Bouldercleave wrote: »Altercator wrote: »ZOS_PeterT wrote: »"Although we understand some are upset"
I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.
I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.
It's just bad business.
And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.
In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.
There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.
Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Altercator wrote: »ZOS_PeterT wrote: »"Although we understand some are upset"
I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.
I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.
It's just bad business.
And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.
In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.
There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.
Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I think it's ridiculous that people are getting upset over this. I would understand if it was pay to win items but cosmetics and mounts? Who gives a flying ****? If you don't want to buy one then don't. It's as simple as that.
The fact is that there will be plenty of people that will be all over this, and that will bring in revenue which will help cover expenses for new content and the fixes that the players need.
I will most likely never even consider buying one, but I couldn't possibly care any less what others do with their crowns.
The stuff you get is NOT the concern from me . It's the telling sign of business model change seen in all other games that go F2P and make everything worse ingame . That is the concern from me . If One Tamriel is launched and F2P is surprised announced same time , I won't be surprised .
^ This.
And anyone who thinks that things will stay purely cosmetic after they have introduced the boxes is not looking at the history of this.
ZOS has expanded what types of items are available in the Crown Store over time. I expect that trend to continue. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't an interim stage in a longer term plan, i.e.:
1) Crown Store Intro
2) Add more "convenience" items such as XP scrolls, horse lessons and skill lines.
3) Create artificial scarcity through the use of Limited Time offers.
4) Add a new delivery method (lootboxes) to offer a work-around for the self-imposed scarcity issue, as well as a few exclusive items to get people interested. (thus revitalising the current Crown Store offerings).
5) After the buzz from (4) has dropped a bit, add more item types, pushing the boundary towards P2W slowly.
6) Repeat (5) every time the frenzy dies down.
It is an abhorrent model, but sadly one that is likely to result in considerable income for ZOS.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Altercator wrote: »ZOS_PeterT wrote: »"Although we understand some are upset"
I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.
I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.
It's just bad business.
And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.
In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.
There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.
Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It'll automatically be added if you don't already own it.@ZOS_GinaBruno What if I get something I really DON'T like but I don't have it in my collection? Would I have the possibility to exchange it for gems, or it added to your collection automatically?There will be a separate section in the Crown Store where you can spend your Crown Gems, which will contain a special selection of items - it won't include every item from the Crown Store. Items will also be rotated occasionally so it won't be the same things all the time.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -
First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.
In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.
Does this mean there will be a separate store for merchandise ONLY available in the Crown Crates with Crown Gems as the currency instead of regular ole Crown's? For example, if I get enough duplicates where I have around 3k Crown Gems, do I open up a separate store with nothing but the items in the Crown Crates, find the Ultra Rare Mount I've been trying to get but haven't gotten, and buy it right there with all the Crown Gems I've assembled from selling back my duplicates?
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I think it's ridiculous that people are getting upset over this. I would understand if it was pay to win items but cosmetics and mounts? Who gives a flying ****? If you don't want to buy one then don't. It's as simple as that.
The fact is that there will be plenty of people that will be all over this, and that will bring in revenue which will help cover expenses for new content and the fixes that the players need.
I will most likely never even consider buying one, but I couldn't possibly care any less what others do with their crowns.
The stuff you get is NOT the concern from me . It's the telling sign of business model change seen in all other games that go F2P and make everything worse ingame . That is the concern from me . If One Tamriel is launched and F2P is surprised announced same time , I won't be surprised .
^ This.
And anyone who thinks that things will stay purely cosmetic after they have introduced the boxes is not looking at the history of this.
ZOS has expanded what types of items are available in the Crown Store over time. I expect that trend to continue. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't an interim stage in a longer term plan, i.e.:
1) Crown Store Intro
2) Add more "convenience" items such as XP scrolls, horse lessons and skill lines.
3) Create artificial scarcity through the use of Limited Time offers.
4) Add a new delivery method (lootboxes) to offer a work-around for the self-imposed scarcity issue, as well as a few exclusive items to get people interested. (thus revitalising the current Crown Store offerings).
5) After the buzz from (4) has dropped a bit, add more item types, pushing the boundary towards P2W slowly.
6) Repeat (5) every time the frenzy dies down.
It is an abhorrent model, but sadly one that is likely to result in considerable income for ZOS.
You've got to be kidding me with this conspiracy theory ****. They emphatically stated that these boxes will NOT have pay to win items. Your conspiracy theories are ridiculous and this thread is ridiculous- filled with assumptions and paranoia.
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I think it's ridiculous that people are getting upset over this. I would understand if it was pay to win items but cosmetics and mounts? Who gives a flying ****? If you don't want to buy one then don't. It's as simple as that.
The fact is that there will be plenty of people that will be all over this, and that will bring in revenue which will help cover expenses for new content and the fixes that the players need.
I will most likely never even consider buying one, but I couldn't possibly care any less what others do with their crowns.
