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Poorly thought out maintenance times and their conflict with economy mechanics

sylviermoone
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Ok, this is freaking ridiculous.

The ENTIRE economy of ESO revolves around one mechanic: the Kiosk flipping time. It used to be that the bids closed at 5 minutes to 8 Eastern, flip happened at 8 Eastern, and then servers went down for maintenance. During the winter, there was an extra hour to run around looking for a stall if you happened to lose. While it isn't ideal to have maintenance happen directly AFTER the kiosk flips, it is SO MUCH BETTER than having your maintenance time DIRECTLY in conflict with this one mechanic.

Please ZOS: Get your *** together. This new maintenance time, and its direct conflict with the Kiosk mechanic on the PC/NA server is INSANE. Whoever thought this was a good idea should be taken out back and flogged.

For the love of The Eight: PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE move the maintenance time back to 8 AM Eastern on Monday. Or 8:15 Eastern. Or any day but Monday. OR ANYTHING OTHER THAN THIS CRAP IT CURRENTLY IS.
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  • labtecw
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    Best post i have seen so far i agree with this all the way
  • AzraelKrieg
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    This is my reaction to it.
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    Early maintenance means I can't play on a Monday but meh, I'll do something else. Vendor change happening during maintenance? Meh. I put my bid in early enough that I don't worry too much.
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  • AzraelKrieg
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    Lady_Ems wrote: »
    This is my reaction to it.
    ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

    Early maintenance means I can't play on a Monday but meh, I'll do something else. Vendor change happening during maintenance? Meh. I put my bid in early enough that I don't worry too much.

    Yeah I put my bid in early, but then run into the thing.. what if I get outbid.. then I don't have a trader and I have to worry about will I be home when the game comes up, will all the traders be full when I can get in. There is a good system in place and they keep messing it up

    I guess that's a big issue if you're gunning for places like Mournhold or Rawl'Kha. One of mine didn't have a vendor last week. Sure we suffered but we had other guilds we could sell in. I take a vendor loss as a chance to regroup, gain a little extra in guild's coffers from internal sales and guild events, and then try again next week.
    Gold Dragons Guildmaster PC-NA

    CR1500+
    Kalthar Wolf-Brother – EP Templar - 50
    Maeli Valen - EP NB - 50
    Naps-During-Trials – EP Templar - 50
    Jorleif the Bear-King - EP DK - 50
    Ko'Shariba-do - EP Sorc - 50
    Azrael Krieg - EP NB – 50
    Uvithasa Telvanni – EP DK – 50
    More-Tail - EP Warden - 50
    Narile Galen - EP Sorc - 50
    Az the Bulwark of Skål - EP Warden - 50
    Rilasi Sedas - EP Warden - 50
    Rayna Andalen - EP Templar - 50
  • Stump
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    Lady_Ems wrote: »
    Stump wrote: »
    I agree and have already made several posts about this in the past. I understand maintenance and I'm glad they are constantly improving the game...
    but they also designated an event time that happens ONCE a week. They can move their maintenance time to accommodate what they already put in place 2 years ago for the guild trader flipping.

    I have seen several people make post about it. Which is in part I believe to it being moved to 4AM EST, but that seems to be causing a bigger problem. Seems like since that move, it has really been messing up the trader reset event

    Exactly right, they can move maintenance to any day they like to avoid conflict. Moving it to 4am was a good start if it didn't last for 4+ hours.
  • Lady_Ems
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    Ourorboros wrote: »
    Instead of changing maintenance time to accommodate kiosk bidding why not change kiosk bidding to a time more removed from maintenance, like Friday night or Saturday morning. No idea if this would be acceptable to the community, but I do agree it was poor planning to have maintenance time conflict with kiosk bids.

    I personally don't care which one happens.. It just needs to happens. I have heard that they can't do anything with the kiosk system fot some odd reason and that its easier for them to move maintenance. How true that is .... I dunno.. But they have got to do something so the two do not collide anymore
  • Lady_Ems
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    Stump wrote: »
    Lady_Ems wrote: »
    Stump wrote: »
    I agree and have already made several posts about this in the past. I understand maintenance and I'm glad they are constantly improving the game...
    but they also designated an event time that happens ONCE a week. They can move their maintenance time to accommodate what they already put in place 2 years ago for the guild trader flipping.

    I have seen several people make post about it. Which is in part I believe to it being moved to 4AM EST, but that seems to be causing a bigger problem. Seems like since that move, it has really been messing up the trader reset event

    Exactly right, they can move maintenance to any day they like to avoid conflict. Moving it to 4am was a good start if it didn't last for 4+ hours.

    I want to say, this is the second week in a row, that the maintenance has lasted into the afternoon. So much for a fair trader flip
  • waterfairy
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    Everyone is down at the same time yes? So if anything, this maintenance just gives you more real life time before you have to go bid in game.
  • chess1ukb16_ESO
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    Excellent post Hiyde
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  • Nilmot
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    Don't have a personal story to add, but want to keep this thread bumped. The amount and random duration of maintenance is ridiculous already, but scheduling it over the trader bid close is just flat out dumb.
  • nine9six
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    The Guild Trader system is soooo awesome.

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  • Lady_Ems
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    Preyfar wrote: »
    This causes a massive amount of anxiety on the guildmasters for large trading guilds, especially for those who lose an established place because they couldn't be up to monitor the trade. Especially when you have almost 500 people who are depending on you to get the trader. It's an unneeded stress put on guildmasters.

    I agree with you... This happened to us last week becuz of this maintenance and then the extended maintenance. Then the different download speed and the stress on the ESO servers when everyone was trying to get in.... we went without an trader and have almost 500 peeps. Not counting having to get up in the middle of the night and for the west coast, twice... and then try to stick around home all day long just to lose a trader because of their screw up
    Edited by Lady_Ems on August 8, 2016 3:15PM
  • Cryptical
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    By definition, the economy is created by the transactions performed by humans.

    By procedure, the transactions that humans perform are only possible AFTER they have engaged in playing (at least one part of) the game. One must fish, or farm, or grind, or in some other manner must PLAY the game before a single transaction may be performed.

    The economy is built on the foundation of playing the game, and therefore the game must take priority over any trade issues.

    People seem to forget that the economy is the aggregate of human action, and that human action will always continue to exist even if they delete the program code for guilds and guild traders completely.

    Hard truth - the economy will not disappear if the maintenance times mean that no trade guild gets a cart anywhere on the map. ESO is a game of killing monsters and enemy characters, not the 1995 game Capitalism. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capitalism_(video_game)
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  • Meri20098
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    This is my reaction to it.
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    Early maintenance means I can't play on a Monday but meh, I'll do something else. Vendor change happening during maintenance? Meh. I put my bid in early enough that I don't worry too much.

    I'm the same. I work mondays during maintenance so I can't play till I get home anyway :)
    Feel free to add me. I'm part of Savage Blade PC/Mac NA server. Master crafter and working on getting 9 traits on everything
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