Cyrodiil, Cheating/Exploiting, & You

phairdon

Are bans still handed out for players gap closing onto keep walls? Witnessed this earlier today.

rfennell_ESO

phairdon wrote: »

Are bans still handed out for players gap closing onto keep walls? Witnessed this earlier today.

Judging by who they invited to their "player meet" exploiting in game is met with an invitation to ZOS.

Grebcol

Exploiting in ESO is normal. You can cheat and ZoS don't care. There is no punishment, nothing.

White wabbit

So basically this thread isn't worth nothing , as nothing comes of anything seems to me that we might as well all expoilt , cheat if we want a level playing field

Barbaran

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom how about you guys fix the emote glitch where people can hit you with 4-5 snipe (focused aim/leathel arrow) in 1 second. one second your alive the next second you have 4-5 snipes on your death recap from the same name

Lokey0024

Found this on youtube. According to the forums this cant happen. 1 sec/1skill+LA+bash. This obviously isn't the case. Eg speedhack viable on ps4?

https://youtu.be/2e3ItKPQUhY

RinaldoGandolphi

Lokey0024 wrote: »

Found this on youtube. According to the forums this cant happen. 1 sec/1skill+LA+bash. This obviously isn't the case. Eg speedhack viable on ps4?

https://youtu.be/2e3ItKPQUhY

Sadly as much as many don't want to admit it, animation canceling is the avenue used for the majority exploits this game has had the last two years.

The double Selene proc that was patched with Homestead was only possible by cancelling the animation with a bar swap or block bar swap.

Many other exploits have only worked because of animation canceling.

Sadly a large part of the community would get in an uproar if they do something about it. If you look at most of the major bugs and exploits you will see a lot of them(such as the recently patched double Selene proc) would not work if you couldn't cancel/clip certain animations.

However, AC has a lot of defenders and ZOS has built their game around JD it. I doubt this ever changes, but that still doesn't mean it's not a design flaw and a mistake.

xericdx

Got a recap with 3 focused aim from the same player. All at the same time (of course, insta-killed).

Yeah...

Cogo

The 2H gap closer still let players enter a keep through a wall.

Question ZoS. Is this still illegal? If so, do they get banned or warned?

Zinaroth

Cogo wrote: »

The 2H gap closer still let players enter a keep through a wall.

Question ZoS. Is this still illegal? If so, do they get banned or warned?

Yes this is not allowed.
ZOS however do not punsh people for doing it.
But they reserve every right to "take names" and maybe ban or suspend you a month or a year in the future.
This is how ZOS operates; if enough people complain they make scapegoats of a lucky few so they can claim they did something.

zigzagzen

Isn't multi-level gap close supposed to have been nixed, I have experienced people gap closing up rocks, up levels (no stairs mind you), always with crit rush where ambush/streak/shield rush doesn't activate. Pretty sure this was considered an exploit, but seems to be still a thing with Crit Rush.

StackonClown

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Lately, we’ve seen a lot of questions about what we consider cheating and/or exploiting in ESO. The amount of people using exploits, especially in Cyrodiil, has also been on the rise. Due to this, and our recent efforts to take a stronger stance against exploiting and cheating in ESO, this has become a hotly debated topic within our community. We’d like to help shed some light on what we consider cheating and exploiting and how you can help us curb this behavior.

We would generally frown upon (and potentially take action as a result of) using third party tools or taking an advantage of an in-game mechanic that is not currently working as designed to in any way provide an advantage to your playing abilities. In plain English: if it looks or feels like cheating, then try it out at your own risk. Or better yet, don’t try it at all.

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

There are certain things we’re working on fixing on our end to make this behavior no longer possible, but that does not mean it’s okay to exploit these issues in the meantime.

To summarize, if you are using abilities such as gap closers to do things that are not within the realm of intended design and/or bypassing core game mechanics, such as entering keeps without downing doors and/or walls and getting under the environment (ground, water, etc.), you are exploiting. In short: don’t do it. If we catch you exploiting and/or cheating, even once, it is grounds for disciplinary action up to and including a permanent ban of your game account. If in doubt about whether or not certain actions or activity are considered exploiting, you are welcome to ask us here on the forums.

Thank you all for your cooperation in helping us keep ESO free of cheating and exploiting, and a fun, fair environment for all.

Epic necro

Hi @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ,

How is the Cheat Engine banning going?
Can I pls ask how many people have been banned in 2017 for using Cheat Engine? is it 1 or 2 or thousands or zero?

Do you know there are apparently special ESO custom compilations of cheat engine out there and have lots of ways to attempt to defeat detection?

I assume you are catching them regardless?

Do you also know that cheaters obviously rename the executables so you cant just search for 'Cheat Engine.exe' or whatever.

Some of us players still feel this is an issue.. Does ZOS?

Thanks!

A_G_G_R_O

OMFG these wall hacking aim bot macro scrubs are rooooining cyrodill. Yesterday 9 of my friends and I were spamming snipe and back pedaling And this cheating DK did LOS macro cheats And killed me And my friends by himself. He was using Miats too a known hacker what a scrub has to crutch on his animation canceling cheats and stuffs. Plz ZoS nerf other players ability to L2P so they can be stuck on my potato level too! It’s not right that I can spam 1 ability from 30 meters away and win, plz buff bows and make snipe 1 shot 1 kill, also buff Nbs we are too squishy, Its just not fair I’m not given a free trophy. Nerf
Nerf
Nerf
And permaban!

Cadbury

I feel sorry for the PC PvP players, having to deal with CE and Miats on a daily basis.

StackonClown

Cadbury wrote: »

I feel sorry for the PC PvP players, having to deal with CE and Miats on a daily basis.

