What do you think of Crown Store Random boxes/Lottery box?

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

babedenny wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

This one she wonders if Schrödinger's khajitt may be found in one of these boxes?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

best not to open it.

It is OK to open Schrödinger's Khajiit boxes. Sometimes there will be a Khajiit in it, sometimes there will not be. Not sure if an empty Schrödinger's Khajiit box is worth 400 Crowns.

What you want to run way from is the Pandora's Khajiit boxes. You can never get the Khajiit back into the box, no matter how much you might want to. People usually want to. They are definitely not worth 400 Crowns.

Abeille wrote: »

And RNG boxes, the one mechanic that MMO players really hate, the one that drove so many MMOs before this one to the ground, are the only option? Despite the existence of the Crown Store and the premium membership?

Do you think the existing methods are not enough, then? If they are not enough, why is that the case? Has ESO been unable to give a steady profit/pay the bills for the last two years? Do you think that, without the Crown Crates, ESO can't survive?

A lot of people know that Crown Crates are a big huge turd, even done as ZOS is doing them today. It is interesting how ZOS is polishing this thing and showing us only the shiny side. It is only cosmetic. It allows them to return limited time things without making current owners mad. Dissenters suffer from baseless fears. These statements only show that they aren't very good at polishing this turd. (Me, I plan to ignore the turd, which is why I can vote YES to what they are currently doing)

They know what they are doing, and on some level, we all know that they know what they are doing. They have already anticipated the backlash, and may have even imagined it worse than it is. The real reason they are doing it is hidden in the part that they are not polishing for us. Whether that is because they are desperate for revenue, just looking to boost revenue now against predicted losses in the future, or are looking to expand and need more ESO revenue to fund that expansion, is unclear. The one thing that is clear is that Crown Crates are coming, no matter what the player base thinks of them.

The only down side to this will be if the Crown Crates do not fulfill whatever goal they have for them. If players do not buy them enough, it will be bad. ZOS will be left with no recourse but to make people buy them, or come up with some other way to monetize ESO that meets whatever goal they had with the Crown Crates. (Of course, eventually they might want even more revenue and do this anyway, even if Crown Crates are a success. It may not be possible to buy enough to meet their future needs.)

No matter how many people buy the Crown Crates, you can be assured that the first thing that ZOS utters about Crown Crate sales, if they say anything, will include the word "successful" in the most glorious sense of the word. That "success" will not stop them from taking the next step if they fail to meet expectations.

MornaBaine wrote: »

True enough but as others have pointed out, they started off with a HUGE TES fanbase at their fingertips and could have so ridden that to glory. They very well COULD have been another WoW in that they had the backing of something that was already wildly popular to parlay into a true winner of an MMO. But they have never seemed to understand that.

It is not that they failed to understand it. I think it is simply a matter that they failed to execute.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

well, no. they said they had no plans to put them in. in that is the tacit 'at this time'.

ZOS uses this a lot. We are coming to understand that "no plans" means "we are thinking about it". If it turns out that some popular demographic likes the idea, so does ZOS. They are nomads trying to find a home.

Abeille

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

@lordrichter I agree with everything you said. Great post.

anitajoneb17_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

@lordrichter : Great post. But I disagree with the part where you tend to say that the boxes MUST be successful otherwise things will look really ugly. If the boxes don't provide the expected cash, they'll find something else, probably something better. It's not the last card in their hands.

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@lordrichter : Great post. But I disagree with the part where you tend to say that the boxes MUST be successful otherwise things will look really ugly. If the boxes don't provide the expected cash, they'll find something else, probably something better. It's not the last card in their hands.

You are right, but I never said otherwise. The intent of the statement is that, if the boxes were not meeting expectations, they will move onto the next idea, whether that includes Crown Crates depends on what the next idea is. Personally, I think that expanding on Crown Crates is the first 'bad' we can expect to see. After that, they will move to other ways to systematically and methodically trash the game in an effort to monetize it. Some may argue that they started this already.

I also said that it may be impossible for these Crates, as they intend to release them, to meet expectations.

FearlessOne_2014

No, don't ever add these into the game.

