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An auction house is still needed?

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ScottK1994
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Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO? Being different doesn't work in online trade. Right now there's like 5% of the game pop/15% of forums who are in a guild which can successfully manipulate the clunky system. The rest are trying and often failing to have fun.

Normal successful MMOs usually have half a million players who ONLY play to trade, you lost every single one of those people with your attempt at a unique system.

This is coming from someone who loves most everything else about the game, happy member of ESO+ and preordered the console release, the game lacks in that unlike most other MMOs where in game price exploitation is a nonissue at the worst of times even slight exploits on this causes a gap of tens of millions between 1% of the players to the other 99%. Worse than real life economy!

Public opinion is tolerated, unlike when in Facebook
Edited by ScottK1994 on August 6, 2016 2:14AM
  • Katahdin
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    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO? Being different doesn't work in online trade. Right now there's like 5% of the game pop/15% of forums who are in a guild which can successfully manipulate the clunky system. The rest are trying and often failing to have fun.

    Normal successful MMOs usually have half a million players who ONLY play to trade, you lost every single one of those people with your attempt at a unique system.

    Wrong, the trader system works quite well. You just dont like it. Plenty of other people are fine with it. ESO does not have to carbon copy every other MMO.
    There are lots of people in my trade guild that like to trade as a major part of their game.
    Edited by Katahdin on August 6, 2016 2:54AM
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  • ScottK1994
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO? Being different doesn't work in online trade. Right now there's like 5% of the game pop/15% of forums who are in a guild which can successfully manipulate the clunky system. The rest are trying and often failing to have fun.

    Normal successful MMOs usually have half a million players who ONLY play to trade, you lost every single one of those people with your attempt at a unique system.

    Wrong, the trader system works quite well. You just dont like it. ESO does not have to carbon copy every other MMO.
    There are lots of people in my trade guild that like to trade as a major part of their game.

    So the majority of guilds in the game being unable to sell means it works quite well?
  • ScottK1994
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    the only possible way guild traders could work(for everyone, not just a few)is if there's only a certain amount of guilds in the game and everyone can join whichever one they like
    Edited by ScottK1994 on August 6, 2016 2:56AM
  • esometric
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO? Being different doesn't work in online trade. Right now there's like 5% of the game pop/15% of forums who are in a guild which can successfully manipulate the clunky system. The rest are trying and often failing to have fun.

    Normal successful MMOs usually have half a million players who ONLY play to trade, you lost every single one of those people with your attempt at a unique system.

    Wrong, the trader system works quite well. You just dont like it. Plenty of other people are fine with it. ESO does not have to carbon copy every other MMO.
    There are lots of people in my trade guild that like to trade as a major part of their game.

    alot of kids grinding you gold and resurses your guild its only bussiness for guild owners nothing more, solo players dont have normal oportunity to trade only chat. thats becouse people whant AH or get buy some trade kiosk and start own trade.
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    Which obviously destroys guilds. Better than a working for 1% trade system though
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    I've gave atleast 50% of what I've earned in this game to my guild in the hope that we'll have a trader. It's ridiculous that, not only do traders not work but guilds are bleeding the majority of members for their money when really it's meant to be a social hub?
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    esometric wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO? Being different doesn't work in online trade. Right now there's like 5% of the game pop/15% of forums who are in a guild which can successfully manipulate the clunky system. The rest are trying and often failing to have fun.

    Normal successful MMOs usually have half a million players who ONLY play to trade, you lost every single one of those people with your attempt at a unique system.

    Wrong, the trader system works quite well. You just dont like it. Plenty of other people are fine with it. ESO does not have to carbon copy every other MMO.
    There are lots of people in my trade guild that like to trade as a major part of their game.

    alot of kids grinding you gold and resurses your guild its only bussiness for guild owners nothing more, solo players dont have normal oportunity to trade only chat. .
    "ScottK1994 wrote:
    It's ridiculous that, not only do traders not work but guilds are bleeding the majority of members for their money when really it's meant to be a social hub?


    IF that is how your guild works then you need a new guild. That is NOT how my trade guild works and we have a high volume trader.
    Guilds are meant to be whatever the creators of the guild and officers want it to be.
    Edited by Katahdin on August 6, 2016 3:06AM
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  • ScottK1994
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    esometric wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO? Being different doesn't work in online trade. Right now there's like 5% of the game pop/15% of forums who are in a guild which can successfully manipulate the clunky system. The rest are trying and often failing to have fun.

    Normal successful MMOs usually have half a million players who ONLY play to trade, you lost every single one of those people with your attempt at a unique system.

    Wrong, the trader system works quite well. You just dont like it. Plenty of other people are fine with it. ESO does not have to carbon copy every other MMO.
    There are lots of people in my trade guild that like to trade as a major part of their game.

    alot of kids grinding you gold and resurses your guild its only bussiness for guild owners nothing more, solo players dont have normal oportunity to trade only chat. .
    "ScottK1994 wrote:
    It's ridiculous that, not only do traders not work but guilds are bleeding the majority of members for their money when really it's meant to be a social hub?


