What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

For those who didn't read the new article:

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

The_Undefined

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JimT722 wrote: »

JahneeO wrote: »

Holy Good God people.

I have never seen such outrage over something sold in a game. All this talk about business models and this game did this and then that happened, and what about those with gambling problems, what should we do?

It's. A. Game.
A good game. And one, need I remind you, that you can play for as long as you would like without ever entering the crown store.

Think rationally for a second, does a recovering alcoholic not go into a supermarket because they have a beer aisle?
No.
They still shop there because 85% of the store is food. Food is good.

If what ZoS is doing with their game is just something you can't take anymore? Do me a favor: Go take a walk, get outside and breathe some fresh air.
ESO is a game, your life is your life.

Life is good.

So you want all the people who care about the game to take a walk? That's exactly what I fear will happen.

My brother doesn't play mmo games, f2p or otherwise. He tried this one for a few months and was laughing at me when I told him about this. My dad even recognized the aim of these and he doesn't game at all. Wake up and realize the intent of this product. It doesn't belong in a game.

I'm having a similar experience. I brought in one person to play with me 2 months ago. I've started working on 2 other people to play with me too - 3 for sure subs and one maybe non-sub. The other 2 people heard about this and are likely to drop out from even wanting to try it. The first person I brought in will go where ever I go and I"m considering unsubbing.

You can disagree with people's views on these lootboxes, but to say "Good riddance!" "Bye felicia!" is like saying "yay let's get rid of the players that could've been my healer / tank / dps / friend." Before people go into, "I don't want a friend.. blah blah blah," then that's close-minded rhetoric that causes games to become ghost towns.

In either case, all of this stems from lootboxes and a practice that is seriously rubbing PAYING / ACTIVE customers really bad.

Wow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

So yeah in case you havent read it at official site, I'll paste it right here

Crown Crates
Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.


All the content in Update 12, including One Tamriel, will be free for all pl

Crates will have different themes throughout the year

So yeah there you have it, there will be Crown Crates, not just one, but many kind of them throughout the year

jedtb16_ESO

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Cazzy wrote: »

For those who didn't read the new article:

Toward the end of November, we'll be giving you a chance to receive some very special items with the introduction of Crown Crates. These Crates, available in the Crown Store for just 400 crowns, will contain a randomized selection of useful consumables, and offer a chance to obtain rare and unique cosmetic items or mounts, including some previously-retired mounts, costumes, pets, and limited-time offers that are no longer available in the Crown Store. Crates will have different themes throughout the year, giving you the chance to obtain new, extremely rare items.

In the event you receive a mount, pet, costume or personality that you already own, you'll be awarded special Crown Gems in its place. These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

yeah... i read the article. have to say that looks pretty fair to me.

Tib

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I'm really curious to see how/if ZOS responds to this now!

Over 900 people have voted (yes, the poll is lacking, no, not everyone visits the forums - these points are really not relevant now, because the topic is obviously hot!). Granted that about two thirds oppose and many are stating that they don't oppose, but are not the least interested in buying the boxes, will these even make it to the DLC or will the idea be scrapped?

EDIT: Sorry, I wrote this before seeing the new official post. However, my question still stands and I do wonder whether ZOS will make any adjustments or changes to the Crown Crate concept

Wow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nurrtibub16_ESO wrote: »

I'm really curious to see how/if ZOS responds to this now!

Over 900 people have voted (yes, the poll is lacking, no, not everyone visits the forums - these points are really not relevant now, because the topic is obviously hot!). Granted that about two thirds oppose and many are stating that they don't oppose, but are not the least interested in buying the boxes, will these even make it to the DLC or will the idea be scrapped?

They will not scrap those boxes. It's already almost finished in development so scrapping them would be a waste of development resources they have spent.

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So basically, if I want a senche leopard but keep getting a camel of Ill omen, I can basically trade my Camel/Gem specifically for the Senche leopard? So getting an item twice yields the same reward as getting the specific item you want.

This sounds really fair actually, this actually makes it way more reasonable to hunt for specific items.

Thank you Zos! I really cant wait for this.

will these even make it to the DLC or will the idea be scrapped

I really hope not, It sucks when other people gets to determine what I get to invest money in, if they have zero interest in buying the product in the first place, why spend so much effort taking it away from the rest of us? It dosn't concern them in any way.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So basically, if I want a senche leopard but keep getting a camel of Ill omen, I can basically trade my Camel/Gem specifically for the Senche leopard? This sounds really fair actually, this actually makes it way more reasonable to hunt for specific items.

