What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

AClockworkLime wrote: »

Unless all these crown store items secured through the lockboxes are tradable/sellable to other players, it's going to *** a LOT of people off when they open it and find they got something they already have...

The invented a whole new currency (Crown Gems) and a whole new store to deal with this. Both of which are obviously designed with the idea that you will buy more Crown Crates to get more duplicates so you can get more Crown Gems to spend in the Gem Store.

All roads lead to Rome.

petraeus1

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

If that's the determining factor, profit maximization over player feedback, well, don't count me enthusiastic.

It's almost insulting to dismiss the verbally expressed feedback of many consumers saying: 'They don't really know what they want, just wait till we see the revenue numbers.'

I'm not enthustiastic either. Just realistic.
Player feedback will only be taken into account when and if it is considered going towards profit maximization in the long term for the company. It will be ignored if it goes against profit maximization. Not only for ZOS, but for the overwhelming majority of companies. (Some companies have a product/service culture that trumps profit maximization but it's not the majority and I doubt any company depending on massive external investors such as ZOS can even afford that attitude).

I think players and consumers in general should be FAR MORE conscious of their responsibility when they choose to buy. You can't complain and buy at the same time. WHen you buy, you support and approve.

If each and everyone of us who right now say NO to RNG-boxes would actually concretely NOT BUY them, there wouldn't be RNG-boxes. Simple as that. Vote with your wallet. And yes, many people will vote differently from you, that's a fact. Democracy to a certain extent is the dictature of the majority, and you can't blame a company for complying with the majority that brings them money.

I can though. Just like I can blame companies for destroying rainforests and using child labour, despite them being extremely profitable.

Before I go on, for anyone reading, this post is not intent on starting a new analogy war - I'm not trying to say RNG boxes are on the same level of awfulness as the examples I mentioned above.

But I do think companies should have more considerations than merely profit maximization. It then depends on your moral evaluation of gambling mechanics with real money in video games on whether or not ZOS is 'blameworthy'. I think those mechanics are nasty, so companies implementing them I do consider 'blameworthy' (in the sense that they did not have to go with the dictature of the majority). That in turn transfers on me the responsibility to also vote with my money, but the dictature of the majority is not absolute nor always right in my eyes.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rosveen wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Suddenly the existence of lockboxes affects what I can or cannot buy. I'm willing to pay for a mount I really like, but I will not spend a single crown if its hidden behind RNG.

So what ? Can't you live happily without that mount ? Even if you wanted it so badly ?
It's not your own blood that will be in lockboxes guys, c'mon...

How did you get from "not having this item affects my enjoyment of the game" to "I can't live without it"?

Had missed that one (Thread is moving quickly

OK I could rephrase : So what ? Can't you play happily without that mount ? Even if you want it so badly ? It's not your character's blood that will be in lockboxes guys, C'mon...

Or I could also rephrase that way : yes sometimes you don't get what you want and have to live without it. When that thing you can't have is a mount in a videogame, I don't think it should be hard to live/play without it and still be perfectly happy, be it ingame or IRL.

NewBlacksmurf

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Mercutio wrote: »

If there is some other way to get the discontinued or new items in addition to the Lockboxes I have no problem with it.

If the RNG gamble is the only way to get those items from now on I have to admit to some disappointment.

@Mercutio

We only know what's been recorded cause ZOS decided not to write an article until later this week.

The assumption based on the actual recordings from participants is that the only way to obtain the items is via these loot boxes.

Balticthunder

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I bet we can prepare for destroyed lore and game universe by those boxes sooner or later.
Eventually they will need some exclusive things in there, things people are ready to go crazy for. So, what kids love today, what is the best selling things in other similar games? Right, it's dragon mounts, wings, sexy outfits and a lot of crap like that, crap that will be absolutely lore unfriendly, but who cares - it looks so good!

NewBlacksmurf

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Rosveen wrote: »

Suddenly the existence of lockboxes affects what I can or cannot buy. I'm willing to pay for a mount I really like, but I will not spend a single crown if its hidden behind RNG.

