Cyrodiil, Cheating/Exploiting, & You

pogopwns_ESO

Crown wrote: »

@pogopwns_ESO The issue with power bash has been around since 1.4 or so. You can perma-cc a player if you time things right.

yeah @Crown it's becoming more of a problem with more players using sword and board in small groups to accommodate the new meta, just to CC lock people. I've sat in CCs for 3-5+ seconds, with 20k+ stam, spamming break free, and just slowly get killed cause I can't break it.

Clarkieson

Can someone @ZOS please just take 5 minutes to look at what is going on in my the ps4 eu thornblade server. A blue is in god mode, unkillable, infinite everything, murdering everyone.

I have submitted a ticket but this is the most obvious case of cheating your ever gonna see

Have a laugh lol

Some_Guy

Clarkieson wrote: »

Can someone @ZOS please just take 5 minutes to look at what is going on in my the ps4 eu thornblade server. A blue is in god mode, unkillable, infinite everything, murdering everyone.

I have submitted a ticket but this is the most obvious case of cheating your ever gonna see

Have a laugh lol

Working as intended, will address in the next patch. Good luck. They like to take their time "investigating".

Rohamad_Ali

Crown wrote: »

@pogopwns_ESO The issue with power bash has been around since 1.4 or so. You can perma-cc a player if you time things right.

Yes it's been bugged for years and every year we get a new thread but no fix .

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/244434/reverberating-bash/p1

Tavore1138

Clarkieson wrote: »

Can someone @ZOS please just take 5 minutes to look at what is going on in my the ps4 eu thornblade server. A blue is in god mode, unkillable, infinite everything, murdering everyone.

I have submitted a ticket but this is the most obvious case of cheating your ever gonna see

Have a laugh lol

If ZoS cared it would be fixed - in ebony pc eu we have an ep emp and group who exploit gap closers by default, we video and report to ZOS and they simply,ignore - if you expect ZOS to enforce their own rules you might as well be dreaming.

DeclaredJester

I can confirm the god mode thing. On Xb1 NA. Except this guy was too weak to murder everyone and he wasn't blue.

Kymee

At this point until the grouping bug is fixed I will not be doing any pvp in a game I bought because of its large scale pvp. When that is fixed I will cut my pvp time down to a couple of hours a day until something is done about the cheating and exploiting. The couple of hours I will pvp is to support my guild and friends.

When they quit playing or move on so will I. I have had enough. I believe you ought to hire back people who develop pvp and are interested in actually playing out in Cyrodill. Be visible out in the game, I have never seen a person in charge of developing out in pvp,

This company should be able to maintain a strong bottom line and still be strong and quit caving in to those that are not playing correctly.

Kibbles (Not a cheater, hacker or exploiter)

kevlarto_ESO

Kymee wrote: »

At this point until the grouping bug is fixed I will not be doing any pvp in a game I bought because of its large scale pvp. When that is fixed I will cut my pvp time down to a couple of hours a day until something is done about the cheating and exploiting. The couple of hours I will pvp is to support my guild and friends.

When they quit playing or move on so will I. I have had enough. I believe you ought to hire back people who develop pvp and are interested in actually playing out in Cyrodill. Be visible out in the game, I have never seen a person in charge of developing out in pvp,

This company should be able to maintain a strong bottom line and still be strong and quit caving in to those that are not playing correctly.

Kibbles (Not a cheater, hacker or exploiter)

Same boat here, I enjoy this game and the lack of effort ZOS is making to get these cheaters out of the game is disgusting, these are not some hybrid builds that Lambert claims, ZOS is getting fleeced by cheaters they cant even detect and the perception is they are doing nothing to detect them.

mchermie

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

ZOS is getting fleeced by cheaters they cant even detect and the perception is they are doing nothing to detect them.

But you can detect them? Tell us who they are, because I havent really seen anyone cheating since zazeer

God_flakes

mchermie wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

ZOS is getting fleeced by cheaters they cant even detect and the perception is they are doing nothing to detect them.

