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What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
I have never seen this happen in a game that does this. The random boxes become a huge money maker and why focus on anything else. Its what makes the money. The last game I played they updated the game maybe once a year. What they did update monthly was the random crates. Look at all the new cosmetics you can fork money over for a slight chance to win. They will focus their attention mainly on what makes them money. If you like gambling to play dress up in Tamriel this is a good direction. For everyone else it isn't. If no one bought these scam crates they would end up in the store for a flat price.I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.
Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.
Well u can look at it from a positive pt of view, they will have enough revenue to hire ppl and fix the dam game
Hell, we've already seen that with ESO. Notice that there's a new, "limited time" mount and costume every month? Notice how there's not consistent bug fixes for stuff that's been vexing people for ages? Does the group finder work? I don't know, but the Panda mount is in the shop right on schedule.5 -
Avenias✭✭✭✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmeticsstarkerealm wrote: »
I have never seen this happen in a game that does this. The random boxes become a huge money maker and why focus on anything else. Its what makes the money. The last game I played they updated the game maybe once a year. What they did update monthly was the random crates. Look at all the new cosmetics you can fork money over for a slight chance to win. They will focus their attention mainly on what makes them money. If you like gambling to play dress up in Tamriel this is a good direction. For everyone else it isn't. If no one bought these scam crates they would end up in the store for a flat price.I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.
Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.
Well u can look at it from a positive pt of view, they will have enough revenue to hire ppl and fix the dam game
Hell, we've already seen that with ESO. Notice that there's a new, "limited time" mount and costume every month? Notice how there's not consistent bug fixes for stuff that's been vexing people for ages? Does the group finder work? I don't know, but the Panda mount is in the shop right on schedule.
Its working great for other games
So why should ZOS miss out on the money? They should max their profit in every way possible.0 -
Avenias✭✭✭✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmeticsstarkerealm wrote: »
I have never seen this happen in a game that does this. The random boxes become a huge money maker and why focus on anything else. Its what makes the money. The last game I played they updated the game maybe once a year. What they did update monthly was the random crates. Look at all the new cosmetics you can fork money over for a slight chance to win. They will focus their attention mainly on what makes them money. If you like gambling to play dress up in Tamriel this is a good direction. For everyone else it isn't. If no one bought these scam crates they would end up in the store for a flat price.I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.
Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.
Well u can look at it from a positive pt of view, they will have enough revenue to hire ppl and fix the dam game
Hell, we've already seen that with ESO. Notice that there's a new, "limited time" mount and costume every month? Notice how there's not consistent bug fixes for stuff that's been vexing people for ages? Does the group finder work? I don't know, but the Panda mount is in the shop right on schedule.
Its working great for other games
So why should ZOS miss out on the money? They should max their profit in every way possible.0 -
JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
I know what you're saying about the bug fixes. It's annoying but I've grown to except them. I think eso as a game has never been better then it is with SotH. I don't mind limited time stuff so much, but I can also see why they would *** people off. At least they are available for a transparent price so one can judge if its value is worthwhile, or you just impulse buy (why did I get Breton Hero).starkerealm wrote: »
I have never seen this happen in a game that does this. The random boxes become a huge money maker and why focus on anything else. Its what makes the money. The last game I played they updated the game maybe once a year. What they did update monthly was the random crates. Look at all the new cosmetics you can fork money over for a slight chance to win. They will focus their attention mainly on what makes them money. If you like gambling to play dress up in Tamriel this is a good direction. For everyone else it isn't. If no one bought these scam crates they would end up in the store for a flat price.I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.
Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.
Well u can look at it from a positive pt of view, they will have enough revenue to hire ppl and fix the dam game
Hell, we've already seen that with ESO. Notice that there's a new, "limited time" mount and costume every month? Notice how there's not consistent bug fixes for stuff that's been vexing people for ages? Does the group finder work? I don't know, but the Panda mount is in the shop right on schedule.
They keep so little on the store and take so long to release the items they have on the pts. I wonder if it's because they are developing things so slow that they have to release their inventory over a long period of time or they would run out of stuff to sell next month. I wasn't overwhelmed with the options of new adornments, hairstyles and body markings and figured these would be available on release with new ones coming over time. Yet they release almost nothing new from the pts.
