Icereach PC NA (Mulaamnir/Kyne/BWB NA PC - Final)

Zakazh

Adenoma wrote: »

@W0lf_z13 you won't be able to heal anyway because igneous shield is worthless now. If I'm light attack weaving I'll nuke that shield with just the light attack. Bye bye major mending.

On the plus side, I have a great idea of what I'll be playing from now on.

Please do tell. My BWB Templar is almost 50, and it's time for a new BWB newb. I would like to do the PvE content some day (Thieve's Guild and Brotherhood especially) as well, so I'm thinking Nightblade for the proper level of immersion. Zakazh is being re-spec'd as all-crafter (any good crafting guides out there?).


- Zakazh Sa'Ayide - Templar healer - PUGz of Daggerfall, Brother pirate to:
- Balian Sa'Ayide - Nightblade
- Strange Purr - Nightblade kitty cat

TipsyDrow

Stridig wrote: »

I follow you Tipsy but have you started a thread saying you are quitting because of the PTS patch notes? Thats what I'm giggling about.

No cause that's just silly. How am I supposed to complain about the game while in game if I quit?

Stridig

Whoop!!! My case showed up today. Time to start my new build.

ColoursYouHave

While I'm not exactly a huge fan of all the resource management changes, I'm actually pretty optimistic and, dare I say, excited to play with the changes. Sure, it might be difficult at first to adapt to these changes, but personally I've gotten somewhat bored with the game lately, and things have been feeling quite stale. I think these changes will not only force people to change the way they build characters by building for more sustain, but will also force people to change the way they actually play those characters. When the dust settles, I could see combat feeling quite a bit different than what we're all used to. Whether that is for better or for worse, I don't know, but for me, the change is welcomed. As always, people will adapt to whatever changes they make, and sometimes shaking things up like this can go a long way towards keeping the game feeling fresh and exciting.

Adenoma

@Zakazh , in due time. I gotta find out more first.

TipsyDrow

Sooo if class resource mamagement skills seem to be capping below 30k in some cases 19k I'm thinking pellenials builds with the appropriate resources with defense and offense being drawn from each pool accordingly and stacking weapon damage might be the way to go for some crazy unique builds for morrowind.

Adenoma

Pelinals is already incredibly viable. It's how I'm getting 10k non-crits for heals and howls on my werewolf.

TipsyDrow

Adenoma wrote: »

Pelinals is already incredibly viable. It's how I'm getting 10k non-crits for heals and howls on my werewolf.

yes but I think it could be even more viable......I think. I gotta science the *** out of this.

Adenoma

I don't think it'll be more viable. The thing is you still want a max stat to scale off of. Stacking weapon/spell damage isn't enough. You lose so much sustain doing that.

Adenoma

Plus, constitution enabled hybrids big time. That's gone now.

TipsyDrow

Adenoma wrote: »

I don't think it'll be more viable. The thing is you still want a max stat to scale off of. Stacking weapon/spell damage isn't enough. You lose so much sustain doing that.

nono, think about it. The class skill passives are basically capped at 29k on average lets just say. Now you can easily and I mean easily get 27k in each of mag and stam, making the most of class passives. Now, you're using both resource pools for both defense and offense on some builds with this setup. best race would be dark elf of course.....hmm. Something to ponder. bet i can come up with a few builds. we'll see after a few weeks of pts changes what happens.

TipsyDrow

Adenoma wrote: »

Plus, constitution enabled hybrids big time. That's gone now.

Think black rose, it has jewlery and weapons now+ stam and mag....

Adenoma

Good luck farming telvar for that. Plus, that doesn't even get constitution back to its current base value.

Stridig

Was trying to share a picture with all of you on the new build progress but I'm a moron and can't figure it out. Maybe because I'm on my phone. Anyway I'll keep trying.
Got it.

TipsyDrow

Adenoma wrote: »

Good luck farming telvar for that. Plus, that doesn't even get constitution back to its current base value.

You're being a debbie downer, glass half empty, every silver lining has dark gray storm clouds kinda guy. I'm gonna pull it off, watch meh!! Obviously not for bwb though. Also farming telvar is fairly easy when you have a nightblade.

vamp_emily

@Adenoma

Did u every figure out how to get that scroll out of Warden?

ColoursYouHave

TipsyDrow wrote: »

Sooo if class resource mamagement skills seem to be capping below 30k in some cases 19k I'm thinking pellenials builds with the appropriate resources with defense and offense being drawn from each pool accordingly and stacking weapon damage might be the way to go for some crazy unique builds for morrowind.

