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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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elvenmad✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.starkerealm wrote: »
I have never seen this happen in a game that does this. The random boxes become a huge money maker and why focus on anything else. Its what makes the money. The last game I played they updated the game maybe once a year. What they did update monthly was the random crates. Look at all the new cosmetics you can fork money over for a slight chance to win. They will focus their attention mainly on what makes them money. If you like gambling to play dress up in Tamriel this is a good direction. For everyone else it isn't. If no one bought these scam crates they would end up in the store for a flat price.I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.
Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.
Well u can look at it from a positive pt of view, they will have enough revenue to hire ppl and fix the dam game
Hell, we've already seen that with ESO. Notice that there's a new, "limited time" mount and costume every month? Notice how there's not consistent bug fixes for stuff that's been vexing people for ages? Does the group finder work? I don't know, but the Panda mount is in the shop right on schedule.
Its working great for other games
So why should ZOS miss out on the money? They should max their profit in every way possible.
Most of the other games out there that use the RNG loot box system are F2P, they have no income they rely 100% on micro transactions, cosmetic cash shop and rng boxes for any and all income.
While here with ZoS, hell you have to buy the game just to post on the forums ! you have to buy the game just to make a character, then all their games content is split with some zones and even end game dungeons in DLC areas again which you have to buy.
The introduction of these boxes to this game is like they are wanting to be B2P but super greedy and adopt the income strategies of all F2P games, you can't be both and be fair but they are certainly trying it.
And another thing this is a B2P game, but how come most of it is broken and full of issues, we pay for a working game, theres player on some formats who are paying subs or purchased DLCs and are being told by support to keep out of areas they paid for because of game issues !! (Wrothgar) How wrong is that, and that's not new its been like that awhile.
Although yes I know bug fixers etc are a different team but nothing goes wrong with shop stuff and its always updated on time, IMO shop team should be reduced in staff and increase the staff who fix the game because its getting ridiculous how much is broken and bugged, the game should come first not the shop, players come to the game for the game NOT the shop, and currently players are leaving the game because its broken.
Edited by elvenmad on August 27, 2016 1:35PM< PC - EU >3 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmeticsanitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion..
Do you realize that One Tamriel changes basic core game mechanics for the entire game ? Therefore it has to be a compulsory update, not an optional one, and a compulsory update CANNOT be "sold". It has to be free.
How come? They sell the base game alright. Pay or go away.
Granted, selling compulsory update would generate some rage threads and bad press, but hey, players would eventually shut up and pay, as they always do, after all, their characters, mounts and costumes would be at stake, and bad press is still free ad for One Tamriel. Matt should seriously consider it!
That would be the deathstroke for this game. That mentality is the parasite the gaming industry could do without.
Nah. It would be like "optional" updates/DLCs minus the dishonest part with pretending they are optional.
But, talking about updates, Matt should also consider extorting money for not rolling out updates, heck, even for rolling them back. I feel that would be genuinely popular with the player base.1 -
SantieClaws✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gambleKhajiit thinks perhaps a farming analogy is apt here yes?
You have the cow. If the cow is happy and eating the delicious green grass then the cow she gives you milk. You turn this into the delicious cheese and then you eat the cake of the cheese until you can stand up no more.
If you want more milk then you could get more cows? When all the cows see how happy your cow she is then all the cows they come to you and you have so much milk you can now have butter on your cheesecake.
Or you can beat the cow, make her miserable, make the other cows run away. You get more milk for a little while but then your cow you find her hooves up in the field and there is no more milk for khajiit. Ah khajiit she misses the cheesecake!
You understand now why khajiit she is no farmer.
Yours with cheesecake paws
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Dahveed✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsThe only reason I would support the "yes, but only cosmetic" option would be for people to still theoretically have access to retired items no longer available through other means.
Personally I don't care about that kind of stuff anyways... I'm a subscriber to the game (at the moment, the monthly payment plan) and I currently have 9,300 crowns that I haven't even spent yet because I simply don't care about mounts, pets, cosmetics, etc.
I check the store once in a while just to see if there is anything I'd care to spend this on, but I never see anything. I might open just one of these boxes for the hell of it, but I'm almost positive I won't care about anything that comes out of it.
But whatever, that's just me. I'll never understand people's desire to spend real-life money just to make different pixels appear on their imaginary character in a game...
Oh, I also just want to point out that well over 90% of all people so far either don't want these at all (over half) or only want them if they don't give any game advantage.
NINTY. PERCENT.
Listen up, ZoS.Edited by Dahveed on August 27, 2016 4:32PM2 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.SantieClaws wrote: »Khajiit thinks perhaps a farming analogy is apt here yes?
You have the cow. If the cow is happy and eating the delicious green grass then the cow she gives you milk. You turn this into the delicious cheese and then you eat the cake of the cheese until you can stand up no more.
