also shows where players loyalties should lie. (In other words, not with a company that clearly does not care what they (the player base) want for a game THEY support)