Wow costume dyes require crown store or ESO plus ?

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.

I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.

Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.

Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.

If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.

The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.

I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.

@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.

I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?

@ShedsHisTail

It was confirmed during a three way with a Microsoft Xbox manager and ZOS while I was on with them after a 45 day 50+ email chain after it occurred the third month in a row.

I tried again 30 days ago and it failed again and I had to contact ZOS with a ticket.
Then after a few emails I got my crowns but some of the DLC access wasn't resolved even still as of Monday (alive been on travel but it expires tomorrow so, my point is why are they continuing to lock things behind a sub when they've publicly confirmed its a known issue for over a year on Xbox one and don't have an ETA when it will be resolved nor do they have a plan to stop charging people money as the only ones who get crowns are those who create a ticket

Otherwise those impacted which again and a lot are just throwing money away and this seems to be more detrimental to ZOS than beneficial. These two decisions would complicate an already problematic issue.

Asking @ZOS_JessicaFolsom why nothing has changed on the ZOS side as its been 14 months and counting.

Only thing I can think of is because it's an issue which is affecting a minority of players, so taking the lock off for everyone just to appease those few who are having issues would be too disruptive to their model. Not to mention, can you imagine the outrage from the PS4 and PC community if suddenly there were no subscription locks for Xbox?

They' end up having to remove those locks from PC and PS4 too, which, might sound good on the surface, but when the game goes B2P with no perks for subscribers, I think you could pretty much say goodbye to any sort of luxury content in the future.

Every single new addition would be in the Crown Store, and it wouldn't be cheap because they'd have to make up for all those subscriptions they don't have anymore because no one is subscribing because there's no longer any incentive. I imagine it'd take less that 6 months for the game to P2W just to keep the money flowing.

THAT would kill this game.

So, yeah, I feel for you, I do.
But incentivizing the subscription model is what keeps this game tolerable. Regular income is what keeps this game from being P2W. If that means a few folks with glitch accounts are out in the cold on a few perks, from a business perspective I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.

All I can say is keep hammering on them until you reach some sort of resolution. Or get a PC.

It's not a minority tho per ZOS and not me.

I suspect you may have misunderstood.
The fact that it's only occurring one of three possible platforms pretty much makes it a minority by default, even if it was happening to every single Xbox player. Either that or there are more Xbox players experiencing this bug than there are total players on the other two platforms combined... which I doubt.

Lysette wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.

I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.

Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.

Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.

If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.

The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.

I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.

@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.

I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?

@ShedsHisTail

It was confirmed during a three way with a Microsoft Xbox manager and ZOS while I was on with them after a 45 day 50+ email chain after it occurred the third month in a row.

I tried again 30 days ago and it failed again and I had to contact ZOS with a ticket.
Then after a few emails I got my crowns but some of the DLC access wasn't resolved even still as of Monday (alive been on travel but it expires tomorrow so, my point is why are they continuing to lock things behind a sub when they've publicly confirmed its a known issue for over a year on Xbox one and don't have an ETA when it will be resolved nor do they have a plan to stop charging people money as the only ones who get crowns are those who create a ticket

Otherwise those impacted which again and a lot are just throwing money away and this seems to be more detrimental to ZOS than beneficial. These two decisions would complicate an already problematic issue.

Asking @ZOS_JessicaFolsom why nothing has changed on the ZOS side as its been 14 months and counting.

Only thing I can think of is because it's an issue which is affecting a minority of players, so taking the lock off for everyone just to appease those few who are having issues would be too disruptive to their model. Not to mention, can you imagine the outrage from the PS4 and PC community if suddenly there were no subscription locks for Xbox?

They' end up having to remove those locks from PC and PS4 too, which, might sound good on the surface, but when the game goes B2P with no perks for subscribers, I think you could pretty much say goodbye to any sort of luxury content in the future.

Every single new addition would be in the Crown Store, and it wouldn't be cheap because they'd have to make up for all those subscriptions they don't have anymore because no one is subscribing because there's no longer any incentive. I imagine it'd take less that 6 months for the game to P2W just to keep the money flowing.

THAT would kill this game.

So, yeah, I feel for you, I do.
But incentivizing the subscription model is what keeps this game tolerable. Regular income is what keeps this game from being P2W. If that means a few folks with glitch accounts are out in the cold on a few perks, from a business perspective I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.

All I can say is keep hammering on them until you reach some sort of resolution. Or get a PC.

It's not a minority tho per ZOS and not me.

Well it has to be a minority, I doubt that ZOS is able to handle a million or even just a few hundred thousands of such issues every month by hand. And those would have to be at least a couple of hundred thousand issues to be a majority.

Folks. It's bigger than you assume

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.

I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.

Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.

Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.

If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.

The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.

I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.

@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.

I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?

@ShedsHisTail

It was confirmed during a three way with a Microsoft Xbox manager and ZOS while I was on with them after a 45 day 50+ email chain after it occurred the third month in a row.

I tried again 30 days ago and it failed again and I had to contact ZOS with a ticket.
Then after a few emails I got my crowns but some of the DLC access wasn't resolved even still as of Monday (alive been on travel but it expires tomorrow so, my point is why are they continuing to lock things behind a sub when they've publicly confirmed its a known issue for over a year on Xbox one and don't have an ETA when it will be resolved nor do they have a plan to stop charging people money as the only ones who get crowns are those who create a ticket

Otherwise those impacted which again and a lot are just throwing money away and this seems to be more detrimental to ZOS than beneficial. These two decisions would complicate an already problematic issue.

Asking @ZOS_JessicaFolsom why nothing has changed on the ZOS side as its been 14 months and counting.

Only thing I can think of is because it's an issue which is affecting a minority of players, so taking the lock off for everyone just to appease those few who are having issues would be too disruptive to their model. Not to mention, can you imagine the outrage from the PS4 and PC community if suddenly there were no subscription locks for Xbox?

