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  • Stiltz
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Reality VS ideology can be a real *** sometimes, but reality is what puts food on the table.

    And unmitigated greed can flat out kill games.

    Oh yes, unmitigated greed. I'm sure the evil Zen employees are all rubbing their hands together in anticipation of robbing all of us blind through the implementation of these demonic "gambling boxes".
    Edited by Stiltz on August 20, 2016 6:10PM
  • Altercator
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Altercator wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Altercator wrote: »
    Zeddakis wrote: »
    ZOS_PeterT wrote: »
    "Although we understand some are upset"

    I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.

    I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.

    It's just bad business.

    And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.

    In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.

    There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.

    Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.

    That's a bleak defense.

    It's not a defense at all. It is a REALITY. You don't have to like it, and you don't have to accept it. But if you can't SEE it, I can't help you.

    You made an argument defending ZOS' business model and you're right, it wasn't much of a defense in the first place. Don't kid yourself thinking you have some magical grasp of "REALITY" that the rest of us can't see.
  • Roechacca
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Altercator wrote: »
    Zeddakis wrote: »
    Roechacca wrote: »
    It's just bad business.

    Most people who just worry about money are bad business people.

    To be clear. I'm the one that said, "It's just bad business." Your quote should not be attributed to Roechacca.

    No worries about the misquote, it's basicly how a lot of feel about the system.

    On a personal note, I've watched the changes in a lot of games in my day. Someone else here mentioned it. We've seen this turn ugly and generate greed that does not flow back into the games content. If I thought this was going to support the games expansion I wouldn't care. It never ends up going towards content. More time gets put into bigger lottery prices then new zones and fixes. I can only say that because I've watched it happen with about 8 games before. I've been playing since Wow and SWG launched around the same time. The birth of big MMOs.

    Take a quick peek at any of those games today and all you will see is something rotting, rotten or a virtual corpse completely dead. Maybe undead because some Dev gave away the source code to some people for a emulator.

    The question is, if you started seeing something you like going down a path towards death or poor health, would you support it anyways?

    A few others are mentioning this looks like the same road to complete F2P. Well... You people are very perceptive and good on you for learning from the past. How many people thought free to play would be awesome just to find out the game tanked a year later? You guys know what's up.

    Final point, Zennimax told Us this would stay out of Our game. Stop lying so much, it's irritating.
    Edited by Roechacca on August 20, 2016 6:14PM
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    From the Wiki:

    According to a report published by the Bank of Korea on May 14, 2008, investigating 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. Of these, 3,146 are located in Japan, 837 in Germany, 222 in the Netherlands and 196 in France.

    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.
    Edited by Lysette on August 20, 2016 6:14PM
  • starkerealm
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Stiltz wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Reality VS ideology can be a real *** sometimes, but reality is what puts food on the table.

    And unmitigated greed can flat out kill games.

    Oh yes, unmitigated greed. I'm sure the evil Zen employees are all rubbing their hands together in anticipation of robbing all of us blind through the implementation of these demonic "gambling boxes".

    No, but if you think they'll stop here, and never put non-cosmetics in there... then I've got to say, you haven't been here long.

    Used to be the hard line was no cash shop. Never.

    Then, okay, we can have a cash shop, but no grab bags, nothing more powerful than what you can get in game. (Amusingly the original crown tripots WERE better than what you could get in game, so... oops?)

    Now, oh, look, gamble boxes.

    You think this stops here? Really? You believe that?

    They've already flat out lied about where they're going with the game's business model.
  • Ra'Shtar
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    If they do this they should drop the box price as it will be F2P and they should make all DLCs free too, in my opinion a B2P game should not have RNG anything on the cash shop.
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  • starkerealm
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    From the Wiki:

    According to a report published by the Bank of Korea on May 14, 2008, investigating 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. Of these, 3,146 are located in Japan, 837 in Germany, 222 in the Netherlands and 196 in France.

    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.

    Also, the slightly relevant factor that the United States has only existed for the last 240 years.
  • Altercator
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    From the Wiki:

    According to a report published by the Bank of Korea on May 14, 2008, investigating 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. Of these, 3,146 are located in Japan, 837 in Germany, 222 in the Netherlands and 196 in France.