This game just confuses me with the way they handle their store. It is done very badly. I think they may even realize that and are trying to make it play to their benefit with the gambling boxes. It seems to me that their goal is to reduce effort while maximizing income. That's why we will likely see most of their effort go into cosmetics in gamble boxes. It happened in SWTOR and I fear it will happen here.Edited by JimT722 on August 27, 2016 5:19AM5 -
AsenkahSoul ShrivenNo, don't ever add these into the game.First time posting here, and well its to voice my displeasure with the upcoming boxes. Throwing in my vote here as an absolute NO, though I know it won't amount to much so I will also be voting by canceling my sub as will my wife. Sadly I know this won't have any impact either as there will be those that throw hundreds and up at these crates.
I just find it pretty frustrating to buy the game, pay the sub, purchase supplemental crowns, and still have content further locked out with some undermined amount of $ to get access. Obfuscated costs and payed RNG are a deal breakers for me.
Sadly this is a long waged and losing battle even among game developers as I've watched these same arguments take place on many articles on Gamasutra over the years as well as in meeting rooms at work myself.
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Avenias✭✭✭✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmeticsMicrotransactions and constant milking of customers is the meta of gaming
Get used to it, instead of complaining.Edited by Avenias on August 27, 2016 5:55AM0 -
Recremen✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Microtransactions and constant milking of customers is the meta of gaming
Get used to it, instead of complaining.
You know what else used to be the meta? Child labor. Think about it. Also, grow a spine.
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JimT722✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
Sadly I actually agree with you. They have made up their mind. There are two style parlor items I want for my Argonian. If they are ever released I will get those. That will round out my most played character. I already have plenty of mounts that work with my character as well. From then on I will ignore the crown store and sub only when they release new content and for as long as that content stays interesting. At this point I doubt they will release enough content to keep me subscribing very long. One Tamriel seems to be their focus now anyways and that is mostly aimed at bringing in new players so they can rip them off.Microtransactions and constant milking of customers is the meta of gaming
Get used to it, instead of complaining.
My only hope for the future of MMO's is that people finally get pissed of at these cheap f2p models being brought into major titles and the industry destroys itself. Only then can companies realize that there are better ways of treating their customers then trying to milk them of every cent.
Edited by JimT722 on August 27, 2016 6:28AM5 -
Avenias✭✭✭✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics
Wow, u need to go as far as child labor to make a point. Whats next? Slavery?0 -
starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.
Wow, u need to go as far as child labor to make a point. Whats next? Slavery?
@Recremen, we talked about this. Don't interact with the Argonians, it never ends well.
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Mercutio✭✭✭✭First off I want to mention Nazis because a thread this long deserves to go Godwin.
Secondly, a lifeline to ZOS: Six months after the unique crown bag cosmetics come out, release them for a limited time in the regular cash shop.
In this way you don't screw over the Completionists. Yes, you might make a little less from Lucky Bags, but you'll more than make up for that lost revenue with the goodwill and consequent loyalty this move will engender in the community.
And those that just have to have the latest and greatest here and now can still drop a few Franklins for the privilege of doing so.The problem with arguing with a jackass is that they never stop braying.
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starkerealm✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Secondly, a lifeline to ZOS: Six months after the unique crown bag cosmetics come out, release them for a limited time in the regular cash shop.
You know, this is another solution, I'd actually be okay with. I have no problem with the stuff in the boxes also including preview items. So long as they're not exclusive.1 -
Cerilon✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.This is so disgusting and disappointing. I am not surprised though, they will not cater to the loyal and paying part of their community..
Matt Firor said "You don’t see a hardcore playstyle - like playing for six months and then quitting - we don’t see that. We have a lot of players who will play for two or three weeks because they want to get through a zone and then stop. Then they come back two months later for another month, because there’s no pressure to play all of it at once." http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/15/e3-2016-the-elder-scrolls-online-to-receive-new-dungeons-customisation-and-housing-dlc
I assume that these players are the bulk of the ESO playerbase and I bet they don't subscribe or lay a lot of money on the crownstore.