If you want more milk then you could get more cows? When all the cows see how happy your cow she is then all the cows they come to you and you have so much milk you can now have butter on your cheesecake.
Or you can beat the cow, make her miserable, make the other cows run away. You get more milk for a little while but then your cow you find her hooves up in the field and there is no more milk for khajiit. Ah khajiit she misses the cheesecake!
You understand now why khajiit she is no farmer.
Yours with cheesecake paws
Santie Claws
Yes the cow she eats the grass, she is happy, she produces milk, etc.
The problems are :
- The cow eats grass quicker than the grass grows. The cow always wants "new" and "more", otherwise she will go eat your neighbour's grass (and the neighbour will have the milk, the cheesecake, the butter and everything, not you). You have to create and grow new grass all the time. If you give the cow the same grass for too long, she will stop making milk. Cow is highly grass-sensitive.
- Also, if you change the grass to keep the cows happy, it always happens that many cows complain about the new grass and are not happy about it. Sometimes they even want the old grass back - forgetting that they were complaining about the old grass too.
- Also, the grass isn't yours, it's your grandmother's grass and she wants a big share of the milk. The grandmother she loves the milk. If she doesn't get enough milk she threatens all the time to give the grass parcel to someone else who has other sorts of cows to feed and milk. Also, the more cows you have, the more grass you need and the more land you need to beg for from your grandmother - and the more milk she wants from you in return.
So yes I understand why khajiit she is not a farmer. I am sure khajiit prefers ready-made cheesecake in fresh pockets.
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Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsKill cow. Make burgers.
The only reason I would support the "yes, but only cosmetic" option would be for people to still theoretically have access to retired items no longer available through other means.
Personally I don't care about that kind of stuff anyways... I'm a subscriber to the game (at the moment, the monthly payment plan) and I currently have 9,300 crowns that I haven't even spent yet because I simply don't care about mounts, pets, cosmetics, etc.
I check the store once in a while just to see if there is anything I'd care to spend this on, but I never see anything. I might open just one of these boxes for the hell of it, but I'm almost positive I won't care about anything that comes out of it.
But whatever, that's just me. I'll never understand people's desire to spend real-life money just to make different pixels appear on their imaginary character in a game...
Oh, I also just want to point out that well over 90% of all people so far either don't want these at all (over half) or only want them if they don't give any game advantage.
NINTY. PERCENT.
Listen up, ZoS.
Pretty much where I am. I have a lot of Crowns, but really, the quality of the stuff, relative price of the Crowns I have to spend to get it, is not exactly knocking my socks off.0 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.SantieClaws wrote: »Khajiit thinks perhaps a farming analogy is apt here yes?
You have the cow. If the cow is happy and eating the delicious green grass then the cow she gives you milk. You turn this into the delicious cheese and then you eat the cake of the cheese until you can stand up no more.
If you want more milk then you could get more cows? When all the cows see how happy your cow she is then all the cows they come to you and you have so much milk you can now have butter on your cheesecake.
Or you can beat the cow, make her miserable, make the other cows run away. You get more milk for a little while but then your cow you find her hooves up in the field and there is no more milk for khajiit. Ah khajiit she misses the cheesecake!
You understand now why khajiit she is no farmer.
Yours with cheesecake paws
Santie Claws
Great stuff. Unfortunately the farmer thinks the cows are overreacting. He is saying they should be happy just to be on the farm and they are his to milk in the manner he sees fit. This farmer knows over half of his cows are unhappy but will do it anyway0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.The only reason I would support the "yes, but only cosmetic" option would be for people to still theoretically have access to retired items no longer available through other means.
Personally I don't care about that kind of stuff anyways... I'm a subscriber to the game (at the moment, the monthly payment plan) and I currently have 9,300 crowns that I haven't even spent yet because I simply don't care about mounts, pets, cosmetics, etc.
I check the store once in a while just to see if there is anything I'd care to spend this on, but I never see anything. I might open just one of these boxes for the hell of it, but I'm almost positive I won't care about anything that comes out of it.
But whatever, that's just me. I'll never understand people's desire to spend real-life money just to make different pixels appear on their imaginary character in a game...
Oh, I also just want to point out that well over 90% of all people so far either don't want these at all (over half) or only want them if they don't give any game advantage.
NINTY. PERCENT.
Listen up, ZoS.
why would you want to open a box - it has nothing in it, what you didn't deem unworthy before. The "super special mount" is so far just an idea, not a reality. Matt said, they will put something like this eventually in those boxes - eventually.0 -
The_Undefined✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Pretty typical how they're trying to shift all the focus onto the dueling and the rest of the update while waiting for this thread to die.
