An auction house is still needed?

Cheveyo

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you realize that there are player with multimillions?

a few of those playing together could, and probably would cos they can, own a global ah.

And even if you combined every single multi-millionaire willing to work with you, you would not be able to control anything.

esometric

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Honestly if you guys spent more time learning how to trade than banging on about it on here you would have more success.

I've spent 40 mins online today and found loads of deals.....

if they make system for all no ones band there.. but still we have only crap guild stores.

what does that mean?

is it guild stores you are complaining about or guild traders....they are different things you know?

i just whant solo trade system with global search its very simple thing what you not understand i totaly not interest in your crap guilds. and i dont whant to bind self to someone to buy something. first what i done in game on addons who blocking crap guild flood in chat and anyone who use world guild auto going to ignore and block list.

jedtb16_ESO

esometric wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

Beardimus wrote: »

Honestly if you guys spent more time learning how to trade than banging on about it on here you would have more success.

I've spent 40 mins online today and found loads of deals.....

if they make system for all no ones band there.. but still we have only crap guild stores.

what does that mean?

is it guild stores you are complaining about or guild traders....they are different things you know?

i just whant solo trade system with global search its very simple thing what you not understand i totaly not interest in your crap guilds. and i dont whant to bind self to someone to buy something. first what i done in game on addons who blocking crap guild flood in chat and anyone who use world guild auto going to ignore and block list.

nope still can't understand you - perhaps if you type slower... maybe use google translate?

jedtb16_ESO

Cheveyo wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you realize that there are player with multimillions?

a few of those playing together could, and probably would cos they can, own a global ah.

And even if you combined every single multi-millionaire willing to work with you, you would not be able to control anything.

why is that?

Articulemort

Cheveyo wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you realize that there are player with multimillions?

a few of those playing together could, and probably would cos they can, own a global ah.

And even if you combined every single multi-millionaire willing to work with you, you would not be able to control anything.

Maybe you'll actually reply to me for once...

How so? I've already detailed out exactly how I could control the market, with help.

So now it's your turn. Exactly how can't I control the market for say temp alloys with help from a few friends, say 10 people total for argument sake. Why wouldn't my detailed plan not work?

Unsent.Soul

esometric wrote: »

and there you more see shop there need to bind on it to buy products ?

Go to sleep, you're drunk!

esometric

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cheveyo wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

He just demonstrated the opposite. Please demonstrate how and why he's wrong (you can't, because he's right). The market does NOT exceed the total value of gold in the game - quite the opposite, many people have been piling up gold for quite a while now. It's even more true when it comes to controlling just a corner of the market - tempering alloys for instance.

He will not be able to gather the entire economic power of every player.

You can't honestly have your head that far up your own rear, can you?

you realize that there are player with multimillions?

a few of those playing together could, and probably would cos they can, own a global ah.

and ? thats reson to not give solo players open own shops ? becouse your guild will lost people ?

esometric

Unsent.Soul wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

and there you more see shop there need to bind on it to buy products ?

Go to sleep, you're drunk!

im not drinking alchohol donky

Lucius_Aelius

Cheveyo wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

you realize that there are player with multimillions?

a few of those playing together could, and probably would cos they can, own a global ah.

And even if you combined every single multi-millionaire willing to work with you, you would not be able to control anything.

None of us have any real way of knowing how much money or people it would take to control the market, but some people have 10 's of millions of Gold, and the more Gold you have the easier it is to make more. So even if it starts off with people not being able to control the market, the richest people will still keep getting richer and may well reach the point where they can pull it off.

You're a liar and/or a fool if you don't think it could happen, just as I'd be a liar and/or fool if I said that it definitely would. It's certainly possible though (for an absolute fact) and quite likely that it would happen I believe (that part is opinion), and it's too much of a risk all the moreso since an AH would also be lore-breaking and would shatter any sense of immersion players would have while using it.

If anything I don't think there should be Wayshrines at all, Elder Scrolls as a franchise is not designed for people to travel or communicate instantly across vast distances, and any further system they introduce which requires such lore-defying attributes is another step in the wrong direction.

jedtb16_ESO

esometric wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cheveyo wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

He just demonstrated the opposite. Please demonstrate how and why he's wrong (you can't, because he's right). The market does NOT exceed the total value of gold in the game - quite the opposite, many people have been piling up gold for quite a while now. It's even more true when it comes to controlling just a corner of the market - tempering alloys for instance.

He will not be able to gather the entire economic power of every player.

You can't honestly have your head that far up your own rear, can you?

you realize that there are player with multimillions?

a few of those playing together could, and probably would cos they can, own a global ah.

and ? thats reson to not give solo players open own shops ? becouse your guild will lost people ?

ah... i understood that bit. no old chap i'm not in a trading guild. haven't been in a trading guild for over a year. i find it no problem to sell via z/ chat. actually make more gold that way, no taxes. but i like the guild system.

esometric

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cheveyo wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

He just demonstrated the opposite. Please demonstrate how and why he's wrong (you can't, because he's right). The market does NOT exceed the total value of gold in the game - quite the opposite, many people have been piling up gold for quite a while now. It's even more true when it comes to controlling just a corner of the market - tempering alloys for instance.