    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.

    Don't go off topic.
    Edited by Altercator on August 20, 2016 6:18PM
  • Troneon
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
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  • Bouldercleave
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    Lysette wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Altercator wrote: »
    Zeddakis wrote: »
    ZOS_PeterT wrote: »
    "Although we understand some are upset"

    I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.

    I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.

    It's just bad business.

    And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.

    In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.

    There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.

    Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.

    Once upon a time, there has been a company in the far north, where ice and active volcanoes form the top of the world. They started out long long ago when the internet was still young and created a universe, out of their passion and love for creating a fabulous, exciting and unforgiving game. These same people have been managing and developing this universe until this day with the same passion if not more and guess what, they are still healthy, without to be greedy or charge for everything extra. Their motto is "EVE forever" and they were never nearer to it than now - you do not have to prey on players to be successful.

    ONE company does not an industry make.

    I'm sorry that we don't live in a world based off of hopes and dreams, but we live in one where money is king. Until we change as a whole - that is the way it is going to be.

    No, no, you might be living in this world, buy I am european, we are not having such a crappy morale like the USA - there is something like honor and honesty, which is appreciated by european customers - but what we do not like is to be lied at - you might be used to that, we are not and we are not accepting this as state-of-the-art - keep that in your country were it belongs.

    Really? I have one word for you Volkswagen. You guys are not squeaky clean either.
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    From the Wiki:

    According to a report published by the Bank of Korea on May 14, 2008, investigating 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. Of these, 3,146 are located in Japan, 837 in Germany, 222 in the Netherlands and 196 in France.

    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.

    Also, the slightly relevant factor that the United States has only existed for the last 240 years.

    Nevertheless there are a lot of people and they could have a couple of those companies, if they would not try to rip off people and would pay and treat their employees fairly - and not hire and fire them ever so easily - it is the mentality and the lack of morale values, which hinders this. See Japan - this nation gives a whole lot on honor, they have lifelong staff and they treat them fairly - and so Japan has the majority of such companies by it - followed by Germany - does not make me wonder why.
    Edited by Lysette on August 20, 2016 6:26PM
  • Runs
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    As far as I am concerned this marks my departure from purchasing crowns for limited time only items. Perhaps they should have been advertised as "limited time for now, but available in the future via gambling" instead and I would have just stayed away from buying them to begin with.

    My sub will also be canceled. I am not going to quit the game over the addition of it however. I will still play using my current crown balance to buy DLC's up till, in my opinion, the game does go pay to win.

    The money I have seen friends spend on these type of gimmicks in the past is insane. I watched one friend blow over ten thousand American dollars(not game currency), I stopped counting, in about 15 minutes. She still didn't get what she was looking for. Low self esteem, gambling addiction, and lots of money to spend freely. She was their trifecta. I probably hit the first two, but not the lots of money.

    Yes, I understand there are normal people who do not have those problems that may be buying a box here or there too. But just because it isn't taking advantage of you, doesn't mean it isn't taking advantage of others.

    It may be silly, or an effect of low self esteem... But limited time items make me feel just a little special when they are no longer available. And perhaps that's why they are able to generate the sales they do. This not only takes that specialness away from some of us, it increases the cost greatly to achieve it again.

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  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Altercator wrote: »
    Zeddakis wrote: »
    ZOS_PeterT wrote: »
    "Although we understand some are upset"

    I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.

    I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.

    It's just bad business.

    And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.

    In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.

    There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.

    Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.

    Once upon a time, there has been a company in the far north, where ice and active volcanoes form the top of the world. They started out long long ago when the internet was still young and created a universe, out of their passion and love for creating a fabulous, exciting and unforgiving game. These same people have been managing and developing this universe until this day with the same passion if not more and guess what, they are still healthy, without to be greedy or charge for everything extra. Their motto is "EVE forever" and they were never nearer to it than now - you do not have to prey on players to be successful.

    ONE company does not an industry make.

    I'm sorry that we don't live in a world based off of hopes and dreams, but we live in one where money is king. Until we change as a whole - that is the way it is going to be.

