Time for things to change. And I don't mean in-game...

UltimaJoe777

I make a thread for civil discussion with one of the developers to get to know him as a player and it gets closed because some toxic forum users had to go and spread their poison through its veins. Enough is enough, this toxicity needs to be cleansed once and for all. I say if people want to be toxic and cannot help but ruin threads here then don't just lock the innocent threads, ban the troublemakers! Or at the very least delete their posts and give them warnings. Curing the disease rather than quarantining all the infected threads is what needs to be done now. Furthermore all you toxic people (you know who you are) can certainly be more mature and stop getting positive threads closed with your hatred and uncivility just because you don't approve of how Zenimax does things or is doing things, and you certainly don't have to be here doing nothing but causing trouble all the time.

At any rate I am officially starting a proactive act here on these forums to spread positivty around and I welcome anyone willing to do it too! Let's fight the cancer here and spread civility and positive reinforcement throughout these forums! Down with the naysay cult!!

C0wrex

I agree wholeheartedly! Less toxic! More rainbows! ))

Jokes aside, I really do think it would do the community some good.

I mean.... holy crap, you see people complaining about nearly everything nowadays! There was one that complained about how Orcs don't sound like Orcs. Or about how jumping in ESO works.

I'll start eating a shoe if I see a post that complains about the sky not being blue enough.

OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Khajiit was very much enjoying hearing nice responses from a Dev. For too long the forums have asked whether they play their own game, and then when people get to question one in a positive fashion and get meaningful responses that were not simply "we're working on it," people ruin it.

This one would like to see a new version of that thread, where the negative posts can be removed so that we can have conversation. Also, on a selfish note this one may be able to get an answer to the questions almost keeping Khajiit awake at night.

UltimaJoe777

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Khajiit was very much enjoying hearing nice responses from a Dev. For too long the forums have asked whether they play their own game, and then when people get to question one in a positive fashion and get meaningful responses that were not simply "we're working on it," people ruin it.

This one would like to see a new version of that thread, where the negative posts can be removed so that we can have conversation. Also, on a selfish note this one may be able to get an answer to the questions almost keeping Khajiit awake at night.

Don't really need a new one, just the negative posts removed and the thread unlocked. Still though all it took for it to get locked was a few toxic people and several others responding to it... The non-toxic people will just need to ignore the toxicity from now on and not feed it in order to promote positivity.

Tandor

I agree entirely with the OP.

Didn't ZOS say a while back that they were going to (a) get more of a dev presence here and (b) be much more strict about non-constructive posting? Nothing seems to have come of that, which is a shame. You'll never get the first part without the second, and I'm sure the majority of the community would welcome both. Time for a new initiative, ZOS!

Brrrofski

Thing is, it's hard to stay positive when a thread like that get's instant responses from multiple devs, yet a post about a broken skill (not unbalanced, doesn't work) get's no responses.

[snip]
[edited for bashing]

SantieClaws

Khajiit spent the very contended weekend in Tamriel. There was fishing, training of the apprentice Spiny Tim, drinking in the Rosy Lion, drunken dancing outside of The Rosy Lion and falling asleep on the pavement outside of The Rosy Lion.

But this one wishes to complain about the blue fish in Glenumbra - they will not be caught by this one! Khajiit tries the worms, she tries the tipping of sugar in the water, she tries the zombie bits she finds nearby, this one even tries fishing with others - khajiit thinks one of them might even have been an elf. The fish they are unfair and mean to this one.

So mean are the fish that khajiit could throw the ball of yarn ... if khajiit could find the yarn to throw!

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Tandor

Brrrofski wrote: »

Thing is, it's hard to stay positive when a thread like that get's instant responses from multiple devs, yet a post about a broken skill (not unbalanced, doesn't work) get's no responses.

[snip]

Thanks for putting up a post that shows exactly what we're talking about.

Calling individual developers liars serves absolutely no purpose other than to ensure that those developers will never want to reply to any posts here because of the personal insults they'll have to put up with if they do. It's no wonder you don't get the answers you're looking for on e.g. broken skills.

There's nothing wrong with posting criticisms, but keep them polite and constructive. That's the way to generate a two-way discussion rather than a one-way rant.

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OneKhajiitCrimeWave

Criticism will only work when it is constructive. Posting things such as "The game is **** and you need to fix everything 5 minutes ago" is not likely to get the dev's motivated to respond so you can through more abuse."