The stuff you get is NOT the concern from me . It's the telling sign of business model change seen in all other games that go F2P and make everything worse ingame . That is the concern from me . If One Tamriel is launched and F2P is surprised announced same time , I won't be surprised .
^ This.
And anyone who thinks that things will stay purely cosmetic after they have introduced the boxes is not looking at the history of this.
ZOS has expanded what types of items are available in the Crown Store over time. I expect that trend to continue. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't an interim stage in a longer term plan, i.e.:
1) Crown Store Intro
2) Add more "convenience" items such as XP scrolls, horse lessons and skill lines.
3) Create artificial scarcity through the use of Limited Time offers.
4) Add a new delivery method (lootboxes) to offer a work-around for the self-imposed scarcity issue, as well as a few exclusive items to get people interested. (thus revitalising the current Crown Store offerings).
5) After the buzz from (4) has dropped a bit, add more item types, pushing the boundary towards P2W slowly.
6) Repeat (5) every time the frenzy dies down.
It is an abhorrent model, but sadly one that is likely to result in considerable income for ZOS.
You've got to be kidding me with this conspiracy theory ****. They emphatically stated that these boxes will NOT have pay to win items. Your conspiracy theories are ridiculous and this thread is ridiculous- filled with assumptions and paranoia.
Just wait until you see Tempering Alloys and wax in the box loot table and a mysterious reduction in drop rates in game, because it may take some time but this will come, seen this in EVERY game with RNG boxes.
Rohamad_Ali wrote: »I think it's ridiculous that people are getting upset over this. I would understand if it was pay to win items but cosmetics and mounts? Who gives a flying ****? If you don't want to buy one then don't. It's as simple as that.
The fact is that there will be plenty of people that will be all over this, and that will bring in revenue which will help cover expenses for new content and the fixes that the players need.
I will most likely never even consider buying one, but I couldn't possibly care any less what others do with their crowns.
The stuff you get is NOT the concern from me . It's the telling sign of business model change seen in all other games that go F2P and make everything worse ingame . That is the concern from me . If One Tamriel is launched and F2P is surprised announced same time , I won't be surprised .
^ This.
And anyone who thinks that things will stay purely cosmetic after they have introduced the boxes is not looking at the history of this.
ZOS has expanded what types of items are available in the Crown Store over time. I expect that trend to continue. I wouldn't be surprised if this isn't an interim stage in a longer term plan, i.e.:
1) Crown Store Intro
2) Add more "convenience" items such as XP scrolls, horse lessons and skill lines.
3) Create artificial scarcity through the use of Limited Time offers.
4) Add a new delivery method (lootboxes) to offer a work-around for the self-imposed scarcity issue, as well as a few exclusive items to get people interested. (thus revitalising the current Crown Store offerings).
5) After the buzz from (4) has dropped a bit, add more item types, pushing the boundary towards P2W slowly.
6) Repeat (5) every time the frenzy dies down.
It is an abhorrent model, but sadly one that is likely to result in considerable income for ZOS.
You've got to be kidding me with this conspiracy theory ****. They emphatically stated that these boxes will NOT have pay to win items. Your conspiracy theories are ridiculous and this thread is ridiculous- filled with assumptions and paranoia.
ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »It'll automatically be added if you don't already own it.@ZOS_GinaBruno What if I get something I really DON'T like but I don't have it in my collection? Would I have the possibility to exchange it for gems, or it added to your collection automatically?There will be a separate section in the Crown Store where you can spend your Crown Gems, which will contain a special selection of items - it won't include every item from the Crown Store. Items will also be rotated occasionally so it won't be the same things all the time.ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »Thanks for your thoughts on the upcoming Crown Crates, everyone. Just want to clarify a few points -
First, Crown Crates will be available later this year, and will only include cosmetic or convenience items. You'll find things like potions and other consumables, pets, costumes, and - yes - sometimes even mounts. This will give you a chance to try and obtain previous limited time offers, or even some very unique items as Matt mentioned. It will not include things like armor or weapons.
In the event you get an item that you already own, you can exchange it for a currency called Crown Gems which will allow you to buy a different item of your choice.
Does this mean there will be a separate store for merchandise ONLY available in the Crown Crates with Crown Gems as the currency instead of regular ole Crown's? For example, if I get enough duplicates where I have around 3k Crown Gems, do I open up a separate store with nothing but the items in the Crown Crates, find the Ultra Rare Mount I've been trying to get but haven't gotten, and buy it right there with all the Crown Gems I've assembled from selling back my duplicates?
So let me get this right @ZOS_GinaBruno ,certain new limited items will only be available in the gem store, but my only way of getting gems is by gambling on a lottery box in the hopes I get an item I already own so I can cash it in for gems. So given the rng of this game i could end buying 10,000 crowns worth (as I own very few crown store items) of lottery boxs to earn enough gems to purchase one of the new exclusive items which is ONLY available for gems. This is a whole new lvl of greed
Bouldercleave wrote: »Altercator wrote: »And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.
