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An auction house is still needed?
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Articulemort✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »this trading sytstem is worst ever, like this was only in soviet union. first mmo there solo player dnt have trade system.
You realize trade system and player market system are 2 different types of trading right? If you don't like the player market system then use chatting in crowds to see if anyone is selling what you seek and then use good old fashioned direct trading.
you realize that not all people so stupid that whant pay taxes for people who press 2 buttons and create guild in game ???
If this is all it takes then create your guild, recruit 50+ people, scope out a shop, win bid on said shop, and profit.... Right?
Your statement makes you look extremely naive.
stay with your crap guild shops, other players whant solo trading system and we will get it.
You already have it. Wait for it....
It's called Zone Chat on pc and area chat on console.
*gasp*
ok then remove guild shops totaly and open solo shops and for guilds will be only one trade zone: CHAT
Haha what's the logic in that?
You want a way for you, as a solo player, to sell items. You have one, zone/area chat. If you truly don't want to do so, and refuse to join a guild, you sol bud. Maybe you should just quit and play a different game since they won't change the current WORKING system anytime soon.
I dare you to for once, actually state how the current system isn't working.
change shops for solo, chat for guilds. maby you just quit this game stupid kid >? no ones ask change just give us solo shops and you stay with your guild shops then and be heppy.
Again, kid, you ALREADY have a "solo shop."
It's called Zone Chat....
And I see you still can't create a coherent logical argument against the current system.
again chilldren chat is not a shop totaly broken brains kids in new generation of gamers, letschange shops will be solo and GUILDS can sell only in chat ok ? and after this we will say dont cry you have guild store in CHAT
Ok fine. How will your "solo shops" work? What, 5 people per area can set them up? Or every single player in that area can set up a shop?
How do you expect the game servers be able to handle that when they can't even handle players spamming skills in one area without players crashing?
You say you can't find an items in the guild stores and you don't want to search for days to find a specific item?
With solo shops, now you will literally have to search for days to find a item.
And again, still NO logical and coherent argument against the current system. You want people to respect your ideas, make a coherent and logical argument against the current system then make a logical and coherent pitch for your idea.
And zone chat not being a shop? I suppose the hundreds of thousands of gold and the hundreds of trades I've done in area chat never happened then...
No logic in your crap guild stores its just a bussiness for kids owners. go and trade with all your guild in chat idiot.
How is it beneficial to the guild owner? How do you think these guilds come up with millions of gold to make a bid?
Leading a trading guild is like a freaking full time job. All the sales tax and all the donations go towards the guild's bid.
You clearly lack the basic knowledge of how trading guilds work.
You are a seriously naive person if you think solo shops would work or even make the system easier.
And for like the tenth time, still waiting for a logical argument against the current system. I suppose you just don't have one, or you would have already stated it. You seem like a very hateful person, who just enjoys arguing for the sake of it without a logical explanation as to why.Edited by Articulemort on August 6, 2016 4:06PM2 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Expanding on my idea there could be a portal in each major city to a guild mall of sorts where you could still have individual guild booths but it would all be in the same spot eliminating the travel problem
I would think this would benefit the guild as there would be no bad location and even out bids.
This would be especially easy to implement when One Tamriel drops as there would be no faction problems.Edited by TequilaFire on August 6, 2016 4:10PM0 -
Articulemort✭✭✭TequilaFire wrote: »Expanding on my idea there could be a portal in each major city to a guild mall of sorts where you could still have individual guild booths but it would all be in the same spot eliminating the travel problem
I would think this would benefit the guild as there would be no bad location and even out bids.
As a leader of a smaller trading guild, and a high officer in a decent sized one...
No.
This would drive up the costs of traders to an ungodly high amount. Every trader would cost millions of gold now. The top trading guilds have millions upon millions stashed in their banks, they would have no problem with is. Smaller guilds that barely make their bid every week would be punished. No more getting traders for 100g, or even a few hundred thousand.
You would completely destroy all the smaller trading guilds. Not to mention, no more social, pvp, or rp guild ever acquiring a trader again.2 -
Cheveyo✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
You can't create a monopoly with a global AH system because you're competing with everyone on the server. That means you will NEVER own everything. Let's say you buy all the nightshade and put it all back up for a higher price. Nothing is stopping another person from showing up and selling it cheaper than you.
With the guild system, you can own every single slot in a zone. Thus, having yourself a monopoly.1 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭How so cost would come down as only one location.
Besides this is about the buyers your customers right?
Oh wait we are just walking gold bags to you.0 -
Articulemort✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
You can't create a monopoly with a global AH system because you're competing with everyone on the server. That means you will NEVER own everything. Let's say you buy all the nightshade and put it all back up for a higher price. Nothing is stopping another person from showing up and selling it cheaper than you.
With the guild system, you can own every single slot in a zone. Thus, having yourself a monopoly.