Also, having a good rapport with them is a positive first step. Khajiit would like to think that if the attitude on the forums changed, then the Greenie's may want to respond more.

Garldeen

I think people would be far happier with threads like that if the dev people replied to the numerous other threads. Unhappy people jumped into that thread simply because it was the only one getting any dev input. If questions were being answered elsewhere then there would be no issues with friendly discussions such as that.

We need one thread where people can have a friendly chat about gameplay and one where devs answer issues. That will make both sets of people happy, unfortunately, it will not happen. As a paying customer, I would rather have a working game than know what a dev's fav ice cream is. I'm here to try and play a game not become best friends with the man who works on it

ItsGlaive

While the language and methods of some of the recent examples are not the best approach, I'd say the frustration is entirely justified.

Think about it - more often than not, users ask - no beg - for a proper response to an issue. Sometimes for weeks or months with literally no response or acknowledgement whatsoever. If people are lucky a 'Z' icon will appear on a hot thread, so we click it excitedly only to discover it's a generic "we've cleaned up the thread guys" response which adds nothing to the conversation.

Then suddenly someone asks a dev "what class do you play?" and out of the blue two dozen responses on very shallow and/or generic questions start flooding the forums. And all the while these other threads continue to get ignored and stonewalled - it's a slap in the face for some players.

Again the flaming is not the right approach, but I can't say I don't understand why some people flip out over this. For those with genuine concerns or issues who are already feeling frustrated due to the wall of silence, this just becomes the straw that for many, breaks the camel's back.

For a recent example, these threads here, which are completely ignored day in and day out:

• https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/258827/eta-on-broken-movement-speed-has-zos-even-acknowledged-it/
• https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en-GB/discussion/252017/run-speed-reduced-edit-confirmed-bug/

anitajoneb17_ESO

While I totally agree with @UltimaJoe777 's statement and suggestion, I wouldn't mourn too much over the "Rich Lambert" thread. He wouldn't have had time to answer to us on a regular basis anyway. These things are more fun when they come unexpectedly and spontaneously. Making it an established habit would probably kill its "charm".

Besides, I'm sure @ZOS_RichLambert will find a way to chime in whenever he feels like it, in a suitable way - there are a lot of toxic threads here but also a fair share of decent ones.

That said, it's always good to promote positiveness in here...

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit spent the very contended weekend in Tamriel. There was fishing, training of the apprentice Spiny Tim, drinking in the Rosy Lion, drunken dancing outside of The Rosy Lion and falling asleep on the pavement outside of The Rosy Lion.

But this one wishes to complain about the blue fish in Glenumbra - they will not be caught by this one! Khajiit tries the worms, she tries the tipping of sugar in the water, she tries the zombie bits she finds nearby, this one even tries fishing with others - khajiit thinks one of them might even have been an elf. The fish they are unfair and mean to this one.

So mean are the fish that khajiit could throw the ball of yarn ... if khajiit could find the yarn to throw!

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

@SantieClaws : I am sorry to have to inform you that your reputation has gotten as far as Glenumbra's waters. People might be arrogant enough to believe they'll protect their own pockets from you, but the fish aren't silly. They knew that you... like them very much. They got scared.
I didn't eat the fish I fished. I sold them to a very nice khajiit vendor in Glenumbra who guaranteed them lifelong happiness in a very nice aquarium...
That's why now fish like to be fished by me...

InvitationNotFound

so you don't want people to ask questions that are a bit controversial?

you don't want people to criticize things? you know criticism isn't anything bad and without it nothing will ever change...

you prefer when people only write posts if they have the same opinion as you because everything else would be toxic, off topic or whatever?

if one of your beloved devs gives a pretty bad (you may choose a more appropriate word here) answer you want people to shut up, because you consider it toxic, right? they can't express their opinion because you don't like it and your dev might get offended?

go spread your positivity but i'm sorry, all i see here is a ZOS white knight who wants to censor the forum respectively the opinion of other forum members because they have a different opinion about your beloved game.

Leandor

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Besides, I'm sure @ZOS_RichLambert will find a way to chime in whenever he feels like it, in a suitable way - there are a lot of toxic threads here but also a fair share of decent ones.

The problem is that every thread, that starts out and stays positive, will turn toxic as soon as one of the devs starts posting in them.

While I hate the fact that it is like this, I do have full understanding that apart from those who have to (Mods and Community Managers), no dev is posting here.

