What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

Anyway, @Lysette do you want ZOS to have grounds to shut down, and lock this thread? Ensuring that our comments on the subject are lost? Then let's get off this Vaterland uber alles guff, and get back on topic.

you are right, it was never my intention to go that far - but this "money is king" thing just p*ssed me off.

Lex1006 · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -

First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.

In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.

With all due respect, I think ZOS is missing the point here. It's a move thats incredibly disrespectful of those of us that are willing to pay a premium for cosmetic items *provided that we know what we're getting*

I've spent around $500 on this game since it came out, and I don't regret any of it. However, if ZOS moves forward with this idea, I will walk away from this game. Hopefully others will too. Sometimes you have to make a stand.

petraeus1 · August 2016

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

starkerealm wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

kumatab14_ESO wrote: »

Calling it now. All future holiday costumes/mounts will be a Crown Crate exclusive. New items will be added to the Crown Store, but at a slower rate and the items will be of lower quality. Eventually everything will be pushed into a crate. That is the way all of these stupid gambling boxes go.

i'v seen this happen to, CS:GO is an example of a B2P with boxes. default game never gets new content but guess what does?

At least STO actually gets new content... every other year.

New Lockboxes roll out every three months though.

I mean ESO has this too - the Crown Store gets updates more frequently than the actual game. That's fine.

Real bad would be if they're moving upcoming stock from the shelf into the boxes. In DOTA 2 for example pretty much all new skins are gated behind RNG. That's not cool. But speculation, speculation.

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Anyway, @Lysette do you want ZOS to have grounds to shut down, and lock this thread? Ensuring that our comments on the subject are lost? Then let's get off this Vaterland uber alles guff, and get back on topic.

you are right, it was never my intention to go that far - but this "money is king" thing just p*ssed me off.

That part I can understand completely. I'm really not happy with it either.

Jaronking · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

If its only comsmatic like swtor am perfectly fine with it.

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Jaronking wrote: »

If its only comsmatic like swtor am perfectly fine with it.

Pretty sure TOR chucked upgradable items into those that were significantly more powerful than anything you could get in game. Which, to be fair, they started by saying it would only be cosmetic stuff... and we're here now. $:\$

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

If its only comsmatic like swtor am perfectly fine with it.

Pretty sure TOR chucked upgradable items into those that were significantly more powerful than anything you could get in game. Which, to be fair, they started by saying it would only be cosmetic stuff... and we're here now. $:\$

That and Swtor is dead now . GG .

LadyNalcarya · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

petraeus1 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

kumatab14_ESO wrote: »

Calling it now. All future holiday costumes/mounts will be a Crown Crate exclusive. New items will be added to the Crown Store, but at a slower rate and the items will be of lower quality. Eventually everything will be pushed into a crate. That is the way all of these stupid gambling boxes go.

i'v seen this happen to, CS:GO is an example of a B2P with boxes. default game never gets new content but guess what does?

At least STO actually gets new content... every other year.

New Lockboxes roll out every three months though.

I mean ESO has this too - the Crown Store gets updates more frequently than the actual game. That's fine.

Real bad would be if they're moving upcoming stock from the shelf into the boxes. In DOTA 2 for example pretty much all new skins are gated behind RNG. That's not cool. But speculation, speculation.

Dota 2 is a free to play game though.
And in ESO we need to pay for the base game, for sub/dlcs, costume/mount prices in crown store are already quite hefty, so... It looks like a shameless money grab. Seems like they saw that those 4k crowns mounts sold well and were like: what if we make players pay 10+k instead of 4k?
Also there's one more important thing. ZOS is known for screwing up people with their rng, a good example would be vMA drop rate: there's many people who couldnt get a weapon they wanted even after 100s of runs. And I'm 100% sure it will be like this with any rng based mechanic they made...

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

If its only comsmatic like swtor am perfectly fine with it.

Pretty sure TOR chucked upgradable items into those that were significantly more powerful than anything you could get in game. Which, to be fair, they started by saying it would only be cosmetic stuff... and we're here now. $:\$

That and Swtor is dead now . GG .