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@lordrichter : Great post. But I disagree with the part where you tend to say that the boxes MUST be successful otherwise things will look really ugly. If the boxes don't provide the expected cash, they'll find something else, probably something better. It's not the last card in their hands.

No it's not at all. You have armor sets and weapons sets. Then you have monster sets, maelstrom weapons, and other things. That ZOS can make money off of if push comes the shove. The crown boxes are here.Just to test the waters. For ZOS to see what is, not alright in the community's minds. Also as what I've stated above. Pretty much the crown boxes is ZOSes, financial solve all answer.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@lordrichter : Great post. But I disagree with the part where you tend to say that the boxes MUST be successful otherwise things will look really ugly. If the boxes don't provide the expected cash, they'll find something else, probably something better. It's not the last card in their hands.

Pretty much the crown boxes is ZOSes, financial solve all answer.

You have absolutely nothing to back up that statement. Absolutely nothing.

FearlessOne_2014

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Bouldercleave wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@lordrichter : Great post. But I disagree with the part where you tend to say that the boxes MUST be successful otherwise things will look really ugly. If the boxes don't provide the expected cash, they'll find something else, probably something better. It's not the last card in their hands.

Pretty much the crown boxes is ZOSes, financial solve all answer.

You have absolutely nothing to back up that statement. Absolutely nothing.

You are right. I have nothing more then, common sense and MMO experience to back up my statement. I'm really not going to spell it out for you. It's a pretty simple concept pass down from MMO to MMO to MMO. RNG boxes are there to provide profits. And at it's last ditch of effort can and will turn into a RNG Box P2W system. Where gear and armor set and stuff comes from the boxes. Or my favorite "Legendary Up-Grade Mats" that one seems to be the common one.

Yes people will claim up and down if or not it pay to win or not. But to put simply let's take Rift, DCUO, Neverwinter, and BnS. Players like me can choose to drop $500 to 700 plus USD to get to end game instantly. Or players like myself can gear thru painful same 5 dungeons for 4 to 6 months thousands of times. Trying to get the same item/s.

Those MMOs started their RNG boxes all innocent and stuff purely cosmetics. Then as time went on after the RNG Boxes was out. They slowly started to Ninja Nerf drop rates on essential mats, and items to progress or be competitive in PvP. Then Boom! It hits you like a Mac Truck. That in order to progress farther. You either have two options actually three.

Option A.) Spend massive amounts of IRL $$$ till you get the item/s and mats, you need to progress farther in those games.
Option B.) Spend around 3 to 6 months or more if you have a life to achieving the same goal.
Option C.) Do a little of both, Option's A and B to met your goal.

Now I'm not saying that ZOS "WILL" have to do that. All I'm saying is that the RNG Box model. Opens the door for ZOS to solve any and almost all of it's future financial issues should they appear.Nearly effortlessly at that.

This is not one of my Doomsday Tin Foil hat posts. This is just what I perceive may happen in the future. From my experience playing many many many MMOs that took this same route to survive.

Bouldercleave

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@lordrichter : Great post. But I disagree with the part where you tend to say that the boxes MUST be successful otherwise things will look really ugly. If the boxes don't provide the expected cash, they'll find something else, probably something better. It's not the last card in their hands.

Pretty much the crown boxes is ZOSes, financial solve all answer.

You have absolutely nothing to back up that statement. Absolutely nothing.

You are right. I have nothing more then, common sense and MMO experience to back up my statement. I'm really not going to spell it out for you. It's a pretty simple concept pass down from MMO to MMO to MMO. RNG boxes are there to provide profits. And at it's last ditch of effort can and will turn into a RNG Box P2W system. Where gear and armor set and stuff comes from the boxes. Or my favorite "Legendary Up-Grade Mats" that one seems to be the common one.

Yes people will claim up and down if or not it pay to win or not. But to put simply let's take Rift, DCUO, Neverwinter, and BnS. Players like me can choose to drop $500 to 700 plus USD to get to end game instantly. Or players like myself can gear thru painful same 5 dungeons for 4 to 6 months thousands of times. Trying to get the same item/s.