So what ? Can't you live happily without that mount ? Even if you wanted it so badly ?
It's not your own blood that will be in lockboxes guys, c'mon...

How did you get from "not having this item affects my enjoyment of the game" to "I can't live without it"?

Had missed that one (Thread is moving quickly

OK I could rephrase : So what ? Can't you play happily without that mount ? Even if you want it so badly ? It's not your character's blood that will be in lockboxes guys, C'mon...

Or I could also rephrase that way : yes sometimes you don't get what you want and have to live without it. When that thing you can't have is a mount in a videogame, I don't think it should be hard to live/play without it and still be perfectly happy, be it ingame or IRL.

Sorry to be blunt but that's dumb....again sorry but you're asking if there is something someone can afford to buy, which involves their enjoyment.

Because they can't buy it unless they play the lotery, you're asking can't they live without it?

Well yeah, but up until now you could buy it.

That's like asking....can't you live without playing ESO?
If it was for sale and then unlisted everywhere only to be obtained from a lotery.

Wouldn't this be "dumb".

FYI: I'm not suggesting you're dumb but that the question in context was a poor one.

Elijah_Crow

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

lordrichter wrote: »

AClockworkLime wrote: »

Unless all these crown store items secured through the lockboxes are tradable/sellable to other players, it's going to *** a LOT of people off when they open it and find they got something they already have...

The invented a whole new currency (Crown Gems) and a whole new store to deal with this. Both of which are obviously designed with the idea that you will buy more Crown Crates to get more duplicates so you can get more Crown Gems to spend in the Gem Store.

All roads lead to Rome.

Having this new currency is a good thing. It gives you an option to deal with items you receive that you don't want or already have, and allows them to make the items not tradeable or sellable in guild stores.

This prevents someone from spending real world money and selling the boxes or contents for in game gold which at that point becomes pay to win and destroys the economy.

Mandragora

No, don't ever add these into the game.

It is good for me actually - I will stop looking at their shop again. I started because I was surprised that they added some good staff you could buy for subs, but if they will move everything to this crap, I will stay out of it completely.

Sad thing is, they always start with such crap when they gain players trust... It is not like they would have low sales now...

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sorry to be blunt but that's dumb....again sorry but you're asking if there is something someone can afford to buy, which involves their enjoyment.

Because they can't buy it unless they play the lotery, you're asking can't they live without it?

Well yeah, but up until now you could buy it.

That's like asking....can't you live without playing ESO?
If it was for sale and then unlisted everywhere only to be obtained from a lotery.

Wouldn't this be "dumb".

FYI: I'm not suggesting you're dumb but that the question in context was a poor one.

Well, I disagree.
If you're unhappy of not being able to buy a mount you like in a video game, if that impacts your enjoyment of life, you have frustration management issues.
If that impacts your enjoyment of the game, then imho you have frustration management issues too.

I'm the kind of person who enjoys everything that I like that's available, but doesn't waste time and energy over stuff that I would like but that is not available. Call that dumb all you like, I think it's healthy.

And no matter how much you like that mount, if it is only available through boxes, well, you're still free to buy or not to buy them, nobody forces you to buy.

The sky isn't falling because you can't have a mount.

bunnytrix

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Here's their response.
"Oh did we forget to mention ? Sorry! The boxes will all be locked. You will be able to buy Crown Store Keys in groups of 5, 10 and 100 for 500,1000, and 10000 crowns."

aether23

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I actually just bought this game and I'm disappointed to see these being implemented. I told my friends to get into this game because its one of the only good MMOs now that doesn't have random boxes and that doesn't try to nickle and dime players for every thing they can. As someone who's played Guild Wars 2, SWTOR, Marvel Heroes, TF2, Overwatch, and Smite I can definitely say that hiding cool exclusive items not only makes me never want to purchases boxes, it kills some of the enjoyment from the game from me which is why I don't play most of those games listed anymore. My only issue with the boxes is that there are exclusive items in them, if it was only cosmetics that are no longer available or consumables I couldn't care less. That being said, I do hope Zenimax has a limited time event where they bring back old crown store items into the crown store itself and not just the random boxes. TLDR; Random boxes are fine with me as long as there's no exclusive items in them and that they still bring back crown items that were previously for sale into the crown store for a limited time.