To compensate for this there will be more cash grabs and gambling because Zenimax still needs money to keep their company and game running, they can't run this game out of pure goodwill.
I would rather see that they do a more internet aggressive marketing, raise the prices, the quality and the quantity of the items in the crownstore and add more perks to ESO Plus. Zenimax can also add bundles that include one exclusive, this way they could sell dumb stuff people don't want and we get a set price for the exclusive.
Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion.. Adding gambling boxes feels so cheap, so desperate and gives the game a degenerative feel.2 -
Avenias✭✭✭✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmeticsThis is so disgusting and disappointing. I am not surprised though, they will not cater to the loyal and paying part of their community..
Matt Firor said "You don’t see a hardcore playstyle - like playing for six months and then quitting - we don’t see that. We have a lot of players who will play for two or three weeks because they want to get through a zone and then stop. Then they come back two months later for another month, because there’s no pressure to play all of it at once." http://www.ign.com/articles/2016/06/15/e3-2016-the-elder-scrolls-online-to-receive-new-dungeons-customisation-and-housing-dlc
I assume that these players are the bulk of the ESO playerbase and I bet they don't subscribe or lay a lot of money on the crownstore.
To compensate for this there will be more cash grabs and gambling because Zenimax still needs money to keep their company and game running, they can't run this game out of pure goodwill.
I would rather see that they do a more internet aggressive marketing, raise the prices, the quality and the quantity of the items in the crownstore and add more perks to ESO Plus. Zenimax can also add bundles that include one exclusive, this way they could sell dumb stuff people don't want and we get a set price for the exclusive.
Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion.. Adding gambling boxes feels so cheap, so desperate and gives the game a degenerative feel.
Yup i have yet to spend cash on this game (other then first purchase of course).
Thanks in adv to all eso plus ppl spending in the game and all future loot box buyers!
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anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion..
Do you realize that One Tamriel changes basic core game mechanics for the entire game ? Therefore it has to be a compulsory update, not an optional one, and a compulsory update CANNOT be "sold". It has to be free.
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Cerilon✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion..
Do you realize that One Tamriel changes basic core game mechanics for the entire game ? Therefore it has to be a compulsory update, not an optional one, and a compulsory update CANNOT be "sold". It has to be free.
That's why they can combine it with CP and gear cap increase and gate it behind a DLC/expansion. I am just throwing out suggestions, I am not saying that I am right, I just hope they at least in the future can come up with some other alternative other than gambling to generate money.
They would never add these unless they were pretty sure they can earn money of it, if the exclusive super mounts aren't tempting enough people, they will add more and even offer P2W items.0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion..
Do you realize that One Tamriel changes basic core game mechanics for the entire game ? Therefore it has to be a compulsory update, not an optional one, and a compulsory update CANNOT be "sold". It has to be free.
That's why they can combine it with CP and gear cap increase and gate it behind a DLC/expansion.
Sorry but I don't understand your reasoning at all here. A DLC/expansion CANNOT be compulsory to buy for everyone, else people who have bought the original game and not the DLC could not play at all anymore. That would be completely illegal. Like buying a washing machine which works, but after a few months the machine would blink red and say "pay more, else I'm not working anymore".
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on August 27, 2016 8:45AM1 -
Cerilon✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion..
Do you realize that One Tamriel changes basic core game mechanics for the entire game ? Therefore it has to be a compulsory update, not an optional one, and a compulsory update CANNOT be "sold". It has to be free.
That's why they can combine it with CP and gear cap increase and gate it behind a DLC/expansion.
Sorry but I don't understand your reasoning at all here. A DLC/expansion CANNOT be compulsory to buy for everyone, else people who have bought the original game and not the DLC could not play at all anymore. That would be completely illegal. Like buying a washing machine which works, but after a few months the machine would blink red and say "pay more, else I'm not working anymore".
I am not saying it has to be compulsory, just gate the progression. Although they could have combined it with the opening of a new content to make something that feels more like a real expansion.
Just as an example, In wow you had to buy an expansion if you wanted to progress and gain the new max level. This forces people who want or must be max level yes, but does not have to interfere with the base game and you can still reach the previous max level.