They' end up having to remove those locks from PC and PS4 too, which, might sound good on the surface, but when the game goes B2P with no perks for subscribers, I think you could pretty much say goodbye to any sort of luxury content in the future.

Every single new addition would be in the Crown Store, and it wouldn't be cheap because they'd have to make up for all those subscriptions they don't have anymore because no one is subscribing because there's no longer any incentive. I imagine it'd take less that 6 months for the game to P2W just to keep the money flowing.

THAT would kill this game.

So, yeah, I feel for you, I do.
But incentivizing the subscription model is what keeps this game tolerable. Regular income is what keeps this game from being P2W. If that means a few folks with glitch accounts are out in the cold on a few perks, from a business perspective I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.

All I can say is keep hammering on them until you reach some sort of resolution. Or get a PC.

It's not a minority tho per ZOS and not me.

I suspect you may have misunderstood.
The fact that it's only occurring one of three possible platforms pretty much makes it a minority by default, even if it was happening to every single Xbox player. Either that or there are more Xbox players experiencing this bug than there are total players on the other two platforms combined... which I doubt.

Lysette wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.

I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.

Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.

Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.

If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.

The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.

I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.

@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.

I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?

@ShedsHisTail

It was confirmed during a three way with a Microsoft Xbox manager and ZOS while I was on with them after a 45 day 50+ email chain after it occurred the third month in a row.

I tried again 30 days ago and it failed again and I had to contact ZOS with a ticket.
Then after a few emails I got my crowns but some of the DLC access wasn't resolved even still as of Monday (alive been on travel but it expires tomorrow so, my point is why are they continuing to lock things behind a sub when they've publicly confirmed its a known issue for over a year on Xbox one and don't have an ETA when it will be resolved nor do they have a plan to stop charging people money as the only ones who get crowns are those who create a ticket

Otherwise those impacted which again and a lot are just throwing money away and this seems to be more detrimental to ZOS than beneficial. These two decisions would complicate an already problematic issue.

Asking @ZOS_JessicaFolsom why nothing has changed on the ZOS side as its been 14 months and counting.

Only thing I can think of is because it's an issue which is affecting a minority of players, so taking the lock off for everyone just to appease those few who are having issues would be too disruptive to their model. Not to mention, can you imagine the outrage from the PS4 and PC community if suddenly there were no subscription locks for Xbox?

They' end up having to remove those locks from PC and PS4 too, which, might sound good on the surface, but when the game goes B2P with no perks for subscribers, I think you could pretty much say goodbye to any sort of luxury content in the future.

Every single new addition would be in the Crown Store, and it wouldn't be cheap because they'd have to make up for all those subscriptions they don't have anymore because no one is subscribing because there's no longer any incentive. I imagine it'd take less that 6 months for the game to P2W just to keep the money flowing.

THAT would kill this game.

So, yeah, I feel for you, I do.
But incentivizing the subscription model is what keeps this game tolerable. Regular income is what keeps this game from being P2W. If that means a few folks with glitch accounts are out in the cold on a few perks, from a business perspective I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.

All I can say is keep hammering on them until you reach some sort of resolution. Or get a PC.

It's not a minority tho per ZOS and not me.

Well it has to be a minority, I doubt that ZOS is able to handle a million or even just a few hundred thousands of such issues every month by hand. And those would have to be at least a couple of hundred thousand issues to be a majority.

Folks. It's bigger than you assume

I feel like there would be a bit more hubbub if it were -that- big.

Ep1kMalware · June 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?

I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.

The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?

The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.

Actually, a LOT of people have said they went back to subscribing, and happy to do so, JUST BECAUSE OF the crafting bags... and now they have the costume dying too.

I haven't seen ANYBODY say that. All I see are subscribers posting furiously on these forums, trying to act like the rest of us are "entitled" cheapskates or whatever. This really makes me angry, because I've spent HUNDREDS of dollars on this game since it came out of beta, including a $50 motif I've only used twice.

lololol someone was actually gullible enough to biy that? I sell you werewolf bite, deep discount, 20$

(not rly zos no ban plx)

waterfairy · June 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

This mindset of wanting everything for free is cancer.

If you buy a costume then why should you have to buy dyes for it or sub to change the color? That's the greedy grab crap ZOS is getting famous for.

yes and no - if you are already a subscriber it costs you absolutely nothing extra - so this new feature is basically coming for free for us subscribers - it was not there before and it does not cost us anything more then - so it is free.

I refuse to sub to this game, I buy the things I want like Orsinium (which is broken) and a couple of other smaller items. Charging to color costumes that I bought is cash grabbing. This tells me that weapon dyes will cost crowns, even though it's something that should have been in the game from the moment they planned on making end game weapons the horrible hooker lipstick red.

ZOS is really putting me off from ever buying anything from them again. I bought a $30 dlc that I can't play and these other decisions are really leaving me with a sour taste.

KhajiitiLizard · June 2016

Eh... whatever I uninstalled ESO to make room for the new Doom that I just bought...

The chance of ZOS ever getting more money from me pretty much 0 atm...

It's sad though as I had the tiger senche mount reward for having subbed for almost a whole year...

Now I just wish I could get that money back.

waterfairy · June 2016

Ackwalan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I may have missed parts of ESO Plus from being on an airplane but did I hear and see right that ESO plus is required or crown store purchased dyes that rotate on and off the store @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What happened to Matt F no sub required statements with ESO plus?
Crafting bags and now this.....when are you going to fix ESO plus for Xbox one.

It costs money to keep the game running.

They're making plenty already, no need to be greedy and charge to color clothes...that's ridiculous.

Rockstar steadily releases free updates for GTA Online that offers new content and they even offer an extra reward of free items for your character if you log in during the 1st week of the update as an extra fan service to those who stay active. The only thing they sell is cash cards and they've kept up to date with their online game for a few years now.