But you can detect them? Tell us who they are, because I havent really seen anyone cheating since zazeer

Saturday night a somewhat well known ep near chalgate ran around for well over 5 minutes with 20+ DC beating on him and his health bar took 0 damage. Some of the people hitting him are very heavy hitters throwing out upwards of 12k-15k crits and even above that with their ults. Zero damage. Did someone record it? Idk. I did message the guy and straight up accuse him and he messaged me back with the wink face or some such nonsense. Don't tell me it's not still going on.

Komma

mchermie wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

ZOS is getting fleeced by cheaters they cant even detect and the perception is they are doing nothing to detect them.

But you can detect them? Tell us who they are, because I havent really seen anyone cheating since zazeer

Anybody who understands the games mechanics and plays in cyrodiil a lot can see a cheater from a mile away. People can close their eyes if they want but if tomorrow there were no cheating you would prolly be shocked at who the average players really are. Just think of many of the "great" players (not all) and then think of these amazing nobodies that pop up every day. Dont be blind and you will see it.

mchermie

Komma wrote: »

Anybody who understands the games mechanics and plays in cyrodiil a lot can see a cheater from a mile away. People can close their eyes if they want but if tomorrow there were no cheating you would prolly be shocked at who the average players really are. Just think of many of the "great" players (not all) and then think of these amazing nobodies that pop up every day. Dont be blind and you will see it.

Aw sorry. I dont understand the games mechanics and never play in cyrodiil. My bad

Skitttles

Its clear from Alessia keep just now that the hackers are still around. He made it very obvious too.

darvaria

Last night a player was taking the scroll underground in BWB. I sent in a report, as did several other players. The scroll jumped from BM to Nik. A lot of ppl went to Nik and couldn't see the scroll, even though we saw it on the map. And then a player was wanting to "sell" the scroll for a FC to be dropped at BRK, and no FC was needed at BRK. I was told that a FC costs 20K ap and that was "code" for 20K of gold. The scroll suddenly jumped to an area near BRK. I told my group not to go because it was some type of scroll farming. You can see the chat dialog in zone by some DC players, that also play AD mostly. Trying to farm is one thing, but using the underground scroll exploit is another.

This happened around 1:00 EST and you can see the exact time by looking at the reports that filed by several DC players.

kevlarto_ESO

Between the exploit with swarm and the crazy proctard sets getting abused to the point it is sickening, I am seeing obvious speed hacks again, I know what fast looks like and I know what the flash looks like, and the flash is not a character in the Elder Scrolls World.

And some of my guild has reported being hit with 10 to 12 specials in less than 2 seconds, the cheat engine seems to be alive and well, I have seen a number of players rezing themselves or there is a new rez exploit able to stay completely stealthed while rezing and showing no signs of being rezed the player just jumps back up, I have stood stealthed by a player and watched them self rez.

Cheating is getting out of had again and I really have no faith in ZOS to do anything about it, these are not some hybrid builds or pro players that Lambert would have you believe these are cheaters and exploiters ruining the game, because they know they can get by with it and ZOS is not doing anything or not will spend the money to detect these third party programs upon launch of the game or activation during play. No these players are not killing me, I am watching them from stealth, defy the laws of game play physics.

God_flakes

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Between the exploit with swarm and the crazy proctard sets getting abused to the point it is sickening, I am seeing obvious speed hacks again, I know what fast looks like and I know what the flash looks like, and the flash is not a character in the Elder Scrolls World.

And some of my guild has reported being hit with 10 to 12 specials in less than 2 seconds, the cheat engine seems to be alive and well, I have seen a number of players rezing themselves or there is a new rez exploit able to stay completely stealthed while rezing and showing no signs of being rezed the player just jumps back up, I have stood stealthed by a player and watched them self rez.

Cheating is getting out of had again and I really have no faith in ZOS to do anything about it, these are not some hybrid builds or pro players that Lambert would have you believe these are cheaters and exploiters ruining the game, because they know they can get by with it and ZOS is not doing anything or not will spend the money to detect these third party programs upon launch of the game or activation during play. No these players are not killing me, I am watching them from stealth, defy the laws of game play physics.

