What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

MacCait wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

As long as they don't put limited subscriber items like the first senche mount and the mask of cheerful slaughter in them I am fine with it.

As I understood it, they will give a chance, albeit very rare, to win such limited items... which I disagree with as it causes a gambling mentality, where players who have problems with gambling end up spending £100's.

I know may players in dcuo who spent litterally £100's for Booster Bundle boxes. When they didn't get that special aura, they bought another box and repeated until they got one. A business model like this takes advantage of people with such problems in self-control. That is quite shameless.

If this goes ahead, ZOS has lost my respect

They said they won't be adding subscriber reward items. It's still gambling for anything you want, but they aren't offering every item that's existed.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Recremen wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

As long as they don't put limited subscriber items like the first senche mount and the mask of cheerful slaughter in them I am fine with it.

As I understood it, they will give a chance, albeit very rare, to win such limited items... which I disagree with as it causes a gambling mentality, where players who have problems with gambling end up spending £100's.

I know may players in dcuo who spent litterally £100's for Booster Bundle boxes. When they didn't get that special aura, they bought another box and repeated until they got one. A business model like this takes advantage of people with such problems in self-control. That is quite shameless.

If this goes ahead, ZOS has lost my respect

They said they won't be adding subscriber reward items. It's still gambling for anything you want, but they aren't offering every item that's existed.

I personally think they should have kept the subscriber rewards system for subs and continued adding to it. I know a lot of folks might want them, and they should get a chance to get them if they are subscribers.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

kensan62_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Why dont they raise the monthly fee for existing subscribers to $19.99 a month while they are at it and just *** all the players they can off. Im really hating on ZOS right now. I feel like they traded the value of their players in for a cash grab. Bad form ZOS!

leepalmer95

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Not sure what the price is going to be, but it would be nice if they added one or more boxes to the monthly sub bonus, e.g. the 1500 crowns + boxes.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

Well the thing with the gamble boxes unless all the items in them are tradeable I do not support this feature. Its too much rng and yes it will be abused most likly because of the money gain. But I imagine that they won't abuse it as much as cryptic. I think you would have a much better chance at getting something at least with zenimax. But still I don't like the gamble.

Esquire1980g_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The biggest problem with this is, that I cannot believe them anymore - they say, it will be just cosmetic, but I just cannot believe them, they did not stick to what they said in the past, why would they do that in future?- Soon there can be mats in those boxes, ruining the prices, and why would they stop there?- I cannot trust into a future in ESO anymore, it is basically pointless to progress my characters - I will have a look at all those regions, which I have not seen yet and which are coming out in the next year - and that was Tamriel unlimited then to me - I did not expect it to mean "unlimited greed".

On the bright side of it - they came out with this, before I bought houses - so this saves at least this frustration to have wasted even more on this game. It could have been a great and outstanding game, but it will now be just another cash-grab MMO. Because this is what these boxes mean - the majority of those, who will buy these boxes will have to pay far more for any item they want, if they will get it at all, that is.

And if cash grab MMO, why would I want to play this one - there are so many features this game does not have, which others offer - if the cash grab is pretty much the same, why would I want to put up with this one, where I cannot even get decent hairstyles or cloth physics.

Came to that conclusion about an hour ago, myself.

I know they lost 2 subs today. My wife's and my own. Left a message on our guild tht if anyone wants the guild, they can have it.

It's really sad, especially when i see that your forum nickname has the _ESO extension - so you are a loyal player since beta. Do you know, what I think will be such "exclusive" RNG box items eventually?- well done furniture for houses, the crappy one in the cash shop for normal, but those which can actually be used in such a box - it is purely cosmetic - this is how this will end up and it will just get worse from there.

Been here, done that, got the T-shirt and the ball-cap.

Seen way too many games that have went this route. Beta in SWG, beta in STO, beta in TOR, etc etc etc. I have to admit that I thought of housing and how it would come to us, myself.

Just not going to do it again. Wife just told me to pick an SWGEMU server and we'll go back to that. At least there, ANY server runner can NOT charge for anything or they feel the wrath of Lucas Arts and/or Disney.

Recremen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

MacCait wrote: »

timidobserver wrote: »

As long as they don't put limited subscriber items like the first senche mount and the mask of cheerful slaughter in them I am fine with it.