I just mean that they don't have to drop updates this big without charging anything upfront, If there was more new content and gated progression combined with One Tamriel, they could have made a proper expansion, like other games do (wow for example).0 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.I am not saying it has to be compulsory, just gate the progression. Although they could have combined it with the opening of a new content to make something that feels more like a real expansion.
Just as an example, In wow you had to buy an expansion if you wanted to progress and gain the new max level. This forces people who want or must be max level yes, but does not have to interfere with the base game and you can still reach the previous max level.
I just mean that they don't have to drop updates this big without charging anything upfront, If there was more new content and gated progression combined with One Tamriel, they could have made a proper expansion, like other games do (wow for example).
I don't think you understand the concept of update 12 and One Tamriel. I give up.
I don't know about WoW because I never played it but if what you say is true - you MUST purchase expansion if you want to reach max level - then I think it's quite close to P2W and I'm glad ESO doesn't do this.
Edited by anitajoneb17_ESO on August 27, 2016 9:51AM3 -
Volrion✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.Why not just spend the money on fixing the game... If ESO was stable, they could easily go back go subscription.
Most people ESO+ anyway right?0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.double postEdited by Jade1986 on August 27, 2016 12:13PM0 -
Jade1986✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.MarkusLiberty wrote: »I would like this, there are several mounts I've been wanting to get which I never got originally, and I dont mind spending some money for a second chance at these.
I just have one request, please make it so that I cant get the same mount twice, it sucks having to spend money and get nothing in return.
If I counted correctly, there have been 17 time limited mounts available in the crown store. If already purchased mounts don't count, then the number of available mounts would degrees.
Which would mean that I have a 3 out of 15 chance of getting one of the mounts that I want. I can live with that.
If it were only mounts I could totally live with the boxes, but I have a sneaking suspicion that its going to be a ton of crap most of the time.starkerealm wrote: »
I have never seen this happen in a game that does this. The random boxes become a huge money maker and why focus on anything else. Its what makes the money. The last game I played they updated the game maybe once a year. What they did update monthly was the random crates. Look at all the new cosmetics you can fork money over for a slight chance to win. They will focus their attention mainly on what makes them money. If you like gambling to play dress up in Tamriel this is a good direction. For everyone else it isn't. If no one bought these scam crates they would end up in the store for a flat price.I might buy one of these just to see what I would get. However, after experiencing the lockboxes in the game we get for armors (like the ones you can buy from NPC Merchants) and not getting what I needed due to RNG, I can't see me being a customer of lockboxes purchased with my own money.
Simple reason, I like to know what I am buying before I buy it.
Well u can look at it from a positive pt of view, they will have enough revenue to hire ppl and fix the dam game
Hell, we've already seen that with ESO. Notice that there's a new, "limited time" mount and costume every month? Notice how there's not consistent bug fixes for stuff that's been vexing people for ages? Does the group finder work? I don't know, but the Panda mount is in the shop right on schedule.
Its working great for other games
So why should ZOS miss out on the money? They should max their profit in every way possible.
While ZoS is a corporation, their top priority should be making the game fun, renewing peoples interest in it, and making it more interesting. That is what will make them the most money. If they neglect EVERYTHING else and only have this kind of crap, then of course that is what will make them the most money. That does NOT mean that it is ethical or a good strategy to keep their player base high, or interested in the game .4 -
JamilaRaj✭✭✭✭✭
✭Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmeticsanitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion..
Do you realize that One Tamriel changes basic core game mechanics for the entire game ? Therefore it has to be a compulsory update, not an optional one, and a compulsory update CANNOT be "sold". It has to be free.
How come? They sell the base game alright. Pay or go away.
Granted, selling compulsory update would generate some rage threads and bad press, but hey, players would eventually shut up and pay, as they always do, after all, their characters, mounts and costumes would be at stake, and bad press is still free ad for One Tamriel. Matt should seriously consider it!0 -
Waseem✭✭✭✭✭
✭No, don't ever add these into the game.matter of time before we see "crafting box" with yellow upgrade materials that is obtainable in-game and in crown store.. so it doesnt look like pay to win
doesnt look like pay to win for idiots, to clarifyEdited by Waseem on August 27, 2016 11:20AMPC EU0 -
VerboseQuips✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion..