NewBlacksmurf

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Sorry to be blunt but that's dumb....again sorry but you're asking if there is something someone can afford to buy, which involves their enjoyment.

Because they can't buy it unless they play the lotery, you're asking can't they live without it?

Well yeah, but up until now you could buy it.

That's like asking....can't you live without playing ESO?
If it was for sale and then unlisted everywhere only to be obtained from a lotery.

Wouldn't this be "dumb".

FYI: I'm not suggesting you're dumb but that the question in context was a poor one.

Well, I disagree.
If you're unhappy of not being able to buy a mount you like in a video game, if that impacts your enjoyment of life, you have frustration management issues.
If that impacts your enjoyment of the game, then imho you have frustration management issues too.

I'm the kind of person who enjoys everything that I like that's available, but doesn't waste time and energy over stuff that I would like but that is not available. Call that dumb all you like, I think it's healthy.

And no matter how much you like that mount, if it is only available through boxes, well, you're still free to buy or not to buy them, nobody forces you to buy.

The sky isn't falling because you can't have a mount.

@anitajoneb17_ESO

Bolded part.....so when the things you like are removed and locked behind another system, is that O K?
See it's you saying its O K if it's things "I care for" and at the same time, "you people have issues" cause the things you care for.

Well, everyone who works has the right to spend their money as they please.
When something that's available is taken away, it's not some personality issue if someone is upset by that change.

The past has offered customers the option to buy items outright....and soon those exclusives will not be available as well as things missed unless you play the lottery chance system.

Do you not see how your comment is both hypocritical and off base?

This is much bigger than a mount and it's sad if you only see it as such.
ZOS has locked base game features behind subs , not DLC and now exclusives behind a lotery.

idk

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Zos ha a already stated this will not be P2W. Actually, they stated this well over a year ago that the crown store will not be P2W and they have kept it that way.

ZOS_Ragnar

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Rohamad_Ali

No, don't ever add these into the game.

World of Warcraft is still listed as the biggest MMO out there and they have loot boxes so I guess there's no choice but for ZOS to add loot boxes to compete . WoW also went F2P so we can expect to see that as well in th future . Wow also has instant max level characters if you go back , so probably see that too at some point .

Open world PvP ? Well if there copying everything , maybe .

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Elijah_Crow wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

AClockworkLime wrote: »

Unless all these crown store items secured through the lockboxes are tradable/sellable to other players, it's going to *** a LOT of people off when they open it and find they got something they already have...

The invented a whole new currency (Crown Gems) and a whole new store to deal with this. Both of which are obviously designed with the idea that you will buy more Crown Crates to get more duplicates so you can get more Crown Gems to spend in the Gem Store.

All roads lead to Rome.

Having this new currency is a good thing. It gives you an option to deal with items you receive that you don't want or already have, and allows them to make the items not tradeable or sellable in guild stores.

This prevents someone from spending real world money and selling the boxes or contents for in game gold which at that point becomes pay to win and destroys the economy.

Yes, a good thing. By doing it this way, they ensure that you continue to buy Crown Crates to get more Gems. The alternative, giving you an item you do not already have or just letting you spend Crowns on limited offer items, would bypass that entirely and reduce the need for you to purchase the Crown Crates.

See, the most important thing here is that people continue to buy Crown Crates. With Gems, they can even arrange it so that people continue to buy them, even if there is nothing that they do not already have. With every duplicate they get a new Gem, which is currency they will spend in the special store, reserved for special people who buy lots of Crown Crates.

This is a good thing. Am I Right? Of course I am.

The fantastic news is that this good thing will probably be sold in packs of 10 Crates for something like 3500 Crowns. If one Crate is good, ten crates is like, 10 times as good.

mateoz

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I was a hardcore fan of another MMO before ESO and left after 7 years because of random lottery box was added to the game.

Do they even know for a fact they will loose many customer doing this move?