Thank you Zos! I really cant wait for this.

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want from the box.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you clarify?
Or anyone, really! @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_MattFiror @ZOS_KaiSchober @ZOS_RichLambert

Osteos

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So basically, if I want a senche leopard but keep getting a camel of Ill omen, I can basically trade my Camel/Gem specifically for the Senche leopard? So getting an item twice yields the same reward as getting the specific item you want.

This sounds really fair actually, this actually makes it way more reasonable to hunt for specific items.

Thank you Zos! I really cant wait for this.

will these even make it to the DLC or will the idea be scrapped

I really hope not, It really sucks when other people gets to determine what I get to invest money in, especially when they have zero interest in buying the product in the first place.

That what it seems like from that article. There is still the danger that turning in the camel will get you 2 gems and the senche leopard costs 100 gems. We will just have to wait for more information or check things out on the pts.

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So basically, if I want a senche leopard but keep getting a camel of Ill omen, I can basically trade my Camel/Gem specifically for the Senche leopard? So getting an item twice yields the same reward as getting the specific item you want.

This sounds really fair actually, this actually makes it way more reasonable to hunt for specific items.

Thank you Zos! I really cant wait for this.

will these even make it to the DLC or will the idea be scrapped

I really hope not, It really sucks when other people gets to determine what I get to invest money in, especially when they have zero interest in buying the product in the first place.

Not enough information out yet; nowhere is it stated that it will be a straight up trade; you got the camel you already own, so you can trade it for gems, but nowhere does it say you get the full amount of gems that the senche you want will cost. That is providing the senche is even available for purchase in the gem store.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Cazzy wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So basically, if I want a senche leopard but keep getting a camel of Ill omen, I can basically trade my Camel/Gem specifically for the Senche leopard? This sounds really fair actually, this actually makes it way more reasonable to hunt for specific items.

Thank you Zos! I really cant wait for this.

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want.

@ZOS_GinaBruno can you clarify?

Yeah read that myself a few times too, something like the gem store will have a limited supply of content that would also be rotated

Which Kind of makes sense for them , I'm sure they will want to keep rare items rare otherwise they wont have any value and people wont buy

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want.

I think it is, look. They'll be doing these crown crate seasons, where specific items will be available every time. I'm going to assume not all previous time-limited mounts will be avalible every season.

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So the article specifically states that these gems can be used to pick another item from that specific crown case season meaning you get to pick whatever's available in it, including that mount you've always wanted.

This sounds very fair to me. It'll probably take you a good amount of these 400 crown crates to get an item twice, let alone get the item you're after in the first place. I'm not going to spend 20 K crowns hunting for a single mount, but with chances like these I might just be willing to inveset 10K crowns

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want.

I think it is, look. They'll be doing these crown crate seasons, where specific items will be available every time. I'm going to assume not all previous time-limited mounts will be avalible every season.

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So the article specifically states that these gems can be used to pick another item from that specific crown case season meaning you get to pick whatever's available in it, including that mount you've always wanted.

IF that is the case, and people who really care about limited time seasonal stuff cosmetics and mounts can outright buy it, that's a pretty fair system.

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want.

I think it is, look. They'll be doing these crown crate seasons, where specific items will be available every time. I'm going to assume not all previous time-limited mounts will be avalible every season.

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So the article specifically states that these gems can be used to pick another item from that specific crown case season meaning you get to pick whatever's available in it, including that mount you've always wanted.

If the items cost gems, what do you do if the item you want, like the leopard senche, cost more gems than the camel duplicate that you traded in? You might not be picking "whatever" you want. You might be picking what you have the gems to pay for, or holding your gems until you get enough to buy the item you really want.

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want.

I think it is, look. They'll be doing these crown crate seasons, where specific items will be available every time. I'm going to assume not all previous time-limited mounts will be avalible every season.

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So the article specifically states that these gems can be used to pick another item from that specific crown case season meaning you get to pick whatever's available in it, including that mount you've always wanted.

If that is treu then suppose you only got potions or stuff for a long while, they won't give you Gems because they're not classed as collectibles. So you could be spending hundreds to even get a duplicate

Edit: "Treu" is the new spelling of "True"

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JD2013 wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want.

I think it is, look. They'll be doing these crown crate seasons, where specific items will be available every time. I'm going to assume not all previous time-limited mounts will be avalible every season.