Little did they know, the community actually seriously cares about this. I mean, I don't know what else to hope for other than a patch or a compromise with the boxes in a couple years once their sales go down and subs begin to run out. Our luck they'll start putting in P2W items.
Super disheartening to see how people's opinions keep getting closed and shushed away to this dark corner of the forums where they ignore players. I honestly don't know what they could say though, so I get that's a bit unreasonable for me to say as a player, but the outcry is pretty massive as seen with the votes and this thread.
The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."Edited by The_Undefined on August 27, 2016 6:36PM6 -
Paparoski✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.The_Undefined wrote: »Pretty typical how they're trying to shift all the focus onto the dueling and the rest of the update while waiting for this thread to die.
Little did they know, the community actually seriously cares about this. I mean, I don't know what else to hope for other than a patch or a compromise with the boxes in a couple years once their sales go down and subs begin to run out. Our luck they'll start putting in P2W items.
Super disheartening to see how people's opinions keep getting closed and shushed away to this dark corner of the forums where they ignore players. I honestly don't know what they could say though, so I get that's a bit unreasonable for me to say as a player, but the outcry is pretty massive as seen with the votes and this thread.
The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Agreed, this is a problem"When the snows fall and the white winds blow, the lone wolf dies but the pack survives." – Eddard Stark1 -
FireCowCommando✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.Edited by FireCowCommando on August 27, 2016 6:59PM1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsFireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Yup. From their perspective, even though they are implementing an RNG Box (contrary to what they said last year), it is not the "evil" version of the RNG box. They don't seem to understand why people would be reluctant to believe them when they say that it is not going to turn evil. People have been told the same thing in other games.
"Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."2 -
WhiteCoatSyndrome✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I wonder, could we try e-mailing the company management directly? I suspect they're the reason we're getting this, after all, and at the very least it would make our protests harder to ignore.#proud2BAStarObsessedLoony
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Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsFireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.5 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
...So.
We shouldn't base our conclusions on something we have watched happen not once, not twice, but above like ten times from previously good companies? We shouldn't hold them to their word, and draw conclusions based on what we know to have happened?
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, good luck to you. I find that a trusting attitude but your welcome to it. But dont call me paranoid for thinking the sun will rise in the same direction it allways did just because this day feels different.5 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
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Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
...So.
We shouldn't base our conclusions on something we have watched happen not once, not twice, but above like ten times from previously good companies? We shouldn't hold them to their word, and draw conclusions based on what we know to have happened?
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, good luck to you. I find that a trusting attitude but your welcome to it. But dont call me paranoid for thinking the sun will rise in the same direction it allways did just because this day feels different.
I find it as a trusting attitude too. I won't condemn a company based on what another company did in the past. I will only condemn ZoS and walk away if THEY fail me - not if a company two years ago failed me and I'm afraid to ever trust again...2 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsBouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
I am sure a lot of people feel that way. Myself included.
I know I would feel a lot more secure regarding what they say today if they were better at upholding what they have said in the past.
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Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticslordrichter wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
I am sure a lot of people feel that way. Myself included.
I know I would feel a lot more secure regarding what they say today if they were better at upholding what they have said in the past.
As would I, but if I never forgave anyone that ever went back on anything that they said to me, I would be in one lonely place.
I personally have made statements that later I had to change or flat out recant. As I think we all have at some point in our lives.1 -
Doctordarkspawn✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Bouldercleave wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
...So.
We shouldn't base our conclusions on something we have watched happen not once, not twice, but above like ten times from previously good companies? We shouldn't hold them to their word, and draw conclusions based on what we know to have happened?
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, good luck to you. I find that a trusting attitude but your welcome to it. But dont call me paranoid for thinking the sun will rise in the same direction it allways did just because this day feels different.
I find it as a trusting attitude too. I won't condemn a company based on what another company did in the past. I will only condemn ZoS and walk away if THEY fail me - not if a company two years ago failed me and I'm afraid to ever trust again...
You say that as if paranoia isn't warrented.
Like I said, your free to your opinions, but dont mock me for caution when it comes to a corporate entitiy.2 -
Wow✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.ZOS is a company, not your hero. They exist for the sake of money in your wallet. They mean business.
At first they were subscription based. http://www.gamestar.de/spiele/the-elder-scrolls-online/artikel/the_elder_scrolls_online,44578,3026853.html
And then subscription system failed, they want more money.
So they dropped into Buy to play with micro transactions. Still they want more money.
So they dropped in Crown RNG Crate, cosmetics + convenience items only.
Not enough money flows? The rain not big enough to fill the thirst? Repeat the process, but next time put more irresistible item to the box. Without you realizing, the game that you love become semi-p2win. And later p2win.
If they are not generating enough money, they will not hesitate to step into Pay 2 Win.