I hadn't thought about that, but its a really interesting idea. My guess is that damage is going to be down as people build for more sustain anyways, so you may not actually lose that much from max-stat scaling. Plus, if you can optimize your sustain between both magicka and stamina, you may actually be able to put a little more focus into weapon damage while still keeping your sustain on-par with non-hybrid builds who focus less into weapon or spell damage.

Azurulia

The PTS notes aren't that bad.

To be honest, a lot of the changes were needed. You might not want to admit it, but you guys know it, too.

Things won't be as roll face as before is pretty much the biggest change. God forbid you actually have to carefully consider your actions.

TipsyDrow

Azurulia wrote: »

The PTS notes aren't that bad.

To be honest, a lot of the changes were needed. You might not want to admit it, but you guys know it, too.

Things won't be as roll face as before is pretty much the biggest change. God forbid you actually have to carefully consider your actions.

Oh I agree whole heartedly with the nerfs to the CP system. As in pve the game was a complete faceroll and no challenge at all even in vet dugoens. But I also know from testing that when combined with the armor nerfs and all armor types were hit, the class passives for sustain and group skills for sustain all being nerfed fairly hard it all combines for some fairly miserable gameplay. They forgot the game still needs to be fun. I hope they remember that during this patch cycle.

Adenoma

@vamp_emily , no. I played solo for about an hour, put up some shelves, cooked dinner, and called it an early night.

Adenoma

@Azurulia , I think you must not play DK much. As a DK lover they've gutted most of the things we depend on - battle roar, block, and heavy armor. I don't think that's overreaction. That's based on testing.

Stridig

LF 9 trait crafter. Have gold.

Azurulia

Adenoma wrote: »

@Azurulia , I think you must not play DK much. As a DK lover they've gutted most of the things we depend on - battle roar, block, and heavy armor. I don't think that's overreaction. That's based on testing.

I actually have 3 DK's. (Though ones more of a crafter than anything.)

Which is all the more reason I am aware of how powerful the class is. I wouldn't say that we depend on them so much as we've used them as a crutch. being able to use OS then Dragons blood to heal for over 50% of or health instantly on a critical was beyond annoying to kill in pvp.

When I emp'd on my DK tank, I was extremely difficult to kill. taking 10+ people simply because of my OS+Dragon's blood healing me for 30-50k. on my Vet StamDK I use similar methods to heal very rapidly with repeated use.

It's no secret DK's self healing is overpowered. Using OS followed by the usual dragonblood will still work, however it will have to be timed better. (Like after a dodgeroll or breaking LoS) As for Battle Roar, I think that will only really effect builds with very low point ult's that charge and use repeatedly.

At the end of the day the nerfs will result in smarter play overall from changes in how ability mechanics work and resource management.

Adenoma

I would not use 10+ people having to kill a tank emp a good measure of what healing is or is not overpowered. When I was emp on a light armor DK it would take similar numbers. When I was emp on a heavy armor DPS magDK I solo farmed PUGz (not anything to diminish what they do, I was lucky and nobody negated me) on top of a resource. That was pre-dragonsblood buff and only using inhale.

For stamDK vigor is overpowered at its current cost, but the fundamental idea that their healing is overpowered is grossly wrong. Even more so, every class has their own inherent strengths and self-heals and sustain via battleroar are two of the DKs.

First they took our wings, then our heals, and now we have a battle squeak.

Stridig

This thread has been pretty quiet again. Are we not all friends any more? What are you all up to?

DCeiver0

All work and no play ESO makes Deceiver a sad boy.

Raknosh

Am I the only one who keeps crashing or freezing for 15+ sec these day??

Lumsdenml

TipsyDrow wrote: »

gabriebe wrote: »

Honestly, feels like I should take a calculus class again just to follow up with the builds by myself. No wonder people just adopt metas so hard.

This is all you need to know about the upcoming Morrowind expansion. No maths included.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6yZxFVvCiXU

This guy was in drama class in HS, right?

Stridig

I would like to test these changes for myself. Most people make it sound like the game will be unplayable. I doubt that is the case. I'm at least interested to test it out and draw my own conclusions.

Lumsdenml

Stridig wrote: »

This thread has been pretty quiet again. Are we not all friends any more? What are you all up to?

Hey all... Haven't been around much, work has been tough around tax time and the weather has been a little better so I've been on my bicycle a bit more. Also baseball started and hockey playoffs! Hopefully you all will have more opportunity to kill me, though.