What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

It's nothing new . People will need to decide now to be staying or just move on . I'm staying but said my peace here . If pay to win creeps in then probably I move on too . If not this will be another obstacle in the game that was unpleasant and not well received by most . We have had to cope before with other decisions out of Our control so this is nothing new . Just leaves bad taste in my mouth seeing friends here leaving soon .

Kuningatar

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

It's nothing new . People will need to decide now to be staying or just move on . I'm staying but said my peace here . If pay to win creeps in then probably I move on too . If not this will be another obstacle in the game that was unpleasant and not well received by most . We have had to cope before with other decisions out of Our control so this is nothing new . Just leaves bad taste in my mouth seeing friends here leaving soon .

Yeah, the sad thing is.. the way you would like to see a company run, honest, and actually listening to player feedback is not the way that an mmo company is ever run (none except for maybe like and forgive me for this, but RuneScape - Jagex actually legitimately listens to the players and even runs polls in the case of 07scape to decide what goes into the game) - Most of the mmo companies are under the impression that they just need to add whatever is 'cost effective' at the time in order to maximize profits.

The funny thing is that I think by such hamfisted business practices they actually in the process of both alienating their supporting player base and creating a bad reputation for themselves manage to hurt their bottom line in the end.

I actually quit about a week after the 12 month senche mount were released for a little over a year and only recently came back, I quit mostly because of the fact that Zenimax have outright lied on a number of different occasions and displayed an absolute unwillingness to listen to their player base virtually at all. That just does not rub me the right way, I mean.. I supported this game from its beta and for myself and others like me who were loyal to be shoved aside and basically put in a corner and treated as if we do not matter? Yeah, no.

The recent trends have started to remind me more of Star Wars Galaxies and Sony Online Entertainment during the CU and NGE period of the game, when before they added each they kept telling the player base "this is what you said you wanted!" and they player base responded with a strong "No, its absolutely not. No one ever asked for this and if you add it, we will quit!" and SOE kept insisting "But you will like it, you asked for it, this is what people want" as if their insistence somehow made it true, then they added it, and basically everyone just up and left because it were just so ridiculous.

This is basically the same thing. Over 50% of this poll says no, they are not wanted under any circumstance. That is currently the opinion leading, but will Zenimax listen? No, probably not.

To these big companies all us players are just numbers, not people. We represent a bottom line.

And customer retention as well as game quality have become a thing of the past, especially with the game industry discovering that they could do things like make people pay money to play an early beta of something (which they used to pay other people to do since testing the game and reporting bugs is a job) and release half finished work and sell it as a full finished work with barely any QA at all.

There are plenty of players out there that they believe will come to the ESO after you or I may leave due to this, they literally do not care about customer retention at all.. and to be honest, its kind of sad and it really does the opposite of what they are aiming to do. They are ultimately just destroying their own game and by proxy, their theoretically 'maximized profit'

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

verenkutoja wrote: »

As I said in the other thread -

verenkutoja wrote: »

CROWN CRATES

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

Gods no, why does every game have to go down the route of the lockbox? And with how this is worded, there will be 'Crown Crate' specific items that you can ONLY get from gambling on Crown Crates.

This is the EXACT reason I hate Cryptic games so much (Neverwinter, Star Trek Online, Champions Online, etc) - The gambling box thing is CRAP and this is an awful idea. I doubt you asked the community here if they even wanted this because if you did you would get an overwhelming NO.

That much is clear from how many people are against it in the thread here. Take a hint @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom - in fact its not even a hint, its a scream of disapproval; PLAYERS DO NOT WANT THIS

this is a garbage idea and Zenimax is ignoring the largely negative response from their player base saying that they DO NOT want this.

It shows where Zenimax' loyalties lie, I think it also shows where players loyalties should lie. (In other words, not with a company that clearly does not care what they (the player base) want for a game THEY support)

These boxes are pretty much universally hated by the players, yet the studios toss them in anyway. ZOS will toss them in anyway. It would take an act of God to prevent it, and then only after a studio crisis team meeting to see if they can do it anyway.

Crown Crates are like Skooma to ZOS.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

It's nothing new . People will need to decide now to be staying or just move on . I'm staying but said my peace here . If pay to win creeps in then probably I move on too . If not this will be another obstacle in the game that was unpleasant and not well received by most . We have had to cope before with other decisions out of Our control so this is nothing new . Just leaves bad taste in my mouth seeing friends here leaving soon .

Pretty much this. I've spoken my piece, probably got more passionate than I should have, but I dont really have anywhere to go. Though if I do finally move to someplace else it'll likley be something like Destiny, at this point.

I just dont care enough for this bull anymore.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

verenkutoja wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

It's nothing new . People will need to decide now to be staying or just move on . I'm staying but said my peace here . If pay to win creeps in then probably I move on too . If not this will be another obstacle in the game that was unpleasant and not well received by most . We have had to cope before with other decisions out of Our control so this is nothing new . Just leaves bad taste in my mouth seeing friends here leaving soon .

Yeah, the sad thing is.. the way you would like to see a company run, honest, and actually listening to player feedback is not the way that an mmo company is ever run (none except for maybe like and forgive me for this, but RuneScape - Jagex actually legitimately listens to the players and even runs polls in the case of 07scape to decide what goes into the game) - Most of the mmo companies are under the impression that they just need to add whatever is 'cost effective' at the time in order to maximize profits.

The funny thing is that I think by such hamfisted business practices they actually in the process of both alienating their supporting player base and creating a bad reputation for themselves manage to hurt their bottom line in the end.

I actually quit about a week after the 12 month senche mount were released for a little over a year and only recently came back, I quit mostly because of the fact that Zenimax have outright lied on a number of different occasions and displayed an absolute unwillingness to listen to their player base virtually at all. That just does not rub me the right way, I mean.. I supported this game from its beta and for myself and others like me who were loyal to be shoved aside and basically put in a corner and treated as if we do not matter? Yeah, no.