Those MMOs started their RNG boxes all innocent and stuff purely cosmetics. Then as time went on after the RNG Boxes was out. They slowly started to Ninja Nerf drop rates on essential mats, and items to progress or be competitive in PvP. Then Boom! It hits you like a Mac Truck. That in order to progress farther. You either have two options actually three.

Option A.) Spend massive amounts of IRL $$$ till you get the item/s and mats, you need to progress farther in those games.
Option B.) Spend around 3 to 6 months or more if you have a life to achieving the same goal.
Option C.) Do a little of both, Option's A and B to met your goal.

Now I'm not saying that ZOS "WILL" have to do that. All I'm saying is that the RNG Box model. Opens the door for ZOS to solve any and almost all of it's future financial issues should they appear.Nearly effortlessly at that.

This is not one of my Doomsday Tin Foil hat posts. This is just what I perceive may happen in the future. From my experience playing many many many MMOs that took this same route to survive.

And you are probably right. That is how MMOs progress. Did you REALLY expect this one to be different than any of the others?

It's a common business model - right or wrong. It's proven to work in the short term and that is ALL an MMO is destined for in this day and age - short term profits before the next game comes out. The long running, long term MMo is the EXCEPTION, not the rule. The investors know this, the developers know this, the designers know this, and anyone with common sense (as YOU like to claim you have) SHOULD know this.

If you think this game was EVER meant to be an endlessly playable PvE meets PvP world that you could live in forever, the only one that your are fooling is yourself. 3-4 years is an eternity in the life cycle of an MMO and we are well within the natural life cycle that this game is going to provide.

Personally I like the game enough to ride the wave until the final goodbyes - crown crates or not.

JKorr

No, don't ever add these into the game.

I enjoy the game as well. That's why I'm still here. I'd prefer to ride the wave with the two senches I missed, however.

I get the concept of the rngesus boxes. See, if ZOS brought back the two mounts I missed, and want, I would buy them. Even if they raised the original price. That is where I would stop. I have the two things I wanted. ZOS would get the cost of those two items and that would be all. With the rngesus boxes, if I would ever consider buying them to try to get the two mounts I want, they would make a LOT more money.

I don't buy the "consumables"; my provisioner can do better. I don't like the majority of the costumes, so I don't buy those either. I won't buy the rngesus boxes because I know the chances of my getting the two things I want is effectively zero. I would end up with all the costumes and items I DON'T want before I'd start getting gems for dups. I'm not going to play that.

Ironically enough they finally came up with some outfits in the store that I would buy. I don't know if I want to, really, at this point. :shrug:

SantieClaws

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Khajiit she will link this article just for the purpose of the possible relevance to the debate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37385555

It is seems that gambling outside of a game for in game items is frowned upon while as long as the gambling is contained within the game then it is still permitted yes?

This it makes little sense to khajiit. Either something is gambling for the same sort of items or it is not.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

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SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she will link this article just for the purpose of the possible relevance to the debate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37385555

It is seems that gambling outside of a game for in game items is frowned upon while as long as the gambling is contained within the game then it is still permitted yes?

This it makes little sense to khajiit. Either something is gambling for the same sort of items or it is not.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I think the bigger issue was "inviting children to gamble"

Esquire1980g_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she will link this article just for the purpose of the possible relevance to the debate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37385555

It is seems that gambling outside of a game for in game items is frowned upon while as long as the gambling is contained within the game then it is still permitted yes?

This it makes little sense to khajiit. Either something is gambling for the same sort of items or it is not.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

From the article;

"The Gambling Commission, which brought the prosecution, has been looking into the rise of video game gambling.

It is warning parents that children can be drawn into betting on so-called skins - virtual goods such as weapons or clothes that are a feature of many popular games."

It is not surprising to me that Gov't attys are catching up to their own statutes. What is surprising to me, is why it took so long as the statutes exist. I believe your going to see test cases come in the US as well that get a bit more in depth.

And the inviting minors to gamble, there are no limitations for children in on-line games such as "no minors on the casino floor" (which those statues already exist as well), with casino security there to implement. Having a voluntary "M" rating is probably not enforcement nor compliance.