Every MMO I've ever played that went to a luckybag system.... every single one. They started by saying, "it will only be cosmetic stuff," even Cryptic. Every. Single. One.

None of them have kept that promise.

Not a single example.

Everyone of them decided, at some point down the line, to start selling more powerful crap in the luckybags.

Bouldercleave · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

starkerealm wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Anyway, @Lysette do you want ZOS to have grounds to shut down, and lock this thread? Ensuring that our comments on the subject are lost? Then let's get off this Vaterland uber alles guff, and get back on topic.

you are right, it was never my intention to go that far - but this "money is king" thing just p*ssed me off.

That part I can understand completely. I'm really not happy with it either.

That is because sometimes the truth stings a bit. Like I stated, I wish it wasn't like that, but the reality is that it is the world that we currently live in. No borders, no culture differences, no BS.

There are scandals, money grabs, and power plays in EVERY industry, from EVERY culture, and from almost EVERY company.

Do you think Bill Gates got rich by being a super nice guy? How about Matthias Mueller (German)? or Masashi Muromachi (Japanese)?

The rich only want one thing - to get richer.

dsalter · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

kumatab14_ESO wrote: »

Calling it now. All future holiday costumes/mounts will be a Crown Crate exclusive. New items will be added to the Crown Store, but at a slower rate and the items will be of lower quality. Eventually everything will be pushed into a crate. That is the way all of these stupid gambling boxes go.

i'v seen this happen to, CS:GO is an example of a B2P with boxes. default game never gets new content but guess what does?

At least STO actually gets new content... every other year.

New Lockboxes roll out every three months though.

I mean ESO has this too - the Crown Store gets updates more frequently than the actual game. That's fine.

Real bad would be if they're moving upcoming stock from the shelf into the boxes. In DOTA 2 for example pretty much all new skins are gated behind RNG. That's not cool. But speculation, speculation.

Dota 2 is a free to play game though.
And in ESO we need to pay for the base game, for sub/dlcs, costume/mount prices in crown store are already quite hefty, so... It looks like a shameless money grab. Seems like they saw that those 4k crowns mounts sold well and were like: what if we make players pay 10+k instead of 4k?
Also there's one more important thing. ZOS is known for screwing up people with their rng, a good example would be vMA drop rate: there's many people who couldnt get a weapon they wanted even after 100s of runs. And I'm 100% sure it will be like this with any rng based mechanic they made...

change his DOTA2 into CS:GO and it holds true since CS = B2P

Rohamad_Ali · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

starkerealm wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

If its only comsmatic like swtor am perfectly fine with it.

Pretty sure TOR chucked upgradable items into those that were significantly more powerful than anything you could get in game. Which, to be fair, they started by saying it would only be cosmetic stuff... and we're here now. $:\$

That and Swtor is dead now . GG .

Every MMO I've ever played that went to a luckybag system.... every single one. They started by saying, "it will only be cosmetic stuff," even Cryptic. Every. Single. One.

None of them have kept that promise.

Not a single example.

Everyone of them decided, at some point down the line, to start selling more powerful crap in the luckybags.

I know . I'm just reading all the posts of big crown store spenders even saying this is too far now and leaving . It's the STO and SWTOR forums all over again ... Soon no one cares to log in . Tumble weeds in every zone . It's bad timing too as a few big MMOs will be dropping into the market soon .

LadyNalcarya · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

dsalter wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

petraeus1 wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

dsalter wrote: »

kumatab14_ESO wrote: »

Calling it now. All future holiday costumes/mounts will be a Crown Crate exclusive. New items will be added to the Crown Store, but at a slower rate and the items will be of lower quality. Eventually everything will be pushed into a crate. That is the way all of these stupid gambling boxes go.

i'v seen this happen to, CS:GO is an example of a B2P with boxes. default game never gets new content but guess what does?

At least STO actually gets new content... every other year.

New Lockboxes roll out every three months though.

I mean ESO has this too - the Crown Store gets updates more frequently than the actual game. That's fine.

Real bad would be if they're moving upcoming stock from the shelf into the boxes. In DOTA 2 for example pretty much all new skins are gated behind RNG. That's not cool. But speculation, speculation.