However, I no longer even have to move to purchase that person who is trying to undercut me. Get a few of my buddies to watch the market also, and bam. I own the market, well me and my buddies.
Your going on the belief that I have a limited quantity and could ever keep the market. Betqeen my buddies and I, we have millions of gold that, without a bid to sustain, have no use for now. Plus with items being extremely easy to farm, I could easily obtain a basically unlimited supply with unlimited resources to continually keep the prices high.
But of course, I would let the market sink first, so I could buy all of that item extremely cheap, even it's if at a temporary lost, just so I can drive the prices up again to recoup my loses.
And do you really think I'm the only player who would do this??Edited by Articulemort on August 6, 2016 4:20PM0 -
Cheveyo✭✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »However, I no longer even have to move to purchase that person who is trying to undercut me. Get a few of my buddies to watch the market also, and bam. I own the market, well me and my buddies.
Your going on the belief that I have a limited quantity and could ever keep the market. Betqeen my buddies and I, we have millions of gold that, without a bid to sustain, have no use for now. Plus with items being extremely easy to farm, I could easily obtain a basically unlimited supply with unlimited resources to continually keep the prices high.
But of course, I would let the market sink first, so I could buy all of that item extremely cheap, even it's if at a temporary lost, so just I can drive the prices up again to recoup my loses.
And do you really think I'm the only player who would do this??
You will never own the market.
You seem to be under the delusion that you can sit there 24/7 purchasing every new item placed on the auction house. It is simply not possible.
if there were 20 people on the server, yeah, you can own it all.
But there aren't 20 people. And on top of this, you're going to be competing with the bot farmers.0 -
TequilaFire✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭It is obvious from responses from some of you guild sellers some rules need to be put in place in the game to keep it fair between the sellers themselves and between seller and buyer.
This is a game but that doesn't mean it doesn't need fair trade practices.Edited by TequilaFire on August 6, 2016 4:23PM0 -
Articulemort✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »However, I no longer even have to move to purchase that person who is trying to undercut me. Get a few of my buddies to watch the market also, and bam. I own the market, well me and my buddies.
Your going on the belief that I have a limited quantity and could ever keep the market. Betqeen my buddies and I, we have millions of gold that, without a bid to sustain, have no use for now. Plus with items being extremely easy to farm, I could easily obtain a basically unlimited supply with unlimited resources to continually keep the prices high.
But of course, I would let the market sink first, so I could buy all of that item extremely cheap, even it's if at a temporary lost, so just I can drive the prices up again to recoup my loses.
And do you really think I'm the only player who would do this??
You will never own the market.
You seem to be under the delusion that you can sit there 24/7 purchasing every new item placed on the auction house. It is simply not possible.
if there were 20 people on the server, yeah, you can own it all.
But there aren't 20 people. And on top of this, you're going to be competing with the bot farmers.
Haha, your under the impression that I actually do stuff in this game, and don't play all the time. With the amount that I play, plus my friends would join me, we could easily watch the market. I have a friend who I swear to God doesn't sleep, all he does is play, and all he does in game is buy and sell.
Plus, I play on console, don't need to worry about bot farmers much.
Your naive to think I couldn't get a large group of people to control the market. Greed is a easy way to group people together.Edited by Articulemort on August 6, 2016 4:26PM3 -
Unsent.Soul✭✭✭✭✭
✭Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »this trading sytstem is worst ever, like this was only in soviet union. first mmo there solo player dnt have trade system.
You realize trade system and player market system are 2 different types of trading right? If you don't like the player market system then use chatting in crowds to see if anyone is selling what you seek and then use good old fashioned direct trading.
you realize that not all people so stupid that whant pay taxes for people who press 2 buttons and create guild in game ???
If this is all it takes then create your guild, recruit 50+ people, scope out a shop, win bid on said shop, and profit.... Right?
Your statement makes you look extremely naive.
stay with your crap guild shops, other players whant solo trading system and we will get it.
You already have it. Wait for it....
It's called Zone Chat on pc and area chat on console.
*gasp*
ok then remove guild shops totaly and open solo shops and for guilds will be only one trade zone: CHAT
Haha what's the logic in that?
You want a way for you, as a solo player, to sell items. You have one, zone/area chat. If you truly don't want to do so, and refuse to join a guild, you sol bud. Maybe you should just quit and play a different game since they won't change the current WORKING system anytime soon.
I dare you to for once, actually state how the current system isn't working.
change shops for solo, chat for guilds. maby you just quit this game stupid kid >? no ones ask change just give us solo shops and you stay with your guild shops then and be heppy.
Again, kid, you ALREADY have a "solo shop."
It's called Zone Chat....
And I see you still can't create a coherent logical argument against the current system.
again chilldren chat is not a shop totaly broken brains kids in new generation of gamers, letschange shops will be solo and GUILDS can sell only in chat ok ? and after this we will say dont cry you have guild store in CHAT
Ok fine. How will your "solo shops" work? What, 5 people per area can set them up? Or every single player in that area can set up a shop?