Its ok, we are used to it.. One day another meteor spammer will come along and show that CE *NEVER LEFT*.. lulz

Ghostbane

StackonClown wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Lately, we’ve seen a lot of questions about what we consider cheating and/or exploiting in ESO. The amount of people using exploits, especially in Cyrodiil, has also been on the rise. Due to this, and our recent efforts to take a stronger stance against exploiting and cheating in ESO, this has become a hotly debated topic within our community. We’d like to help shed some light on what we consider cheating and exploiting and how you can help us curb this behavior.

We would generally frown upon (and potentially take action as a result of) using third party tools or taking an advantage of an in-game mechanic that is not currently working as designed to in any way provide an advantage to your playing abilities. In plain English: if it looks or feels like cheating, then try it out at your own risk. Or better yet, don’t try it at all.

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

There are certain things we’re working on fixing on our end to make this behavior no longer possible, but that does not mean it’s okay to exploit these issues in the meantime.

To summarize, if you are using abilities such as gap closers to do things that are not within the realm of intended design and/or bypassing core game mechanics, such as entering keeps without downing doors and/or walls and getting under the environment (ground, water, etc.), you are exploiting. In short: don’t do it. If we catch you exploiting and/or cheating, even once, it is grounds for disciplinary action up to and including a permanent ban of your game account. If in doubt about whether or not certain actions or activity are considered exploiting, you are welcome to ask us here on the forums.

Thank you all for your cooperation in helping us keep ESO free of cheating and exploiting, and a fun, fair environment for all.

Do you also know that cheaters obviously rename the executables so you cant just search for 'Cheat Engine.exe' or whatever.

How could ZoS search what is running on your machine? Legally of course.

Morgul667

Cadbury wrote: »

I feel sorry for the PC PvP players, having to deal with CE and Miats on a daily basis.

This

Feanor

Ghostbane wrote: »

StackonClown wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Lately, we’ve seen a lot of questions about what we consider cheating and/or exploiting in ESO. The amount of people using exploits, especially in Cyrodiil, has also been on the rise. Due to this, and our recent efforts to take a stronger stance against exploiting and cheating in ESO, this has become a hotly debated topic within our community. We’d like to help shed some light on what we consider cheating and exploiting and how you can help us curb this behavior.

We would generally frown upon (and potentially take action as a result of) using third party tools or taking an advantage of an in-game mechanic that is not currently working as designed to in any way provide an advantage to your playing abilities. In plain English: if it looks or feels like cheating, then try it out at your own risk. Or better yet, don’t try it at all.

We have a zero tolerance policy for cheating/exploiting/using unapproved third party tools (such as Cheat Engine), so you should also know that even a single instance can lead to a 72-hour suspension, or even a permanent ban, depending on the offense. And in the specific case of Cheat Engine, even the first offense will result in a permanent ban.

There are certain things we’re working on fixing on our end to make this behavior no longer possible, but that does not mean it’s okay to exploit these issues in the meantime.

To summarize, if you are using abilities such as gap closers to do things that are not within the realm of intended design and/or bypassing core game mechanics, such as entering keeps without downing doors and/or walls and getting under the environment (ground, water, etc.), you are exploiting. In short: don’t do it. If we catch you exploiting and/or cheating, even once, it is grounds for disciplinary action up to and including a permanent ban of your game account. If in doubt about whether or not certain actions or activity are considered exploiting, you are welcome to ask us here on the forums.

Thank you all for your cooperation in helping us keep ESO free of cheating and exploiting, and a fun, fair environment for all.

Do you also know that cheaters obviously rename the executables so you cant just search for 'Cheat Engine.exe' or whatever.

How could ZoS search what is running on your machine? Legally of course.

By you either consenting to it or not playing the game any longer.

dennissomb16_ESO

While it is nice to get some sort of official post about cheating from ZOS (85 pages in the actual cheat sticky without a single ZOS response) the long long long months of no responses from the developers, combined with caving in to known cheaters and removing perma bans, and extremely slow developer action (or simple non action) around broken mechanics (such as charge mechanics into keeps), leaves me feeling less then enthusiastic about any actually actions towards the cheating/bugged/broken issues within the game

Kharret

LOL, how old is that trick which make possible to fly up onto the keep outer wall? I was impressed today how smoothly guys from EP performs it... and according to rumors not for the first day.
And how this even possible? I don't believe it 's something difficult to detect from the server side.


P.S. I've read all the stories about gapcloser exploits. ZOS, I have no words, it's just a shame. Go make the singleplayer TES game already.

A_G_G_R_O

I fight with and against the best players in this game regularly. They don’t use CE. So whoever is out there using CE is so irrelevant it doesn’t even matter as they are getting packed up on the daily. I see these salty whispers with that and speed hacks and think, man this game is so dead in PvP vs other comp games I doubt any people develop hacks. Just salty little potatoes who hit max cp and never figured out how to sustain and weave bash cancel abilities. Or too broke to afford speed immovables. I feel bad for console, your frames are bad, your UI is bad, and you can’t beat most trials or play cyro with out getting constant DC’ed. People complaining without proof just furthers the echo chambers of bad players in discord that never fuels them to L2P and Procure some Gud.

A_G_G_R_O

Also Miats only counters potatoes who never learned how to play the game, sure it’s a shame but honestly it never will save anyone from an elite player. And it’s not cheating

joe.smith21b14_ESO

A_G_G_R_O wrote: »

Also Miats only counters potatoes who never learned how to play the game, sure it’s a shame but honestly it never will save anyone from an elite player. And it’s not cheating

Miats ruined my gank build it was based around wrecking blow. Now I have to play fair. Thanks miat for taking away my one shot wonder.