KramUzibra · June 2016

I love this! More perks for subing. It's so inexpensive I think it's like 50 cents a day. Totally affordable!

Lysette · June 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

This mindset of wanting everything for free is cancer.

If you buy a costume then why should you have to buy dyes for it or sub to change the color? That's the greedy grab crap ZOS is getting famous for.

yes and no - if you are already a subscriber it costs you absolutely nothing extra - so this new feature is basically coming for free for us subscribers - it was not there before and it does not cost us anything more then - so it is free.

I refuse to sub to this game, I buy the things I want like Orsinium (which is broken) and a couple of other smaller items. Charging to color costumes that I bought is cash grabbing. This tells me that weapon dyes will cost crowns, even though it's something that should have been in the game from the moment they planned on making end game weapons the horrible hooker lipstick red.

ZOS is really putting me off from ever buying anything from them again. I bought a $30 dlc that I can't play and these other decisions are really leaving me with a sour taste.

i know that feeling, I had it a while ago as well - fed up with greed - the solution is, have a break, to me it was around 10 days. You will feel better when you will return. I even bought that item, which made me feel like this, because now I can see a value in it, but not before.

Shadesofkin · June 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I may have missed parts of ESO Plus from being on an airplane but did I hear and see right that ESO plus is required or crown store purchased dyes that rotate on and off the store @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What happened to Matt F no sub required statements with ESO plus?
Crafting bags and now this.....when are you going to fix ESO plus for Xbox one.

It costs money to keep the game running.

They're making plenty already, no need to be greedy and charge to color clothes...that's ridiculous.

Rockstar steadily releases free updates for GTA Online that offers new content and they even offer an extra reward of free items for your character if you log in during the 1st week of the update as an extra fan service to those who stay active. The only thing they sell is cash cards and they've kept up to date with their online game for a few years now.

I'm pro-profit so I can't say I blame them.

That being said, I find it fascinating that so many people are upset about something cosmetic. I guess that's just how it is, it's something players wanted and now they feel like it's being gated (It is, but I'm ok with that because I benefit).

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

KramUzibra wrote: »

I love this! More perks for subing. It's so inexpensive I think it's like 50 cents a day. Totally affordable!

That's less than the price of a cup of coffee!
Or saving a starving kid in Africa!

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

My only problem is that I have paid for the sub since before it was ESO plus and it was just the required sub to play on PC. But now just this month on xbox it stopped recognizing that I've subbed. It stopped the same day xbox live withdrew money from my account to pay for the subscription, and I received and email notifying me that my subscription was renewed.

I just want the ESO+ I've paid for... Still waiting on further responses from ZOS... They are working on it though, at least they tell me they are......

There was a case like this on the forums lately and that was resolved by support - maybe search for this thread, I think it had a hint who solved this for that person. Was very recently, just a few days ago iirc.

That was me and no it wasn't resolved, what was resolved was that they re-opened my ticket after initially closing it and basically saying "tough luck, try reading the new player guides". I made two different discussions about it, the first when I first encountered it the second a rage induced rant copy pasting the response I got. They removed my rant and sent me a personal message saying they re-opened my ticket and were looking into it.

Lysette · June 2016

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

My only problem is that I have paid for the sub since before it was ESO plus and it was just the required sub to play on PC. But now just this month on xbox it stopped recognizing that I've subbed. It stopped the same day xbox live withdrew money from my account to pay for the subscription, and I received and email notifying me that my subscription was renewed.

I just want the ESO+ I've paid for... Still waiting on further responses from ZOS... They are working on it though, at least they tell me they are......

There was a case like this on the forums lately and that was resolved by support - maybe search for this thread, I think it had a hint who solved this for that person. Was very recently, just a few days ago iirc.

That was me and no it wasn't resolved, what was resolved was that they re-opened my ticket after initially closing it and basically saying "tough luck, try reading the new player guides". I made two different discussions about it, the first when I first encountered it the second a rage induced rant copy pasting the response I got. They removed my rant and sent me a personal message saying they re-opened my ticket and were looking into it.

Ah then I read it until you said, it would have been resolved, or I interpreted what you said as being resolved - sorry. I mean your case is critical - ZOS should act immediately on something like this, because failing to do so let's them loose subscribers and any unhappy customer leads to a bunch of those, who will as well not subscribe or unsubscribe, in the wake of not handling this until it is resolved.

Korozenn · June 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?

I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.

The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do you really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?

The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.

Looks like I need to go into full-on pricing comparison mode again:

Buying Crowns Individually vs. ESO Plus Sub:

FACTS About ESO Plus Sub
- First off, it's not $15/month if you get a longer sub, which is $13/month. The best priced option.
- You get 9,000 Crowns for the six-month sub.
- You pay approximately $78 for six months.
- You get 10% increase in Gold, Experience Points, Inspiration, and 10% Reduced Research Times.
- You get access to ALL in-game DLC while subbed.
- You get the Craft Bag, making resource management less time-consuming and intrusive on inventory/bank space.
- In Update 11, you'll be able to dye Costumes & Hats through the Dye Station using the unlocked dye achievements you have on your account.

Remember these most importantly: $78 for six months, access to all DLC, and a whopping 9,000 Crowns.

FACTS About Buying Crowns Individually
- It is ~$40 to purchase 5500 Crowns. The best priced option.
- It is ~$80 to get 11,000 Crowns.
- The price of all currently available DLC is 2500 Crowns (IC), 3000 Crowns (ORC), 2000 Crowns (TG), 2000 Crowns (DB). Let's hypothetically say this upcoming DLC dungeon pack will cost 1000 Crowns (being reasonable with pricing). That's a grand total of 10,500 Crowns to purchase all DLC, and this assumes you didn't buy the bundles, which are more expensive.
- You get none of the convenience benefits of an ESO Plus sub because, well...you're not an ESO Plus sub.
- You don't get 9,000 Crowns in spending for use on the Crown Store to purchase even more convenience stuff either.