The ones saying I unsub the day its released are not trolling, you will loose many hardcore fan.

dsalter

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

World of Warcraft is still listed as the biggest MMO out there and they have loot boxes so I guess there's no choice but for ZOS to add loot boxes to compete . WoW also went F2P so we can expect to see that as well in th future . Wow also has instant max level characters if you go back , so probably see that too at some point .

Open world PvP ? Well if there copying everything , maybe .

Wow is only F2P till level 20. which isn't even 10% of the game, as i recall theres no loot boxes, still sub based, has an ingame cash shop for mounts + tokens which can be sold ingame to others or redeemed for 30days play time (eve has half of this feature).
the last one is the most toxic tho.

MAdkat124b14_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

World of Warcraft is still listed as the biggest MMO out there and they have loot boxes so I guess there's no choice but for ZOS to add loot boxes to compete . WoW also went F2P so we can expect to see that as well in th future . Wow also has instant max level characters if you go back , so probably see that too at some point .

Open world PvP ? Well if there copying everything , maybe .

Outside of the max level character boost, everything you said was wrong.

dsalter

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

The fantastic news is that this good thing will probably be sold in packs of 10 Crates for something like 3500 Crowns. If one Crate is good, ten crates is like, 10 times as good.

you make it sound like the chance prize is 100%. from past experiences as well as friend experiences to get the "rare" nice prize is almost next to none. this is how they design it. i already posted in another thread a buddy on my steam list hammered out over $900 on DOTA2 chests for a specific set and guess what? he didnt get it.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

so when the things you like are removed and locked behind another system, is that O K?

Frankly ? Yes. Things (and people) I like can be here today and gone tomorrow. It doesn't have to be pleasant but I won't make myself unhappy about it, nor consider that it was my *right* that things remained the way they were.

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Do you not see how your comment is both hypocritical and off base?

Frankly ? No.

LadyNalcarya

No, don't ever add these into the game.

dsalter wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

The fantastic news is that this good thing will probably be sold in packs of 10 Crates for something like 3500 Crowns. If one Crate is good, ten crates is like, 10 times as good.

you make it sound like the chance prize is 100%. from past experiences as well as friend experiences to get the "rare" nice prize is almost next to none. this is how they design it. i already posted in another thread a buddy on my steam list hammered out over $900 on DOTA2 chests for a specific set and guess what? he didnt get it.

In Dota, you can at least buy or trade the items, without touching rng boxes...
Of course, this system is not gonna work in mmo.
But I mean, in our case, rng boxes would be the only way to get special items (yeah there will be some gems, but it doesnt even sound reliable).

dsalter

No, don't ever add these into the game.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

The fantastic news is that this good thing will probably be sold in packs of 10 Crates for something like 3500 Crowns. If one Crate is good, ten crates is like, 10 times as good.

you make it sound like the chance prize is 100%. from past experiences as well as friend experiences to get the "rare" nice prize is almost next to none. this is how they design it. i already posted in another thread a buddy on my steam list hammered out over $900 on DOTA2 chests for a specific set and guess what? he didnt get it.

In Dota, you can at least buy or trade the items, without touching rng boxes...
Of course, this system is not gonna work in mmo.

actually many boxes these days dont allow trading. excluding the insanely low drop chance stuff, which at the time my buddy couldnt buy due to needing to wait till they were tradable, which took a while. chance to get it grabbed him. and now he's $900 down.

luen79rwb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Well poll results so far show a vast advantage to people against this feature.

There are also some really good ideas to work around these boxes comming to ESO.

ZOS please listen to your community!

Frantastick

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Don't remove the rarity of some mounts.

LadyNalcarya

No, don't ever add these into the game.

dsalter wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

The fantastic news is that this good thing will probably be sold in packs of 10 Crates for something like 3500 Crowns. If one Crate is good, ten crates is like, 10 times as good.

you make it sound like the chance prize is 100%. from past experiences as well as friend experiences to get the "rare" nice prize is almost next to none. this is how they design it. i already posted in another thread a buddy on my steam list hammered out over $900 on DOTA2 chests for a specific set and guess what? he didnt get it.