How do you expect the game servers be able to handle that when they can't even handle players spamming skills in one area without players crashing?
You say you can't find an items in the guild stores and you don't want to search for days to find a specific item?
With solo shops, now you will literally have to search for days to find a item.
And again, still NO logical and coherent argument against the current system. You want people to respect your ideas, make a coherent and logical argument against the current system then make a logical and coherent pitch for your idea.
And zone chat not being a shop? I suppose the hundreds of thousands of gold and the hundreds of trades I've done in area chat never happened then...
No logic in your crap guild stores its just a bussiness for kids owners. go and trade with all your guild in chat idiot.
How is it beneficial to the guild owner? How do you think these guilds come up with millions of gold to make a bid?
Leading a trading guild is like a freaking full time job. All the sales tax and all the donations go towards the guild's bid.
You clearly lack the basic knowledge of how trading guilds work.
You are a seriously naive person if you think solo shops would work or even make the system easier.
And for like the tenth time, still waiting for a logical argument against the current system. I suppose you just don't have one, or you would have already stated it. You seem like a very hateful person, who just enjoys arguing for the sake of it without a logical explanation as to why.
Basically this, sorry @ScottK1994 your thread has been derailed horribly.0 -
Icy_Waffles✭✭✭✭✭God yes please auction house. I'd even go so far as to say that you need a guild to use it1 -
Cheveyo✭✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »However, I no longer even have to move to purchase that person who is trying to undercut me. Get a few of my buddies to watch the market also, and bam. I own the market, well me and my buddies.
Your going on the belief that I have a limited quantity and could ever keep the market. Betqeen my buddies and I, we have millions of gold that, without a bid to sustain, have no use for now. Plus with items being extremely easy to farm, I could easily obtain a basically unlimited supply with unlimited resources to continually keep the prices high.
But of course, I would let the market sink first, so I could buy all of that item extremely cheap, even it's if at a temporary lost, so just I can drive the prices up again to recoup my loses.
And do you really think I'm the only player who would do this??
You will never own the market.
You seem to be under the delusion that you can sit there 24/7 purchasing every new item placed on the auction house. It is simply not possible.
if there were 20 people on the server, yeah, you can own it all.
But there aren't 20 people. And on top of this, you're going to be competing with the bot farmers.
Haha, your under the impression that I actually do stuff in this game, and don't play all the time. With the amount that I play, plus my friends would join me, we could easily watch the market. I have a friend who I swear to God doesn't sleep, all he does is play, and all he does in game is buy and sell.
Plus, I play on console, don't need to worry about bot farmers much.
Your naive to think I couldn't get a large group of people to control the market. Greed is a easy way to group people together.
Why are you so desperate to keep the status quo that you'd invent things that don't even argue your own case?0 -
Articulemort✭✭✭Unsent.Soul wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Unsent.Soul wrote: »UltimaJoe777 wrote: »this trading sytstem is worst ever, like this was only in soviet union. first mmo there solo player dnt have trade system.
You realize trade system and player market system are 2 different types of trading right? If you don't like the player market system then use chatting in crowds to see if anyone is selling what you seek and then use good old fashioned direct trading.
you realize that not all people so stupid that whant pay taxes for people who press 2 buttons and create guild in game ???
If this is all it takes then create your guild, recruit 50+ people, scope out a shop, win bid on said shop, and profit.... Right?
Your statement makes you look extremely naive.
stay with your crap guild shops, other players whant solo trading system and we will get it.
You already have it. Wait for it....
It's called Zone Chat on pc and area chat on console.
*gasp*
ok then remove guild shops totaly and open solo shops and for guilds will be only one trade zone: CHAT
Haha what's the logic in that?
You want a way for you, as a solo player, to sell items. You have one, zone/area chat. If you truly don't want to do so, and refuse to join a guild, you sol bud. Maybe you should just quit and play a different game since they won't change the current WORKING system anytime soon.
I dare you to for once, actually state how the current system isn't working.
change shops for solo, chat for guilds. maby you just quit this game stupid kid >? no ones ask change just give us solo shops and you stay with your guild shops then and be heppy.
Again, kid, you ALREADY have a "solo shop."
It's called Zone Chat....
And I see you still can't create a coherent logical argument against the current system.
again chilldren chat is not a shop totaly broken brains kids in new generation of gamers, letschange shops will be solo and GUILDS can sell only in chat ok ? and after this we will say dont cry you have guild store in CHAT
Ok fine. How will your "solo shops" work? What, 5 people per area can set them up? Or every single player in that area can set up a shop?
How do you expect the game servers be able to handle that when they can't even handle players spamming skills in one area without players crashing?