As I understood it, they will give a chance, albeit very rare, to win such limited items... which I disagree with as it causes a gambling mentality, where players who have problems with gambling end up spending £100's.

I know may players in dcuo who spent litterally £100's for Booster Bundle boxes. When they didn't get that special aura, they bought another box and repeated until they got one. A business model like this takes advantage of people with such problems in self-control. That is quite shameless.

If this goes ahead, ZOS has lost my respect

They said they won't be adding subscriber reward items. It's still gambling for anything you want, but they aren't offering every item that's existed.

I personally think they should have kept the subscriber rewards system for subs and continued adding to it. I know a lot of folks might want them, and they should get a chance to get them if they are subscribers.

I really can't disagree about the subscriber rewards system, it pains me to think I have something that half or more of the player base will never be able to have even a hope of getting. That said, they are at least keeping ESO+ relevant with systems like costume dyeing, plus continuous access to all DLC. Now if we could only get a restyling sytem out of it...

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

Bad enough that you do not see it as reasonable, if we do not want to support a game which preys on people with a gambling addiction and those who have low self-control, when it comes to getting what they want - some of them will spend thousands of dollars on this - I have seen that in Archeage - they might even get themselves and their families into real nasty situations due to that they have no control over this or are too weak - this is not that far from what Cazzy said - but it does not apply just to Cazzy - and it can effect even those, who are not yet having this problem - they can get addicted to gambling.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

Bad enough that you do not see it as reasonable, if we do not want to support a game which preys on people with a gambling addiction and those who have low self-control, when it comes to getting what they want - some of them will spend thousands of dollars on this - I have seen that in Archeage - they might even get themselves and their families into real nasty situations due to that they have no control over this or are too weak - this is not that far from what Cazzy said - but it does not apply just to Cazzy - and it can effect even those, who are not yet having this problem - they can get addicted to gambling.

I guess we could all just live in individual bubbles and hope that no one talks to, takes advantage of, or bumps into us.

Honestly, it is NOT ZoS responsibility if you can't control yourself. I am a FIRM believer in personal responsibility. A select few have a legitimate problem, but the vast majority just use it as a cop out.

NewBlacksmurf

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

What's overreacting @Bouldercleave when the company tells us we'll have a live stream. Then ironically we won't but a player tells us on Reddit and then we ask here and find out when the broadcast should be live

Later we also read that no info will be provided until days later mid next week.

Next you hear Matt F literally announce that loot boxes will grant crown items in two categories where one is super special which also gives rewards you already have and this turns into crown gems which is another currency for other crown gem item store.

The concept is literally a digital gamble site which actually requires real money to participate in this lotery to obtain super exclusive items. As of now, we've not been able to obtain crown items in-game and no announcement suggests that will change so people who do financially support buying from the crown store are justified in being upset as this requires the customer to spend a lot more real money vs just buying at a set price.

Customer choice is now being removed to force you to buy at a high price for limited time items or buy more loot boxes for items we missed.
That's not optional it's a requirement. While some argue no one has to buy crown items, that's true but then what's the point of playing if all the nice cosmetic items are real money exclusive.

Assistant merchant, bank assistant, crafting bags, costume dyes, extra character slot, character edits, etc.
It's not optional and the intentional design leads customers to buy as results of being corned into a situation and sure you can always just delete and start over but....follow the business model and the trends here.

It's going to cause such reactions.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

What's overreacting @Bouldercleave when the company tells us we'll have a live stream. Then ironically we won't but a player tells us on Reddit and then we ask here and find out when the broadcast should be live

Later we also read that no info will be provided until days later mid next week.

Next you hear Matt F literally announce that loot boxes will grant crown items in two categories where one is super special which also gives rewards you already have and this turns into crown gems which is another currency for other crown gem item store.

The concept is literally a digital gamble site which actually requires real money to participate in this lotery to obtain super exclusive items. As of now, we've not been able to obtain crown items in-game and no announcement suggests that will change so people who do financially support buying from the crown store are justified in being upset as this requires the customer to spend a lot more real money vs just buying at a set price.

Customer choice is now being removed to force you to buy at a high price for limited time items or buy more loot boxes for items we missed.
That's not optional it's a requirement. While some argue no one has to buy crown items, that's true but then what's the point of playing if all the nice cosmetic items are real money exclusive.