The recent trends have started to remind me more of Star Wars Galaxies and Sony Online Entertainment during the CU and NGE period of the game, when before they added each they kept telling the player base "this is what you said you wanted!" and they player base responded with a strong "No, its absolutely not. No one ever asked for this and if you add it, we will quit!" and SOE kept insisting "But you will like it, you asked for it, this is what people want" as if their insistence somehow made it true, then they added it, and basically everyone just up and left because it were just so ridiculous.

This is basically the same thing. Over 50% of this poll says no, they are not wanted under any circumstance. That is currently the opinion leading, but will Zenimax listen? No, probably not.

To these big companies all us players are just numbers, not people. We represent a bottom line.

And customer retention as well as game quality have become a thing of the past, especially with the game industry discovering that they could do things like make people pay money to play an early beta of something (which they used to pay other people to do since testing the game and reporting bugs is a job) and release half finished work and sell it as a full finished work with barely any QA at all.

There are plenty of players out there that they believe will come to the ESO after you or I may leave due to this, they literally do not care about customer retention at all.. and to be honest, its kind of sad and it really does the opposite of what they are aiming to do. They are ultimately just destroying their own game and by proxy, their theoretically 'maximized profit'

Back in the day you made a product, and because patches were not a thing, you did it right the friggin' first time.

Back in the day, the customer was allways right instead of being an invisible number.

They dont make 'em like they used to anymore. I didn't think I'd be saying that until my 60's.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

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Eiagra wrote: »

There's 90 pages going on here, so this may already be said (and honestly I don't expect this to be read), but...

Quoting from http://www.mmorpg.com/gamelist.cfm/game/821/feature/11112/Elder-Scrolls-Online-All-About-the-Crown-Crates-Coming-in-One-Tamriel.html

Matt Firor: "So, in a nutshell: you purchase a crate of consumables, and you get the chance for cool gear that was once on the store but was discontinued – and a really rare chance of unique customization and convenience items."

Huh. So Matt Firor is either incredibly disconnected from the player base -- consumables is not likely a driving market factor -- and/or completely oblivious to the way peoples' buying habits actually function -- players will be focusing on the rarities, not the consumables -- OR Matt is completely and utterly aware of everything and is banking on exploiting those players who are willing to throw tons of money at the gambles for rare/unobtainables.

Gotta catch those freaking whales, I guess. My faith, meanwhile, diminishes... I thought this place was sanctuary. It breaks my heart to find it about to be violated by this scheme.

Let it harm none... let it exploit none... but alas, this creed and this voice goes unheard.

This is about what it is to me - they [Snip] it up ... again - well, I should have stayed with my first opinion about this company when they announced the imperial edition and any race in any faction at launch and added a horse to it, which was otherwise hard to achieve in the game - a lot of people on youtube were shocked by this, because it broke the whole concept of the alliance war in the first place and it showed greed in a way, which was just disgusting - Angry Joe had a parody in his review about this, which was straight to the point - it is a greedy company which has no scruples at all to scam the crap out of it's customers.

I am pretty much done with this game - I thought I could have some more fun from time to time - but it does not seem like it. I am just too "heartbroken" to be able to - you put it in the right way, I feel so disgusted by them and despise them deeply.

This is pretty much my feeling at this point... I was super jazzed for OT and the Seattle event coming up (I live in Seattle), now I'm just watching the sub days tick down and planning my escape route. But eff me if it isn't almost physically painful to have been so friggin wrong this whole time. All my defenses of various systems and changes made to the game haven't all just led to this inevitable outcome.

I'll tell you what though, fool me one shame on you, fool me twice shame on me.

So shame on me.

Edit: Not sayin I'm quittin... cause who ever really quits an mmo? Just saying I don't plan on blindly supporting this game via my wallet anymore. Just straight up ambivalence.

Tandor

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

Nothing new from them, ZOS has always preferred going to other sides like reddit to address concerns and almost never gives any direct interaction on their own game forums.

Hardly surprising given that they only ever get called scammers, liars, and other such insults here. They know that 99% of the players are happily in the game so why should they choose to deal with the the 1% who hate on them the whole time here? This forum has already reached the stage at which SOE closed the original EQ forum for a while back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen here to be honest. I don't agree with everything they do and I'd like to see them have a stronger presence here but I can well understand why that's difficult for them.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tandor wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

Nothing new from them, ZOS has always preferred going to other sides like reddit to address concerns and almost never gives any direct interaction on their own game forums.

Hardly surprising given that they only ever get called scammers, liars, and other such insults here. They know that 99% of the players are happily in the game so why should they choose to deal with the the 1% who hate on them the whole time here? This forum has already reached the stage at which SOE closed the original EQ forum for a while back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen here to be honest. I don't agree with everything they do and I'd like to see them have a stronger presence here but I can well understand why that's difficult for them.

That's a tad extreme. Our forums are WAY more tame and the community as a whole (on these forums) tend to (#NotAll) be polite and constructive, especially if you compare these forums to other games. I.E WoW, BDO, GW2 all far worse.

MornaBaine

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Well overall the responses THERE were extremely negative as well. One wonders if they'll listen to those people since it SEEMS they are not listening to us.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

MornaBaine wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Well overall the responses THERE were extremely negative as well. One wonders if they'll listen to those people since it SEEMS they are not listening to us.

No.

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Tandor wrote: »

GhostwalkerLD wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

Nothing new from them, ZOS has always preferred going to other sides like reddit to address concerns and almost never gives any direct interaction on their own game forums.