You say you can't find an items in the guild stores and you don't want to search for days to find a specific item?
With solo shops, now you will literally have to search for days to find a item.
And again, still NO logical and coherent argument against the current system. You want people to respect your ideas, make a coherent and logical argument against the current system then make a logical and coherent pitch for your idea.
And zone chat not being a shop? I suppose the hundreds of thousands of gold and the hundreds of trades I've done in area chat never happened then...
No logic in your crap guild stores its just a bussiness for kids owners. go and trade with all your guild in chat idiot.
How is it beneficial to the guild owner? How do you think these guilds come up with millions of gold to make a bid?
Leading a trading guild is like a freaking full time job. All the sales tax and all the donations go towards the guild's bid.
You clearly lack the basic knowledge of how trading guilds work.
You are a seriously naive person if you think solo shops would work or even make the system easier.
And for like the tenth time, still waiting for a logical argument against the current system. I suppose you just don't have one, or you would have already stated it. You seem like a very hateful person, who just enjoys arguing for the sake of it without a logical explanation as to why.
You clearly lack the basic knowledge abaut trade market and totaly rpg.
Do you even read what you type?
i will allways write the same guild stores is crap cheating system for kids. and in game will be another system of trade then you 100% cry then noone buy from your guild store and you dont get any coin for this.
How is the current system a "crap cheating system for kids" or is that your way of saying you have absolutely no idea how the current system works.
I have yet to see anything other then flaming comments from you.
You can barely put together a quality sentence, let alone a logical argument against anything.2 -
anitajoneb17_ESO✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »
You can't create a monopoly with a global AH system because you're competing with everyone on the server. That means you will NEVER own everything. Let's say you buy all the nightshade and put it all back up for a higher price. Nothing is stopping another person from showing up and selling it cheaper than you.
With the guild system, you can own every single slot in a zone. Thus, having yourself a monopoly.
You're totally wrong.
First : The AH system would allow to buy all nightshade in a second and to be informed as soon as someone puts new nightshade on sale, because I'd KNOW IT immediately. I cannot do that in a decentralized system.
Second : the guild system doesn't let ANYONE nor ANY guild control all spots in a zone. How can you even imagine that ? You can NEVER prevent another guild, even a smaller guild, to save up over time and bid on your spot any week and win it.
It's incredible how people are misinformed about the guild trader system.
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Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭maby in real life need trade system like this then to if you whant buy food from shop you must register on this shop ?? more stupid thing i dont see never. Trade bussiness is for that guy who get this stuff what he sell not a stupid kid who press 2 buttons and creat a guild. And best system is solo trade shops with global search tool.
I'm honestly trying to understand what you're saying but your attempt at English is pretty garbled, no offense intended at all if it's not your first language (which I fully suspect it isn't) but if you want to interact on an English forum you would do well to put the right words in the right order or we just can't understand what you're saying without decrypting it. The first and last sentence I think I can make sense of, but that middle one is just gibberish.
As for your argument, you're not making any sense at all with that first bit quite apart from your use of English. You don't have to be a member of a Guild to buy things from them, only to sell, so your analogy is nonsense. Going around and buying things in real life doesn't require being a member of the store either, but selling things to other people from that store absolutely would, so that analogy used correctly means the exact opposite of what you say it means and entirely supports the current Guild Trader system.
There's nothing stopping you from selling in Zone Chat either, so I don't see why you even care, just sell that way if that's how you want to do it, there's no reason for the rest of us not to have and make use of this perfectly good and well-designed system just because you don't like it.
Regarding solo shops I'm not sure what you mean, but if you mean having one trader in a shop that everyone sells from without being in a Guild, then you're essentially talking about an Auction House, or near enough, especially what with a global search function. I think that's a god awful idea, not only is it lore and immersion breaking, but it also trivializes the acquisition of loot if it's too easy to find and buy whatever you want at a cheap price.
You're supposed to play the game and earn things yourself as the primary way of obtaining loot, buying from and selling to others is only supposed to be an afterthought that helps mitigate RNG and let people make something off of things they don't need, as well as flesh out any sets that RNGesus refuses to bestow in full. And even then it's decentralized so that you never know if or where you'll find what you're looking for, or what price you'll find it at.
Often I'll look for something and find it, but then I'll keep looking elsewhere and find the same thing for way less. It may take an hour or more of searching sometimes, but that's almost guaranteed to be a hell of a lot faster than depending on RNGesus to smile upon you so I fail to see the problem. This way just means for those most determined to find a deal that one can be found, and those too lazy to look thoroughly can pay through the nose as a price for their laziness, as it should be.
People on opposing sides of this issue are never going to agree just because we want different things out of the trading system, I want something immersion and lore friendly that doesn't make it too easy to find what you want and encourages a wide distribution of item prices, and any sort of Auction House or global search function would destroy that. If you want the game to be easy-mode then go play My Little Pony, the rest of us like working for our rewards and not having everything handed to us on a silver platter.