Assistant merchant, bank assistant, crafting bags, costume dyes, extra character slot, character edits, etc.
It's not optional and the intentional design leads customers to buy as results of being corned into a situation and sure you can always just delete and start over but....follow the business model and the trends here.

It's going to cause such reactions.

See, that's the thing - it IS 100% optional. There is ZERO requirement to have ANYTHING from the crown store. Just because you WANT it, does not make it a requirement.

I have been here from the beginning, and I do not have an assistant merchant, bank assistant, extra character slot, and have never edited my character. I do have the bag and dyes because I'm an ESO + suscriber.

You absolutely do not need any of these items to complete or be competitive in this game. You simply cannot tell me that you do when I have played from launch (with a bit of a break in there) and have none of the items.

Morimizo

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Encouraging gambling is completely irresponsible, and it is my opinion that ZOS should have to get a Gambling License to implement this feature, like any online Casino. It isn't just a cash 'grab' it's 'throwing their customers down a well and looting their house while boasting about how said customer is stupid, gullible, and weak.'

This feature, no matter how many other games also implement it, is repugnant.

Instead of just creating content and offering it in an honest, transparent way, they choose to artificially inflate the cost and never guarantee customers will get anything close to what they wanted. I wonder how popular this would be at a car dealership? You might get a car! A truck! A piece of the old, crumbling sidewalk behind the garage! Such joy and mystery!

ZOS, you are taking EXTREME advantage of any goodwill your initial hard work has provided you.

Do you remember the story of the Oakenshield clan, doomed by their Gold Sickness?

Well, my dear ZOS,

YOU HAVE IT.

DaGhostDS

No, don't ever add these into the game.

TLDR of this Thread : Gambling box are evil, dont go there Zenimax.

Tavore1138

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Another thing they said they would not do tossed out the window, have ZOS ever actually kept to anything they have said?

NewBlacksmurf

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

What's overreacting @Bouldercleave when the company tells us we'll have a live stream. Then ironically we won't but a player tells us on Reddit and then we ask here and find out when the broadcast should be live

Later we also read that no info will be provided until days later mid next week.

Next you hear Matt F literally announce that loot boxes will grant crown items in two categories where one is super special which also gives rewards you already have and this turns into crown gems which is another currency for other crown gem item store.

The concept is literally a digital gamble site which actually requires real money to participate in this lotery to obtain super exclusive items. As of now, we've not been able to obtain crown items in-game and no announcement suggests that will change so people who do financially support buying from the crown store are justified in being upset as this requires the customer to spend a lot more real money vs just buying at a set price.

Customer choice is now being removed to force you to buy at a high price for limited time items or buy more loot boxes for items we missed.
That's not optional it's a requirement. While some argue no one has to buy crown items, that's true but then what's the point of playing if all the nice cosmetic items are real money exclusive.

Assistant merchant, bank assistant, crafting bags, costume dyes, extra character slot, character edits, etc.
It's not optional and the intentional design leads customers to buy as results of being corned into a situation and sure you can always just delete and start over but....follow the business model and the trends here.

It's going to cause such reactions.

See, that's the thing - it IS 100% optional. There is ZERO requirement to have ANYTHING from the crown store. Just because you WANT it, does not make it a requirement.

I have been here from the beginning, and I do not have an assistant merchant, bank assistant, extra character slot, and have never edited my character. I do have the bag and dyes because I'm an ESO + suscriber.

You absolutely do not need any of these items to complete or be competitive in this game. You simply cannot tell me that you do when I have played from launch (with a bit of a break in there) and have none of the items.

@Bouldercleave

Do you even play the game fully?
I'm a casual and even I need to either sub or buy DLC. That's a requirement first and foremost.

Next, as results of any left over crowns or even if you just let them stack up, adding a lottery and locking items behind this is intentionally hoping to get players to spend crowns.

Let's just stay there....please explain to me how not buying DLC and not subbing is optional to play the game
You literally cannot access as of One Tamriel some of the required areas that you'll have to use a boat as means of travel because per ZOS you won't be able to jump from faction to faction without a boat.