Last night there was a certain person who posts on the forums who is quite a prominent well known ganker (loves to showcase his videos) who was in TF, between Bleaks and Chal, running around with about 8 people hitting him with all they had (ults included) and he merely ran around in their damage and was popping off 26k hits on the people around him without a single animation, and he never took one hit to his health. If that isn't blatant and in your face CE use I don't know what is.

Fudly_budly

I left PvP because all the cheaters killed the game. They got and continue to get rewarded for cheating. I had no recourse other than quit. Folks, shaming cheaters doesn't work because they have no character anyway. Their in-game behavior merely reflects their real life behavior.

Trottz

Allright let me get this straight. People got permabanned for using cheat engine? And then unbanned?

Got this info just in time. Thought about spending Crowns big time today. oh well steam autumn sale it'll be.

Pathetic move ZOS. Just pathetic, sorry.

ManwithBeard9

Trottz wrote: »

Allright let me get this straight. People got permabanned for using cheat engine? And then unbanned?

Got this info just in time. Thought about spending Crowns big time today. oh well steam autumn sale it'll be.

Pathetic move ZOS. Just pathetic, sorry.

Allegedly of course. But there is audio proof out there where a CE exploiter admits to using it, deleting it, and told ZOS they deleted from their computer. That same person was also recently banned along with several others for racial harassment where at least one of the people just night another account and was playing again shortly after.

Trottz

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Trottz wrote: »

Allright let me get this straight. People got permabanned for using cheat engine? And then unbanned?

Got this info just in time. Thought about spending Crowns big time today. oh well steam autumn sale it'll be.

Pathetic move ZOS. Just pathetic, sorry.

Allegedly of course. But there is audio proof out there where a CE exploiter admits to using it, deleting it, and told ZOS they deleted from their computer. That same person was also recently banned along with several others for racial harassment where at least one of the people just night another account and was playing again shortly after.

Okay. Thank you for that information.
There's not just black and white. I'm aware of that.

AzuraKin

does this mean that everyone who animation cancelling gonna get banned? because lets face it firing off a fully charged heavy attack and a wrecking blow at the same moment (animation cancelling) cannot be considered fair play or intended game mechanics when for normal players like me who do not try to bend the game mechanics to thier benefit, see a 1s delay between heavy attack end, and wrecking blow doing damage and a 2s delay between wrecking blow end and heavy attack doing damage.

God_flakes

AzuraKin wrote: »

does this mean that everyone who animation cancelling gonna get banned? because lets face it firing off a fully charged heavy attack and a wrecking blow at the same moment (animation cancelling) cannot be considered fair play or intended game mechanics when for normal players like me who do not try to bend the game mechanics to thier benefit, see a 1s delay between heavy attack end, and wrecking blow doing damage and a 2s delay between wrecking blow end and heavy attack doing damage.

AC has been discussed at length on the forum and the people who do it say it's the last bit of skill in the game and they defend it to the hilt. Apparently Zos is also ok with it.

ManwithBeard9

AzuraKin wrote: »

does this mean that everyone who animation cancelling gonna get banned? because lets face it firing off a fully charged heavy attack and a wrecking blow at the same moment (animation cancelling) cannot be considered fair play or intended game mechanics when for normal players like me who do not try to bend the game mechanics to thier benefit, see a 1s delay between heavy attack end, and wrecking blow doing damage and a 2s delay between wrecking blow end and heavy attack doing damage.

With all the problems this game and dev teams have, animation canceling is the least of the problems.

Etaniel

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

does this mean that everyone who animation cancelling gonna get banned? because lets face it firing off a fully charged heavy attack and a wrecking blow at the same moment (animation cancelling) cannot be considered fair play or intended game mechanics when for normal players like me who do not try to bend the game mechanics to thier benefit, see a 1s delay between heavy attack end, and wrecking blow doing damage and a 2s delay between wrecking blow end and heavy attack doing damage.

With all the problems this game and dev teams have, animation canceling is the least of the problems.

Except that this particular case is more than animation cancelling. ANimation cancelling removes the unnecessary animation that comes after the actual skill effect. In the wrecking blow + HA case, the animation is cut but the damage and stun comes afterwards, and that imo is an issue.