He will not be able to gather the entire economic power of every player.

You can't honestly have your head that far up your own rear, can you?

you realize that there are player with multimillions?

a few of those playing together could, and probably would cos they can, own a global ah.

and ? thats reson to not give solo players open own shops ? becouse your guild will lost people ?

ah... i understood that bit. no old chap i'm not in a trading guild. haven't been in a trading guild for over a year. i find it no problem to sell via z/ chat. actually make more gold that way, no taxes. but i like the guild system.

and for was not better to get oportunity of solo shop and global search tool in game / for you better write in chat ? and you think alot of people just reading chat ? more then use global search tool in game if they make it ?

Cheveyo

Articulemort wrote: »

Maybe you'll actually reply to me for once...

How so? I've already detailed out exactly how I could control the market, with help.

So now it's your turn. Exactly how can't I control the market for say temp alloys with help from a few friends, say 10 people total for argument sake. Why wouldn't my detailed plan not work?

I don't remember what you wrote, but I can probably guess.

1. Temp Alloys are not a finite resource. The game is creating new ones all the time. Which means there's always going to be more people looking to sell them. You will not have full control over the product because you do not own the means to production.
2. There exists more than 10 people on every server. On PC especially, there are thousands. Now imagine there are 50,000 players on a server. And 30,000 of them are doing things that would have a chance to reward the Alloys. These alloys are not provided by you or anyone you know, and are instead NEW ones created by the server. Of these 30,000, 10,000 want to sell the Alloy. So you have 10,000 players to compete with. At least half of these people will definitely NOT be playing the auction house and will simply undercut whatever is already there. Do you believe that 10 people are going to be capable of controlling 5,000? Let alone the other 5k that will be taking the time to compete against you?

You cannot control this market like you think you can.

jedtb16_ESO

esometric wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

esometric wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

Cheveyo wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

He just demonstrated the opposite. Please demonstrate how and why he's wrong (you can't, because he's right). The market does NOT exceed the total value of gold in the game - quite the opposite, many people have been piling up gold for quite a while now. It's even more true when it comes to controlling just a corner of the market - tempering alloys for instance.

He will not be able to gather the entire economic power of every player.

You can't honestly have your head that far up your own rear, can you?

you realize that there are player with multimillions?

a few of those playing together could, and probably would cos they can, own a global ah.

and ? thats reson to not give solo players open own shops ? becouse your guild will lost people ?

ah... i understood that bit. no old chap i'm not in a trading guild. haven't been in a trading guild for over a year. i find it no problem to sell via z/ chat. actually make more gold that way, no taxes. but i like the guild system.

and for was not better to get oportunity of solo shop and global search tool in game / for you better write in chat ? and you think alot of people just reading chat ? more then use global search tool in game if they make it ?

still not entirely sure what you are trying to say. but yes i find /z chat sufficient for selling stuff.

jedtb16_ESO

Cheveyo wrote: »

Articulemort wrote: »

Maybe you'll actually reply to me for once...

How so? I've already detailed out exactly how I could control the market, with help.

So now it's your turn. Exactly how can't I control the market for say temp alloys with help from a few friends, say 10 people total for argument sake. Why wouldn't my detailed plan not work?

I don't remember what you wrote, but I can probably guess.

1. Temp Alloys are not a finite resource. The game is creating new ones all the time. Which means there's always going to be more people looking to sell them. You will not have full control over the product because you do not own the means to production.
2. There exists more than 10 people on every server. On PC especially, there are thousands. Now imagine there are 50,000 players on a server. And 30,000 of them are doing things that would have a chance to reward the Alloys. These alloys are not provided by you or anyone you know, and are instead NEW ones created by the server. Of these 30,000, 10,000 want to sell the Alloy. So you have 10,000 players to compete with. At least half of these people will definitely NOT be playing the auction house and will simply undercut whatever is already there. Do you believe that 10 people are going to be capable of controlling 5,000? Let alone the other 5k that will be taking the time to compete against you?

You cannot control this market like you think you can.

it happened in lotro and swtor and, i'm told though did not witness it, wow.

Vipstaakki

AH will skyrocket the prices. It does not work the way you think it does. With the current system you have the chance to look for the cheapest prices from multiple guild traders. With an auction house you will not have that chance, there is a single concentrated location that's selling the reagents or whatnot you want for a fixed price. Don't think people are going to sell stuff cheap just because. If they have a chance of making more money out of a single item, of course they would do that. With prices rising there is no reason to sell as cheap as before because you can likely still get away on inflated prices since there are some ludicrously priced items more expensive that your own.