Look at the dock travel......now.....
Please detail how you can play with no DLC and no sub

Adding this lottery and saying ppl are overreacting is like having a large successful church and then the town goes and adds 4 strip Luna, bars, clubs and underground xxx stores and sex shops sharing the same parking lot and entrances. That's literally how close this is

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Well, german laws are pretty specific about this thing - here what google brought up - and i will translate

Der Wucher ist in § 138 Abs. 2 BGB gesetzlich geregelt. Er stellt einen Unterfall des sittenwidrigen Rechtsgeschäftes dar. Ein Wucher liegt dann vor, wenn ein Angebot einer Leistung zu einer deutlich überhöhten Gegenleistung unter Ausnutzung einer Schwächesituation des Vertragspartners vereinbart wird.

Wucher is a term regulated in paragraph 138/2 of the civilian law book. It is a special case of an immoral business deal. Wucher is given, if an offer for a service is made, which leads to a significantly increased payment of the other side whilst abusing a weakness of the contract partner.

Well, Wucher is forbidden in Germany and illegal - and this is maybe the way to stop this once the officials know about this. The EU servers are in Frankfurt, Germany, they are subject to german law by this.

So this is not just reasonable to be against this - it is actually lawful. And you should realize, that it is not even relevant if there is an actual business deal made - the OFFER alone is already illegal.

WhiteCoatSyndrome

No, don't ever add these into the game.

In addition to the above, lockboxes add nothing as far as actual real value to the game itself--we already had a format for getting new mounts and costumes; the basic Crown Store. So they spent dev time making RNG boxes instead of making a new dungeon, or writing up a new quest, or designing a new set bonus.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

What's overreacting @Bouldercleave when the company tells us we'll have a live stream. Then ironically we won't but a player tells us on Reddit and then we ask here and find out when the broadcast should be live

Later we also read that no info will be provided until days later mid next week.

Next you hear Matt F literally announce that loot boxes will grant crown items in two categories where one is super special which also gives rewards you already have and this turns into crown gems which is another currency for other crown gem item store.

The concept is literally a digital gamble site which actually requires real money to participate in this lotery to obtain super exclusive items. As of now, we've not been able to obtain crown items in-game and no announcement suggests that will change so people who do financially support buying from the crown store are justified in being upset as this requires the customer to spend a lot more real money vs just buying at a set price.

Customer choice is now being removed to force you to buy at a high price for limited time items or buy more loot boxes for items we missed.
That's not optional it's a requirement. While some argue no one has to buy crown items, that's true but then what's the point of playing if all the nice cosmetic items are real money exclusive.

Assistant merchant, bank assistant, crafting bags, costume dyes, extra character slot, character edits, etc.
It's not optional and the intentional design leads customers to buy as results of being corned into a situation and sure you can always just delete and start over but....follow the business model and the trends here.

It's going to cause such reactions.

See, that's the thing - it IS 100% optional. There is ZERO requirement to have ANYTHING from the crown store. Just because you WANT it, does not make it a requirement.

I have been here from the beginning, and I do not have an assistant merchant, bank assistant, extra character slot, and have never edited my character. I do have the bag and dyes because I'm an ESO + suscriber.

You absolutely do not need any of these items to complete or be competitive in this game. You simply cannot tell me that you do when I have played from launch (with a bit of a break in there) and have none of the items.

@Bouldercleave

Do you even play the game fully?
I'm a casual and even I need to either sub or buy DLC. That's a requirement first and foremost.

Yes I do. And no you do not need to sub or buy DLC to complete the game.

Next, as results of any left over crowns or even if you just let them stack up, adding a lottery and locking items behind this is intentionally hoping to get players to spend crowns.

Of course it is meant to get people to spend their crowns. Why else would they offer it?

Let's just stay there....please explain to me how not buying DLC and not subbing is optional to play the game
You literally cannot access as of One Tamriel some of the required areas that you'll have to use a boat as means of travel because per ZOS you won't be able to jump from faction to faction without a boat.

One Tamriel isn't even out yet. You may need a boat, but how is that linked to DLC purchase or a sub?

Look at the dock travel......now.....
Please detail how you can play with no DLC and no sub

Please explain to me how you WOULD need them. I can access ANY of the non DLC areas via wayshrine. One would think boat travel would be open to all as well

Adding this lottery and saying ppl are overreacting is like having a large successful church and then the town goes and adds 4 strip Luna, bars, clubs and underground xxx stores and sex shops sharing the same parking lot and entrances. That's literally how close this is

That is the single dumbest analogy that I have ever heard.

b92303008rwb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

If those very unique items are not exclusive to the crates then I can live with it. If not, this pretty much means farewell.

elvenmad

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Legally this is not gambling

Morimizo wrote: »

Encouraging gambling is completely irresponsible, and it is my opinion that ZOS should have to get a Gambling License to implement this feature

This feature, no matter how many other games also implement it, is repugnant.