    No, no, you might be living in this world, buy I am european, we are not having such a crappy morale like the USA - there is something like honor and honesty, which is appreciated by european customers - but what we do not like is to be lied at - you might be used to that, we are not and we are not accepting this as state-of-the-art - keep that in your country were it belongs.

    Really? I have one word for you Volkswagen. You guys are not squeaky clean either.

    yes, that was a huge shock for us Germans - we would never have expected that at all - simply because it is so not-german.
  • starkerealm
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    From the Wiki:

    According to a report published by the Bank of Korea on May 14, 2008, investigating 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. Of these, 3,146 are located in Japan, 837 in Germany, 222 in the Netherlands and 196 in France.

    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.

    Also, the slightly relevant factor that the United States has only existed for the last 240 years.

    Nevertheless there are a lot of people and they could have a couple of those companies, if they would not try to rip off people and would pay and treat their employees fairly - and not hire and fire them ever so easily - it is the mentality and the lack of morale values, which hinders this. See Japan - this nation gives a whole lot on honor, they have lifelong staff and they treat them fairly - and so Japan has the majority of such companies by it - followed by Germany - does not make me wonder why.

    Because the United States has existed as a sovereign nation for less than two and a half centuries. It would be like asking, "why doesn't Germany have more seven hundred year old companies?" Clearly, something's wrong here.

    Also, with Japan, their modern corporate structure is an evolution of older social systems, so it's not surprising that they have so many.
  • ScardyFox
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    Lysette wrote: »
    From the Wiki:
    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.

    It's been a long time since I have seen something this jaw-dropping ignorant...

    Anyway, to be succinct (since I am still stunned ^that^), its a horrible idea. Instead of coming up with all these fast-grabs at cash, its about time to polish out the myriad of bugs, balance issues, etc after two years. Chances are, you're going to get more subscribers if you have a polished and honed game for people to gravitate towards.
  • newtinmpls
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Cazzy wrote: »

    Still, exclusive items in bags of crap :tongue: I want to know what I'm getting and having my ability to choose what I buy is going to be taken away :disappointed:

    I imagine it will be quite the money-generator for entitled kidlets who can get money for crowns from their parents.

    I will not be participating.
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  • Bouldercleave
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    Lysette wrote: »
    From the Wiki:

    According to a report published by the Bank of Korea on May 14, 2008, investigating 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. Of these, 3,146 are located in Japan, 837 in Germany, 222 in the Netherlands and 196 in France.

    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.

    Or the fact that the U.S. is only 240 years old...

    Germany 878 years
    Japan 831 years
    Netherlands 583 years

    And the culture dates far longer than those figures. Give us some time Germany and Japan especially have some sordid history.
    Edited by Bouldercleave on August 20, 2016 6:34PM
  • Eirikir
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    Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics
    Hey if this thing gets me the Blacksmith costume I've been crying for, and I get some goodies in the process, why not. I mean it's traditional that you pay for entertainment so I'll gamble. Fun times.
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  • starkerealm
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Altercator wrote: »
    Zeddakis wrote: »
    ZOS_PeterT wrote: »
    "Although we understand some are upset"

    I ran this through my cracker jack decoder ring and here is what came out....We know some of you don't like this, but the people who handle the money here don't care.

    I'm sure most of the devs and team don't like this direction as it gives the game they have worked so hard on a negative perception, but the money people who have no worked the long hours or invested their lives in the game don't care what they think either.

    It's just bad business.

    And this is based on your advanced business degree? I'm sorry but the world that we live in doesn't work the way you people seem to want it to.

    In this gaming industry, it is actually GOOD business. They know that this game dies when the next shiny trinket comes down the road (and it WILL come down the road). They need to capitalize on as much revenue as possible as fast as possible.

    There is a 20 page list of all the MMOs that have come before, and there is a 20 page list of MMOs that are in the works. They know that you aren't going to be loyal, and this game will eventually fade away like all the others because they ALL do.

    Quit being so naive and think that ANY of these gaming companies have your best interests at heart. They are here to take as much of your money as they can, for as long as you will allow it. Just like any other business.