Once again, I want you to remember this: ~$80 to get 11,000 Crowns, DLC costs 10,500 in total, so you'd have 500 Crown left and have to buy more again later in the year. It doesn't sound so bad so far, does it? Well...

What You're Saving with an ESO Plus Sub
Let's do some math with this:

Purchasing Crowns:
$1 = ~143.75 Crowns on the Crown Store, therefore...
$80 = 11,000 Crowns - 10,500 Crowns for DLC = 500 Crowns Extra

ESO Plus Subscription:
$78 = 9,000 Crowns - 0 for DLC (All DLC Unlocked with ESO Plus) = 9,000 Crowns Extra

In other words, if we use the conversion that it is to normally buy Crowns off the Crown Store, with the subscription for six months (assuming you don't have it set to automatically renew) you're saving approximately $62 to buy enough DLC for a YEAR once the subscription's time lapses if you don't auto-renew.

If you keep it active, you're saving a TON of Crowns that would have been getting wasted on purchasing DLC packs that you get to use towards in-game convenience items and upgrades available on the Crown Store.

So, in all reality, if you're someone who wants to number crunch, then the best way to go about saving money in this game is the following:

1. Buy and enjoy Tamriel Unlimited without getting the DLC or an ESO Plus subscription.
2. When you get to a point where you want to do all of the DLC content in the game, become an ESO Plus subscriber for six months. (Save ALL of the 9,000 Crowns earned after becoming a sub.)
3. After the subscription lapses, have/don't have it auto-renew. So, you then have four options:

Don't Renew: You won't have access to DLC you did previously, but you can buy them all over time for ~4,000-5,000 (the average price of DLC released within six months) and then buy newer DLC with the rest saved in the next six months (~4,500 Crowns), or...
Don't Renew: Purchase the next set of DLC that comes out in the next year with the 9,000 Crowns saved up from your subscription.
Renew: You get the best possible outcome where you get all of the benefits listed in the "FACTS About ESO Plus Sub" section. You can just cancel the sub and have it not auto-renew when you want to take a break and then renew it when you want to start it back up again. This is what people do as they tend to play other games as well while they play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited.
Renew: If taking a small break, or you just want to support the devs, you can remain an ESO Plus sub even if not playing and still be accumulating Crowns for your loyalty subscription. When you return, you'll have a ton of Crowns you can spend on in-game shiz-nit!

4. (If You Don't Renew) When your Crowns run out from purchasing DLC and the next DLC content update comes out, repeat Steps 1-4.

So don't even 'think' about comparing the two and saying that an ESO Plus sub isn't worth the money. It absolutely is no matter which way you look at it as an active or casual player. You save ~$62 while having access to numerous features that make the game much more convenient to play. You don't HAVE to be a sub all the time. People play multiple games and can't devote all their time to one game. That's why ZeniMax gives this above option to players.

Point is, if you're a number-cruncher, the four steps listed above is more for you.
If you play TESO casually, then you may consider purchasing DLC through Crowns instead.
If you play TESO actively, like the convenience of ESO Plus, and/or just want to support the dev team while playing the game (actively or casually) like myself, the best option for you is to subscribe.

If you don't plan on playing TESO actively for a few months (hey, it happens to all of us), you can come back later when there is more content for you and friends to trek through and re-sub to access everything again all at once, play actively again during those periods of gaming droughts, and then save Crowns for the long-run so you can use them for other convenience stuff, too, from the Crown Store.
Remember, even with this comparison in mind, you still get a TON of convenience-related content available through an actual subscription to the game. So it still makes more sense to just go about being an active sub to the game than otherwise, or else you're losing out. It makes far more sense to just have your sub not auto-renew itself if you know you're not gonna be playing it as actively during a given timeframe.

Neirymn · June 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

This mindset of wanting everything for free is cancer.

If you buy a costume then why should you have to buy dyes for it or sub to change the color? That's the greedy grab crap ZOS is getting famous for.

yes and no - if you are already a subscriber it costs you absolutely nothing extra - so this new feature is basically coming for free for us subscribers - it was not there before and it does not cost us anything more then - so it is free.

I refuse to sub to this game, I buy the things I want like Orsinium (which is broken) and a couple of other smaller items. Charging to color costumes that I bought is cash grabbing. This tells me that weapon dyes will cost crowns, even though it's something that should have been in the game from the moment they planned on making end game weapons the horrible hooker lipstick red.

ZOS is really putting me off from ever buying anything from them again. I bought a $30 dlc that I can't play and these other decisions are really leaving me with a sour taste.

Shields dyeing were added not so long ago and it's for free for anyone, maybe weapons dyeing will be too. If I am correct, costumes are only available in the Crown Store but shields are not and weapons are not, so it might be free but that's only mere speculation. x)

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

The only other posts I have seen about it were resolved by restarting their systems, I have done that repeatedly for the last 4 days, as well as clear my memory and am currently reinstalling the game client.....again....

Shadesofkin · June 2016

Korozenn wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?

I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.

The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do you really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?

The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.

Looks like I need to go into full-on pricing comparison mode again:

Buying Crowns Individually vs. ESO Plus Sub:

FACTS About ESO Plus Sub
- First off, it's not $15/month if you get a longer sub, which is $13/month. The best priced option.
- You get 4,500 Crowns for the six-month sub.
- You pay approximately $78 for six months.
- You get 10% increase in Gold, Experience Points, Inspiration, and 10% Reduced Research Times.
- You get access to ALL in-game DLC while subbed.
- You get the Craft Bag, making resource management less time-consuming and intrusive on inventory/bank space.
- In Update 11, you'll be able to dye Costumes & Hats through the Dye Station using the unlocked dye achievements you have on your account.

Remember these most importantly: $78 for six months, access to all DLC, and 4,500 Crowns.