I agree, but legally it is not gambling because of one fact, you purchase the boxes/RNG items using exclusively the game's own currency which legally as no monetary value except to the company in question, thats how they bypass the laws.

This is the one main reason why online games have their own currency systems for buying virtual items it voids them of all and every consumer law.

The only item that involves a monetary transaction and which is covered by consumer laws worldwide is the purchase of (in this company's case) 'Crowns' and as long as you receive the correct amount of Crowns you agreed to pay for the company as complied with the law, from there on you are on your own and the company can do whatever they want concerning items purchased via Crowns all because as mentioned Crowns are not a legally recognised currency.

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

I want to hear more about this 'boat' thing I've been hearing about... perhaps this is only for people that don't have the ability to 'teleport to friend/guild mate' option?!? Because right now zones that are level locked, I can teleport to guild mate and it puts me in a wayshrine in that area and from that point forward the zone is unlocked. That works for 'home' alliance zones, but for alternate alliance zones, right now they only unlock once you hit level 50- and then I can wayshrine to guild mate to reach those areas.

So I guess I'm a bit confused as to where/when these 'boats' come in to play... if they're for those below level 50 or will everyone have to paddle their way to alternate alliance zones?!? I'd think the wayshrine system would still work, so this boat concept is confusing.

milesrodneymcneely2_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I really hate a lot of the new lingo, particularly calling something distasteful "cancer".

However, random loot boxes in MMORPGs are worse than cancer, AIDS, genocide, and tennis visors combined.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

It still is Wucher in Germany and illegal to offer such a deal - it does not even have to be in the real world, this law applies to any kind of world, even a virtual one, because it is about taking advantage of someone by abusing his/her weaknesses.

What many might not know is, that Germany does not follow capitalism - it is a social-oriented economy - and such deals are forbidden - it's called "soziale Marktwirtschaft" if you want to look it up.

ADarklore

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Lysette wrote: »

It still is Wucher in Germany and illegal to offer such a deal - it does not even have to be in the real world, this law applies to any kind of world, even a virtual one, because it is about taking advantage of someone by abusing his/her weaknesses.

Makes me wonder if ZOS has consulted local/country laws before coming up with this concept. Because I know other games do exactly the same thing and they're still operating world-wide.

Garldeen

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Morimizo wrote: »

Encouraging gambling is completely irresponsible, and it is my opinion that ZOS should have to get a Gambling License to implement this feature, like any online Casino. It isn't just a cash 'grab' it's 'throwing their customers down a well and looting their house while boasting about how said customer is stupid, gullible, and weak.'

This feature, no matter how many other games also implement it, is repugnant.

Instead of just creating content and offering it in an honest, transparent way, they choose to artificially inflate the cost and never guarantee customers will get anything close to what they wanted. I wonder how popular this would be at a car dealership? You might get a car! A truck! A piece of the old, crumbling sidewalk behind the garage! Such joy and mystery!

ZOS, you are taking EXTREME advantage of any goodwill your initial hard work has provided you.

Do you remember the story of the Oakenshield clan, doomed by their Gold Sickness?

Well, my dear ZOS,

YOU HAVE IT.

To be fair, the piece of path would have been faster than my first car

You make a good point. We wouldn't accept it in any other part of life, so why online

NewBlacksmurf

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

You people act like ZoS has a flippin gun to your temple.

So much drama and overreaction about an OPTIONAL feature of the game.

The ONLY one here that I can agree with though is Cazzy. At lease Cazzy had a rational reason for disliking the feature.

What's overreacting @Bouldercleave when the company tells us we'll have a live stream. Then ironically we won't but a player tells us on Reddit and then we ask here and find out when the broadcast should be live

Later we also read that no info will be provided until days later mid next week.

Next you hear Matt F literally announce that loot boxes will grant crown items in two categories where one is super special which also gives rewards you already have and this turns into crown gems which is another currency for other crown gem item store.

The concept is literally a digital gamble site which actually requires real money to participate in this lotery to obtain super exclusive items. As of now, we've not been able to obtain crown items in-game and no announcement suggests that will change so people who do financially support buying from the crown store are justified in being upset as this requires the customer to spend a lot more real money vs just buying at a set price.