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So the article specifically states that these gems can be used to pick another item from that specific crown case season meaning you get to pick whatever's available in it, including that mount you've always wanted.

IF that is the case, and people who really care about limited time seasonal stuff can outright buy it, that's a pretty fair system.

If it works out a one dupe item to one you want rate, that's fair enough, but not holding my breath for that

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

IF that is the case, and people who really care about limited time seasonal stuff cosmetics and mounts can outright buy it, that's a pretty fair system.

It's a fair system yeah, you can still end up paying five times as much for the mount as you would have if you bought it when it was first available, but at least like that you won't end up selling your house, your wife and your kids in the process.

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

It's a fair system yeah, you can still end up paying five times as much for the mount as you would have if you bought it when it was first available, but at least like that you won't end up selling your house, your wife and your kids in the process.

I'd sell my wife.

I don't even have a wife.

Who the H.E. double hockey sticks am I selling??

Cazzy

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

It's a fair system yeah, you can still end up paying five times as much for the mount as you would have if you bought it when it was first available, but at least like that you won't end up selling your house, your wife and your kids in the process.

Well, you might yet I have no idea what the drop rates are for mounts.

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JahneeO wrote: »

[...]
It's. A. Game.
[...]

Well, thanks, for this post, it will allow me to go straight to the point I tried to reach by stripping off all my epistemumbo-jumbo.

For some players it is a game, a pleasant way to spend some time having fun instead of being bored, watching lame tv, doing chores or thinking to the looming ecological/energetic/economical collapse that threatens our thermo-industrial civilization or whatever it is that inhabits the darker part of their mind. A game.

For others, it is an access to something they love. A way to get immersed in an universed that has elicited passion.

That doesn't mean the first ones are bad players and the second ones are the good players. This does not mean either that passionate players are exempted of arguing rationally. What it merely means is that a legitimate answer to "It's. A. Game" is "It's. A. Passion".

JahneeO wrote: »

[...]
Think rationally for a second[... ]

Spot on! Passion does not only involve rationality, it does also involve feelings.
My kilometric text about accesses above? This was not a qualified and elaborate rational discourse. It was a description of what passion feels for me. Passion, dedication if you prefer, is the reason why you still hear about Skywind so long after Morrowind was released.

Here many people build an argumentation to defend their stance, and building it does involve a good chunk of rational thinking, but the initial stance is cemented with feelings. Rationality is the only way to assess the validity of an argument, but it is less than sufficient to assess the validity of a stance. You can destroy an argument with reason, as you could cut a flower. But if the vitality of the feelings still inhabits the root, a new argument-flower will grow again.

For anything involving passion, rational thinking is not enough to convince. As Madame Dupin beautifully worded it, "L'esprit délibère et le cœur conclut".

Does it mean debating is useless? Of course not. Being forced to revise and refine one's arguments is always a good and healthy mental exercise.

JahneeO wrote: »

[...]
ESO is a game, your life is your life.

Life is good.

You're really right on this, but I want to add that passions are part of what makes life good.

When the passionnate crowd gets mad about lootboxes, it is because they are realizing that financial people are trying to use their passion, one of the spices of their lives, in order to make profit in a way that not only lacks any consideration and respect for the said passion, but actually harms it. Seeing one's passion turned into a vulgar money sink is the kind of stuff that is likely to detract from the very vitality of this passion.

To call the devitalisation of one's passion unpleasant is a grotesque understatement. It genuinely hurts. A lot.

I think that the day a majority of the passionate crowd will stop their vehement debates and start thinking "I shouldn't care so much after all. It's just a game" because it will hurt less to have their passion devitalised than to have it alive and wounded, is the day the TES community will collapse and the TES series will be dead.

That's what we want to avoid.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

A lot of people think like this:

If the chance to win something is 5%, then it will require in average 20 boxes to win something - and this is true, but just for a very high number of samples. The reality for a small amount of samples is not like with large sample sizes though.

Let's see how high the chance is to not win something with 20 boxes, if the change is 5% - 0.95^20 = 35.85% - so this is more than a 1 in 3 chance to not win something by buying 20 boxes.

Now let's see how this goes if you buy more boxes: How high is the chance to not win anything with 40 boxes?- 12.86% - this is more than a 1 in 8 chance to not win anything, even people thought, they will most likely have 2 wins - but it is still 1 in 8, to win nothing at all.

IF you buy like 100 boxes though, the chance to not have any win is pretty low - just 0.592%, At last let's look at how many boxes you would have to buy to have a flip coin chance to win something if the chance would be 5% - 14 boxes - if you buy 14 boxes, you have an about 50:50 chance to win something - something at all that is, not necessarily what you want.