You find more response from them on reddit, since that is an externally moderated forum with very sharp moderation and a community based downrating system. As astonishing as it may sound, over there, more constructive discussion is possible than here, simply for the fact that here, ZOS will be judged for moderating things that are far from acceptable elsewhere.

It's the community. You all here (myself included - have done atrocious posts as well) are at sole fault for the state of communication. Except @SantieClaws (am I making my forum crush on her posts too obvious?).

ku5h

Tandor wrote: »

Brrrofski wrote: »

Thing is, it's hard to stay positive when a thread like that get's instant responses from multiple devs, yet a post about a broken skill (not unbalanced, doesn't work) get's no responses.

[snip]

Thanks for putting up a post that shows exactly what we're talking about.

Calling individual developers liars serves absolutely no purpose other than to ensure that those developers will never want to reply to any posts here because of the personal insults they'll have to put up with if they do. It's no wonder you don't get the answers you're looking for on e.g. broken skills.

There's nothing wrong with posting criticisms, but keep them polite and constructive. That's the way to generate a two-way discussion rather than a one-way rant.

I do belive this forum is extremely toxic, but i also belive its that way in biggest part because of ZoS. Why do you think ppl talk bad stuff, because they'r bad ppl? No. Its simply because ZoS just ignore what ever question they dont like. Ppl report bugs on day 1 of PTS, make multiple treads about it, it goes live for over a month, ppl make more treads about it but ZoS just simply ignores it like it doesnt exist (im talking game breaking bugs in Cyro). But hey ask them what they had for breakfast and you'll get a mini novel from them.
Thank god i didnt buy wrothgar DLC. Ppl who did buy it bought a broken product that should never go on sale in that state. Just imagine you buy, lets say an i-pad. You use it for 2 weeks and then it breaks down completely. You call the store, they ignore you for months. After a while they actually give you a response, which sounds like: " Oh yea that line of i-pads are broken, just dont use it and everything will be good." Now tell me, would you be salty if that happened to you?

Bottom line forum is toxic because of lack of ZoS communication on important things that are happening in this game, nothing else...
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JamilaRaj

OneKhajiitCrimeWave wrote: »

Criticism will only work when it is constructive. Posting things such as "The game is **** and you need to fix everything 5 minutes ago" is not likely to get the dev's motivated to respond so you can through more abuse."

But I am toxic just for the hell of it, I do not really care if they fix anything at all anymore.

Tandor

Leandor wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Besides, I'm sure @ZOS_RichLambert will find a way to chime in whenever he feels like it, in a suitable way - there are a lot of toxic threads here but also a fair share of decent ones.

The problem is that every thread, that starts out and stays positive, will turn toxic as soon as one of the devs starts posting in them.

While I hate the fact that it is like this, I do have full understanding that apart from those who have to (Mods and Community Managers), no dev is posting here.

Your second point is a natural consequence of your first point, unfortunately.

Leandor

Tandor wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

anitajoneb17_ESO wrote: »

Besides, I'm sure @ZOS_RichLambert will find a way to chime in whenever he feels like it, in a suitable way - there are a lot of toxic threads here but also a fair share of decent ones.

The problem is that every thread, that starts out and stays positive, will turn toxic as soon as one of the devs starts posting in them.

While I hate the fact that it is like this, I do have full understanding that apart from those who have to (Mods and Community Managers), no dev is posting here.

Your second point is a natural consequence of your first point, unfortunately.

I meant it as one point

ManwithBeard9

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

so you don't want people to ask questions that are a bit controversial?

you don't want people to criticize things? you know criticism isn't anything bad and without it nothing will ever change...

you prefer when people only write posts if they have the same opinion as you because everything else would be toxic, off topic or whatever?

if one of your beloved devs gives a pretty bad (you may choose a more appropriate word here) answer you want people to shut up, because you consider it toxic, right? they can't express their opinion because you don't like it and your dev might get offended?

go spread your positivity but i'm sorry, all i see here is a ZOS white knight who wants to censor the forum respectively the opinion of other forum members because they have a different opinion about your beloved game.