Dota 2 is a free to play game though.
And in ESO we need to pay for the base game, for sub/dlcs, costume/mount prices in crown store are already quite hefty, so... It looks like a shameless money grab. Seems like they saw that those 4k crowns mounts sold well and were like: what if we make players pay 10+k instead of 4k?
Also there's one more important thing. ZOS is known for screwing up people with their rng, a good example would be vMA drop rate: there's many people who couldnt get a weapon they wanted even after 100s of runs. And I'm 100% sure it will be like this with any rng based mechanic they made...

change his DOTA2 into CS:GO and it holds true since CS = B2P

Though in both games rng box items are tradeable/sellable, so you can buy the item you want without gambling...
Yeah, I know about insane prices on some knives in CS and hooks in Dota XD But anyway.

starkerealm · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Rohamad_Ali wrote: »

starkerealm wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

If its only comsmatic like swtor am perfectly fine with it.

Pretty sure TOR chucked upgradable items into those that were significantly more powerful than anything you could get in game. Which, to be fair, they started by saying it would only be cosmetic stuff... and we're here now. $:\$

That and Swtor is dead now . GG .

Every MMO I've ever played that went to a luckybag system.... every single one. They started by saying, "it will only be cosmetic stuff," even Cryptic. Every. Single. One.

None of them have kept that promise.

Not a single example.

Everyone of them decided, at some point down the line, to start selling more powerful crap in the luckybags.

I know . I'm just reading all the posts of big crown store spenders even saying this is too far now and leaving . It's the STO and SWTOR forums all over again ... Soon no one cares to log in . Tumble weeds in every zone . It's bad timing too as a few big MMOs will be dropping into the market soon .

It's worse than that, ironically. STO actually had the lifers. These were players who would log in, regardless. And a lot of them still do. Hell I log in from time to time, derp around in a T6 Chimera, and log off. ESO (and TOR) do not have a lifetime subscriber base that's (effectively) locked into the game, no matter what, and have an incentive to drop by no matter how bad the fires get.

Contraptions · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Hmm. A 60 dollar game with boxes you buy with real money, that contain supposedly cosmetic only items with varying rarities, with in game currency rewarded for duplicates? Rare limited edition cosmetics that can't be found anywhere but these loot boxes? Where have I seen that before...

It seems that ZOS has seen the recent "success" of the gambling boxes in Overwatch, TF2 and CSGO and are now trying to go whale hunting. I personally think it's scummy and I hope ZOS doesn't ever add this. The fact that this is a full priced game that has an optional subscription and added microtransactions is enough. Such behavior is what I expect from free to play games, not full fledged buy to play ones. Hell, at least Overwatch lets you earn these boxes by playing. Here it's real money or bust.

Don't get me wrong, I hate these lootboxes in all forms. These boxes are digital gambling, plain and simple. Even if ZOS never ever adds ANYTHING that is pay to win (which is unlikely), I do not want RNG in my real money purchases ever. The very nature of the RNG (which can be rigged by ZOS) ensures that it is possible to blow hundreds of dollars and never get the item you want. This is pure stupidity.

Night_Wolf2112 · August 2016

Why Vote??? Your opinions do not matter! ZoS is GOING to add this. They don't care about, or listen to, our concerns! Now, it's just weather you buy or don't buy. And yes, this is gambling.

elvenmad · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Jaronking wrote: »

If its only comsmatic like swtor am perfectly fine with it.

Its only the beginning.... and they already clearly stated it will be cosmetics and consumables, which I can guarantee sooner or later will include Alloys and Wax's, after all they are only consumables.

It is pretty much what EVERY other game as done with RNG boxes and still been able to claim it is not pay to win, which is true you dont and can't pay for gear BUT you can pay to obtain 'consumables' to upgraded it.

KingYogi415 · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Here we have a rare photo of ZOS realizing they could get people to pays hundreds for a mount they want instead of 40$

LadyNalcarya · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

elvenmad wrote: »

Jaronking wrote: »

If its only comsmatic like swtor am perfectly fine with it.