Now think about this, if you are really willing to spend like 5600 crowns to have a chance like flipping a coin to win anything what is not just a consumable. A flip coin chance is what you get for that price, not more. And it would have to be 5% chance to have this - but IMO the chance will be more like 1% or even less and then you have a really crappy deal with these boxes.

It is already really bad with 5% chance - but you can expect the chance to be much lower than this - the whole thing is so rigged against you, that you will most likely never win anything "special" before your will to spend money will run out.

zyk

No, don't ever add these into the game.

RNG boxes in a cash store are exploitive to people with gambling addictions. This is a major issue in society and very poor form for a company to take advantage of.

What bothers me most about ZOS is its lack of ethics. We see this in how it knowingly releases updates with major bugs and how Cyrodiil has been largely ignored for two years. This is another example.

MissBizz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

JD2013 wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want.

I think it is, look. They'll be doing these crown crate seasons, where specific items will be available every time. I'm going to assume not all previous time-limited mounts will be avalible every season.

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So the article specifically states that these gems can be used to pick another item from that specific crown case season meaning you get to pick whatever's available in it, including that mount you've always wanted.

IF that is the case, and people who really care about limited time seasonal stuff cosmetics and mounts can outright buy it, that's a pretty fair system.

Well, to me that doesn't sound at all like outright buying it. You will need to purchase crates. As far as I have seen, we are only guaranteed to receive a consumable, which will never be considered a duplicate, and therefore you will get 0 gems. Step 2 is that you will need to get non-consumable items that you already own, since an item you don't own will go directly to your collections and there is no option to trade it for gems. Then (this part is a total guess) I'm thinking different items will be worth different amount of gems. So even if you're lucky enough to say, get some "have been removed from CS" costumes that you already own.. they likely will be worth many gems less than if you're lucky enough to score a few "rare/limited" items that you already own. And THEN... that super rare mount is probably going to cost a ridiculous amount of gems.

Outright buying to me is saying "here is X mount. It costs this much". Not gamble and hope for the mount in question, or gamble and hope for enough duplicates to possibly get enough gems to purchase it in the gem store during that season.

One again, this still isn't all the information and there's a TON of guesswork. The trade in value for gems will make a HUGE difference.

JD2013

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

MissBizz wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want.

I think it is, look. They'll be doing these crown crate seasons, where specific items will be available every time. I'm going to assume not all previous time-limited mounts will be avalible every season.

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So the article specifically states that these gems can be used to pick another item from that specific crown case season meaning you get to pick whatever's available in it, including that mount you've always wanted.

IF that is the case, and people who really care about limited time seasonal stuff cosmetics and mounts can outright buy it, that's a pretty fair system.

Well, to me that doesn't sound at all like outright buying it. You will need to purchase crates. As far as I have seen, we are only guaranteed to receive a consumable, which will never be considered a duplicate, and therefore you will get 0 gems. Step 2 is that you will need to get non-consumable items that you already own, since an item you don't own will go directly to your collections and there is no option to trade it for gems. Then (this part is a total guess) I'm thinking different items will be worth different amount of gems. So even if you're lucky enough to say, get some "have been removed from CS" costumes that you already own.. they likely will be worth many gems less than if you're lucky enough to score a few "rare/limited" items that you already own. And THEN... that super rare mount is probably going to cost a ridiculous amount of gems.

Outright buying to me is saying "here is X mount. It costs this much". Not gamble and hope for the mount in question, or gamble and hope for enough duplicates to possibly get enough gems to purchase it in the gem store during that season.

One again, this still isn't all the information and there's a TON of guesswork. The trade in value for gems will make a HUGE difference.

Oh, yes, I mean, there are variables to work with, of course.

I will be interested in seeing the items to gems conversion.

VerboseQuips

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Eiagra wrote: »

I feel a little insightful education may help some, so here's a few videos from the Extra Credits crew that I highly recommend. Some of them show warnings of what the industry is doing, while others show support for what the industry is doing. Some of them have to do with the Free-to-Play model commonly seen on the mobile market, but I believe they still have some relevance here. Hopefully these are useful.