    Once upon a time, there has been a company in the far north, where ice and active volcanoes form the top of the world. They started out long long ago when the internet was still young and created a universe, out of their passion and love for creating a fabulous, exciting and unforgiving game. These same people have been managing and developing this universe until this day with the same passion if not more and guess what, they are still healthy, without to be greedy or charge for everything extra. Their motto is "EVE forever" and they were never nearer to it than now - you do not have to prey on players to be successful.

    ONE company does not an industry make.

    I'm sorry that we don't live in a world based off of hopes and dreams, but we live in one where money is king. Until we change as a whole - that is the way it is going to be.

    No, no, you might be living in this world, buy I am european, we are not having such a crappy morale like the USA - there is something like honor and honesty, which is appreciated by european customers - but what we do not like is to be lied at - you might be used to that, we are not and we are not accepting this as state-of-the-art - keep that in your country were it belongs.

    Really? I have one word for you Volkswagen. You guys are not squeaky clean either.

    yes, that was a huge shock for us Germans - we would never have expected that at all - simply because it is so not-german.

    Then, and I say this with utmost respect to you as an individual, you have not been paying attention to the German auto industry.
    Edited by starkerealm on August 20, 2016 6:37PM
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    From the Wiki:

    According to a report published by the Bank of Korea on May 14, 2008, investigating 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. Of these, 3,146 are located in Japan, 837 in Germany, 222 in the Netherlands and 196 in France.

    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.

    Also, the slightly relevant factor that the United States has only existed for the last 240 years.

    Nevertheless there are a lot of people and they could have a couple of those companies, if they would not try to rip off people and would pay and treat their employees fairly - and not hire and fire them ever so easily - it is the mentality and the lack of morale values, which hinders this. See Japan - this nation gives a whole lot on honor, they have lifelong staff and they treat them fairly - and so Japan has the majority of such companies by it - followed by Germany - does not make me wonder why.

    Because the United States has existed as a sovereign nation for less than two and a half centuries. It would be like asking, "why doesn't Germany have more seven hundred year old companies?" Clearly, something's wrong here.

    Also, with Japan, their modern corporate structure is an evolution of older social systems, so it's not surprising that they have so many.

    If you count breweries, where beer was brewed by monks, we would have those as well - their beer is commercially offered so they could be considered as such - then don't forget the Hanseatic League, which is not far from being 700 years old.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

    We have even 3 city states which are own states due to that they were former Hanseatic League cities and have special privileges by that still to this day.
    Edited by Lysette on August 20, 2016 6:39PM
  • Rohamad_Ali
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    This is not a countries problem this is a game company problem ! Game companies in all countries that do this are bad . Stop arguing over meaningless things like the dirt you stand on within planet Earth . Corruption and bad habits know no man made boarders . All countries have had history of doing wrong . Pointless in this matter . This is about game companies and making bad decisions for all friends who play around the world .
  • petraeus1
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    No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble
    Way to derail the thread. Guess the discussion was kinda petering out anyway.
  • starkerealm
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Lysette wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    starkerealm wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    From the Wiki:

    According to a report published by the Bank of Korea on May 14, 2008, investigating 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. Of these, 3,146 are located in Japan, 837 in Germany, 222 in the Netherlands and 196 in France.

    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.

    Also, the slightly relevant factor that the United States has only existed for the last 240 years.

    Nevertheless there are a lot of people and they could have a couple of those companies, if they would not try to rip off people and would pay and treat their employees fairly - and not hire and fire them ever so easily - it is the mentality and the lack of morale values, which hinders this. See Japan - this nation gives a whole lot on honor, they have lifelong staff and they treat them fairly - and so Japan has the majority of such companies by it - followed by Germany - does not make me wonder why.

    Because the United States has existed as a sovereign nation for less than two and a half centuries. It would be like asking, "why doesn't Germany have more seven hundred year old companies?" Clearly, something's wrong here.

    Also, with Japan, their modern corporate structure is an evolution of older social systems, so it's not surprising that they have so many.