Hardly surprising given that they only ever get called scammers, liars, and other such insults here. They know that 99% of the players are happily in the game so why should they choose to deal with the the 1% who hate on them the whole time here? This forum has already reached the stage at which SOE closed the original EQ forum for a while back in the day. I wouldn't be surprised to see that happen here to be honest. I don't agree with everything they do and I'd like to see them have a stronger presence here but I can well understand why that's difficult for them.

how did you get to 99% did you take the 50% that are happy and use that as a figure after the other 50% left because of bugs glitches bad choices and now the stupid lock boxes... they deserve hate when the do greedy disgusting things otherwise game companys will walk allover gamers .. Im quite happy with the current crown store format if i want to buy somthing i will if i dont i wont!! this is greedy bullsh.t and if it doesnt backfire on them they will go further then your 99% of 50% will be a dead and burried game at 0%!! ppl are pasionate about there games and just want a fair game for a fair price ..BUTof late with the bugs on consoles and pc the glitches( that took them well over a month to fix) hell even on another thread there getting hate over the push on the imperial city boost to drops and molag only drops for the first 12 players to tag him theses sorts of issues are the reason they get hate and attacked!! AND now instead of putting these rare/old mounts and costumes it the crown store now and then there forcing ppl who would like to collect them to gamble on them.. HARDLY FAIR GAMING!!

AnthragonVangor

No, don't ever add these into the game.

For those who keep on playing this game:

I wish the best for you all - and I don't mean it in a sarcastic way -. I wish for you all, that these boxes are "just cosmetics" and won't become rare items/weapons later or maybe a race not mentioned yet which better stats.

But enough is enough, it took a time to put out my stuff out of my crafting bag and gave them all to a friend. For me it is over now. I always wanted to play a MMORPG on console, since WoW came out. TESO was even THAT kind of MMORPG I was waiting for and pre ordered the Imperial Edition since it was first announced. I was disappointed that it came out later then announced, but never gave up. I was ok with subscription model eventhough they turned it into free but "Plus-Membership".

I had to quit the game for a while because I was upset with the technical problems the game had (especially in PVP), bugs like disappearing or late appearing NPCs made this game unplayable for me. I came back in May this year 2016. Started to focus on crafting. Some problems seemed to be still there (NPC, PVP lag etc.), but I liked some changes like the crafting bag. Man it made crafting so much easier and as I can't leave even crates (ingame) without taking everything that has been in there. Yes, the crafting bag, a dream came true.

And then there have been these doubts about this game esp. on PvP. Why does a game that is somehow made to be announced as game with big clashes between the three alliances in fact not handling this? And this is one problem existing from the beginning.

On Youtube, every MMO seemed to be poisoned by those loot crates. Don't want to name them but for me as a "consolero" it was something that did effect me in this way, that I was proud, that TESO didn't have this. There have been maybe signs, like people said with "limited time offers" or "special this and that only for one or a few days". Something that didn't feel well, but was in my opinion acceptable.

The announcement I saw in MissBizz Youtube vid. felt like a slap in the face and like a bad dream. This thread here just showed how important (in many ways, law e.g., the topic from a moral standpoint etc.) this is for many.

Even people who voted for these loot boxes (not all), even they have upcoming doubts of this system. If it was just 10 percent or let it even have been the other way round, that 33 percent votet No and the majority said yes. I could have - not understand - but accepted that it is wished by the customers.

Maybe this post seems to be to much "whine" in the glass, but I want to take this chance to use "my last shot". Not a deadly one but one that hits... . I feel sorry for other people that are disappointed about "their" decision. I will keep on watching how this is developing. Same as I did/ and still doing when I left WoW during the BC. I came back one time to TESO, but it's the same with WoW. I came back one time, gave it a chance and well, WoW is another game and I loved it as much as playing TESO, so it is not the game that I don't like it is the other way round.But the games are becoming worse, and this new "business model" they are trying to use is for me the peak in TESO.

I wish I could come back to Tamriel, but...that's also the scourge of MMORPGs they will never be like they where when you started playing them. It is not like a Zelda or Mass Effect (I could count many more games) you put in again, laugh about the "old graphics" but the gameplay the world is still the same.

Nothing against development in games...but a world with three Alliances...which are in war...and this main aspect taken away? Wasn't it a goal to be "different" from other games? I can stand it, when someone says the truth and doesn't come with sentences like "we will never ..." than it is ok.

But new business models like this, are often a sign, that the company isn't working healthy.

Good luck and take care.

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

AnthragonVangor wrote: »

For those who keep on playing this game:

I wish the best for you all - and I don't mean it in a sarcastic way -. I wish for you all, that these boxes are "just cosmetics" and won't become rare items/weapons later or maybe a race not mentioned yet which better stats.

But enough is enough, it took a time to put out my stuff out of my crafting bag and gave them all to a friend. For me it is over now. I always wanted to play a MMORPG on console, since WoW came out. TESO was even THAT kind of MMORPG I was waiting for and pre ordered the Imperial Edition since it was first announced. I was disappointed that it came out later then announced, but never gave up. I was ok with subscription model eventhough they turned it into free but "Plus-Membership".

I had to quit the game for a while because I was upset with the technical problems the game had (especially in PVP), bugs like disappearing or late appearing NPCs made this game unplayable for me. I came back in May this year 2016. Started to focus on crafting. Some problems seemed to be still there (NPC, PVP lag etc.), but I liked some changes like the crafting bag. Man it made crafting so much easier and as I can't leave even crates (ingame) without taking everything that has been in there. Yes, the crafting bag, a dream came true.

And then there have been these doubts about this game esp. on PvP. Why does a game that is somehow made to be announced as game with big clashes between the three alliances in fact not handling this? And this is one problem existing from the beginning.