Microtransactions

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXA559KNopI

The Skinner Box

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWtvrPTbQ_c

Free to Play Laws - Can We Stop Predatory Practices?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PBtXyv0Q1Eg

Doing Free to Play Wrong - How Bad Monetization Harms F2P Games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Mhz9OXy86a0

Free to Play Is Currently Broken - How High Costs Drive Players Away from F2P Games

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FwI0u9L4R8U

There's probably some others I could find, but I got to get on with my day. Seriously, they have a lot of insightful videos regarding the video game industry, and while they might not be spot-on with EVERYthing, they are fairly close to the mark with many things. Give their channel a look, because they rally as much for the player as the developer, and that's something I can respect them for.

Thank you for sharing these. The videos are interesting and very relevant. Your insightful post elevates the debate.

Graydon

Yes but I just want it to be pay to win items, plus cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

Stiltz wrote: »

The more I think about it, I'm actually excited for these boxes because I don't really have anything to spend my eso+ crowns on.

The only things I've bought to date is a guar, a pet, and a merchant. I've got 7k crowns right now just sitting there, if boxes were available right now I'd probably buy 5-10 for the repair kits and consumables for alts mostly, but the chance to get something rare would at least make it kind of exciting.

I think a lot of us just have crowns sitting there from our subscription, I think ZOS knows this as well.

Of course they know it, and they want you to spend them now, so that you have none left when housing is coming out and you will have to buy new crowns to get a home.

But I don't have to spend crowns on crates. I don't have to spend crowns on houses. I can spend my crowns as I so desire.

Cool

Adernath

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ZOS you are missing the great opportunity (also marketing wise) to listen to your community and to not implement that garbage!

The_Undefined

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I disagree with the prospect of the gem conversion making this fair. A CHANCE at an item that calls for REPEAT purchases when the game has MULTIPLE streams of revenue is totally unacceptable. I don't care if the chance is 80% and direct conversion. The fact is, the CROWN STORE is there for a reason. These lootboxes just add another form of money dump from players away from items that WOULD BE GUARANTEED and time dump from developers away from the game.

No, this is not at all a fair system, and those thinking it is just because there's a POSSIBLE inch given to the players with miles of unacceptable practice should really think about this twice, imo.

MarkusLiberty

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

What bothers me most about ZOS is its lack of ethics. We see this in how it knowingly releases updates with major bugs and how Cyrodiil has been largely ignored for two years. This is another example.

What i don't get is how upset people get over these crates, compared to stuff like the latest Elder Scrolls trading card game, a game built around the concept of buying booster packs and hoping you'll get the right cards for your deck. Its so weird seeing the elder scrolls community prasing Bethesda's Tes: Legends while going insane over Zenimax's cosmetic loot crates.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MissBizz wrote: »

JD2013 wrote: »

MarkusLiberty wrote: »

I don't think that's the case. My understanding was that they'll have random stuff for sale we can buy instead. Not choose what we want.

I think it is, look. They'll be doing these crown crate seasons, where specific items will be available every time. I'm going to assume not all previous time-limited mounts will be avalible every season.

These Gems can be used to purchase other collectible items from the current Crown Crate season that you'd prefer to have instead.

So the article specifically states that these gems can be used to pick another item from that specific crown case season meaning you get to pick whatever's available in it, including that mount you've always wanted.

IF that is the case, and people who really care about limited time seasonal stuff cosmetics and mounts can outright buy it, that's a pretty fair system.

Well, to me that doesn't sound at all like outright buying it. You will need to purchase crates. As far as I have seen, we are only guaranteed to receive a consumable, which will never be considered a duplicate, and therefore you will get 0 gems. Step 2 is that you will need to get non-consumable items that you already own, since an item you don't own will go directly to your collections and there is no option to trade it for gems. Then (this part is a total guess) I'm thinking different items will be worth different amount of gems. So even if you're lucky enough to say, get some "have been removed from CS" costumes that you already own.. they likely will be worth many gems less than if you're lucky enough to score a few "rare/limited" items that you already own. And THEN... that super rare mount is probably going to cost a ridiculous amount of gems.

Outright buying to me is saying "here is X mount. It costs this much". Not gamble and hope for the mount in question, or gamble and hope for enough duplicates to possibly get enough gems to purchase it in the gem store during that season.

One again, this still isn't all the information and there's a TON of guesswork. The trade in value for gems will make a HUGE difference.

This is it, trying to work out statistics without any facts is impossible and pure guesswork and you will never get the statistics

Even if they say for eg, 1 in every 100 sales has a chance of a rare item, you still cant work it out, in the end you could buy 1 million boxes and never see a mount while your friend could buy 4 boxes and get two mounts, it is what it is pure luck