ManwithBeard9

Etaniel wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

does this mean that everyone who animation cancelling gonna get banned? because lets face it firing off a fully charged heavy attack and a wrecking blow at the same moment (animation cancelling) cannot be considered fair play or intended game mechanics when for normal players like me who do not try to bend the game mechanics to thier benefit, see a 1s delay between heavy attack end, and wrecking blow doing damage and a 2s delay between wrecking blow end and heavy attack doing damage.

With all the problems this game and dev teams have, animation canceling is the least of the problems.

Except that this particular case is more than animation cancelling. ANimation cancelling removes the unnecessary animation that comes after the actual skill effect. In the wrecking blow + HA case, the animation is cut but the damage and stun comes afterwards, and that imo is an issue.

I'd say a free downloadable program that can alter the game information sent to the server unchecked to allow major cheats and exploits is a much bigger issue than hiding an animation. Or purposely hiding INSIDE a dolmen in cyrodil where you cannot be damaged but can damage others. Or having 5 different mundus stones. Or running UNDER the map in cyrodil with a scroll so you can't be attacked. Or selling gold for real money. Or allowing someone else to level your character or college content for titles.

Malamar1229

God_flakes wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

Between the exploit with swarm and the crazy proctard sets getting abused to the point it is sickening, I am seeing obvious speed hacks again, I know what fast looks like and I know what the flash looks like, and the flash is not a character in the Elder Scrolls World.

And some of my guild has reported being hit with 10 to 12 specials in less than 2 seconds, the cheat engine seems to be alive and well, I have seen a number of players rezing themselves or there is a new rez exploit able to stay completely stealthed while rezing and showing no signs of being rezed the player just jumps back up, I have stood stealthed by a player and watched them self rez.

Cheating is getting out of had again and I really have no faith in ZOS to do anything about it, these are not some hybrid builds or pro players that Lambert would have you believe these are cheaters and exploiters ruining the game, because they know they can get by with it and ZOS is not doing anything or not will spend the money to detect these third party programs upon launch of the game or activation during play. No these players are not killing me, I am watching them from stealth, defy the laws of game play physics.

Last night there was a certain person who posts on the forums who is quite a prominent well known ganker (loves to showcase his videos) who was in TF, between Bleaks and Chal, running around with about 8 people hitting him with all they had (ults included) and he merely ran around in their damage and was popping off 26k hits on the people around him without a single animation, and he never took one hit to his health. If that isn't blatant and in your face CE use I don't know what is.

msg me

-makkir

ChrisXO

Double mundus stones: cheating? Consequences?

rfennell_ESO

ChrisXO wrote: »

Double mundus stones: cheating? Consequences?

The only consequence is they make a youtube video, post it on these forums, and farm some awesomes.

Etaniel

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

ManwithBeard9 wrote: »

AzuraKin wrote: »

does this mean that everyone who animation cancelling gonna get banned? because lets face it firing off a fully charged heavy attack and a wrecking blow at the same moment (animation cancelling) cannot be considered fair play or intended game mechanics when for normal players like me who do not try to bend the game mechanics to thier benefit, see a 1s delay between heavy attack end, and wrecking blow doing damage and a 2s delay between wrecking blow end and heavy attack doing damage.

With all the problems this game and dev teams have, animation canceling is the least of the problems.

Except that this particular case is more than animation cancelling. ANimation cancelling removes the unnecessary animation that comes after the actual skill effect. In the wrecking blow + HA case, the animation is cut but the damage and stun comes afterwards, and that imo is an issue.

I'd say a free downloadable program that can alter the game information sent to the server unchecked to allow major cheats and exploits is a much bigger issue than hiding an animation. Or purposely hiding INSIDE a dolmen in cyrodil where you cannot be damaged but can damage others. Or having 5 different mundus stones. Or running UNDER the map in cyrodil with a scroll so you can't be attacked. Or selling gold for real money. Or allowing someone else to level your character or college content for titles.

I would agree with you.
My comment was just pointing out that in my opinion, the heavy attack + wrecking blow/dizzying swing isn't just animation cancelling.

Neoakropolis

Remember when Devs thought blinxy was just good and not a cheat.. LEL.... Clearly, we are not dealing with the brightest crayons in the box when it comes to this team.