And I honestly don't even like grinding for things, I don't enjoy it at all, but as long as you don't need to grind excessively to obtain what you want I don't mind doing it considering the enjoyment I get playing with top notch gear. This game is definitely a bit more grindy than I'd like, but better that than be too easy, and all this Auction House and Global Search nonsense would just make it too cheap and too easy to get anything you want any time you want it.Edited by Lucius_Aelius on August 6, 2016 4:50PMDaggerfall Covenant - Scourge (Xbox NA) - GT: Lucius Aelius - Lord - 648CP
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Articulemort✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »However, I no longer even have to move to purchase that person who is trying to undercut me. Get a few of my buddies to watch the market also, and bam. I own the market, well me and my buddies.
Your going on the belief that I have a limited quantity and could ever keep the market. Betqeen my buddies and I, we have millions of gold that, without a bid to sustain, have no use for now. Plus with items being extremely easy to farm, I could easily obtain a basically unlimited supply with unlimited resources to continually keep the prices high.
But of course, I would let the market sink first, so I could buy all of that item extremely cheap, even it's if at a temporary lost, so just I can drive the prices up again to recoup my loses.
And do you really think I'm the only player who would do this??
You will never own the market.
You seem to be under the delusion that you can sit there 24/7 purchasing every new item placed on the auction house. It is simply not possible.
if there were 20 people on the server, yeah, you can own it all.
But there aren't 20 people. And on top of this, you're going to be competing with the bot farmers.
Haha, your under the impression that I actually do stuff in this game, and don't play all the time. With the amount that I play, plus my friends would join me, we could easily watch the market. I have a friend who I swear to God doesn't sleep, all he does is play, and all he does in game is buy and sell.
Plus, I play on console, don't need to worry about bot farmers much.
Your naive to think I couldn't get a large group of people to control the market. Greed is a easy way to group people together.
Why are you so desperate to keep the status quo that you'd invent things that don't even argue your own case?
I'm enjoy the current system, it's the reason I play.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but you wanna change the current system to a AH, its just going to destroy the economy worse. I have no problem with them taking away the biggest gold sink in the game, and making it easier for players to control certain markets. Have at it. Just don't QQ when it doesn't work out in your favor and works out in mine.0 -
ZOS_JohanaB✭✭✭✭Recently several comments have been removed as they were considered to be baiting, flaming, and insulting comments. All of which are against the community rules. While we understand everyone may not agree that is not an excuse to attack one another.
Just a reminder to be nicer.3 -
Cheveyo✭✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »
I'm enjoy the current system, it's the reason I play.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but you wanna change the current system to a AH, its just going to destroy the economy worse. I have no problem with them taking away the biggest gold sink in the game, and making it easier for players to control certain markets. Have at it. Just don't QQ when it doesn't work out in your favor and works out in mine.
I don't care if a global auction house helps you make more money.
I want a global AH because it's much easier to get items I need at a lower cost. I wont have to travel all over the world in order to get one piece of gear or one crafting reagent.
It's the difference between going to Walmart and visiting your neighbors to ask them to borrow some sugar. With walmart, I don't have to wait for the neighbors to get home. I don't have to run around my neighborhood until I find the one neighbor that has what I need, only to find out that they'll only give it to me if I sacrifice my first born in their name.Edited by Cheveyo on August 6, 2016 4:55PM4 -
Articulemort✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »
I'm enjoy the current system, it's the reason I play.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but you wanna change the current system to a AH, its just going to destroy the economy worse. I have no problem with them taking away the biggest gold sink in the game, and making it easier for players to control certain markets. Have at it. Just don't QQ when it doesn't work out in your favor and works out in mine.
I don't care if a global auction house helps you make more money.
I want a global AH because it's much easier to get items I need at a lower cost. I wont have to travel all over the world in order to get one piece of gear or one crafting reagent.
It's the difference between going to Walmart and visiting your neighbors to ask them to borrow some sugar. With walmart, I don't have to wait for the neighbors to get home. I don't have to run around my neighborhood until I find the one neighbor that has what I need, only to find out that they'll only give it to me if I sacrifice my first born in their name.
The only thing you will find cheaper is the items that's players like me don't find it worthful to jack the price up. Any high demand item will increase in price. Guaranteed.
You maybe able to acquire them cheaply for a brief period of time, or if the players controlling the market allow the price to drop. But in time, the price will rise.
I am also, not sure what item you can't find quickly. Any item I am in the market for I can find in Mournhold, guaranteed. I have never run into a situation where I quickly couldn't find an item I was searching for.0 -
Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »
I'm enjoy the current system, it's the reason I play.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but you wanna change the current system to a AH, its just going to destroy the economy worse. I have no problem with them taking away the biggest gold sink in the game, and making it easier for players to control certain markets. Have at it. Just don't QQ when it doesn't work out in your favor and works out in mine.