FACTS About Buying Crowns Individually
- It is ~$40 to purchase 5500 Crowns. The best priced option.
- It is ~$80 to get 11,000 Crowns.
- The price of all currently available DLC is 2500 Crowns (IC), 3000 Crowns (ORC), 2000 Crowns (TG), 2000 Crowns (DB). Let's hypothetically say this upcoming DLC dungeon pack will cost 1000 Crowns (being reasonable with pricing). That's a grand total of 10,500 Crowns to purchase all DLC, and this assumes you didn't buy the bundles, which are more expensive.
- You get none of the convenience benefits of an ESO Plus sub because, well...you're not an ESO Plus sub.

Once again, I want you to remember this: ~$80 to get 11,000 Crowns, DLC costs 10,500 in total, so you'd have 500 Crown left and have to buy more again later in the year. It doesn't sound so bad so far, does it? Well...

What You're Saving with an ESO Plus Sub
Let's do some math with this:

Purchasing Crowns:
$1 = ~143.75 Crowns on the Crown Store, therefore...
$80 = 11,000 Crowns - 10,500 Crowns for DLC = 500 Crowns Extra

ESO Plus Subscription:
$78 = 4,500 Crowns - 0 for DLC (All DLC Unlocked with ESO Plus) = 4,500 Crowns Extra

In other words, if we use the conversion that it is to normally buy Crowns off the Crown Store, with the subscription for six months (assuming you don't have it set to automatically renew) you're saving approximately $31 to buy DLC once the subscription's time lapses if you don't auto-renew.

As DLC now comes quarterly and tends to cost around ~4000-5000 Crowns on average each six months, you'd essentially have enough crowns to purchase the DLC that came out in the past six months during your subscription, or buy the future DLC coming out for the next six months, if you still want to buy DLC separately afterwards. That would be a choice up to the player. However, if you do the latter method, it is enough to keep you enjoying the game freely for another six months, assuming you did the DLC content already and don't feel compelled to go back into the game again until new content arrives. This would be saving you $31 so that you can take a break and come back later when the game gets new DLC updates.

So, in all reality, if you're someone who wants to number crunch, then the best way to go about saving money in this game is the following:

1. Buy and enjoy Tamriel Unlimited without getting the DLC or an ESO Plus subscription.
2. When you get to a point where you want to do all of the DLC content in the game, become an ESO Plus subscriber for six months. (Save ALL of the 4,500 Crowns earned after becoming a sub.)
3. After the subscription lapses, don't have it auto-renew.
4. While you won't have access to DLC you did previously, you can access new DLC using the Crowns you got from being a sub for the next six months. This is what people do as they tend to play other games as well while they play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited.
5. When your Crowns run out from purchasing DLC and the next DLC content update comes out, repeat Steps 1-5.

So don't even 'think' about comparing the two and saying that an ESO Plus sub isn't worth the money. It absolutely is. You save ~$31 while having access to numerous features that make the game much more convenient to play. You don't HAVE to be a sub all the time. People play multiple games and can't devote all their time to one game. That's why ZeniMax gives this above option to players.

Point is, if you're a number-cruncher, the five steps listed above is more for you.
If you play TESO casually, then you may consider purchasing DLC through Crowns instead.
If you play TESO actively, or just like the convenience of ESO Plus like myself, the best option for you is to subscribe.
If you don't plan on playing TESO actively for a few months (hey, it happens to all of us), you can come back later when there is more content for you and friends to trek through and re-sub to access everything again all at once, play actively again during those periods of gaming droughts, and then save Crowns for the long-run so you can use them for other convenience stuff, too, from the Crown Store.

This right here, made my day.

Lysette · June 2016

Korozenn wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?

I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.

The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do you really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?

The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.

Looks like I need to go into full-on pricing comparison mode again:

Buying Crowns Individually vs. ESO Plus Sub:

FACTS About ESO Plus Sub
- First off, it's not $15/month if you get a longer sub, which is $13/month. The best priced option.
- You get 4,500 Crowns for the six-month sub.
- You pay approximately $78 for six months.
- You get 10% increase in Gold, Experience Points, Inspiration, and 10% Reduced Research Times.
- You get access to ALL in-game DLC while subbed.
- You get the Craft Bag, making resource management less time-consuming and intrusive on inventory/bank space.
- In Update 11, you'll be able to dye Costumes & Hats through the Dye Station using the unlocked dye achievements you have on your account.

Remember these most importantly: $78 for six months, access to all DLC, and 4,500 Crowns.

FACTS About Buying Crowns Individually
- It is ~$40 to purchase 5500 Crowns. The best priced option.
- It is ~$80 to get 11,000 Crowns.
- The price of all currently available DLC is 2500 Crowns (IC), 3000 Crowns (ORC), 2000 Crowns (TG), 2000 Crowns (DB). Let's hypothetically say this upcoming DLC dungeon pack will cost 1000 Crowns (being reasonable with pricing). That's a grand total of 10,500 Crowns to purchase all DLC, and this assumes you didn't buy the bundles, which are more expensive.
- You get none of the convenience benefits of an ESO Plus sub because, well...you're not an ESO Plus sub.

Once again, I want you to remember this: ~$80 to get 11,000 Crowns, DLC costs 10,500 in total, so you'd have 500 Crown left and have to buy more again later in the year. It doesn't sound so bad so far, does it? Well...

What You're Saving with an ESO Plus Sub
Let's do some math with this:

Purchasing Crowns:
$1 = ~143.75 Crowns on the Crown Store, therefore...
$80 = 11,000 Crowns - 10,500 Crowns for DLC = 500 Crowns Extra

ESO Plus Subscription:
$78 = 4,500 Crowns - 0 for DLC (All DLC Unlocked with ESO Plus) = 4,500 Crowns Extra

In other words, if we use the conversion that it is to normally buy Crowns off the Crown Store, with the subscription for six months (assuming you don't have it set to automatically renew) you're saving approximately $31 to buy DLC once the subscription's time lapses if you don't auto-renew.