Good to see this being done. Thanks Santie Claws for the update.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she will link this article just for the purpose of the possible relevance to the debate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37385555

It is seems that gambling outside of a game for in game items is frowned upon while as long as the gambling is contained within the game then it is still permitted yes?

This it makes little sense to khajiit. Either something is gambling for the same sort of items or it is not.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

From the article;

"The Gambling Commission, which brought the prosecution, has been looking into the rise of video game gambling.

It is warning parents that children can be drawn into betting on so-called skins - virtual goods such as weapons or clothes that are a feature of many popular games."

It is not surprising to me that Gov't attys are catching up to their own statutes. What is surprising to me, is why it took so long as the statutes exist. I believe your going to see test cases come in the US as well that get a bit more in depth.

And the inviting minors to gamble, there are no limitations for children in on-line games such as "no minors on the casino floor" (which those statues already exist as well), with casino security there to implement. Having a voluntary "M" rating is probably not enforcement nor compliance.

Good to see this being done. Thanks Santie Claws for the update.

Also the M rating is 16 or 17 and above which, at least in my state, gambling is 18 and up. Good read, very interesting.

Esquire1980g_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

nimander99 wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she will link this article just for the purpose of the possible relevance to the debate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37385555

It is seems that gambling outside of a game for in game items is frowned upon while as long as the gambling is contained within the game then it is still permitted yes?

This it makes little sense to khajiit. Either something is gambling for the same sort of items or it is not.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

From the article;

"The Gambling Commission, which brought the prosecution, has been looking into the rise of video game gambling.

It is warning parents that children can be drawn into betting on so-called skins - virtual goods such as weapons or clothes that are a feature of many popular games."

It is not surprising to me that Gov't attys are catching up to their own statutes. What is surprising to me, is why it took so long as the statutes exist. I believe your going to see test cases come in the US as well that get a bit more in depth.

And the inviting minors to gamble, there are no limitations for children in on-line games such as "no minors on the casino floor" (which those statues already exist as well), with casino security there to implement. Having a voluntary "M" rating is probably not enforcement nor compliance.

Good to see this being done. Thanks Santie Claws for the update.

Also the M rating is 16 or 17 and above which, at least in my state, gambling is 18 and up. Good read, very interesting.

While I end up making arguments against regulation and regulatory agencies almost once a week, it seems, this industry seems to be inviting both. And Gov'ts will respond, takes time, but when it happens it's usually very "heavy-handed". The F2P MMORPG industry has brought this upon themselves. We could see MMORPGs come under State and Federal gambling commissions.

Another problem I see, and have seen for quite a while is game store "sales", v the legal definition(s) of a sale, of virtual items with a EULA that says you are only paying for access to same. I can easily think of about 30 ways to argue that's unconscionable.

This will be interesting to watch it all come to fruition.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

nimander99 wrote: »

Esquire1980g_ESO wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she will link this article just for the purpose of the possible relevance to the debate.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-37385555

It is seems that gambling outside of a game for in game items is frowned upon while as long as the gambling is contained within the game then it is still permitted yes?

This it makes little sense to khajiit. Either something is gambling for the same sort of items or it is not.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

From the article;

"The Gambling Commission, which brought the prosecution, has been looking into the rise of video game gambling.

It is warning parents that children can be drawn into betting on so-called skins - virtual goods such as weapons or clothes that are a feature of many popular games."

It is not surprising to me that Gov't attys are catching up to their own statutes. What is surprising to me, is why it took so long as the statutes exist. I believe your going to see test cases come in the US as well that get a bit more in depth.

And the inviting minors to gamble, there are no limitations for children in on-line games such as "no minors on the casino floor" (which those statues already exist as well), with casino security there to implement. Having a voluntary "M" rating is probably not enforcement nor compliance.

Good to see this being done. Thanks Santie Claws for the update.

Also the M rating is 16 or 17 and above which, at least in my state, gambling is 18 and up. Good read, very interesting.