    If you count breweries, where beer was brewed by monks, we would have those as well - their beer is commercially offered so they could be considered as such - then don't forget the Hanseatic League, which is not far from being 700 years old.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hanseatic_League

    But, if you start including religious and semi-religious organizations, the United States does suddenly start popping up on bicentennial lists. Though as @Bouldercleave helpfully reminded me, I should have set the cutoff at 800.
  • starkerealm
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Anyway, @Lysette do you want ZOS to have grounds to shut down, and lock this thread? Ensuring that our comments on the subject are lost? Then let's get off this Vaterland uber alles guff, and get back on topic.
  • kumatab14_ESO
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Calling it now. All future holiday costumes/mounts will be a Crown Crate exclusive. New items will be added to the Crown Store, but at a slower rate and the items will be of lower quality. Eventually everything will be pushed into a crate. That is the way all of these stupid gambling boxes go.
    Edited by kumatab14_ESO on August 20, 2016 6:45PM
  • dsalter
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    kumatab14_ESO wrote: »
    Calling it now. All future holiday costumes/mounts will be a Crown Crate exclusive. New items will be added to the Crown Store, but at a slower rate and the items will be of lower quality. Eventually everything will be pushed into a crate. That is the way all of these stupid gambling boxes go.

    i'v seen this happen to, CS:GO is an example of a B2P with boxes. default game never gets new content but guess what does? ;)
    PLEASE REPLY TO ME WITH @dsalter otherwise i'm likely to miss the reply if its not my own thread

    EU - [Arch Mage Dave] Altmer Sorcerer
    Fight back at the crates and boxes, together we can change things.

  • BlackguardBob
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    I'm saying "no" but they'll go ahead and do it anyway.

    ESO is becoming Crown Store heavy. The character selection screen on login now contains no less than two Crown Store opportunities every time you go there, so everybody now sees Crown Store advertising every time they login or change their character (alt).
  • Lysette
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    Bouldercleave wrote: »
    Lysette wrote: »
    From the Wiki:

    According to a report published by the Bank of Korea on May 14, 2008, investigating 41 countries, there were 5,586 companies older than 200 years. Of these, 3,146 are located in Japan, 837 in Germany, 222 in the Netherlands and 196 in France.

    Now guess why the USA is not in this list - pretty simple, those countries which are in this list, are based on honor and honesty as their base moral values, and not on money and greed.

    Or the fact that the U.S. is only 240 years old...

    Germany 878 years
    Japan 831 years
    Netherlands 583 years

    And the culture dates far longer than those figures. Give us some time Germany and Japan especially have some sordid history.

    yes, it depends what you see as "Germany" - it would be by far older if you consider already the "holy roman Reich of german nations" as such - but in fact it was until quite recently a bunch of tiny to small countries which had a common Kaiser, the last one of those until the 20th century even. But take Rothschild for example - they originated in Frankfurt, Germany in the 17th century and became the wealthiest private banker family in the 19th century and they are still around - they are not one company, but many, but their family business is successful since about 350 years.
  • Garldeen
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    dsalter wrote: »
    kumatab14_ESO wrote: »
    Calling it now. All future holiday costumes/mounts will be a Crown Crate exclusive. New items will be added to the Crown Store, but at a slower rate and the items will be of lower quality. Eventually everything will be pushed into a crate. That is the way all of these stupid gambling boxes go.

    i'v seen this happen to, CS:GO is an example of a B2P with boxes. default game never gets new content but guess what does? ;)

    No new map content in the new update by the looks of it - just tweaked current content - so we are already half way there. That will be two dlc with no new landmass
  • starkerealm
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    No, don't ever add these into the game.
    dsalter wrote: »
    kumatab14_ESO wrote: »
    Calling it now. All future holiday costumes/mounts will be a Crown Crate exclusive. New items will be added to the Crown Store, but at a slower rate and the items will be of lower quality. Eventually everything will be pushed into a crate. That is the way all of these stupid gambling boxes go.

    i'v seen this happen to, CS:GO is an example of a B2P with boxes. default game never gets new content but guess what does? ;)

    At least STO actually gets new content... every other year. :(

    New Lockboxes roll out every three months though.
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