On Youtube, every MMO seemed to be poisoned by those loot crates. Don't want to name them but for me as a "consolero" it was something that did effect me in this way, that I was proud, that TESO didn't have this. There have been maybe signs, like people said with "limited time offers" or "special this and that only for one or a few days". Something that didn't feel well, but was in my opinion acceptable.

The announcement I saw in MissBizz Youtube vid. felt like a slap in the face and like a bad dream. This thread here just showed how important (in many ways, law e.g., the topic from a moral standpoint etc.) this is for many.

Even people who voted for these loot boxes (not all), even they have upcoming doubts of this system. If it was just 10 percent or let it even have been the other way round, that 33 percent votet No and the majority said yes. I could have - not understand - but accepted that it is wished by the customers.

Maybe this post seems to be to much "whine" in the glass, but I want to take this chance to use "my last shot". Not a deadly one but one that hits... . I feel sorry for other people that are disappointed about "their" decision. I will keep on watching how this is developing. Same as I did/ and still doing when I left WoW during the BC. I came back one time to TESO, but it's the same with WoW. I came back one time, gave it a chance and well, WoW is another game and I loved it as much as playing TESO, so it is not the game that I don't like it is the other way round.But the games are becoming worse, and this new "business model" they are trying to use is for me the peak in TESO.

I wish I could come back to Tamriel, but...that's also the scourge of MMORPGs they will never be like they where when you started playing them. It is not like a Zelda or Mass Effect (I could count many more games) you put in again, laugh about the "old graphics" but the gameplay the world is still the same.

Nothing against development in games...but a world with three Alliances...which are in war...and this main aspect taken away? Wasn't it a goal to be "different" from other games? I can stand it, when someone says the truth and doesn't come with sentences like "we will never ..." than it is ok.

But new business models like this, are often a sign, that the company isn't working healthy.

Good luck and take care.

*Salutes*

May you go to greener pastures. Even if they are only green for a short while.

Jade1986

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The majority of players over all forms of social media, these forums and in game do not want this, yet I am betting they will still put them in. GG

snakester320

No, don't ever add these into the game.

AnthragonVangor wrote: »

For those who keep on playing this game:

I wish the best for you all - and I don't mean it in a sarcastic way -. I wish for you all, that these boxes are "just cosmetics" and won't become rare items/weapons later or maybe a race not mentioned yet which better stats.

But enough is enough, it took a time to put out my stuff out of my crafting bag and gave them all to a friend. For me it is over now. I always wanted to play a MMORPG on console, since WoW came out. TESO was even THAT kind of MMORPG I was waiting for and pre ordered the Imperial Edition since it was first announced. I was disappointed that it came out later then announced, but never gave up. I was ok with subscription model eventhough they turned it into free but "Plus-Membership".

I had to quit the game for a while because I was upset with the technical problems the game had (especially in PVP), bugs like disappearing or late appearing NPCs made this game unplayable for me. I came back in May this year 2016. Started to focus on crafting. Some problems seemed to be still there (NPC, PVP lag etc.), but I liked some changes like the crafting bag. Man it made crafting so much easier and as I can't leave even crates (ingame) without taking everything that has been in there. Yes, the crafting bag, a dream came true.

And then there have been these doubts about this game esp. on PvP. Why does a game that is somehow made to be announced as game with big clashes between the three alliances in fact not handling this? And this is one problem existing from the beginning.

On Youtube, every MMO seemed to be poisoned by those loot crates. Don't want to name them but for me as a "consolero" it was something that did effect me in this way, that I was proud, that TESO didn't have this. There have been maybe signs, like people said with "limited time offers" or "special this and that only for one or a few days". Something that didn't feel well, but was in my opinion acceptable.

The announcement I saw in MissBizz Youtube vid. felt like a slap in the face and like a bad dream. This thread here just showed how important (in many ways, law e.g., the topic from a moral standpoint etc.) this is for many.

Even people who voted for these loot boxes (not all), even they have upcoming doubts of this system. If it was just 10 percent or let it even have been the other way round, that 33 percent votet No and the majority said yes. I could have - not understand - but accepted that it is wished by the customers.

Maybe this post seems to be to much "whine" in the glass, but I want to take this chance to use "my last shot". Not a deadly one but one that hits... . I feel sorry for other people that are disappointed about "their" decision. I will keep on watching how this is developing. Same as I did/ and still doing when I left WoW during the BC. I came back one time to TESO, but it's the same with WoW. I came back one time, gave it a chance and well, WoW is another game and I loved it as much as playing TESO, so it is not the game that I don't like it is the other way round.But the games are becoming worse, and this new "business model" they are trying to use is for me the peak in TESO.

I wish I could come back to Tamriel, but...that's also the scourge of MMORPGs they will never be like they where when you started playing them. It is not like a Zelda or Mass Effect (I could count many more games) you put in again, laugh about the "old graphics" but the gameplay the world is still the same.

Nothing against development in games...but a world with three Alliances...which are in war...and this main aspect taken away? Wasn't it a goal to be "different" from other games? I can stand it, when someone says the truth and doesn't come with sentences like "we will never ..." than it is ok.

But new business models like this, are often a sign, that the company isn't working healthy.

Good luck and take care.

Try ffxiv arr they do have the common mmo format so it alot like WOWin a few ways!!! its sub based but theres hardly ever any bugs and if there is they get sorted like right away
.. there is a cash shop BUT its only for glamour/costumes really and past event items.. housing raids etc and updates like clockwork every 4 months adding heaps of new stuff and dungeons FREE!! just a little japanese cartoonish but still a solid mmo!!

JimT722

No, don't ever add these into the game.

laced wrote: »

The majority of players over all forms of social media, these forums and in game do not want this, yet I am betting they will still put them in. GG

Of course they will. Our only hope of getting rid of them is they don't sell. Unfortunately, they probably will sell. It's kinda sad they don't listen to their players, but they made it very clear they aren't listening to our arguments.