I don't care if a global auction house helps you make more money.
I want a global AH because it's much easier to get items I need at a lower cost. I wont have to travel all over the world in order to get one piece of gear or one crafting reagent.
It's the difference between going to Walmart and visiting your neighbors to ask them to borrow some sugar. With walmart, I don't have to wait for the neighbors to get home. I don't have to run around my neighborhood until I find the one neighbor that has what I need, only to find out that they'll only give it to me if I sacrifice my first born in their name.
The only thing you will find cheaper is the items that's players like me don't find it worthful to jack the price up. Any high demand item will increase in price. Guaranteed.
You maybe able to acquire them cheaply for a brief period of time, or if the players controlling the market allow the price to drop. But in time, the price will rise.
I am also, not sure what item you can't find quickly. Any item I am in the market for I can find in Mournhold, guaranteed. I have never run into a situation where I quickly couldn't find an item I was searching for.
This is exactly my complaint, everything would either be ridiculously underpriced to the point of worthlessness or bought out by a select few and reposted with the prices jacked way up, leading to everything being either ridiculously cheap or ridiculously overpriced, with nothing in between (and of course with no effort necessary to find anything you want). That sounds so utterly unappealing that I struggle to find appropriate words to naysay it without resorting to vulgarity.Edited by Lucius_Aelius on August 6, 2016 5:06PMDaggerfall Covenant - Scourge (Xbox NA) - GT: Lucius Aelius - Lord - 648CP
Lucius Aelius Aurelius - 50 Imperial Dragonknight - Centurion - Stam Tank
Lucius Aelius Valerius - 50 Imperial Templar - Lieutenant - Mag Heal/DPS
Lucius Aelius Regulus - 50 Imperial Nightblade - First Sergeant - Stam DPS
Lucius Aelius Augustus - 50 Imperial Sorcerer - Corporal - Mag DPS
Wags-His-Tail - 20 Argonian Sorcerer - Recruit - TBD
Holds-The-Line - 40 Argonian Dragonknight - Recruit - TBD
Carries-Extra-Gear - 4 Argonian Dragonknight - Recruit - TBD
Guildmaster - Wardens of the Covenant
Group Leader - xpThe Guildxp
Trader - Secret Sauce
Trader - Elite Dungeoneers3 -
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✭✭Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »
I'm enjoy the current system, it's the reason I play.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but you wanna change the current system to a AH, its just going to destroy the economy worse. I have no problem with them taking away the biggest gold sink in the game, and making it easier for players to control certain markets. Have at it. Just don't QQ when it doesn't work out in your favor and works out in mine.
I don't care if a global auction house helps you make more money.
I want a global AH because it's much easier to get items I need at a lower cost. I wont have to travel all over the world in order to get one piece of gear or one crafting reagent.
It's the difference between going to Walmart and visiting your neighbors to ask them to borrow some sugar. With walmart, I don't have to wait for the neighbors to get home. I don't have to run around my neighborhood until I find the one neighbor that has what I need, only to find out that they'll only give it to me if I sacrifice my first born in their name.
The only thing you will find cheaper is the items that's players like me don't find it worthful to jack the price up. Any high demand item will increase in price. Guaranteed.
You maybe able to acquire them cheaply for a brief period of time, or if the players controlling the market allow the price to drop. But in time, the price will rise.
I am also, not sure what item you can't find quickly. Any item I am in the market for I can find in Mournhold, guaranteed. I have never run into a situation where I quickly couldn't find an item I was searching for.
This is exactly my complaint, everything would either be ridiculously underpriced to the point of worthlessness or bought out by a select few and reposted with the prices jacked way up, leading to everything being either ridiculously cheap or ridiculously overpriced, with nothing in between (and of course with no effort necessary to find anything you want). That sounds so utterly unappealing that I struggle to find appropriate words to naysay it without resorting to vulgarity.
You apparently don't realize that there is an addon that collects data and posts it to a website?
The guild kiosk system is a failure in large part because there is a workaround for cornering the market.1 -
Cheveyo✭✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »
I'm enjoy the current system, it's the reason I play.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but you wanna change the current system to a AH, its just going to destroy the economy worse. I have no problem with them taking away the biggest gold sink in the game, and making it easier for players to control certain markets. Have at it. Just don't QQ when it doesn't work out in your favor and works out in mine.
I don't care if a global auction house helps you make more money.
I want a global AH because it's much easier to get items I need at a lower cost. I wont have to travel all over the world in order to get one piece of gear or one crafting reagent.
It's the difference between going to Walmart and visiting your neighbors to ask them to borrow some sugar. With walmart, I don't have to wait for the neighbors to get home. I don't have to run around my neighborhood until I find the one neighbor that has what I need, only to find out that they'll only give it to me if I sacrifice my first born in their name.