Customer choice is now being removed to force you to buy at a high price for limited time items or buy more loot boxes for items we missed.
That's not optional it's a requirement. While some argue no one has to buy crown items, that's true but then what's the point of playing if all the nice cosmetic items are real money exclusive.

Assistant merchant, bank assistant, crafting bags, costume dyes, extra character slot, character edits, etc.
It's not optional and the intentional design leads customers to buy as results of being corned into a situation and sure you can always just delete and start over but....follow the business model and the trends here.

It's going to cause such reactions.

See, that's the thing - it IS 100% optional. There is ZERO requirement to have ANYTHING from the crown store. Just because you WANT it, does not make it a requirement.

I have been here from the beginning, and I do not have an assistant merchant, bank assistant, extra character slot, and have never edited my character. I do have the bag and dyes because I'm an ESO + suscriber.

You absolutely do not need any of these items to complete or be competitive in this game. You simply cannot tell me that you do when I have played from launch (with a bit of a break in there) and have none of the items.

@Bouldercleave

Do you even play the game fully?
I'm a casual and even I need to either sub or buy DLC. That's a requirement first and foremost.

Yes I do. And no you do not need to sub or buy DLC to complete the game.

Next, as results of any left over crowns or even if you just let them stack up, adding a lottery and locking items behind this is intentionally hoping to get players to spend crowns.

Of course it is meant to get people to spend their crowns. Why else would they offer it?

Let's just stay there....please explain to me how not buying DLC and not subbing is optional to play the game
You literally cannot access as of One Tamriel some of the required areas that you'll have to use a boat as means of travel because per ZOS you won't be able to jump from faction to faction without a boat.

One Tamriel isn't even out yet. You may need a boat, but how is that linked to DLC purchase or a sub?

Look at the dock travel......now.....
Please detail how you can play with no DLC and no sub

Please explain to me how you WOULD need them. I can access ANY of the non DLC areas via wayshrine. One would think boat travel would be open to all as well

Adding this lottery and saying ppl are overreacting is like having a large successful church and then the town goes and adds 4 strip Luna, bars, clubs and underground xxx stores and sex shops sharing the same parking lot and entrances. That's literally how close this is

That is the single dumbest analogy that I have ever heard.

@Bouldercleave

Do you not understand it?

Churches are places for people to get their lives right based on their beliefs.
Placing many different temptations around them but saying Hey...it's optional. They don't have to partake

That's what ZOS is doing with the loot boxes.
Options are fine and all but when you take marketing and options to a point where you've positioned access to require in this case crown purchases and reoccurring real money purchases to access content or items, it's morally wrong based on actual laws and statutes in some places.

There is no need for the game to be further monetized and if ZOS is in financial trouble there are other ways that are moral to gain revenue.

Why do you feel that as long as it's optional, it's O k?

dodgehopper_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

This kind of *** really kills the soul of an MMO. I really hope they don't do this.

Lysette

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ADarklore wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

It still is Wucher in Germany and illegal to offer such a deal - it does not even have to be in the real world, this law applies to any kind of world, even a virtual one, because it is about taking advantage of someone by abusing his/her weaknesses.

Makes me wonder if ZOS has consulted local/country laws before coming up with this concept. Because I know other games do exactly the same thing and they're still operating world-wide.

But they do not have their server in germany - this makes a difference, because ZOS has their EU servers in Germany, and so the offer is issued from germany and is under german jurisdiction by that.

MasterSpatula

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

In SWTOR community was divided . Half liked idea half didn't . Now the game is so empty you can count one one hand players in new zones and people that supported it crying on forums no one to play with and no more customer support . Players against it warned the supporters they would be on empty servers in a year . They were right . Game went F2P no box sales to try to get people back , didn't work .MMOs are dependent on large populations for group dungeons and PvP to stay healthy . Stupid cash grab argument no one wins , all will lose as population dwindles . Trust history of all games dead from this .

Yeah, but a lot of people also left SWTOR over global level scaling, and the ESO player base is actually excited about this idea. The again, the ESO community was nearly unanimous in thinking that removing softcaps was a good idea....

As for gamble boxes, big nope from me. They're not just a bad idea; they're an insulting idea.