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

verenkutoja wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

It's nothing new . People will need to decide now to be staying or just move on . I'm staying but said my peace here . If pay to win creeps in then probably I move on too . If not this will be another obstacle in the game that was unpleasant and not well received by most . We have had to cope before with other decisions out of Our control so this is nothing new . Just leaves bad taste in my mouth seeing friends here leaving soon .

Yeah, the sad thing is.. the way you would like to see a company run, honest, and actually listening to player feedback is not the way that an mmo company is ever run (none except for maybe like and forgive me for this, but RuneScape - Jagex actually legitimately listens to the players and even runs polls in the case of 07scape to decide what goes into the game) - Most of the mmo companies are under the impression that they just need to add whatever is 'cost effective' at the time in order to maximize profits.

The funny thing is that I think by such hamfisted business practices they actually in the process of both alienating their supporting player base and creating a bad reputation for themselves manage to hurt their bottom line in the end.

I actually quit about a week after the 12 month senche mount were released for a little over a year and only recently came back, I quit mostly because of the fact that Zenimax have outright lied on a number of different occasions and displayed an absolute unwillingness to listen to their player base virtually at all. That just does not rub me the right way, I mean.. I supported this game from its beta and for myself and others like me who were loyal to be shoved aside and basically put in a corner and treated as if we do not matter? Yeah, no.

The recent trends have started to remind me more of Star Wars Galaxies and Sony Online Entertainment during the CU and NGE period of the game, when before they added each they kept telling the player base "this is what you said you wanted!" and they player base responded with a strong "No, its absolutely not. No one ever asked for this and if you add it, we will quit!" and SOE kept insisting "But you will like it, you asked for it, this is what people want" as if their insistence somehow made it true, then they added it, and basically everyone just up and left because it were just so ridiculous.

This is basically the same thing. Over 50% of this poll says no, they are not wanted under any circumstance. That is currently the opinion leading, but will Zenimax listen? No, probably not.

To these big companies all us players are just numbers, not people. We represent a bottom line.

And customer retention as well as game quality have become a thing of the past, especially with the game industry discovering that they could do things like make people pay money to play an early beta of something (which they used to pay other people to do since testing the game and reporting bugs is a job) and release half finished work and sell it as a full finished work with barely any QA at all.

There are plenty of players out there that they believe will come to the ESO after you or I may leave due to this, they literally do not care about customer retention at all.. and to be honest, its kind of sad and it really does the opposite of what they are aiming to do. They are ultimately just destroying their own game and by proxy, their theoretically 'maximized profit'

Back in the day you made a product, and because patches were not a thing, you did it right the friggin' first time.

Back in the day, the customer was allways right instead of being an invisible number.

They dont make 'em like they used to anymore. I didn't think I'd be saying that until my 60's.

I'm really glad someone else said it That's the way i feel about most games now, and i'm just in my 20s! I made my peace with Dlc purchases, especially for online games that require server upkeep and other shenanigans, but it's kind of crazy to feel like a cash pinata.

I think i should get back to Skyrim lol, it was far cheaper

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Dromede wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

verenkutoja wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

It's nothing new . People will need to decide now to be staying or just move on . I'm staying but said my peace here . If pay to win creeps in then probably I move on too . If not this will be another obstacle in the game that was unpleasant and not well received by most . We have had to cope before with other decisions out of Our control so this is nothing new . Just leaves bad taste in my mouth seeing friends here leaving soon .

Yeah, the sad thing is.. the way you would like to see a company run, honest, and actually listening to player feedback is not the way that an mmo company is ever run (none except for maybe like and forgive me for this, but RuneScape - Jagex actually legitimately listens to the players and even runs polls in the case of 07scape to decide what goes into the game) - Most of the mmo companies are under the impression that they just need to add whatever is 'cost effective' at the time in order to maximize profits.

The funny thing is that I think by such hamfisted business practices they actually in the process of both alienating their supporting player base and creating a bad reputation for themselves manage to hurt their bottom line in the end.

I actually quit about a week after the 12 month senche mount were released for a little over a year and only recently came back, I quit mostly because of the fact that Zenimax have outright lied on a number of different occasions and displayed an absolute unwillingness to listen to their player base virtually at all. That just does not rub me the right way, I mean.. I supported this game from its beta and for myself and others like me who were loyal to be shoved aside and basically put in a corner and treated as if we do not matter? Yeah, no.

The recent trends have started to remind me more of Star Wars Galaxies and Sony Online Entertainment during the CU and NGE period of the game, when before they added each they kept telling the player base "this is what you said you wanted!" and they player base responded with a strong "No, its absolutely not. No one ever asked for this and if you add it, we will quit!" and SOE kept insisting "But you will like it, you asked for it, this is what people want" as if their insistence somehow made it true, then they added it, and basically everyone just up and left because it were just so ridiculous.

This is basically the same thing. Over 50% of this poll says no, they are not wanted under any circumstance. That is currently the opinion leading, but will Zenimax listen? No, probably not.

To these big companies all us players are just numbers, not people. We represent a bottom line.

And customer retention as well as game quality have become a thing of the past, especially with the game industry discovering that they could do things like make people pay money to play an early beta of something (which they used to pay other people to do since testing the game and reporting bugs is a job) and release half finished work and sell it as a full finished work with barely any QA at all.

There are plenty of players out there that they believe will come to the ESO after you or I may leave due to this, they literally do not care about customer retention at all.. and to be honest, its kind of sad and it really does the opposite of what they are aiming to do. They are ultimately just destroying their own game and by proxy, their theoretically 'maximized profit'

Back in the day you made a product, and because patches were not a thing, you did it right the friggin' first time.

Back in the day, the customer was allways right instead of being an invisible number.

They dont make 'em like they used to anymore. I didn't think I'd be saying that until my 60's.

