starkerealm wrote: »I have never seen this happen in a game that does this. The random boxes become a huge money maker and why focus on anything else. Its what makes the money. The last game I played they updated the game maybe once a year. What they did update monthly was the random crates. Look at all the new cosmetics you can fork money over for a slight chance to win. They will focus their attention mainly on what makes them money. If you like gambling to play dress up in Tamriel this is a good direction. For everyone else it isn't. If no one bought these scam crates they would end up in the store for a flat price.I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.
Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.
Well u can look at it from a positive pt of view, they will have enough revenue to hire ppl and fix the dam game
Hell, we've already seen that with ESO. Notice that there's a new, "limited time" mount and costume every month? Notice how there's not consistent bug fixes for stuff that's been vexing people for ages? Does the group finder work? I don't know, but the Panda mount is in the shop right on schedule.
Its working great for other games
So why should ZOS miss out on the money? They should max their profit in every way possible.
anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion..
Do you realize that One Tamriel changes basic core game mechanics for the entire game ? Therefore it has to be a compulsory update, not an optional one, and a compulsory update CANNOT be "sold". It has to be free.
How come? They sell the base game alright. Pay or go away.
Granted, selling compulsory update would generate some rage threads and bad press, but hey, players would eventually shut up and pay, as they always do, after all, their characters, mounts and costumes would be at stake, and bad press is still free ad for One Tamriel. Matt should seriously consider it!
That would be the deathstroke for this game. That mentality is the parasite the gaming industry could do without.
SantieClaws wrote: »Khajiit thinks perhaps a farming analogy is apt here yes?
You have the cow. If the cow is happy and eating the delicious green grass then the cow she gives you milk. You turn this into the delicious cheese and then you eat the cake of the cheese until you can stand up no more.
If you want more milk then you could get more cows? When all the cows see how happy your cow she is then all the cows they come to you and you have so much milk you can now have butter on your cheesecake.
Or you can beat the cow, make her miserable, make the other cows run away. You get more milk for a little while but then your cow you find her hooves up in the field and there is no more milk for khajiit. Ah khajiit she misses the cheesecake!
You understand now why khajiit she is no farmer.
Yours with cheesecake paws
Santie Claws
The only reason I would support the "yes, but only cosmetic" option would be for people to still theoretically have access to retired items no longer available through other means.
Personally I don't care about that kind of stuff anyways... I'm a subscriber to the game (at the moment, the monthly payment plan) and I currently have 9,300 crowns that I haven't even spent yet because I simply don't care about mounts, pets, cosmetics, etc.
I check the store once in a while just to see if there is anything I'd care to spend this on, but I never see anything. I might open just one of these boxes for the hell of it, but I'm almost positive I won't care about anything that comes out of it.
But whatever, that's just me. I'll never understand people's desire to spend real-life money just to make different pixels appear on their imaginary character in a game...
Oh, I also just want to point out that well over 90% of all people so far either don't want these at all (over half) or only want them if they don't give any game advantage.
NINTY. PERCENT.
Listen up, ZoS.
SantieClaws wrote: »Khajiit thinks perhaps a farming analogy is apt here yes?
You have the cow. If the cow is happy and eating the delicious green grass then the cow she gives you milk. You turn this into the delicious cheese and then you eat the cake of the cheese until you can stand up no more.
If you want more milk then you could get more cows? When all the cows see how happy your cow she is then all the cows they come to you and you have so much milk you can now have butter on your cheesecake.
Or you can beat the cow, make her miserable, make the other cows run away. You get more milk for a little while but then your cow you find her hooves up in the field and there is no more milk for khajiit. Ah khajiit she misses the cheesecake!
You understand now why khajiit she is no farmer.
Yours with cheesecake paws
Santie Claws
The only reason I would support the "yes, but only cosmetic" option would be for people to still theoretically have access to retired items no longer available through other means.