While I end up making arguments against regulation and regulatory agencies almost once a week, it seems, this industry seems to be inviting both. And Gov'ts will respond, takes time, but when it happens it's usually very "heavy-handed". The F2P MMORPG industry has brought this upon themselves. We could see MMORPGs come under State and Federal gambling commissions.

Another problem I see, and have seen for quite a while is game store "sales", v the legal definition(s) of a sale, of virtual items with a EULA that says you are only paying for access to same. I can easily think of about 30 ways to argue that's unconscionable.

This will be interesting to watch it all come to fruition.

Yep. We are talking about the largest entertainment industry on planet America... Legislators are bound to figure out they can put themselves between the games and the people and get theirs. Its bound to happen.

Kuningatar

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Personally in response to this and other repeated behaviours from Zenimax, I have cancelled my subscription. I will not support such treatment of the player base and I certainly will not support 'gamble boxes'

In the future if something worthy of my attention were released, I might return, but right now? It looks pretty grim. I have cancelled by subscription once before shortly after the game switch to B2P due to the fact that Zenimax repeatedly lied claiming they would never come off the subscription model, so this is just a repeat of their usual lies and crap.

That and I opened a ticket asking for help with something, in spite of being perfectly reasonable and not at all abusive or profane, my ticket were set to 'solved' repeatedly without being given any answer to it. Even when I told them point blank "You can not just set a ticket to solved and assume its solved, I want a human response." - never got one until I cancelled my subscription and filed a new ticket explaining exactly why I cancelled. That to be honest were the last straw that I could tolerate.

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

verenkutoja wrote: »

Personally in response to this and other repeated behaviours from Zenimax, I have cancelled my subscription. I will not support such treatment of the player base and I certainly will not support 'gamble boxes'

In the future if something worthy of my attention were released, I might return, but right now? It looks pretty grim. I have cancelled by subscription once before shortly after the game switch to B2P due to the fact that Zenimax repeatedly lied claiming they would never come off the subscription model, so this is just a repeat of their usual lies and crap.

That and I opened a ticket asking for help with something, in spite of being perfectly reasonable and not at all abusive or profane, my ticket were set to 'solved' repeatedly without being given any answer to it. Even when I told them point blank "You can not just set a ticket to solved and assume its solved, I want a human response." - never got one until I cancelled my subscription and filed a new ticket explaining exactly why I cancelled. That to be honest were the last straw that I could tolerate.

For me, I will continue to support the game until the gambling boxes appear. As of now, they aren't in game so nothing has changed yet therefore I shall continue to support what I think is a fair and non intrusive cash shop.

When and if the gambling boxes come I will rethink my support. Most likely I will only ever outright buy the DLC's as they are released and that's it.

Tandor

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Bouldercleave wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

Bouldercleave wrote: »

FearlessOne_2014 wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@lordrichter : Great post. But I disagree with the part where you tend to say that the boxes MUST be successful otherwise things will look really ugly. If the boxes don't provide the expected cash, they'll find something else, probably something better. It's not the last card in their hands.

Pretty much the crown boxes is ZOSes, financial solve all answer.

You have absolutely nothing to back up that statement. Absolutely nothing.

You are right. I have nothing more then, common sense and MMO experience to back up my statement. I'm really not going to spell it out for you. It's a pretty simple concept pass down from MMO to MMO to MMO. RNG boxes are there to provide profits. And at it's last ditch of effort can and will turn into a RNG Box P2W system. Where gear and armor set and stuff comes from the boxes. Or my favorite "Legendary Up-Grade Mats" that one seems to be the common one.

Yes people will claim up and down if or not it pay to win or not. But to put simply let's take Rift, DCUO, Neverwinter, and BnS. Players like me can choose to drop $500 to 700 plus USD to get to end game instantly. Or players like myself can gear thru painful same 5 dungeons for 4 to 6 months thousands of times. Trying to get the same item/s.

Those MMOs started their RNG boxes all innocent and stuff purely cosmetics. Then as time went on after the RNG Boxes was out. They slowly started to Ninja Nerf drop rates on essential mats, and items to progress or be competitive in PvP. Then Boom! It hits you like a Mac Truck. That in order to progress farther. You either have two options actually three.