As DLC now comes quarterly and tends to cost around ~4000-5000 Crowns on average each six months, you'd essentially have enough crowns to purchase the DLC that came out in the past six months during your subscription, or buy the future DLC coming out for the next six months, if you still want to buy DLC separately afterwards. That would be a choice up to the player. However, if you do the latter method, it is enough to keep you enjoying the game freely for another six months, assuming you did the DLC content already and don't feel compelled to go back into the game again until new content arrives. This would be saving you $31 so that you can take a break and come back later when the game gets new DLC updates.

So, in all reality, if you're someone who wants to number crunch, then the best way to go about saving money in this game is the following:

1. Buy and enjoy Tamriel Unlimited without getting the DLC or an ESO Plus subscription.
2. When you get to a point where you want to do all of the DLC content in the game, become an ESO Plus subscriber for six months. (Save ALL of the 4,500 Crowns earned after becoming a sub.)
3. After the subscription lapses, don't have it auto-renew.
4. While you won't have access to DLC you did previously, you can access new DLC using the Crowns you got from being a sub for the next six months. This is what people do as they tend to play other games as well while they play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited.
5. When your Crowns run out from purchasing DLC and the next DLC content update comes out, repeat Steps 1-5.

So don't even 'think' about comparing the two and saying that an ESO Plus sub isn't worth the money. It absolutely is. You save ~$31 while having access to numerous features that make the game much more convenient to play. You don't HAVE to be a sub all the time. People play multiple games and can't devote all their time to one game. That's why ZeniMax gives this above option to players.

Point is, if you're a number-cruncher, the five steps listed above is more for you.
If you play TESO casually, then you may consider purchasing DLC through Crowns instead.
If you play TESO actively, or just like the convenience of ESO Plus like myself, the best option for you is to subscribe.
If you don't plan on playing TESO actively for a few months (hey, it happens to all of us), you can come back later when there is more content for you and friends to trek through and re-sub to access everything again all at once, play actively again during those periods of gaming droughts, and then save Crowns for the long-run so you can use them for other convenience stuff, too, from the Crown Store.

you get actually 9000 crowns for 6-months - 6x1500=9000

waterfairy · June 2016

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I may have missed parts of ESO Plus from being on an airplane but did I hear and see right that ESO plus is required or crown store purchased dyes that rotate on and off the store @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What happened to Matt F no sub required statements with ESO plus?
Crafting bags and now this.....when are you going to fix ESO plus for Xbox one.

It costs money to keep the game running.

They're making plenty already, no need to be greedy and charge to color clothes...that's ridiculous.

Rockstar steadily releases free updates for GTA Online that offers new content and they even offer an extra reward of free items for your character if you log in during the 1st week of the update as an extra fan service to those who stay active. The only thing they sell is cash cards and they've kept up to date with their online game for a few years now.

I'm pro-profit so I can't say I blame them.

That being said, I find it fascinating that so many people are upset about something cosmetic. I guess that's just how it is, it's something players wanted and now they feel like it's being gated (It is, but I'm ok with that because I benefit).

I'm more upset with the way they operate then the specific costume coloring.
They show that they care more about the profit then the player on so many things that I won't even attempt to list or discuss it here. It's sad how they have my most beloved gaming franchise in the name of the game...ZOS tarnishes it.

If they were more appreciative/respectful of us then I would gladly sub to this game and show support. As it stands now, I don't even want to buy anything else from them because the price is never right and the quality doesn't match the cost.

I don't wanna rant again, it's meaningless.

Acrolas · June 2016

I'm still waiting for a really good answer as to why, if I were to pay 2,000 crowns for the upcoming Breton Hero costume, why I should have to pay $15 on top of that to get a crack at customizing it beyond the original colors the same way ZOS already customized it beyond the original cinematic design.

Or even the 1,000 crown costumes.
Or even the 700 crown costume sets.
None of them were free to begin with. They all exceed the complimentary 500 crowns that come with the game.

Nobody's even mentioning that while they were dying the toxin doctor costume in some pretty terrible colors, the new tentacle *** beard was clipping through the costume. And you can't even dye the hair or beards, which just seems like common sense to implement since new elements are likely to clash with the old.

I gave all the *** I have to give at the beginning of this thread. And with very little actual progress left in the game at this point, they're not convincing me to sub. Especially when I know damn well that they don't need subscriptions to survive. They're running this game on credit with fixed usage rates. Their target operating numbers aren't difficult.

I didn't subscribe to WOW because it costs them 1.1 cents per player per day to maintain their product. 33 cents per month. They charge $15 because they managed to get people to value a subscription at $15 a month.

Saying it's 50 cents a day would just be bull *** myself.

Ashtaris · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I may have missed parts of ESO Plus from being on an airplane but did I hear and see right that ESO plus is required or crown store purchased dyes that rotate on and off the store @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What happened to Matt F no sub required statements with ESO plus?
Crafting bags and now this.....when are you going to fix ESO plus for Xbox one.

So let me get this straight. You howled at the moon for ZOS not offering the crafting bags through the crown store. Now they are offering the dye station access through the crown store and you're still howling! Oooookay

Ep1kMalware · June 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I may have missed parts of ESO Plus from being on an airplane but did I hear and see right that ESO plus is required or crown store purchased dyes that rotate on and off the store @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What happened to Matt F no sub required statements with ESO plus?
Crafting bags and now this.....when are you going to fix ESO plus for Xbox one.

It costs money to keep the game running.

They're making plenty already, no need to be greedy and charge to color clothes...that's ridiculous.

Rockstar steadily releases free updates for GTA Online that offers new content and they even offer an extra reward of free items for your character if you log in during the 1st week of the update as an extra fan service to those who stay active. The only thing they sell is cash cards and they've kept up to date with their online game for a few years now.

I'm pro-profit so I can't say I blame them.