I'm really someone else said it That's the way i feel about most games now, and i'm just in my 20s! I made my peace with Dlc purchases, especially for online games that require server upkeep and other shenanigans, but it's kind of crazy to feel like a cash pinata.

I think i should get back to Skyrim lol, it was far cheaper

If you are on PC and have all Skyrim DLCs or the legendary edition you will get the new one for free anyway - for free. Even that is a Zenimax company as well. Or play Nuka World DLC for Fallout 4 - just came out and is just freaking awesome, especially when played in survival mode - but you need a higher level, I got in at level 42, but it was freaking hard in survival.

Edit: given that the season pass was less 30€ - and we got DLCs for about 70€, that shows, that not every Zenimax company has to be greedy.

Uriel_Nocturne

No, don't ever add these into the game.

By the Gods... Please, no...

Unfortunately though, the only way to get an MMO development/publishing company to listen to your concerns is to buy a quite sizable amount of stock in said company...

If you don't take that path, you're just shouting into a hurricane.

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z4ZipKdI1sY

phreatophile

No, don't ever add these into the game.

If the odds of getting a desirable item are very low, these will be seen by most as a source of really inferior consumables.

Nobody wants to use really inferior consumables. That's when we have to worry about non utility/cosmetic items showing up.

My bet would be tempers first, those are a consumable if they choose to see them as such.

This is a bad call for ZOS, they will never wash the stink of these gamble boxes off.

Esquire1980g_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

verenkutoja wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

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Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

It's nothing new . People will need to decide now to be staying or just move on . I'm staying but said my peace here . If pay to win creeps in then probably I move on too . If not this will be another obstacle in the game that was unpleasant and not well received by most . We have had to cope before with other decisions out of Our control so this is nothing new . Just leaves bad taste in my mouth seeing friends here leaving soon .

Yeah, the sad thing is.. the way you would like to see a company run, honest, and actually listening to player feedback is not the way that an mmo company is ever run (none except for maybe like and forgive me for this, but RuneScape - Jagex actually legitimately listens to the players and even runs polls in the case of 07scape to decide what goes into the game) - Most of the mmo companies are under the impression that they just need to add whatever is 'cost effective' at the time in order to maximize profits.

The funny thing is that I think by such hamfisted business practices they actually in the process of both alienating their supporting player base and creating a bad reputation for themselves manage to hurt their bottom line in the end.

I actually quit about a week after the 12 month senche mount were released for a little over a year and only recently came back, I quit mostly because of the fact that Zenimax have outright lied on a number of different occasions and displayed an absolute unwillingness to listen to their player base virtually at all. That just does not rub me the right way, I mean.. I supported this game from its beta and for myself and others like me who were loyal to be shoved aside and basically put in a corner and treated as if we do not matter? Yeah, no.

The recent trends have started to remind me more of Star Wars Galaxies and Sony Online Entertainment during the CU and NGE period of the game, when before they added each they kept telling the player base "this is what you said you wanted!" and they player base responded with a strong "No, its absolutely not. No one ever asked for this and if you add it, we will quit!" and SOE kept insisting "But you will like it, you asked for it, this is what people want" as if their insistence somehow made it true, then they added it, and basically everyone just up and left because it were just so ridiculous.

This is basically the same thing. Over 50% of this poll says no, they are not wanted under any circumstance. That is currently the opinion leading, but will Zenimax listen? No, probably not.

To these big companies all us players are just numbers, not people. We represent a bottom line.

And customer retention as well as game quality have become a thing of the past, especially with the game industry discovering that they could do things like make people pay money to play an early beta of something (which they used to pay other people to do since testing the game and reporting bugs is a job) and release half finished work and sell it as a full finished work with barely any QA at all.

There are plenty of players out there that they believe will come to the ESO after you or I may leave due to this, they literally do not care about customer retention at all.. and to be honest, its kind of sad and it really does the opposite of what they are aiming to do. They are ultimately just destroying their own game and by proxy, their theoretically 'maximized profit'

I believe somewhere around 20 pages ago, I made the SWG/ESO comparison. If you remember right, SOE told us we were "overreacting" and basic stupid also. I have to admit that this thread brings back a boat-load of memories, mostly all not so great.

The comparison is pretty amazing tho. The NGE........, uhhhh......., Tam1 is going to bring in 100s of thousands of new subs, soooo many that existing subs just don't matter any longer. "So what if they all leave, we'll get more" and after that, when it don't work out, we'll just blame it on the advertising that failed".

But like SOE, I would imagine that ZOS won't be happy either, until they've lost 2/3rds of their playerbase as well. But then, they can hire Lorin Jameson (Deadmeat) to do a vid on MMORPG.com telling everyone they've learned their lesson and then do it all again with "the Chapter 6 Combat Downgrade" (or in this case, Lockbox 2.0 that includes MAX stats for ANY toon that wears them). Of course he'll jump ship just before the game goes on maintenance mode with just 2 devs left.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JimT722 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

The majority of players over all forms of social media, these forums and in game do not want this, yet I am betting they will still put them in. GG

Of course they will. Our only hope of getting rid of them is they don't sell. Unfortunately, they probably will sell. It's kinda sad they don't listen to their players, but they made it very clear they aren't listening to our arguments.

The potions and food never sold... At all. I bet had the potions and food sold, we wouldn't be seeing these cash boxes. We should've just let them make the pots and food a little better than crafted stuff. I'd more happy with people buying slightly better pots and food than I would with cosmetics locked behind gambling...

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

nimander99 wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

The majority of players over all forms of social media, these forums and in game do not want this, yet I am betting they will still put them in. GG

Of course they will. Our only hope of getting rid of them is they don't sell. Unfortunately, they probably will sell. It's kinda sad they don't listen to their players, but they made it very clear they aren't listening to our arguments.