Personally I don't care about that kind of stuff anyways... I'm a subscriber to the game (at the moment, the monthly payment plan) and I currently have 9,300 crowns that I haven't even spent yet because I simply don't care about mounts, pets, cosmetics, etc.
I check the store once in a while just to see if there is anything I'd care to spend this on, but I never see anything. I might open just one of these boxes for the hell of it, but I'm almost positive I won't care about anything that comes out of it.
But whatever, that's just me. I'll never understand people's desire to spend real-life money just to make different pixels appear on their imaginary character in a game...
Oh, I also just want to point out that well over 90% of all people so far either don't want these at all (over half) or only want them if they don't give any game advantage.
NINTY. PERCENT.
Listen up, ZoS.
The_Undefined wrote: »Pretty typical how they're trying to shift all the focus onto the dueling and the rest of the update while waiting for this thread to die.
Little did they know, the community actually seriously cares about this. I mean, I don't know what else to hope for other than a patch or a compromise with the boxes in a couple years once their sales go down and subs begin to run out. Our luck they'll start putting in P2W items.
Super disheartening to see how people's opinions keep getting closed and shushed away to this dark corner of the forums where they ignore players. I honestly don't know what they could say though, so I get that's a bit unreasonable for me to say as a player, but the outcry is pretty massive as seen with the votes and this thread.
The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
...So.
We shouldn't base our conclusions on something we have watched happen not once, not twice, but above like ten times from previously good companies? We shouldn't hold them to their word, and draw conclusions based on what we know to have happened?
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, good luck to you. I find that a trusting attitude but your welcome to it. But dont call me paranoid for thinking the sun will rise in the same direction it allways did just because this day feels different.
Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
lordrichter wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
I am sure a lot of people feel that way. Myself included.
I know I would feel a lot more secure regarding what they say today if they were better at upholding what they have said in the past.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
...So.
We shouldn't base our conclusions on something we have watched happen not once, not twice, but above like ten times from previously good companies? We shouldn't hold them to their word, and draw conclusions based on what we know to have happened?
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, good luck to you. I find that a trusting attitude but your welcome to it. But dont call me paranoid for thinking the sun will rise in the same direction it allways did just because this day feels different.
I find it as a trusting attitude too. I won't condemn a company based on what another company did in the past. I will only condemn ZoS and walk away if THEY fail me - not if a company two years ago failed me and I'm afraid to ever trust again...
Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
...So.
We shouldn't base our conclusions on something we have watched happen not once, not twice, but above like ten times from previously good companies? We shouldn't hold them to their word, and draw conclusions based on what we know to have happened?
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, good luck to you. I find that a trusting attitude but your welcome to it. But dont call me paranoid for thinking the sun will rise in the same direction it allways did just because this day feels different.
I find it as a trusting attitude too. I won't condemn a company based on what another company did in the past. I will only condemn ZoS and walk away if THEY fail me - not if a company two years ago failed me and I'm afraid to ever trust again...
You say that as if paranoia isn't warrented.
Like I said, your free to your opinions, but dont mock me for caution when it comes to a corporate entitiy.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
...So.
We shouldn't base our conclusions on something we have watched happen not once, not twice, but above like ten times from previously good companies? We shouldn't hold them to their word, and draw conclusions based on what we know to have happened?
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, good luck to you. I find that a trusting attitude but your welcome to it. But dont call me paranoid for thinking the sun will rise in the same direction it allways did just because this day feels different.
I find it as a trusting attitude too. I won't condemn a company based on what another company did in the past. I will only condemn ZoS and walk away if THEY fail me - not if a company two years ago failed me and I'm afraid to ever trust again...
You say that as if paranoia isn't warrented.
Like I said, your free to your opinions, but dont mock me for caution when it comes to a corporate entitiy.
No one was mocking you, but it's hard after this statement to not think there is a bit of paranoia. You are condemning a company before they have done anything wrong based on what a different company did in the past. How would you define paranoia?
Bouldercleave wrote: »You and I both know that doesn't apply here as we are talking about completely different companies.
Now I know for a fact that you are just baiting.