The only thing you will find cheaper is the items that's players like me don't find it worthful to jack the price up. Any high demand item will increase in price. Guaranteed.
You maybe able to acquire them cheaply for a brief period of time, or if the players controlling the market allow the price to drop. But in time, the price will rise.
I am also, not sure what item you can't find quickly. Any item I am in the market for I can find in Mournhold, guaranteed. I have never run into a situation where I quickly couldn't find an item I was searching for.
I WILL be able to get things more cheaply on a global AH.
Because supply would outweigh demand. In the current system, the demand outweighs the supply because of how limiting the system is.3 -
Articulemort✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »
I'm enjoy the current system, it's the reason I play.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but you wanna change the current system to a AH, its just going to destroy the economy worse. I have no problem with them taking away the biggest gold sink in the game, and making it easier for players to control certain markets. Have at it. Just don't QQ when it doesn't work out in your favor and works out in mine.
I don't care if a global auction house helps you make more money.
I want a global AH because it's much easier to get items I need at a lower cost. I wont have to travel all over the world in order to get one piece of gear or one crafting reagent.
It's the difference between going to Walmart and visiting your neighbors to ask them to borrow some sugar. With walmart, I don't have to wait for the neighbors to get home. I don't have to run around my neighborhood until I find the one neighbor that has what I need, only to find out that they'll only give it to me if I sacrifice my first born in their name.
The only thing you will find cheaper is the items that's players like me don't find it worthful to jack the price up. Any high demand item will increase in price. Guaranteed.
You maybe able to acquire them cheaply for a brief period of time, or if the players controlling the market allow the price to drop. But in time, the price will rise.
I am also, not sure what item you can't find quickly. Any item I am in the market for I can find in Mournhold, guaranteed. I have never run into a situation where I quickly couldn't find an item I was searching for.
I WILL be able to get things more cheaply on a global AH.
Because supply would outweigh demand. In the current system, the demand outweighs the supply because of how limiting the system is.
Placing all items in one place allows a group of people, joined together by greed, to easily control the supply of an item. Not to mention, the current system has made a lot of players rich, which makes it even easier to control supply since they have basically unlimited resources.0 -
Lucius_Aelius✭✭✭✭Wreuntzylla wrote: »Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »
I'm enjoy the current system, it's the reason I play.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but you wanna change the current system to a AH, its just going to destroy the economy worse. I have no problem with them taking away the biggest gold sink in the game, and making it easier for players to control certain markets. Have at it. Just don't QQ when it doesn't work out in your favor and works out in mine.
I don't care if a global auction house helps you make more money.
I want a global AH because it's much easier to get items I need at a lower cost. I wont have to travel all over the world in order to get one piece of gear or one crafting reagent.
It's the difference between going to Walmart and visiting your neighbors to ask them to borrow some sugar. With walmart, I don't have to wait for the neighbors to get home. I don't have to run around my neighborhood until I find the one neighbor that has what I need, only to find out that they'll only give it to me if I sacrifice my first born in their name.
The only thing you will find cheaper is the items that's players like me don't find it worthful to jack the price up. Any high demand item will increase in price. Guaranteed.
You maybe able to acquire them cheaply for a brief period of time, or if the players controlling the market allow the price to drop. But in time, the price will rise.
I am also, not sure what item you can't find quickly. Any item I am in the market for I can find in Mournhold, guaranteed. I have never run into a situation where I quickly couldn't find an item I was searching for.
This is exactly my complaint, everything would either be ridiculously underpriced to the point of worthlessness or bought out by a select few and reposted with the prices jacked way up, leading to everything being either ridiculously cheap or ridiculously overpriced, with nothing in between (and of course with no effort necessary to find anything you want). That sounds so utterly unappealing that I struggle to find appropriate words to naysay it without resorting to vulgarity.
You apparently don't realize that there is an addon that collects data and posts it to a website?
The guild kiosk system is a failure in large part because there is a workaround for cornering the market.
Oh I'm aware of addons but I certainly don't use them (on Xbox) and don't think this in particular is something that should have add-ons for it anyway, I feel like it's cheating being able to know where anything is or how much it costs without being at the trader in person and searching, so I for one think all such addons relating to Guild Traders should be disallowed and disabled.