Option A.) Spend massive amounts of IRL $$$ till you get the item/s and mats, you need to progress farther in those games.
Option B.) Spend around 3 to 6 months or more if you have a life to achieving the same goal.
Option C.) Do a little of both, Option's A and B to met your goal.

Now I'm not saying that ZOS "WILL" have to do that. All I'm saying is that the RNG Box model. Opens the door for ZOS to solve any and almost all of it's future financial issues should they appear.Nearly effortlessly at that.

This is not one of my Doomsday Tin Foil hat posts. This is just what I perceive may happen in the future. From my experience playing many many many MMOs that took this same route to survive.

And you are probably right. That is how MMOs progress. Did you REALLY expect this one to be different than any of the others?

It's a common business model - right or wrong. It's proven to work in the short term and that is ALL an MMO is destined for in this day and age - short term profits before the next game comes out. The long running, long term MMo is the EXCEPTION, not the rule. The investors know this, the developers know this, the designers know this, and anyone with common sense (as YOU like to claim you have) SHOULD know this.

If you think this game was EVER meant to be an endlessly playable PvE meets PvP world that you could live in forever, the only one that your are fooling is yourself. 3-4 years is an eternity in the life cycle of an MMO and we are well within the natural life cycle that this game is going to provide.

Personally I like the game enough to ride the wave until the final goodbyes - crown crates or not.

Really? The MMORPG genre started for real in 1998/99, and most of the mainstream games launched since then are still going. Quite apart from ESO, I'm still playing on and off six other mainstream MMORPGs that have a combined life of about 49 years and all are still doing just fine. The mainstream MMORPG games that have reached the end of their life in that time are very much in the minority, and none of them had the sales across multiple platforms that this game is stated to have had. Most had a poor launch and went straight into decline. While ESO arguably had a chequered launch, there's a general consensus that it has gone from strength to strength since then and while there are those who think it has always been a decent game even its harshest critics tend to agree that it is now a far better game than it was at launch.

I see no evidence that the introduction of crown crates is a last throw of the dice for a game that is approaching the end of its natural life cycle, nor any evidence that the game is going P2W, just an increasingly desperate attack on the principle of crown crates from those who want those things to be true so they can rant some more and say they were right all along. Meanwhile ESO seems to carry on quite happily and doubtless there will be another lift in player numbers when One Tamriel launches. I have no doubt that crown crates are being introduced because they're seen as a good business move that meets a demand for discontinued limited-time items to be re-introduced, not because they're essential to the game's very survival. I fully understand why some are opposed to them, but the sensible and balanced arguments against them were exhausted by the time this topic was halfway through.

j3crow

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

babedenny wrote: »

SantieClaws wrote: »

This one she wonders if Schrödinger's khajitt may be found in one of these boxes?

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

best not to open it.

It is OK to open Schrödinger's Khajiit boxes. Sometimes there will be a Khajiit in it, sometimes there will not be. Not sure if an empty Schrödinger's Khajiit box is worth 400 Crowns.

What you want to run way from is the Pandora's Khajiit boxes. You can never get the Khajiit back into the box, no matter how much you might want to. People usually want to. They are definitely not worth 400 Crowns.

Abeille wrote: »

And RNG boxes, the one mechanic that MMO players really hate, the one that drove so many MMOs before this one to the ground, are the only option? Despite the existence of the Crown Store and the premium membership?

Do you think the existing methods are not enough, then? If they are not enough, why is that the case? Has ESO been unable to give a steady profit/pay the bills for the last two years? Do you think that, without the Crown Crates, ESO can't survive?

A lot of people know that Crown Crates are a big huge turd, even done as ZOS is doing them today. It is interesting how ZOS is polishing this thing and showing us only the shiny side. It is only cosmetic. It allows them to return limited time things without making current owners mad. Dissenters suffer from baseless fears. These statements only show that they aren't very good at polishing this turd. (Me, I plan to ignore the turd, which is why I can vote YES to what they are currently doing)

They know what they are doing, and on some level, we all know that they know what they are doing. They have already anticipated the backlash, and may have even imagined it worse than it is. The real reason they are doing it is hidden in the part that they are not polishing for us. Whether that is because they are desperate for revenue, just looking to boost revenue now against predicted losses in the future, or are looking to expand and need more ESO revenue to fund that expansion, is unclear. The one thing that is clear is that Crown Crates are coming, no matter what the player base thinks of them.