In Dota, you can at least buy or trade the items, without touching rng boxes...
Of course, this system is not gonna work in mmo.

actually many boxes these days dont allow trading. excluding the insanely low drop chance stuff, which at the time my buddy couldnt buy due to needing to wait till they were tradable, which took a while. chance to get it grabbed him. and now he's $900 down.

Really?
Wow, that sucks. I remember buying some items as a gift for my brother (it was last year I think? Maybe earlier), and all were available from the marketplace.

Mercutio

I am going to say something that may come back to bite me in my hairy butt, but oh well:

I have faith in the developers.

So far they have always done the right thing by monetization. I was even giving them kudos in response to this BDO rant video less than a week ago:

[Removing video for profanity]

People talk about cosmetics as if they are no big deal. The truth though is that cosmetics are very important to a lot of players. Dressing up our digital alter ego is a huge source of fun.

If ZOS makes items exclusive to RNG it will create a caste system - those who can afford to spend lots of money on lock boxes and those who cannot.

This never ends well for the overall health of the game. Being reminded that you're just an average schlub in game, just as most of us are in real life, is not the emotion most devs want their customers to experience.

Still, they have to make money.

It is my hope that everything sold in the lock boxes eventually becomes purchasable outright via the cash shop.

I don't know exactly how this will play out, but I'm going to reserve judgement till it goes live.

Lord_Wrath

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Wow wrote: »

It's kinda predatory practice. People would end up spending so much more money just to get the desired item rather than selling the item normally on the Crown Store.

This says it all. Theres absolutely no reason items should be taken away from the crown store and put into RNG boxes, this is extremely low ZoS.

Bandit1215

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Cazzy wrote: »

My voice will be lost in this thread but I'm not going to stay silent.

If/when they implement this or confirm it, I will have to say goodbye.

I have an addictive personality (been sober for about 6 years now) and ESO is (or was) my escape, my joy. I love collecting mounts, pets and costumes but I try to be very conscious with what I'm buying. Items that hide behind gambling boxes takes my choice away. I can't choose it. I can't decide what I purchase.

This makes me unhappy.

When a game that made me feel such joy suddenly makes me feel unhappy, I can't support it.

I looked at the crown store showcase again after the boxes were announced and realised I had lost my excitement for the costume and mount being released for a "Limited Time". I was looking forward to them only yesterday.

Make as big or as little of a deal of this as you will, but you're asking for real world money.

I genuinely supported you. I've got fan t-shirts and have stayed up until 5am to watch streams and live shows. I feel like I've met a hero and all he turned out to be is a greedy man in an expensive suit.

So basically you are leaving the game because you don't want to buy things from the crown store, and you are upset because they are trying to make money.... even though the things they will be selling are merely cosmetic. I'm very confused.

Mix

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Ok, I voted on the basis that the boxes would ONLY contain discontinued crown store items. Then I saw someone post a Youtube video of the ESO Tavern talk where he says there will be an exclusive tier of mounts only available in the boxes. That I really don't like and would change my vote to NO if it would let me.

Don't get me wrong I like goodie bags (yay Witches Festival) but I would rather see the items rotate onto the crown store at full price than have people gambling (someone wrote a good post about gambling addiction) to get their desired item:(

@Bandit1215 and @Cazzy The point Cazzy is making is that right now you can see a preview of something you really want to buy and then you wait for them to put it up, probably limited time offer only, and then you purchase it. A planned purchase to get the item you want. Now, if that item is only available via RNG boxes you could buy 1 or 100 boxes to get the item you want. People who have a problem with gambling and addictions have a lot of trouble saying "no" to things like this. (I have trouble saying no to the chance of awesome things too and I can see how easy it would be for me to spend too much money on it) The problem here is that in order to collect these exclusive items you have to gamble and for anyone with previous addiction problems that isn't a temptation they need. If leaving ESO is what Cazzy needs to do to remove that temptation...it makes me very sad to see someone have to abandon a past-time they love because of something like this.