Its only the beginning.... and they already clearly stated it will be cosmetics and consumables, which I can guarantee sooner or later will include Alloys and Wax's, after all they are only consumables.

It is pretty much what EVERY other game as done with RNG boxes and still been able to claim it is not pay to win, which is true you dont and can't pay for gear BUT you can pay to obtain 'consumables' to upgraded it.

I wont be surprised if in-game drop rates of those mats would mysteriously become much lower when they introduce those rng boxes...

kensan62_ESO · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I want the ability to buy something i like on the crown store. i do NOT want a chance at posiibly getting it. I played swtor that does chance bundles and u rarely get what u want. this would be enough to chase me away from this game as well. they need to at least offer the items for outright purchase at full price then offer them in a smaller priced chance bundle so i can have the choice. Dammit! i was really loving this game too. oh well.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

The biggest problem with this is, that I cannot believe them anymore - they say, it will be just cosmetic, but I just cannot believe them, they did not stick to what they said in the past, why would they do that in future?- Soon there can be mats in those boxes, ruining the prices, and why would they stop there?- I cannot trust into a future in ESO anymore, it is basically pointless to progress my characters - I will have a look at all those regions, which I have not seen yet and which are coming out in the next year - and that was Tamriel unlimited then to me - I did not expect it to mean "unlimited greed".

On the bright side of it - they came out with this, before I bought houses - so this saves at least this frustration to have wasted even more on this game. It could have been a great and outstanding game, but it will now be just another cash-grab MMO. Because this is what these boxes mean - the majority of those, who will buy these boxes will have to pay far more for any item they want, if they will get it at all, that is.

And if cash grab MMO, why would I want to play this one - there are so many features this game does not have, which others offer - if the cash grab is pretty much the same, why would I want to put up with this one, where I cannot even get decent hairstyles or cloth physics.

Reykice · August 2016

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Lysette wrote: »

I just came across this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcmPeXG7qQ&feature=youtu.be

Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.

Its not illegal, games usually bypass that law in every country as its not considered gambling. Games get away with most rules and are poorly regulated.

But then again its not mandatory, i never purchased crates in any game i played and most had them... unless its mandatory why care, just don`t buy it.

EDIT: As people above said, its predatory practice, they are hoping people don`t have control and end up paying much for on stuff by doing this as i`m sure the chance will be smaller. Its done in most games, disgusting but i guess people fall for it... then again if it pays for the game why not.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Reykice wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I just came across this
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UcmPeXG7qQ&feature=youtu.be

Matt Firor says towards the end, that there will be "super-special mounts" in those random boxes, EXCLUSIVE for those boxes. So this basically means, if you want those, you would have to gamble - I am pretty certain that this is illegal gambling in germany, if ZOS is not just making insignificant amounts of money with it.

Its not illegal, games usually bypass that law in every country as its not considered gambling. Games get away with most rules and are poorly regulated.

But then again its not mandatory, i never purchased crates in any game i played and most had them... unless its mandatory why care, just don`t buy it.

EDIT: As people above said, its predatory practice, they are hoping people don`t have control and end up paying much for on stuff by doing this as i`m sure the chance will be smaller. Its done in most games, disgusting but i guess people fall for it... then again if it pays for the game why not.

This will be something what will make me angry any time when I come across it - it will kill the fun and I cannot enjoy this game anymore. I cannot just "not care", I have a conscience and morale feelings - I cannot support that game anymore with more money and if I do not spend money in this game, I will miss out on things and this will make me even more angry - so there is nothing really what would keep me interested - other then seeing the world of Tamriel, all those zones, which I have no seen yet - but otherwise this game is dead for me - I see no future here and no ongoing fun to play it.

MacCait · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

timidobserver wrote: »

As long as they don't put limited subscriber items like the first senche mount and the mask of cheerful slaughter in them I am fine with it.

As I understood it, they will give a chance, albeit very rare, to win such limited items... which I disagree with as it causes a gambling mentality, where players who have problems with gambling end up spending £100's.

I know may players in dcuo who spent litterally £100's for Booster Bundle boxes. When they didn't get that special aura, they bought another box and repeated until they got one. A business model like this takes advantage of people with such problems in self-control. That is quite shameless.