The potions and food never sold... At all. I bet had the potions and food sold, we wouldn't be seeing these cash boxes. We should've just let them make the pots and food a little better than crafted stuff. I'd more happy with people buying slightly better pots and food than I would with cosmetics locked behind gambling...

But that's the definition of pay to win...

Doctordarkspawn

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Dromede wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

verenkutoja wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

It's nothing new . People will need to decide now to be staying or just move on . I'm staying but said my peace here . If pay to win creeps in then probably I move on too . If not this will be another obstacle in the game that was unpleasant and not well received by most . We have had to cope before with other decisions out of Our control so this is nothing new . Just leaves bad taste in my mouth seeing friends here leaving soon .

Yeah, the sad thing is.. the way you would like to see a company run, honest, and actually listening to player feedback is not the way that an mmo company is ever run (none except for maybe like and forgive me for this, but RuneScape - Jagex actually legitimately listens to the players and even runs polls in the case of 07scape to decide what goes into the game) - Most of the mmo companies are under the impression that they just need to add whatever is 'cost effective' at the time in order to maximize profits.

The funny thing is that I think by such hamfisted business practices they actually in the process of both alienating their supporting player base and creating a bad reputation for themselves manage to hurt their bottom line in the end.

I actually quit about a week after the 12 month senche mount were released for a little over a year and only recently came back, I quit mostly because of the fact that Zenimax have outright lied on a number of different occasions and displayed an absolute unwillingness to listen to their player base virtually at all. That just does not rub me the right way, I mean.. I supported this game from its beta and for myself and others like me who were loyal to be shoved aside and basically put in a corner and treated as if we do not matter? Yeah, no.

The recent trends have started to remind me more of Star Wars Galaxies and Sony Online Entertainment during the CU and NGE period of the game, when before they added each they kept telling the player base "this is what you said you wanted!" and they player base responded with a strong "No, its absolutely not. No one ever asked for this and if you add it, we will quit!" and SOE kept insisting "But you will like it, you asked for it, this is what people want" as if their insistence somehow made it true, then they added it, and basically everyone just up and left because it were just so ridiculous.

This is basically the same thing. Over 50% of this poll says no, they are not wanted under any circumstance. That is currently the opinion leading, but will Zenimax listen? No, probably not.

To these big companies all us players are just numbers, not people. We represent a bottom line.

And customer retention as well as game quality have become a thing of the past, especially with the game industry discovering that they could do things like make people pay money to play an early beta of something (which they used to pay other people to do since testing the game and reporting bugs is a job) and release half finished work and sell it as a full finished work with barely any QA at all.

There are plenty of players out there that they believe will come to the ESO after you or I may leave due to this, they literally do not care about customer retention at all.. and to be honest, its kind of sad and it really does the opposite of what they are aiming to do. They are ultimately just destroying their own game and by proxy, their theoretically 'maximized profit'

Back in the day you made a product, and because patches were not a thing, you did it right the friggin' first time.

Back in the day, the customer was allways right instead of being an invisible number.

They dont make 'em like they used to anymore. I didn't think I'd be saying that until my 60's.

I'm really glad someone else said it That's the way i feel about most games now, and i'm just in my 20s! I made my peace with Dlc purchases, especially for online games that require server upkeep and other shenanigans, but it's kind of crazy to feel like a cash pinata.

I think i should get back to Skyrim lol, it was far cheaper

I bought new vegas and fallout 3 for my xbox one a while ago, been having a blast. At least they cant taint -some- things. Now I'm just waiting for Oblivion to come to it, and I'll be in heaven.

starkerealm

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

Doctordarkspawn wrote: »

verenkutoja wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

Thread is pointless now . ZOS went to a different website to address concerns avoiding their own forums . They will not be taking feedback in opposition here .

Is this something new, or just a comment about articles that have been already linked?

It's nothing new . People will need to decide now to be staying or just move on . I'm staying but said my peace here . If pay to win creeps in then probably I move on too . If not this will be another obstacle in the game that was unpleasant and not well received by most . We have had to cope before with other decisions out of Our control so this is nothing new . Just leaves bad taste in my mouth seeing friends here leaving soon .

Yeah, the sad thing is.. the way you would like to see a company run, honest, and actually listening to player feedback is not the way that an mmo company is ever run (none except for maybe like and forgive me for this, but RuneScape - Jagex actually legitimately listens to the players and even runs polls in the case of 07scape to decide what goes into the game) - Most of the mmo companies are under the impression that they just need to add whatever is 'cost effective' at the time in order to maximize profits.

The funny thing is that I think by such hamfisted business practices they actually in the process of both alienating their supporting player base and creating a bad reputation for themselves manage to hurt their bottom line in the end.

I actually quit about a week after the 12 month senche mount were released for a little over a year and only recently came back, I quit mostly because of the fact that Zenimax have outright lied on a number of different occasions and displayed an absolute unwillingness to listen to their player base virtually at all. That just does not rub me the right way, I mean.. I supported this game from its beta and for myself and others like me who were loyal to be shoved aside and basically put in a corner and treated as if we do not matter? Yeah, no.

The recent trends have started to remind me more of Star Wars Galaxies and Sony Online Entertainment during the CU and NGE period of the game, when before they added each they kept telling the player base "this is what you said you wanted!" and they player base responded with a strong "No, its absolutely not. No one ever asked for this and if you add it, we will quit!" and SOE kept insisting "But you will like it, you asked for it, this is what people want" as if their insistence somehow made it true, then they added it, and basically everyone just up and left because it were just so ridiculous.

This is basically the same thing. Over 50% of this poll says no, they are not wanted under any circumstance. That is currently the opinion leading, but will Zenimax listen? No, probably not.

To these big companies all us players are just numbers, not people. We represent a bottom line.