The point is when people take any thread on the forums and derail it into a QQfest [snip] The "Rich Lambert" thread was just casual conversations between people playing the game, one happened to be a Dev. So what happened? People came in and derailed the thread. If you have a problem with something in game, post it in the appropriate sub-forum, use and existing thread, or create a new one. There have been more than enough constructive threads on things as simple as what certain styles look like, to major threads about AOE caps. [snip]

[edited for baiting]

Cronopoly

Face it, It's really asking too much from this diverse anonymous crowd. However I would think a constructive No Comment approach might serve us better. Just listing the perceived problems by class or by Area

Dungeon:
Sanctum Ophidian:
DEL00001: 06/15/16 - Door to Final boss sometimes locks me out. Hypothetical example.

Dragon Knight:
QUE00001: 07/05/16 - Extended Chains doesn't fire in PVP. Hypothetical example
QUE00002:

A Player managed list on the forums with voted priority of concern might at least highlight what we think is the most important. I'd suggest recreating the list per class by Month in the Title.

Basically we know the Devs already have a type of bug list internally.

Also talking to something that was already done and a lesson learned in another MMO, we had class representatives at one time in Dark Age of Camelot.They would take player concerns and talk to Devs about them and perceived priorities to find some common ground and many times we got direct feedback from engine programmers. That said, however the masses would just flame the the class Reps constantly making their lives miserable.

And calling out the Zos content creators for creating Crown Store items does not help at all. 3D Modelers and Texture Artists have absolutely nothing to do with fixing game logic bugs in the engine. So please let up on that topic. It's just ignorant.

P.S. Talking Real Nerfs:

On a lighter side of things, no one here has faced a nerf like we got in SWG. Biggest Nerf in the history of MMO's.
The Creature Handler class was removed from the game. Character erased. You logged on to an empty character slot lol. It was done as an attempt to create a class base like WoW. Yes of course it failed spectacularly.
Warning lol, be careful what you ask for.

InvitationNotFound

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

so you don't want people to ask questions that are a bit controversial?

you don't want people to criticize things? you know criticism isn't anything bad and without it nothing will ever change...

you prefer when people only write posts if they have the same opinion as you because everything else would be toxic, off topic or whatever?

if one of your beloved devs gives a pretty bad (you may choose a more appropriate word here) answer you want people to shut up, because you consider it toxic, right? they can't express their opinion because you don't like it and your dev might get offended?

go spread your positivity but i'm sorry, all i see here is a ZOS white knight who wants to censor the forum respectively the opinion of other forum members because they have a different opinion about your beloved game.

The point is when people take any thread on the forums and derail it into a QQfest [snip]. The "Rich Lambert" thread was just casual conversations between people playing the game, one happened to be a Dev. So what happened? People came in and derailed the thread. If you have a problem with something in game, post it in the appropriate sub-forum, use and existing thread, or create a new one. There have been more than enough constructive threads on things as simple as what certain styles look like, to major threads about AOE caps. [snip]

i am aware of the thread and its content. i have asked a few controversial questions (unanswered) myself and commented on Rich's great answer (which has been deleted btw...). Not that toxic at all, just my opinion about his answer (you can ask things but not comment about his answeres? makes sense, right.) and a simple question about how he enjoys pvp in its current state (unanswered).

there are always different opinions and different ways of how to express them. making the forum a care bare land won't improve / change anything.

and btw. posts are already getting deleted if they are disliked by ZOS (for whatever reason - including legit reasons as well :P ). so going for even more restrictions, deleted posts and censorship would be a bad joke and wouldn't help the community or the game at all.

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ku5h

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

so you don't want people to ask questions that are a bit controversial?

you don't want people to criticize things? you know criticism isn't anything bad and without it nothing will ever change...

you prefer when people only write posts if they have the same opinion as you because everything else would be toxic, off topic or whatever?

if one of your beloved devs gives a pretty bad (you may choose a more appropriate word here) answer you want people to shut up, because you consider it toxic, right? they can't express their opinion because you don't like it and your dev might get offended?

go spread your positivity but i'm sorry, all i see here is a ZOS white knight who wants to censor the forum respectively the opinion of other forum members because they have a different opinion about your beloved game.

The point is when people take any thread on the forums and derail it into a QQfest [snip] The "Rich Lambert" thread was just casual conversations between people playing the game, one happened to be a Dev. So what happened? People came in and derailed the thread. If you have a problem with something in game, post it in the appropriate sub-forum, use and existing thread, or create a new one. There have been more than enough constructive threads on things as simple as what certain styles look like, to major threads about AOE caps. [snip]

That is the exact reason forum is toxic, exactly that. He will come and have casual talk with players about whatever, whats his dogs name, while at the same time there is AoE cap tread with 100 pages and not a single word from any of devs. That's why ppl come to "casual" treads with their problems, coz you can see devs comment only on this tipe of treads and completely ignore "problem" treads. So is that normal to you?