Cheveyo

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

it happened in lotro and swtor and, i'm told though did not witness it, wow.

No, it didn't.

Orlacc

It works fine. Game is doing well. If you don't like it leave. Plenty of other games.

jedtb16_ESO

Cheveyo wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

it happened in lotro and swtor and, i'm told though did not witness it, wow.

No, it didn't.

yes it did. you don't seem to understand how easy it is to game an auction house. if you have just one market for an area it just comes down to a spreadsheet and patience.

oh, one other thing i posed a question earlier which none of the proponents of ah have answered perhaps you could -

given that there are already four ways for every player to buy and sell why should zos divert resources to provide a fifth?

Cheveyo

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

yes it did. you don't seem to understand how easy it is to game an auction house. if you have just one market for an area it just comes down to a spreadsheet and patience.

oh, one other thing i posed a question earlier which none of the proponents of ah have answered perhaps you could -

given that there are already four ways for every player to buy and sell why should zos divert resources to provide a fifth?

The last time someone tried to control the AH in WoW, their heads exploded and a zombie apocalypse spread across the American Northeast.

See? I can make stuff up, too.

zergbase_ESO

So when we getting an auction house so I don't have to search a bunch traders for best price as well item I'm looking for?

Seriously auction house.

Vipstaakki

zergbase_ESO wrote: »

So when we getting an auction house so I don't have to search a bunch traders for best price as well item I'm looking for?

Seriously auction house.

No.

anitajoneb17_ESO

Cheveyo wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

He just demonstrated the opposite. Please demonstrate how and why he's wrong (you can't, because he's right). The market does NOT exceed the total value of gold in the game - quite the opposite, many people have been piling up gold for quite a while now. It's even more true when it comes to controlling just a corner of the market - tempering alloys for instance.

He will not be able to gather the entire economic power of every player.

You can't honestly have your head that far up your own rear, can you?

Of course he will. Of course I can. 'cause it's math. Not "rear-ego-geometry".

zergbase_ESO

Vipstaakki wrote: »

zergbase_ESO wrote: »

So when we getting an auction house so I don't have to search a bunch traders for best price as well item I'm looking for?

Seriously auction house.

No.

Yes.

Something that has been needed forever. Auction house 2016! vote Auction!

anitajoneb17_ESO

Cheveyo wrote: »

1. Temp Alloys are not a finite resource. The game is creating new ones all the time. Which means there's always going to be more people looking to sell them. You will not have full control over the product because you do not own the means to production.

Temp alloys are a rare resource : which means, they are used up in larger quantities than they are produced by the system/player activity.
You won't have that many people coming up with hundred of alloys to sell, and IF they did, they would of course follow the upward trend of prices initiated by the group of ppl controlling the market for alloys.
We do not own the means of production but those means are limited, and people who will produce will follow the market trend.

L2economics.

jedtb16_ESO

Cheveyo wrote: »

jedtb16_ESO wrote: »

yes it did. you don't seem to understand how easy it is to game an auction house. if you have just one market for an area it just comes down to a spreadsheet and patience.

oh, one other thing i posed a question earlier which none of the proponents of ah have answered perhaps you could -

given that there are already four ways for every player to buy and sell why should zos divert resources to provide a fifth?

The last time someone tried to control the AH in WoW, their heads exploded and a zombie apocalypse spread across the American Northeast.

See? I can make stuff up, too.

yes i had noticed that. but you don't seem to be able to answer a straight question.

Cheveyo

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Temp alloys are a rare resource : which means, they are used up in larger quantities than they are produced by the system/player activity.
You won't have that many people coming up with hundred of alloys to sell, and IF they did, they would of course follow the upward trend of prices initiated by the group of ppl controlling the market for alloys.
We do not own the means of production but those means are limited, and people who will produce will follow the market trend.

L2economics.

You don't have many people coming up with them because of how limiting the guild trader system is.
If there was a global auction house, you would not have this problem.

Mysticman

ScottK1994 wrote: »

So the majority of guilds in the game being unable to sell means it works quite well?

Just the ones you are in.

esometric

That will be better and more fun then your crap guild store.
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/283416/trade-guild-addon#latest

Erelah

I am waiting for One Tamerial to come out.

At that time there will be 1/3 the number of Guild traders available due instead of there being an EP, DC, and AD Stonefalls all with their own Guild Traders available there will just be one Stonefallas, the same with all the other zones. With a lot less Guilds (and thus people) having Guild Traders likely causing guild stores to become even more mercenary I wonder if people will want something more global or regional where everyone can sell items.

idk

ScottK1994 wrote: »

Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

The comment on the guild trader is an opinion. ESO is a successful MMO and yet does not have an AH so it is clearly not a requirement. Additionally, other successful MMOs have had guild trader style system.

There are many that like the guild trader. If most of the players truly did not like the guild trader system the forums would have been on fire long ago, yet that has never happened.