The only down side to this will be if the Crown Crates do not fulfill whatever goal they have for them. If players do not buy them enough, it will be bad. ZOS will be left with no recourse but to make people buy them, or come up with some other way to monetize ESO that meets whatever goal they had with the Crown Crates. (Of course, eventually they might want even more revenue and do this anyway, even if Crown Crates are a success. It may not be possible to buy enough to meet their future needs.)

No matter how many people buy the Crown Crates, you can be assured that the first thing that ZOS utters about Crown Crate sales, if they say anything, will include the word "successful" in the most glorious sense of the word. That "success" will not stop them from taking the next step if they fail to meet expectations.

MornaBaine wrote: »

True enough but as others have pointed out, they started off with a HUGE TES fanbase at their fingertips and could have so ridden that to glory. They very well COULD have been another WoW in that they had the backing of something that was already wildly popular to parlay into a true winner of an MMO. But they have never seemed to understand that.

It is not that they failed to understand it. I think it is simply a matter that they failed to execute.

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

well, no. they said they had no plans to put them in. in that is the tacit 'at this time'.

ZOS uses this a lot. We are coming to understand that "no plans" means "we are thinking about it". If it turns out that some popular demographic likes the idea, so does ZOS. They are nomads trying to find a home.

This. So much this on all counts

nimander99

No, don't ever add these into the game.

"We have no plans to make the game pay to win, we also have no plans to add flying dragon mounts. So to answer your questions with an emphatic NO! No things will change due to our plans at this point in time."

They make Queen Hillary look like a chumpzor when it comes to political answers.

Legal Jargon: The word plans is not meant to be interpreted as a definitive answer. Our legal department has informed us that due to the many interpretations of various words in the English language we have room to define said words in any way we deem necessary as time goes on.

GhostwalkerLD

No, don't ever add these into the game.

No, they aren't in the main game yet, and we don't know when, exactly, they will be here.. but when that day comes... *sigh*

Mx13

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

verenkutoja wrote: »

In the future if something worthy of my attention were released, I might return, but right now? It looks pretty grim. I have cancelled by subscription once before shortly after the game switch to B2P due to the fact that Zenimax repeatedly lied claiming they would never come off the subscription model, so this is just a repeat of their usual lies and crap.

[Citation Needed]

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Mx13 wrote: »

verenkutoja wrote: »

In the future if something worthy of my attention were released, I might return, but right now? It looks pretty grim. I have cancelled by subscription once before shortly after the game switch to B2P due to the fact that Zenimax repeatedly lied claiming they would never come off the subscription model, so this is just a repeat of their usual lies and crap.

[Citation Needed]

Does not exist. They said that it was the best model for what they wanted to do with the game, but they never said never.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

Pretty much Mmo companies have loopholes they have used not to get regulated. Otherwise the gambling boxes would be made illegail. Its possibly why cryptic has the lockboxes in the game and the keys you buy from the zen store. This is one legal loophole they have because you can get the keys in teh game as well. By buying from other players. Or farming up to make the zen for the keys. Pretty much I imagine if Zenimax does get in trouble for the crown crates they would be forced to do more of a lockbox system. But I imagine at some point they might go hard on the lockbox system governments and they will force the mmo companies to give it up.

Thevampirenight

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

@lordrichter : Great post. But I disagree with the part where you tend to say that the boxes MUST be successful otherwise things will look really ugly. If the boxes don't provide the expected cash, they'll find something else, probably something better. It's not the last card in their hands.

You are right, but I never said otherwise. The intent of the statement is that, if the boxes were not meeting expectations, they will move onto the next idea, whether that includes Crown Crates depends on what the next idea is. Personally, I think that expanding on Crown Crates is the first 'bad' we can expect to see. After that, they will move to other ways to systematically and methodically trash the game in an effort to monetize it. Some may argue that they started this already.