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imnotanother

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."

That adage applies in this situation.

SantieClaws

Khajiit she understands the frustration at some aspects of life in Tamriel.

However a phrase comes to mind - biting off the nose to spite the face. Or the tail even.

If all the devs see when they come here is sharp claws and the snarling teeth then they will not come here. No one wants to be somewhere that is hostile and uncomfortable yes?

They cannot be unaware that there are issues and this one is sure they are doing the best they can to address as many of these as possible - however the world is not perfect, ZOS is not perfect, no business is perfect - there is not an infinite amount of time and an infinite number of people to do all that must be done.

Things do change, life in Tamriel is so much better now than when this one was just a kitten. Progress is made. It may not always be at the speed you wish though. This is especially the case with console Tamriel because of the external approval that all changes must go through.

So if we can hold in our frustrations a bit or express them without the need for the personal attacks always then we will gradually build a better community that the devs they feel more comfortable participating in.

That was what the other discussion was a starting point for. Put the comfy cushions in the room and start with the small talk. Then later perhaps if they feel they will not be ripped to shreds always then the possibility for discussion on the more difficult issues could be opened?

Starting with that drunk at The Rosy Lion who always gets in the way of this one. This one has never seen him buy his own drink so why is he still there? Oh it is fine to throw Santie out on the pavement yes but not the Breton!

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

Cazzy

The ultimate toxic bomb diffusal: read everything in Morgan Freeman's voice.

wenchmore420b14_ESO

Thank you @UltimaJoe777 for the Rich Lambert thread. I loved it up till, as you say, a few had to ruin it. And thank you for this one. Now, I would like to make a few points of my own.
1. How would any of you like a job where you go to work every day and have the entire work place tell you how horrible you are and how you suck at your job and even blame you for things that aren't your fault, or even real? That's how I see being a dev would be like. Every one of the "Toxic Posters" think everyone is having the problems/bugs they are and the whole game is broke. Not true.
Example: I go to Wrothgar 2-3 times a day. I have a group of guildies who run 20+ ppl WB groups. Have no problems.
"Quests are broken and it makes game unplayable!", yet I did those same quests on 3 toons, no problem. "Game is broken, It's unplayable!". I play every day with no issues. I am sorry for the people who do have problems, but it is not happening to everyone, or even a majority of players (IMO).
Yes, there is lag in PvP. Yes, I have a bugged boss in a delv I cant complete. Yes, there are issues, but name a game that doesn't. People screamed at Zos on Xbox about account issues when it was MSoft's fault. But they bad mouth Zos anyway. I see so many hate threads about things that aren't even Zos's fault and/or it;s on the players end to start with.
I am all for constructive discussion, but agree with OP. Let us have positive post's without the trolling, negative posts and insults to players and devs. They have improved the game SO much since launch! (PC Launch). 1st open beta, I was stuck in Bleakrock Isle the whole time! Think Cyrodil is bad, you must have forgotten Wabbajack at launch! lol!
So lets all play nice! We won't be positive in your complaint threads, and don't be mean in our "Nice"threads.
And a 1,000 Huzzahs to @ZOS_MattFiror , @ZOS_RichLambert , @Zos_EricWroble, @ZOS_GinaBruno , @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ,
and ALL the others at Zos for their hard work and a truely amazing game that 100,000's, (Millions?) love and enjoy playing every day!
There! My 2 Septims...
@UltimaJoe777 , I hope you can get another "Dev Thread" started some day. It really was a great thing.

InvitationNotFound

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit she understands the frustration at some aspects of life in Tamriel.

However a phrase comes to mind - biting off the nose to spite the face. Or the tail even.

If all the devs see when they come here is sharp claws and the snarling teeth then they will not come here. No one wants to be somewhere that is hostile and uncomfortable yes?

They cannot be unaware that there are issues and this one is sure they are doing the best they can to address as many of these as possible - however the world is not perfect, ZOS is not perfect, no business is perfect - there is not an infinite amount of time and an infinite number of people to do all that must be done.