That being said, I find it fascinating that so many people are upset about something cosmetic. I guess that's just how it is, it's something players wanted and now they feel like it's being gated (It is, but I'm ok with that because I benefit).

I'm more upset with the way they operate then the specific costume coloring.
They show that they care more about the profit then the player on so many things that I won't even attempt to list or discuss it here. It's sad how they have my most beloved gaming franchise in the name of the game...ZOS tarnishes it.

If they were more appreciative/respectful of us then I would gladly sub to this game and show support. As it stands now, I don't even want to buy anything else from them because the price is never right and the quality doesn't match the cost.

I don't wanna rant again, it's meaningless.

dude whatever, people are mad that dlc content cost money too. Okay, so it'll probably cost a trivial amount of crown, probably 1-200, big deal. Considering they went out of their way to give us something we had specifically asked for, I think it's kinda fitting.

Sofar this update has gone a long distance to show the community thay they listen. stop qqing.

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm still waiting for a really good answer as to why, if I were to pay 2,000 crowns for the upcoming Breton Hero costume, why I should have to pay $15 on top of that to get a crack at customizing it beyond the original colors the same way ZOS already customized it beyond the original cinematic design.

Because everyone else does, too.

Nobody's even mentioning that while they were dying the toxin doctor costume in some pretty terrible colors, the new tentacle *** beard was clipping through the costume.

Oh no! A bug in a feature which hasn't even made it to PTS!

Korozenn · June 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Korozenn wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

ADarklore wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?

I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.

The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do you really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?

The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.

Looks like I need to go into full-on pricing comparison mode again:

Buying Crowns Individually vs. ESO Plus Sub:

FACTS About ESO Plus Sub
- First off, it's not $15/month if you get a longer sub, which is $13/month. The best priced option.
- You get 4,500 Crowns for the six-month sub.
- You pay approximately $78 for six months.
- You get 10% increase in Gold, Experience Points, Inspiration, and 10% Reduced Research Times.
- You get access to ALL in-game DLC while subbed.
- You get the Craft Bag, making resource management less time-consuming and intrusive on inventory/bank space.
- In Update 11, you'll be able to dye Costumes & Hats through the Dye Station using the unlocked dye achievements you have on your account.

Remember these most importantly: $78 for six months, access to all DLC, and 4,500 Crowns.

FACTS About Buying Crowns Individually
- It is ~$40 to purchase 5500 Crowns. The best priced option.
- It is ~$80 to get 11,000 Crowns.
- The price of all currently available DLC is 2500 Crowns (IC), 3000 Crowns (ORC), 2000 Crowns (TG), 2000 Crowns (DB). Let's hypothetically say this upcoming DLC dungeon pack will cost 1000 Crowns (being reasonable with pricing). That's a grand total of 10,500 Crowns to purchase all DLC, and this assumes you didn't buy the bundles, which are more expensive.
- You get none of the convenience benefits of an ESO Plus sub because, well...you're not an ESO Plus sub.

Once again, I want you to remember this: ~$80 to get 11,000 Crowns, DLC costs 10,500 in total, so you'd have 500 Crown left and have to buy more again later in the year. It doesn't sound so bad so far, does it? Well...

What You're Saving with an ESO Plus Sub
Let's do some math with this:

Purchasing Crowns:
$1 = ~143.75 Crowns on the Crown Store, therefore...
$80 = 11,000 Crowns - 10,500 Crowns for DLC = 500 Crowns Extra

ESO Plus Subscription:
$78 = 4,500 Crowns - 0 for DLC (All DLC Unlocked with ESO Plus) = 4,500 Crowns Extra

In other words, if we use the conversion that it is to normally buy Crowns off the Crown Store, with the subscription for six months (assuming you don't have it set to automatically renew) you're saving approximately $31 to buy DLC once the subscription's time lapses if you don't auto-renew.

As DLC now comes quarterly and tends to cost around ~4000-5000 Crowns on average each six months, you'd essentially have enough crowns to purchase the DLC that came out in the past six months during your subscription, or buy the future DLC coming out for the next six months, if you still want to buy DLC separately afterwards. That would be a choice up to the player. However, if you do the latter method, it is enough to keep you enjoying the game freely for another six months, assuming you did the DLC content already and don't feel compelled to go back into the game again until new content arrives. This would be saving you $31 so that you can take a break and come back later when the game gets new DLC updates.

So, in all reality, if you're someone who wants to number crunch, then the best way to go about saving money in this game is the following:

1. Buy and enjoy Tamriel Unlimited without getting the DLC or an ESO Plus subscription.
2. When you get to a point where you want to do all of the DLC content in the game, become an ESO Plus subscriber for six months. (Save ALL of the 4,500 Crowns earned after becoming a sub.)
3. After the subscription lapses, don't have it auto-renew.
4. While you won't have access to DLC you did previously, you can access new DLC using the Crowns you got from being a sub for the next six months. This is what people do as they tend to play other games as well while they play The Elder Scrolls Online: Tamriel Unlimited.
5. When your Crowns run out from purchasing DLC and the next DLC content update comes out, repeat Steps 1-5.

So don't even 'think' about comparing the two and saying that an ESO Plus sub isn't worth the money. It absolutely is. You save ~$31 while having access to numerous features that make the game much more convenient to play. You don't HAVE to be a sub all the time. People play multiple games and can't devote all their time to one game. That's why ZeniMax gives this above option to players.

Point is, if you're a number-cruncher, the five steps listed above is more for you.
If you play TESO casually, then you may consider purchasing DLC through Crowns instead.
If you play TESO actively, or just like the convenience of ESO Plus like myself, the best option for you is to subscribe.
If you don't plan on playing TESO actively for a few months (hey, it happens to all of us), you can come back later when there is more content for you and friends to trek through and re-sub to access everything again all at once, play actively again during those periods of gaming droughts, and then save Crowns for the long-run so you can use them for other convenience stuff, too, from the Crown Store.

you get actually 9000 crowns for 6-months - 6x1500=9000

Woops. I had it there before because it was what I recalled, looked it up, read it wrong, and changed the number to that. Will edit that back to 9000 Crowns.