In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.
There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.
Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.
My advanced business degree (MBA) and doctorate (is that enough to be able to proffer an opinion on this?) agrees with his/her analysis. Just because something drives money, it doesn't mean it is the right way to do things. This is about short term profit grab and nothing else - look at the average life span of free to play games - it is a make as much money as you can before the next shiny free game comes along, approach - where is angry birds now, don't hear much of candy crush anymore, do we?
The real returns in business come from understanding customer lifetime value. People know fee paying MMOs such as FFXIV has far fewer players than this game, but they understand that pay offering a quality product and keeping customers happy they will collect $10 a month from gamers, for many years, potentially leading to $500-$1000+ per gamer, easily. It is a far different, and a much classier approach (in my opinion) than a quick money grab trying to get $50 off a customer before they realise they are chucking money away.
It also has the added benefits that many of the gamers will buy the next FF MMO, and probably many offline FF games. I wonder how many people who leave the game over this issue will go near a Zenimax game again? I know I won't.
Altercator wrote: »It's just bad business.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Altercator wrote: »ZOS_PeterT wrote: »"Although we understand some are upset"
I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.
I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.
It's just bad business.
And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.
In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.
There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.
Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.
Once upon a time, there has been a company in the far north, where ice and active volcanoes form the top of the world. They started out long long ago when the internet was still young and created a universe, out of their passion and love for creating a fabulous, exciting and unforgiving game. These same people have been managing and developing this universe until this day with the same passion if not more and guess what, they are still healthy, without to be greedy or charge for everything extra. Their motto is "EVE forever" and they were never nearer to it than now - you do not have to prey on players to be successful.
Altercator wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Altercator wrote: »ZOS_PeterT wrote: »"Although we understand some are upset"
I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.
I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.
It's just bad business.
And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.
In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.
There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.
Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.
That's a bleak defense.
zulikab14_ESO wrote: »Crap! Just when I was getting back into the game.
Now I feel bad about buying that long term sub as I do not want to support this any longer.
Reading some post on reddit from 2013/2014 about topics like cash shop and such - all I can say is, this does not look like ZOS would be honest with their customer base about what is planned for the future - they were not honest then and I think they are not honest now - a german saying is "wer einmal lügt, dem glaubt man nicht, selbst wenn er gleich die Wahrheit spricht" - "One does not believe someone, who lied once, even if he will immediately tell the truth afterwards" - and this here is even worse, they do not even tell the truth afterwards - so by german standards, they are not trustworthy anymore.
Calling these "gambling boxes" is like calling marijuana a "hard drug".
Bouldercleave wrote: »Bouldercleave wrote: »Altercator wrote: »ZOS_PeterT wrote: »"Although we understand some are upset"
I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.
I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.
It's just bad business.
And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.
In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.
There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.
Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.
Once upon a time, there has been a company in the far north, where ice and active volcanoes form the top of the world. They started out long long ago when the internet was still young and created a universe, out of their passion and love for creating a fabulous, exciting and unforgiving game. These same people have been managing and developing this universe until this day with the same passion if not more and guess what, they are still healthy, without to be greedy or charge for everything extra. Their motto is "EVE forever" and they were never nearer to it than now - you do not have to prey on players to be successful.
ONE company does not an industry make.
I'm sorry that we don't live in a world based off of hopes and dreams, but we live in one where money is king. Until we change as a whole - that is the way it is going to be.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Altercator wrote: »And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.
In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.
There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.
Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.
My advanced business degree (MBA) and doctorate (is that enough to be able to proffer an opinion on this?) agrees with his/her analysis. Just because something drives money, it doesn't mean it is the right way to do things. This is about short term profit grab and nothing else - look at the average life span of free to play games - it is a make as much money as you can before the next shiny free game comes along, approach - where is angry birds now, don't hear much of candy crush anymore, do we?
The real returns in business come from understanding customer lifetime value. People know fee paying MMOs such as FFXIV has far fewer players than this game, but they understand that pay offering a quality product and keeping customers happy they will collect $10 a month from gamers, for many years, potentially leading to $500-$1000+ per gamer, easily. It is a far different, and a much classier approach (in my opinion) than a quick money grab trying to get $50 off a customer before they realise they are chucking money away.
It also has the added benefits that many of the gamers will buy the next FF MMO, and probably many offline FF games. I wonder how many people who leave the game over this issue will go near a Zenimax game again? I know I won't.
Ideology is a wonderful thing - unfortunately that is not the way of the current state of the industry. Your advanced degree is impressive and should make you more informed on the reality of the world. There is no guarantee that gamers will by the next FF MMO or any of the offline offering, and there are countless companies that banked on that and are no longer in business.
Reality VS ideology can be a real *** sometimes, but reality is what puts food on the table.
Bouldercleave wrote: »Reality VS ideology can be a real *** sometimes, but reality is what puts food on the table.