And if there's any such function for seeing things sold at Traders on Xbox, then that would be news to me, I was under the impression you'd need to have more access to the game data than the Xbox console allows you to have in order for any such data to be assembled online. I am certainly aware of this practice on PC but I am fairly certain no such database exists for Consoles.Edited by Lucius_Aelius on August 6, 2016 5:24PMDaggerfall Covenant - Scourge (Xbox NA) - GT: Lucius Aelius - Lord - 648CP
Lucius Aelius Aurelius - 50 Imperial Dragonknight - Centurion - Stam Tank
Lucius Aelius Valerius - 50 Imperial Templar - Lieutenant - Mag Heal/DPS
Lucius Aelius Regulus - 50 Imperial Nightblade - First Sergeant - Stam DPS
Lucius Aelius Augustus - 50 Imperial Sorcerer - Corporal - Mag DPS
Wags-His-Tail - 20 Argonian Sorcerer - Recruit - TBD
Holds-The-Line - 40 Argonian Dragonknight - Recruit - TBD
Carries-Extra-Gear - 4 Argonian Dragonknight - Recruit - TBD
Guildmaster - Wardens of the Covenant
Group Leader - xpThe Guildxp
Trader - Secret Sauce
Trader - Elite Dungeoneers1 -
Articulemort✭✭✭I think @esometric is just trying to get banned off the forums at this point. No logical argument, no coherent sentences or sentence structure.
AH will only be a benefit to the rich players, period.
Plus, the current system isn't just working, it awesome. It's the only reason I log in everyday and purchase the dlcs. Remove it, and I have no reason to play anymore. AH would just add another boring, easily "farmable" content to the game.2 -
Articulemort✭✭✭Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Wreuntzylla wrote: »Lucius_Aelius wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »Articulemort wrote: »
I'm enjoy the current system, it's the reason I play.
I'm not sure what your getting at, but you wanna change the current system to a AH, its just going to destroy the economy worse. I have no problem with them taking away the biggest gold sink in the game, and making it easier for players to control certain markets. Have at it. Just don't QQ when it doesn't work out in your favor and works out in mine.
I don't care if a global auction house helps you make more money.
I want a global AH because it's much easier to get items I need at a lower cost. I wont have to travel all over the world in order to get one piece of gear or one crafting reagent.
It's the difference between going to Walmart and visiting your neighbors to ask them to borrow some sugar. With walmart, I don't have to wait for the neighbors to get home. I don't have to run around my neighborhood until I find the one neighbor that has what I need, only to find out that they'll only give it to me if I sacrifice my first born in their name.
The only thing you will find cheaper is the items that's players like me don't find it worthful to jack the price up. Any high demand item will increase in price. Guaranteed.
You maybe able to acquire them cheaply for a brief period of time, or if the players controlling the market allow the price to drop. But in time, the price will rise.
I am also, not sure what item you can't find quickly. Any item I am in the market for I can find in Mournhold, guaranteed. I have never run into a situation where I quickly couldn't find an item I was searching for.
This is exactly my complaint, everything would either be ridiculously underpriced to the point of worthlessness or bought out by a select few and reposted with the prices jacked way up, leading to everything being either ridiculously cheap or ridiculously overpriced, with nothing in between (and of course with no effort necessary to find anything you want). That sounds so utterly unappealing that I struggle to find appropriate words to naysay it without resorting to vulgarity.
You apparently don't realize that there is an addon that collects data and posts it to a website?
The guild kiosk system is a failure in large part because there is a workaround for cornering the market.
Oh I'm aware of addons but I certainly don't use them (on Xbox) and don't think this in particular is something that should have add-ons for it anyway, I feel like it's cheating being able to know where anything is or how much it costs without being at the trader in person and searching, so I for one think all such addons relating to Guild Traders should be disallowed and disabled.
And if there's any such function for seeing things sold at Traders on Xbox, then that would be news to me, I was under the impression you'd need to have more access to the game data than the Xbox console allows you to have in order for any such data to be assembled online. I am certainly aware of this practice on PC but I am fairly certain no such database exists for Consoles.
Add-ons are only available for pc, and I agree with you, they should be a bannable offense, but that's really doesn't need to be thrown into this discussion. For another time maybe....
There was a player who made a website with the average prices on Xbox Na, but I'm not sure if he updates regularly anymore. Plus I believe they are based off Mournhold trader prices, which in fact are often lower then everywhere else due to competition between sellers in the traders there.0 -
Cheveyo✭✭✭✭Articulemort wrote: »
The only thing you will find cheaper is the items that's players like me don't find it worthful to jack the price up. Any high demand item will increase in price. Guaranteed.
You maybe able to acquire them cheaply for a brief period of time, or if the players controlling the market allow the price to drop. But in time, the price will rise.
I am also, not sure what item you can't find quickly. Any item I am in the market for I can find in Mournhold, guaranteed. I have never run into a situation where I quickly couldn't find an item I was searching for.
Placing all items in one place allows a group of people, joined together by greed, to easily control the supply of an item. Not to mention, the current system has made a lot of players rich, which makes it even easier to control supply since they have basically unlimited resources.
You keep saying these things like it's happened in some MMO before, but it hasn't.
A few players will not be controlling the market because there are too many people who are going to be supplying items. You can sit under a waterfall with a funnel and claim that you'll capture all the water in your canteen, but it wont ever happen.
Edited by Cheveyo on August 6, 2016 5:32PM1