If this goes ahead, ZOS has lost my respect

Benefactor · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I have no problem with this as long as they don't add any special items that can only be gotten from these boxes. The RNG in this game is bad enough as it is and with RNG involved with real money it would be even more horrible.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Benefactor wrote: »

I have no problem with this as long as they don't add any special items that can only be gotten from these boxes. The RNG in this game is bad enough as it is and with RNG involved with real money it would be even more horrible.

but that is what Matt Firor has announced already - "super special mounts" which will be RNG box EXCLUSIVE.

Esquire1980g_ESO · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Lysette wrote: »

The biggest problem with this is, that I cannot believe them anymore - they say, it will be just cosmetic, but I just cannot believe them, they did not stick to what they said in the past, why would they do that in future?- Soon there can be mats in those boxes, ruining the prices, and why would they stop there?- I cannot trust into a future in ESO anymore, it is basically pointless to progress my characters - I will have a look at all those regions, which I have not seen yet and which are coming out in the next year - and that was Tamriel unlimited then to me - I did not expect it to mean "unlimited greed".

On the bright side of it - they came out with this, before I bought houses - so this saves at least this frustration to have wasted even more on this game. It could have been a great and outstanding game, but it will now be just another cash-grab MMO. Because this is what these boxes mean - the majority of those, who will buy these boxes will have to pay far more for any item they want, if they will get it at all, that is.

And if cash grab MMO, why would I want to play this one - there are so many features this game does not have, which others offer - if the cash grab is pretty much the same, why would I want to put up with this one, where I cannot even get decent hairstyles or cloth physics.

Came to that conclusion about an hour ago, myself.

I know they lost 2 subs today. My wife's and my own. Left a message on our guild tht if anyone wants the guild, they can have it.

Lysette · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

The biggest problem with this is, that I cannot believe them anymore - they say, it will be just cosmetic, but I just cannot believe them, they did not stick to what they said in the past, why would they do that in future?- Soon there can be mats in those boxes, ruining the prices, and why would they stop there?- I cannot trust into a future in ESO anymore, it is basically pointless to progress my characters - I will have a look at all those regions, which I have not seen yet and which are coming out in the next year - and that was Tamriel unlimited then to me - I did not expect it to mean "unlimited greed".

On the bright side of it - they came out with this, before I bought houses - so this saves at least this frustration to have wasted even more on this game. It could have been a great and outstanding game, but it will now be just another cash-grab MMO. Because this is what these boxes mean - the majority of those, who will buy these boxes will have to pay far more for any item they want, if they will get it at all, that is.

And if cash grab MMO, why would I want to play this one - there are so many features this game does not have, which others offer - if the cash grab is pretty much the same, why would I want to put up with this one, where I cannot even get decent hairstyles or cloth physics.

Came to that conclusion about an hour ago, myself.

I know they lost 2 subs today. My wife's and my own. Left a message on our guild tht if anyone wants the guild, they can have it.

It's really sad, especially when i see that your forum nickname has the _ESO extension - so you are a loyal player since beta. Do you know, what I think will be such "exclusive" RNG box items eventually?- well done furniture for houses, the crappy one in the cash shop for normal, but those which can actually be used in such a box - it is purely cosmetic - this is how this will end up and it will just get worse from there.

Thevampirenight · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

>.< the lockbox system is as bad as a cluel

KingYogi415 wrote: »

Here we have a rare photo of ZOS realizing they could get people to pays hundreds for a mount they want instead of 40$

I bet they are wondering

kesenna · August 2016

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I hate this idea. I have played SWTOR and they use Cartel Coins for the same thing. I hate the idea of gambling to win something. So If I buy a crate and gamble with my money and win something I already have can I now go sell the item on guild store ?? There is no auction house in this game. I have spent well over $ 1,000 on LOTRO crowns for mounts and pets and costumes etc. I love them and dont mind paying for them but I refuse to gamble my money for them. I left SWOTOR because of that system and it sucks but I will totally leave this game for the same reason. I dont want to play a game that puts unattainable items out there to gamble on. I hate hate hate hate it !!! Please dont ruin this game .