That just makes my point stand even more. You actually save enough Crowns from one six month sub to buy enough DLC to last you a year.

waterfairy · June 2016

Korozenn wrote: »

Remember these most importantly: $78 for six months, access to all DLC, and 4,500 Crowns.

That would mean that it would cost you $156 for 9000 crowns while you rent the game for it's extra bonuses (craft bag, xp, etc.)
It would cost you about $200 worth of rent to be able to actually buy all the DLC, as opposed to spending $80 and owning it all. Subbing may be "better" if you like all the other stuff associated with it but it's certainly not cheaper then buying crown packs and owning the dlc.

Lysette · June 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

I'm still waiting for a really good answer as to why, if I were to pay 2,000 crowns for the upcoming Breton Hero costume, why I should have to pay $15 on top of that to get a crack at customizing it beyond the original colors the same way ZOS already customized it beyond the original cinematic design.

Or even the 1,000 crown costumes.
Or even the 700 crown costume sets.
None of them were free to begin with. They all exceed the complimentary 500 crowns that come with the game.

Nobody's even mentioning that while they were dying the toxin doctor costume in some pretty terrible colors, the new tentacle *** beard was clipping through the costume. And you can't even dye the hair or beards, which just seems like common sense to implement since new elements are likely to clash with the old.

I gave all the *** I have to give at the beginning of this thread. And with very little actual progress left in the game at this point, they're not convincing me to sub. Especially when I know damn well that they don't need subscriptions to survive. They're running this game on credit with fixed usage rates. Their target operating numbers aren't difficult.

I didn't subscribe to WOW because it costs them 1.1 cents per player per day to maintain their product. 33 cents per month. They charge $15 because they managed to get people to value a subscription at $15 a month.

Saying it's 50 cents a day would just be bull *** myself.

Well, why do you buy a jeans for 70 dollars which cost just 3.50 to produce and ship to your country - you don't complain about that as well - it is just how businesses work - they are supposed to make profit and not too less of it.

waterfairy · June 2016

Ep1kMalware wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Shadesofkin wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

Ackwalan wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I may have missed parts of ESO Plus from being on an airplane but did I hear and see right that ESO plus is required or crown store purchased dyes that rotate on and off the store @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

What happened to Matt F no sub required statements with ESO plus?
Crafting bags and now this.....when are you going to fix ESO plus for Xbox one.

It costs money to keep the game running.

They're making plenty already, no need to be greedy and charge to color clothes...that's ridiculous.

Rockstar steadily releases free updates for GTA Online that offers new content and they even offer an extra reward of free items for your character if you log in during the 1st week of the update as an extra fan service to those who stay active. The only thing they sell is cash cards and they've kept up to date with their online game for a few years now.

I'm pro-profit so I can't say I blame them.

That being said, I find it fascinating that so many people are upset about something cosmetic. I guess that's just how it is, it's something players wanted and now they feel like it's being gated (It is, but I'm ok with that because I benefit).

I'm more upset with the way they operate then the specific costume coloring.
They show that they care more about the profit then the player on so many things that I won't even attempt to list or discuss it here. It's sad how they have my most beloved gaming franchise in the name of the game...ZOS tarnishes it.

If they were more appreciative/respectful of us then I would gladly sub to this game and show support. As it stands now, I don't even want to buy anything else from them because the price is never right and the quality doesn't match the cost.

I don't wanna rant again, it's meaningless.

dude whatever, people are mad that dlc content cost money too. Okay, so it'll probably cost a trivial amount of crown, probably 1-200, big deal. Considering they went out of their way to give us something we had specifically asked for, I think it's kinda fitting.

Sofar this update has gone a long distance to show the community thay they listen. stop qqing.

They're not giving us anything, they're selling us. Unlike other companies that actually appreciate their fans and will give things for free, the only thing that ZOS has given us was cake.
I don't expect item gifts from them, I'm content with crafting bags being a sub perk, but when they start charging $ for colors on costumes that they already overcharge for (1000 for 1 costume) is bad practice and disrespectful to their players.

Towerdragon · June 2016

Next your going to be complaining that ESO plus members get 1500 crowns a month?

Ep1kMalware · June 2016

People feel entitled to dlc because they bought basegame, people feel entitled to modifying costumes for free because they bought the origional. whatever, don't like it don't pay it. Want to go that extra mile for your toon's appearance, now it's an OPTION(al choice)

good on you zos, I for one an stoked about this update.

Lysette · June 2016

Vigarr wrote: »

Korozenn wrote: »

Remember these most importantly: $78 for six months, access to all DLC, and 4,500 Crowns.

That would mean that it would cost you $156 for 9000 crowns while you rent the game for it's extra bonuses (craft bag, xp, etc.)
It would cost you about $200 worth of rent to be able to actually buy all the DLC, as opposed to spending $80 and owning it all. Subbing may be "better" if you like all the other stuff associated with it but it's certainly not cheaper then buying crown packs and owning the dlc.

If you see it long term it is cheaper - I showed that a couple of times in threads with a 3-year plan - it is by far cheaper to subscribe, if and only if, you would spend the same amount of crowns, which you get with the subscription, as well as a non-sujbscriber on other stuff than DLCs - to really compare it, you have to spend it on the same things - not make a milk maid calculation. Because that what you spend on DLCs is not giving you the same content access during that time. You have still to calculate as well that, what the subscriber spend on other things than DLCs - and then subscription is by far cheaper.

That you own DLCs when you buy it, does not make a difference - because if you stop playing, you have neither with one nor the other access to it anymore.

Avalon · June 2016

Only question I have, is will I be able to dye the 'robes' on my skeleton polymorph (cadaverous assassin)?