I also said that it may be impossible for these Crates, as they intend to release them, to meet expectations.

I think the main reason for them adding these are to get more buying crowns. There will be those folks that will buy crowns just for these boxes alone because they want all the cosmetics and those the folks they are appealing too with this. And it is possible they are short on the money and the game is not doing as well right now forcing them to do this. On the other hand I don't think this game will go free to play. Pretty much these boxes will give crowngems for the outfits that are given to you that you do own. I imagine that it will not be as bad as the lockbox system in other games. But still it will be a gamble. The mounts will be the ones that will be the rarest and more expensive. Now if you win a mount that was limited you own then you would get a jackpot of gems, to buy whatever you want. I still don't like that they are doing this I really don't. But we will see. We won't see the crown crates until sometime in November. I am hopeing they release them to be tested on the crownstore of pts next pts patch.

Restlnpeace

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

only cosmetics cheaps one

dont need p2w rng boxes like Blade and Soul i stop play that game after they did same mistake.When All MMO 's p2w because of gold and acount sellers dont need much more options for Lazy people (i call lazy because you dont have to be lifelessone for being good in a mmo game . LOL that " i have a life conversation" its a huge lie)

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Pretty much Mmo companies have loopholes they have used not to get regulated. Otherwise the gambling boxes would be made illegail. Its possibly why cryptic has the lockboxes in the game and the keys you buy from the zen store. This is one legal loophole they have because you can get the keys in teh game as well. By buying from other players. Or farming up to make the zen for the keys. Pretty much I imagine if Zenimax does get in trouble for the crown crates they would be forced to do more of a lockbox system. But I imagine at some point they might go hard on the lockbox system governments and they will force the mmo companies to give it up.

ZOS is not going to get in trouble. Crown Crates are boxes of consumable items, sometimes with a prize inside. If they are smart, they will make sure the tool tip is clear on this.

clayandaudrey_ESO

No, don't ever add these into the game.

lordrichter wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Pretty much Mmo companies have loopholes they have used not to get regulated. Otherwise the gambling boxes would be made illegail. Its possibly why cryptic has the lockboxes in the game and the keys you buy from the zen store. This is one legal loophole they have because you can get the keys in teh game as well. By buying from other players. Or farming up to make the zen for the keys. Pretty much I imagine if Zenimax does get in trouble for the crown crates they would be forced to do more of a lockbox system. But I imagine at some point they might go hard on the lockbox system governments and they will force the mmo companies to give it up.

ZOS is not going to get in trouble. Crown Crates are boxes of consumable items, sometimes with a prize inside. If they are smart, they will make sure the tool tip is clear on this.

So they are the Cracker Jacks of ESO?

Elsonso

Yes I like the random boxes idea so Long as they only have cosmetics

clayandaudrey_ESO wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

Thevampirenight wrote: »

Pretty much Mmo companies have loopholes they have used not to get regulated. Otherwise the gambling boxes would be made illegail. Its possibly why cryptic has the lockboxes in the game and the keys you buy from the zen store. This is one legal loophole they have because you can get the keys in teh game as well. By buying from other players. Or farming up to make the zen for the keys. Pretty much I imagine if Zenimax does get in trouble for the crown crates they would be forced to do more of a lockbox system. But I imagine at some point they might go hard on the lockbox system governments and they will force the mmo companies to give it up.

ZOS is not going to get in trouble. Crown Crates are boxes of consumable items, sometimes with a prize inside. If they are smart, they will make sure the tool tip is clear on this.

So they are the Cracker Jacks of ESO?

With Cracker Jacks, you get a prize in every box. (At least until Frito Lay replaces the prize with a card that promises a prize) For now, I think of them like the gumball machines that occasionally hand out a prize. Most of the time, you get a gumball.

Slurg

No I dislike the random crown store boxes, to much of a gamble

Now that these things are on PTS for testing, does anyone want to try opening some and tell us if seeing what's inside changes their opinion, positive or negative?