    IF that is how your guild works then you need a new guild. That is NOT how my trade guild works and we have a high volume trader.

    Well done for being part of the 1%?
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    esometric wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO? Being different doesn't work in online trade. Right now there's like 5% of the game pop/15% of forums who are in a guild which can successfully manipulate the clunky system. The rest are trying and often failing to have fun.

    Normal successful MMOs usually have half a million players who ONLY play to trade, you lost every single one of those people with your attempt at a unique system.

    Wrong, the trader system works quite well. You just dont like it. Plenty of other people are fine with it. ESO does not have to carbon copy every other MMO.
    There are lots of people in my trade guild that like to trade as a major part of their game.

    alot of kids grinding you gold and resurses your guild its only bussiness for guild owners nothing more, solo players dont have normal oportunity to trade only chat. .

    IF that is how your guild works then you need a new guild. That is NOT how my trade guild works and we have a high volume trader.

    thats how all guilds work. not need your guild stores for nothing. and we understand if zen do other trade system for solo players your guilds lost everithing and thats becouse you cry. guild its another tool for make more easy and legal to cheat with people in game.
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    This has been discussed ad nausium. ZoS has stated they will not change to an AH. If you cant deal with it, find another game.
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    This has been discussed ad nausium. ZoS has stated they will not change to an AH. If you cant deal with it, find another game.

    Blizzard said they would never sell in game items for money. They said they would never offer a levelled character for money.
    ZoS isn't God
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    Katahdin wrote: »
    This has been discussed ad nausium. ZoS has stated they will not change to an AH. If you cant deal with it, find another game.

    we pay money like and your guild chilldren garden so we have write to ask another system for solo playters and it will be in future you whant or not whant and will be fun then your guild will be nothing. And trade system not only AH.
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    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Katahdin wrote: »
    This has been discussed ad nausium. ZoS has stated they will not change to an AH. If you cant deal with it, find another game.

    Blizzard said they would never sell in game items for money. They said they would never offer a levelled character for money.
    ZoS isn't God

    And why exactly would you use Blizzard's methods as an argument where they are not present at all?
    Edited by UltimaJoe777 on August 6, 2016 3:23AM
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  • ScottK1994
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    As in hundreds of millions of dollars every year. And well don't keep us in suspense give us a list of these successful MMOs without AH
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    What the hell else is a successful game? Happy vibes? Lol
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    must be option to get own shop not only guild i dont need and will never go to any guild for me its chilldren garden with chilldren boss rules, im whant my stuff sell normal without chat and without pay taxes for kids in they crapguilds
  • katnip
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    I always liked the system, because it was something to work together as a guild for(we had time's we never had a trader too), which is something this game doesnt have much of. Felt pretty awesome to see our name and tabard represented in elden root, rawl'ka, and belkarth. Even if only for a week.
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    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    As in hundreds of millions of dollars every year. And well don't keep us in suspense give us a list of these successful MMOs without AH

    So the half a million players that left because of no ah, will net eso hundreds of millions of dollars?
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    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    As in hundreds of millions of dollars every year. And well don't keep us in suspense give us a list of these successful MMOs without AH

    If that is your opinion of a successful MMO then I'd say that's pretty much every MMO that lasted a good few years or so at least, and there are SO many of those... As for what DIDN'T have an auction house well...

    Runescape didn't.
    Helbreath didn't.
    Aranock Online didn't.
    Redstone didn't.

    My memory is fuzzy so I cannot recall everything about the various MMOs I have played including what ones I HAVE played but I'm quite certain that those did not at the very least.
    Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
    Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy
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    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    As in hundreds of millions of dollars every year. And well don't keep us in suspense give us a list of these successful MMOs without AH

    So the half a million players that left because of no ah, will net eso hundreds of millions of dollars?

    More like didn't join? People interested in playing with crafting/markets are obviously going to research the most intensive systems
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    this trading sytstem is worst ever, like this was only in soviet union. first mmo there solo player dnt have trade system.
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    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    As in hundreds of millions of dollars every year. And well don't keep us in suspense give us a list of these successful MMOs without AH

    So the half a million players that left because of no ah, will net eso hundreds of millions of dollars?

    More like didn't join? People interested in playing with crafting/markets are obviously going to research the most intensive systems

    So you think if those half a million had joined, it would equal hundreds of millions of dollars?
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    esometric wrote: »
    this trading sytstem is worst ever, like this was only in soviet union. first mmo there solo player dnt have trade system.

    You realize trade system and player market system are 2 different types of trading right? If you don't like the player market system then use chatting in crowds to see if anyone is selling what you seek and then use good old fashioned direct trading.
    Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
    Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy
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    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    As in hundreds of millions of dollars every year. And well don't keep us in suspense give us a list of these successful MMOs without AH

    So the half a million players that left because of no ah, will net eso hundreds of millions of dollars?

    More like didn't join? People interested in playing with crafting/markets are obviously going to research the most intensive systems

    So you think if those half a million had joined, it would equal hundreds of millions of dollars?

    all this companys work only for one. only for MONEY.
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    esometric wrote: »
    this trading sytstem is worst ever, like this was only in soviet union. first mmo there solo player dnt have trade system.