Do you realize that One Tamriel changes basic core game mechanics for the entire game ? Therefore it has to be a compulsory update, not an optional one, and a compulsory update CANNOT be "sold". It has to be free.
That's why they can combine it with CP and gear cap increase and gate it behind a DLC/expansion.
Sorry but I don't understand your reasoning at all here. A DLC/expansion CANNOT be compulsory to buy for everyone, else people who have bought the original game and not the DLC could not play at all anymore. That would be completely illegal. Like buying a washing machine which works, but after a few months the machine would blink red and say "pay more, else I'm not working anymore".
Actually, such practices already exist, somehow. It's called planned obsolescence. And it's a shame.My characters:Main and crafter: A Breton magicka templar named Erwann Sorril
Alt 1: A Bosmer sorcerer named Tuuneleg
Alt 2: An Imperial dragonknight named Gaius Tullius Hastifer
Alt 3: An Argonian vampire/nightblade named Observe-le-Xanmeer
Alt 4: A Nord werewolf/dragonknight named Sigurd Hurlevent
Alt 5: A Breton sorcerer named Gilian Sorril (he's Erwann's younger brother)
Alt 6: A Khajiit nightblade named Jolan-dar
Alt 7: A Nord warden named Sigurmar Hurlevent (he's Sigurd's younger brother)
Alt 8: An Altmer templar named Oioriel
Alt 9: An Argonian stamina Warden named Danse-avec-les-Rainettes
Alt 10: A Redguard templar named Neemokh af-Corelanya
Alt 11: A Nord stamina sorcerer named Olga Écoute-Vent
Alt 12: A Breton magicka Warden named Ian Sorril
Alt 13: A Dunmer magicka necromancer named Ilmoran Dren
Alt 14: An Orc stamina necromancer named Norgol gro-Borziel
Alt 15: A Nord magicka necromancer named Thorgen Givresang
Alt 16: An Imperial magicka dragonknight named Publius Valeirus Hastifer (Just call him "Valerio" - he's Gaius younger troublemaker of a brother)
Main in NA (For collaborative events): A Breton magicka nightblade named Titouan Sorril (long-lost brother of Erwann and Gilian)1 -
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✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion..
Do you realize that One Tamriel changes basic core game mechanics for the entire game ? Therefore it has to be a compulsory update, not an optional one, and a compulsory update CANNOT be "sold". It has to be free.
How come? They sell the base game alright. Pay or go away.
Granted, selling compulsory update would generate some rage threads and bad press, but hey, players would eventually shut up and pay, as they always do, after all, their characters, mounts and costumes would be at stake, and bad press is still free ad for One Tamriel. Matt should seriously consider it!
That would be the deathstroke for this game. That mentality is the parasite the gaming industry could do without.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.matter of time before we see "crafting box" with yellow upgrade materials that is obtainable in-game and in crown store.. so it doesnt look like pay to win
doesnt look like pay to win for idiots, to clarify
It would not make me wonder to see this - it is by principle not that much different from mimic stones, which are already on the crown store. Maybe they create something similar for upgrading of gear - let's say "mimic enhancers", which can make up for any missing upgrade material and quality, just like the mimic stones can make up for any missing style material already. From there it would not be far to have "mimic materials", which can replace any material you would want to use.
The existence of mimic stones shows, that ZOS has by principle no problem with doing this kind of thing and at some point in time we might actually see this offered in the crown store and it might be the "consumable" of an RNG "crafting box". This is all stuff, which would make them a lot of money, but which would at the same time raise the question "why do I even want to play this game any longer?". The Elder Scrolls title is their flagship, but even that flagship will look shabby with stuff like that.
Edit: With this said, I actually believe them, when they say, we do not intend to put p2w on the crown store. But would it be p2w, when the "super rare gear" offered as main win of a "crafting box" would be as good as the best stuff a master crafter can produce?- It would be aquirable by other means in the game and they could consider this just convenient and not p2w. It's just a matter of perspective really. And it is just a small step to go there as well.Edited by Lysette on August 27, 2016 12:28PM1 -
Elsonso✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmeticsDoctordarkspawn wrote: »Wow. We just hit 80 pages.