If they were serious about never bringing the game into Pay to Win, they would never take a step or even an inch to RNG boxes at the first place.I'm a Godot Engine and GameMaker enthusiast from the most populated island on earth, Java, Indonesia. Coffee is my staple fuel, and durian is my favourite fruit. I'm currently building a Visual Novel.7 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.It is hard to trust into a system, which is by design made to drain the wallet of players without to have to give them something of value in return for their money. It is hard to trust, when the odds of winning are intentionally hidden to leave players in the dark about what their chances actually are. It is hard to trust, when a company does not have a consistent record of being honest with their customers. It is hard to trust, when they sell items of minor quality at a high price and do not even think about to better it or give a refund. These are all practices, which just do not justify to trust them. If someone wants to be trusted, they have to be trustworthy in the first place - and ZOS is neither showing an honest attitude nor would they care.4 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
...So.
We shouldn't base our conclusions on something we have watched happen not once, not twice, but above like ten times from previously good companies? We shouldn't hold them to their word, and draw conclusions based on what we know to have happened?
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, good luck to you. I find that a trusting attitude but your welcome to it. But dont call me paranoid for thinking the sun will rise in the same direction it allways did just because this day feels different.
I find it as a trusting attitude too. I won't condemn a company based on what another company did in the past. I will only condemn ZoS and walk away if THEY fail me - not if a company two years ago failed me and I'm afraid to ever trust again...
You say that as if paranoia isn't warrented.
Like I said, your free to your opinions, but dont mock me for caution when it comes to a corporate entitiy.
No one was mocking you, but it's hard after this statement to not think there is a bit of paranoia. You are condemning a company before they have done anything wrong based on what a different company did in the past. How would you define paranoia?3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
It's not paranoia in this case, but a quite sane reaction.5 -
Bouldercleave✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsYou and I both know that doesn't apply here as we are talking about completely different companies.
Now I know for a fact that you are just baiting.2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Doing the same thing over and over again - as in "trusting that a gaming company which is introducing these kind of boxes and shows with it, that they have no limits when it comes to how to drain money out of the pockets of costumers, would not do all, to get the most out of their boxes"
and then expect, that they will stop right there - when all evidence with comparable companies points to the contrary.
It does apply here.Edited by Lysette on August 27, 2016 9:04PM3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Bouldercleave wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »FireCowCommando wrote: »The_Undefined wrote: »The least they could say is "We're watching this thread and taking in your opinions."
Incase you missed the article from ZoS on this, they are watching this thread, and they feel the players are over reacting.
Because they are to an enormous degree.
Their fears are based on previous games and a thought process of "maybe it'll happen again, so I'm going to pack up my toys and go home now".
Games evolve and it really doesn't matter that they said a year ago that they had no plans for goodie boxes. Business models change.
I for one am going to give them the benefit of the doubt. When I hear that P2W items are in the boxes instead of consumables and cosmetic items - THAT"S when I will leave. Not because it may happen in the far future.
...So.
We shouldn't base our conclusions on something we have watched happen not once, not twice, but above like ten times from previously good companies? We shouldn't hold them to their word, and draw conclusions based on what we know to have happened?
If you want to give them the benefit of the doubt, good luck to you. I find that a trusting attitude but your welcome to it. But dont call me paranoid for thinking the sun will rise in the same direction it allways did just because this day feels different.
I find it as a trusting attitude too. I won't condemn a company based on what another company did in the past. I will only condemn ZoS and walk away if THEY fail me - not if a company two years ago failed me and I'm afraid to ever trust again...
You say that as if paranoia isn't warrented.
Like I said, your free to your opinions, but dont mock me for caution when it comes to a corporate entitiy.
No one was mocking you, but it's hard after this statement to not think there is a bit of paranoia. You are condemning a company before they have done anything wrong based on what a different company did in the past. How would you define paranoia?
Well, first off I would define paranoia as a survival skill.
Second off, they allready said they wouldn't do it, something you seem entirely hell bent on glossing over.
Back in the day, if you wanted to make money, there was one saying you needed to follow. "The customer is allways right." Seems like we threw that out the window a long time ago because there's 82 friggin' pages now of the customer shouting what they want and no response.
So yes, I'll condemn them for even considering it. Because I'm not banking on long odds on Zeni being the first company not to succumb to corporate greed and include tangeable gameplay bonuses in these things. Oh. And before you go 'well they are not greed', take a look at the dark shaman pricetag. Now compare it to what Dragon priest and Dragon Warrior were.
You can continue to mock people who react badly to this as 'unable to trust' or whatever strawman your trying to build but that will not invalidate logic and reason which both say, this is bull. And I'm going to continue treating it like it.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Bouldercleave wrote: »You and I both know that doesn't apply here as we are talking about completely different companies.
Now I know for a fact that you are just baiting.
It does indeed apply here.2
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