    You realize trade system and player market system are 2 different types of trading right? If you don't like the player market system then use chatting in crowds to see if anyone is selling what you seek and then use good old fashioned direct trading.

    you realize that not all people so stupid that whant pay taxes for people who press 2 buttons and create guild in game ???
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    esometric wrote: »
    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    As in hundreds of millions of dollars every year. And well don't keep us in suspense give us a list of these successful MMOs without AH

    So the half a million players that left because of no ah, will net eso hundreds of millions of dollars?

    More like didn't join? People interested in playing with crafting/markets are obviously going to research the most intensive systems

    So you think if those half a million had joined, it would equal hundreds of millions of dollars?

    all this companys work only for one. only for MONEY.

    Ok... I'm not sure where you are going with this.... But woo money!
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    And no. Successful MMOs are very limited. WoW sucked up all the success 11 years ago and it spread to very few PC games based on either hardware or content. Then console got powerful enough and the only two successful ones for those are this and FFXiV(funny cos it's original was a fail)Wa
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    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    As in hundreds of millions of dollars every year. And well don't keep us in suspense give us a list of these successful MMOs without AH

    So the half a million players that left because of no ah, will net eso hundreds of millions of dollars?

    More like didn't join? People interested in playing with crafting/markets are obviously going to research the most intensive systems

    So you think if those half a million had joined, it would equal hundreds of millions of dollars?

    Half a million *40 for purchase, the continued purchase of all DLC, the benefits of ESO plus?
    Yes of course hundreds of millions of dollars lol? Do you not understand math?
    Edited by ScottK1994 on August 6, 2016 3:43AM
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    esometric wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    esometric wrote: »
    this trading sytstem is worst ever, like this was only in soviet union. first mmo there solo player dnt have trade system.

    You realize trade system and player market system are 2 different types of trading right? If you don't like the player market system then use chatting in crowds to see if anyone is selling what you seek and then use good old fashioned direct trading.

    you realize that not all people so stupid that whant pay taxes for people who press 2 buttons and create guild in game ???

    Of course. I am one of those people that does not wish to be part of a Trading Guild and as a result don't sell a single thing in-game. Text chat might change that though... However, I have no beef with running around Tamriel checking Guild Traders when I seek something.
    Guildmaster of Power With Numbers in PS4 NA Server's Aldmeri Dominion.
    Proud Founder of the Yaysay cult! DOWN WITH THE NAYSAY CULT!! #ToxicRemedy
  • esometric
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    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    esometric wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    esometric wrote: »
    this trading sytstem is worst ever, like this was only in soviet union. first mmo there solo player dnt have trade system.

    You realize trade system and player market system are 2 different types of trading right? If you don't like the player market system then use chatting in crowds to see if anyone is selling what you seek and then use good old fashioned direct trading.

    you realize that not all people so stupid that whant pay taxes for people who press 2 buttons and create guild in game ???

    Of course. I am one of those people that does not wish to be part of a Trading Guild and as a result don't sell a single thing in-game. Text chat might change that though... However, I have no beef with running around Tamriel checking Guild Traders when I seek something.

    no just need make oportunity to make solo kiosk in game then will see how smart guild shops with they taxes will be.
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    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    And no. Successful MMOs are very limited. WoW sucked up all the success 11 years ago and it spread to Guild Wa
    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    UltimaJoe777 wrote: »
    ScottK1994 wrote: »
    Guild traders are a failed concept. Where is the AH which is standard for every successful MMO?

    That's funny... I've played many an MMO that were successful in their own way that DIDN'T have one. Also what exactly is considered "successful"?

    Honestly I'm glad this game has no auction house. Makes it easier to get what I need :) Searching various locations around Tamriel > Everyone camping the same place and swiping everything before you get a shot at it.

    As in hundreds of millions of dollars every year. And well don't keep us in suspense give us a list of these successful MMOs without AH

    So the half a million players that left because of no ah, will net eso hundreds of millions of dollars?

    More like didn't join? People interested in playing with crafting/markets are obviously going to research the most intensive systems

    So you think if those half a million had joined, it would equal hundreds of millions of dollars?

    Half a million *40 for purchase, the continued purchase of all DLC, the benefits of ESO plus?
    Yes of course hundreds of millions of dollars lol? Do you not understand math?

    I do. Half a million people buying the game for 69.99 is 34 million dollars. It would take them some time to get to the hundreds of millions of dollars you claim. And while I'm at it, why exactly would they buy all the dlcs if they paying for eso plus.

    So let's do maths. So even if all 500k of your imaginary ah army bought the game at 69.99 and paid for a year of eso plus we are somewhere around 110million. Still not hundreds of millions.

    And we are assuming you actually have some idea what you are talking about with your half a million people don't play because of the ah. Of course you don't. Even if you did, you would have no way of knowing what these people would spend in game. But I was entertained by your Imaginary friends and your maths.
    Edited by vyndral13preub18_ESO on August 6, 2016 3:53AM
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