We did, and this is one of the most civil heated discussions ever to happen on this board. Only three moderation notes, the last one was 4 days ago, and this thread is rarely off the front page. The thread itself is almost as important as the topic it discusses. I have to say that it has been a lot of fun reading the opinions in here over the last couple of weeks.Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion.. Adding gambling boxes feels so cheap, so desperate and gives the game a degenerative feel.
I think that people mistake these Lucky Bags as being something related to revenue desperation. I don't really think that is the case. I don't think this is a "need", I think this is a "want". They simply want more diversified revenue from the Crown Store, and this is a way to do it. It has the potential to even out revenue hills and valleys coming from the Crown Store.
Part of the Lucky Bag crate game is to collect Crown Gems, and that alone will help even out revenue, if played enough. It would not surprise me if, down the road, ESO Plus got a Gem or two per month. Not enough to buy anything, though. If they were collected long enough they could buy something. This could encourage both longer term ESO Plus subscription, as well as shorter term Crown Crate 'impatient' purchases in an attempt to get more.
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.The whole thing still smells like boiling the frog slowly - not just those crates but as well other things like dueling in PvE zones. From there it is not far to reactivate the justice system and have open PvP in PvE zones in the crime segment. And in the crafting sector it is not far to those RNG "crafting boxes" mentioned. The game is giving up on more and more concepts, which are RPG and bring more stuff which looks painfully obvious like f2p MMO with all it's many downsides.5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭No, don't ever add these into the game.lordrichter wrote: »Doctordarkspawn wrote: »Wow. We just hit 80 pages.
We did, and this is one of the most civil heated discussions ever to happen on this board. Only three moderation notes, the last one was 4 days ago, and this thread is rarely off the front page. The thread itself is almost as important as the topic it discusses. I have to say that it has been a lot of fun reading the opinions in here over the last couple of weeks.Also if Zenimax need the money this bad, maybe they should not drop a huge update like One Tamriel for free? They could have combined this with a raised CP and gear cap and sold the update as an expansion.. Adding gambling boxes feels so cheap, so desperate and gives the game a degenerative feel.
I think that people mistake these Lucky Bags as being something related to revenue desperation. I don't really think that is the case. I don't think this is a "need", I think this is a "want". They simply want more diversified revenue from the Crown Store, and this is a way to do it. It has the potential to even out revenue hills and valleys coming from the Crown Store.
Part of the Lucky Bag crate game is to collect Crown Gems, and that alone will help even out revenue, if played enough. It would not surprise me if, down the road, ESO Plus got a Gem or two per month. Not enough to buy anything, though. If they were collected long enough they could buy something. This could encourage both longer term ESO Plus subscription, as well as shorter term Crown Crate 'impatient' purchases in an attempt to get more.
I don't think that ZOS did this because they actually wanted to do this - just remember the "we don't like them either" about RNG boxes some months ago. I actually believe that this was their real feeling about those boxes. My guess is, that they got some pressure from a higher level in their group structure to generate more revenue using methods which are common in the MMO world. So I think this is just something they had to do to please the investors and now they have to defend this as an entertaining extra, while they know in fact, that it is neither beneficial for the game nor the players and makes it look shabby.
Edit: it does as well not feel like there is trust into the longevity of the game, but rather the opposite - this is more something you do, when the feeling comes up "let's milk them as long as we still can" - so yes, it has something quite desperate to it.
I mean look at it from an investor's perspective - it is said that the game costed about 200 million US$ - and it started a long time ago with the development phase. Even if this would be considered a relative conservative venture capital investment, investors expect at least that the value doubles every 6 years, better every 5 years to not fall behind better strategies to invest money in a relatively safe way. Whilst Zenimax as a group is a proper investment, ESO is a disaster really - take those 5 years - then ESO would have to generate 800 million US$ win, not just revenue, to make up for this - and they will never ever get there - it is a fail, seen from an investor's point of view.
Edited by Lysette on August 27, 2016 1:28PM1
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