Things do change, life in Tamriel is so much better now than when this one was just a kitten. Progress is made. It may not always be at the speed you wish though. This is especially the case with console Tamriel because of the external approval that all changes must go through.

So if we can hold in our frustrations a bit or express them without the need for the personal attacks always then we will gradually build a better community that the devs they feel more comfortable participating in.

That was what the other discussion was a starting point for. Put the comfy cushions in the room and start with the small talk. Then later perhaps if they feel they will not be ripped to shreds always then the possibility for discussion on the more difficult issues could be opened?

Starting with that drunk at The Rosy Lion who always gets in the way of this one. This one has never seen him buy his own drink so why is he still there? Oh it is fine to throw Santie out on the pavement yes but not the Breton!

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

first time you're not getting an "awesome";)
there's a lot of things that are wrong with what you wrote. at least in my opinion.

anyway, i guess we're drifting away. the thread was about toxicity and banning / deleting anything that doesn't please the OP and not on how to get a better contact to the devs, which in the end of the day wouldn't make any difference anyway (besides of that i don't see a reason to personally attack a dev. I mean there is one who seems completely clueless and i can understand all the insults and hatred toward that guy, but to be honest... it's his own fault (and nope, we're not talking about Rich here)).

there are already forum moderators taking care of things. everything more than that would be simple censorship (it already feels like that to a certain degree) as everything that could be considered criticism (which again, isn't something bad) could be removed and people could be "silenced". that would be even worse for the community than a "bad relationship" to anyone at ZOS.

edit: damn you! damn you, khajiit. here's your awesome. >_<

SantieClaws

You think the Breton at The Rosy Lion is just fine!?

Well khajiit disagrees with you on this - most certainly she does!

And now it is the nap time.

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

frethopper

I support the ends but not the means, sorry. A less toxic community? Yes please! Removing unhelpful posts? NO! Absolutely not, sorry. That's crossed the line into censorship and I hope ZOS are aware of how dangerous that territory is.

There isn't going to be a magic wand to wave to improve matters, but the internet has taught us hard lessons about what the best approach is. Basic moderation is a must, otherwise freedom of speech isn't served. Beyond that, content that isn't helpful, doesn't add anything, or is downright disagreeable should have some sort of spotlight shined upon it. Simply delete it and you infuriate the poster, and sweep the issue under the carpet instead of addressing it. OK, I was heading off into writing War and Peace there, so I'm gonna stop now and let others kick what I've said around for a bit.

AmberLaTerra

I could not agree with this thread more.

Not only is it the toxicity in great threads like your thread which Rich I was enjoying reading every couple hours to see the new back and forth, but also the toxic spam of the same complaints and the same dead horses being beaten over and over in multiple threads taking the ones that are actually constructive off of the first page.

There are so many here on the forums who are known to be trolls only making thread after thread to start arguments and get away with it all the time, or come in to threads that are trying to be constructive to derail them completely off topic. It needs to end.

One way to star handling this would be through player mods who could remove those toxic posts as I at one suggested in the sticky about promoting constructive discussion on the forums, that however would be very difficult to implement in how to choose the proper players and players who would commit the time needed to do so.

PS:

SantieClaws wrote: »

Khajiit spent the very contended weekend in Tamriel. There was fishing, training of the apprentice Spiny Tim, drinking in the Rosy Lion, drunken dancing outside of The Rosy Lion and falling asleep on the pavement outside of The Rosy Lion.

But this one wishes to complain about the blue fish in Glenumbra - they will not be caught by this one! Khajiit tries the worms, she tries the tipping of sugar in the water, she tries the zombie bits she finds nearby, this one even tries fishing with others - khajiit thinks one of them might even have been an elf. The fish they are unfair and mean to this one.

So mean are the fish that khajiit could throw the ball of yarn ... if khajiit could find the yarn to throw!

Yours with paws
Santie Claws

I have faith in you my favorite forum Khajiit. If I was on the EU server I would come to help you until you got all your fish, but sadly I am on the NA server. I just finished my first master angler a couple days ago and in my case it was the fish in the Dominion lands that seemed to hide from me forever. There always a few zones where that blue hides greatly, but I know you will get it.

In the mean time I offer to share some of my large stock of fish with you for you to get your strength back and defeat those nasty blue fish that hide from you.

kylewwefan

Sometimes, I write things out like I would say them in person but something gets lost in translation and it gets taken the wrong way.....a lot of times this happens actually. Need to work on them writing skills I guess.