And customer retention as well as game quality have become a thing of the past, especially with the game industry discovering that they could do things like make people pay money to play an early beta of something (which they used to pay other people to do since testing the game and reporting bugs is a job) and release half finished work and sell it as a full finished work with barely any QA at all.

There are plenty of players out there that they believe will come to the ESO after you or I may leave due to this, they literally do not care about customer retention at all.. and to be honest, its kind of sad and it really does the opposite of what they are aiming to do. They are ultimately just destroying their own game and by proxy, their theoretically 'maximized profit'

Back in the day you made a product, and because patches were not a thing, you did it right the friggin' first time.

Back in the day, the customer was allways right instead of being an invisible number.

They dont make 'em like they used to anymore. I didn't think I'd be saying that until my 60's.

I'm really someone else said it That's the way i feel about most games now, and i'm just in my 20s! I made my peace with Dlc purchases, especially for online games that require server upkeep and other shenanigans, but it's kind of crazy to feel like a cash pinata.

I think i should get back to Skyrim lol, it was far cheaper

If you are on PC and have all Skyrim DLCs or the legendary edition you will get the new one for free anyway - for free. Even that is a Zenimax company as well. Or play Nuka World DLC for Fallout 4 - just came out and is just freaking awesome, especially when played in survival mode - but you need a higher level, I got in at level 42, but it was freaking hard in survival.

Edit: given that the season pass was less 30€ - and we got DLCs for about 70€, that shows, that not every Zenimax company has to be greedy.

Yeah, I've been running around that on a level 70, on normal. Still irked by survival mode's save system, though I did finally see more beds in Nuka World. Almost like they should have considered the save on rest only system before designing the game, instead of bolting it on after the fact.

arasysb14_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

People usually like the fact that in MMOs players can build their character over time. It requires commitment, and adaptability to changes to the game. It's usually different from single player RPG experience, because players expect continuation of content and entertaining experience for years (like DLCs, Expansion packs or player events, or dynamic sandbox elements).

Considering ZOS' response, and how things have taken been care of for years; I guess it is safe to assume further monetizing and butchering the game's potential might be inevitable. In other words, this topic is not just about introduction of bad practices with questionable ethics, but it is also about how ZOS will manage the rest of the game's upcoming content with these obvious signs.

At this point a lot of players are probably weighing how ZOS' overall decision making is going to impact their entertainment to see if they want to continue playing or not. MMOs require commitment, but if the game doesn't offer a good near future potential, people initially start lurking on the forums more often, then realize forums became more entertaining than the game; and finally either quit or take a break. At least that has been my experience with other mmos for over 15 years. Right now I am thinking about whether if I should take a break till they introduce housing, or if housing will turnout like how barbershop did (a static menu with static changes marketed as new content). Like my very few remaining ESO friends, I can't justify putting more time into a game that's almost surely headed towards further frustration.

I don't want to worry about where the game is headed when Im playing an MMO, in fact I would rather pay every month and expect gaming company to offer quality content with minimal amount of bugs like successful titles have been doing for years. I have spent enough amount of money for sub, imperial edition, a dlc purchase, and enough time to offer constructive feedback but in return I played most buggy MMO I have seen in 15 years. I have given all sorts of feedback, yet received automated bs. It's not like I came to forums to bash the game or ZOS.

I honestly came to forums to see if there's any enjoyable longevity left in ESO because I started playing this game hoping I can play it as long as I played UO, Asheron's Call 1, and WoW. During these 3 years (including beta), it feels like I have been playing a hero engine mmo with TES skin.

ESO's financing should have never came down to cheap marketing strategies that harm its brand image. Knowing there will be TES VI in 2-3 years, ZOS will certainly milk what content left to publish with lackluster questing and content while milking crown store through new and casual players, who will stick around only for few months.Loyal players? hah who cares about us suckers. .

In cases like this, they don't even need to delve deep into analytics to understand their customers' behavior, they got forums and other places where they can simply read how we feel. This response we are (not) getting is a solid indicator of what to expect form ZOS. There are good reasons why this game doesn't have a lot of long time players left.
I will remember ESO as Wasted Potential Online for years..

JKith

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I really don't like this. Don't feel it adds anything good to the game.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Dromede wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

The majority of players over all forms of social media, these forums and in game do not want this, yet I am betting they will still put them in. GG

Of course they will. Our only hope of getting rid of them is they don't sell. Unfortunately, they probably will sell. It's kinda sad they don't listen to their players, but they made it very clear they aren't listening to our arguments.

The potions and food never sold... At all. I bet had the potions and food sold, we wouldn't be seeing these cash boxes. We should've just let them make the pots and food a little better than crafted stuff. I'd more happy with people buying slightly better pots and food than I would with cosmetics locked behind gambling...

But that's the definition of pay to win...

I don't disagree, I just find stupid food and pots that are slightly better less offensive than what we are getting.

Dromede

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

nimander99 wrote: »

Dromede wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

JimT722 wrote: »

laced wrote: »

The majority of players over all forms of social media, these forums and in game do not want this, yet I am betting they will still put them in. GG

Of course they will. Our only hope of getting rid of them is they don't sell. Unfortunately, they probably will sell. It's kinda sad they don't listen to their players, but they made it very clear they aren't listening to our arguments.

The potions and food never sold... At all. I bet had the potions and food sold, we wouldn't be seeing these cash boxes. We should've just let them make the pots and food a little better than crafted stuff. I'd more happy with people buying slightly better pots and food than I would with cosmetics locked behind gambling...

But that's the definition of pay to win...

I don't disagree, I just find stupid food and pots that are slightly better less offensive than what we are getting.

Idk, i have very mixed feelings about both. Between gambling and p2w i don't know what's better, or to be precise, what's less worse

Let's just hope that both system don't make it into the game at the same time