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Wow costume dyes require crown store or ESO plus ?
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Towerdragon✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry. over the course of 2 years i have paid almost $400 i dont feel cheatedEdited by Towerdragon on June 24, 2016 11:03PM1 -
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✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
First of all you weren't conned into anything. Second of all if you start subbing now you will gain access to all future DLC. Why do so many people assume that the instant they purchase a DLC they can never sub or they wasted money?1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
That is why I suggest many times in many threads, do the right thing - stop loss - if it hurts, don't let it continue hurting you. Just take the hit and subscribe, it will not get better if you don't, it will just hurt you even more over time - stop loss.
Extremely true Lysette!! After all, there haven't been that many DLCs released and they continue to add more benefits for ESO+... so stop buying DLCs and start subscribing to get the benefits.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
Sunken cost.
Also, consider that up to the point when you start subbing you were able to play these dlcs for all of these months for cheaper than the ESO+ subscribers.
Also², although you paid less for the DLCs than a subscriber that subbed for the DLCs since IC was released, you will retain your DLCs if you stop subbing while a subscriber will not, unless they bought it too.
Also³, you can buy one month of subscription when you feel like buying crowns, dye all your costumes and unsub.Edited by Abeille on June 24, 2016 11:06PMJust so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
Let's clarify that's it's not a problem on any crown purchases as that is up to the individual, however, I do have a problem with being locked out of my unlocked dyes that do work on armor but not on my purchased or unlocked costumes.
Specifically based on Matt F previous dialogue on Tamriel Unlimited and the unresolved issues with Xbox One ESO Plus.
This has nothing to do with asking for anything for free. Just need to clarify this up front.
I see a lot of assumptions being made out of context. It's as simple as ZOS offering some of this from crown purchases on Xbox one cause of the issues and also not offering ESO plus over 30 days.
Actually, the Crown Store dye kits will include dyes that are not required to be unlocked. They said it won't include any rare dyes, but there won't be any requirement to have a dye color unlocked before it can be used via the purchased dye packs.
@ADarklore
I think you're missing the context. ....
-previously unlocked dyes require a payment method ESO Plus (YES) - focus is here
-other dyes require a payment method via crowns (YES) - no issues here
-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
Let's clarify that's it's not a problem on any crown purchases as that is up to the individual, however, I do have a problem with being locked out of my unlocked dyes that do work on armor but not on my purchased or unlocked costumes.
Specifically based on Matt F previous dialogue on Tamriel Unlimited and the unresolved issues with Xbox One ESO Plus.
This has nothing to do with asking for anything for free. Just need to clarify this up front.
I see a lot of assumptions being made out of context. It's as simple as ZOS offering some of this from crown purchases on Xbox one cause of the issues and also not offering ESO plus over 30 days.
I was under the impression that this was part of the Barbershop DLC which is not a base game updateEdited by FLuFFyxMuFFiN on June 24, 2016 11:03PM0 -
Aimora✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
How Screwed - I have a sub - buy the DLC's and buy crowns, I love the game and want to support it - I don't see how someone who buys the DLC's are screwed? Yes if you have a sub you get access, but often for me I want the mount and the pet so buying the collectors bundle means the DLC usually ends up costing only 500-700 crowns, I then have the DLC if I ever unsub (highly unlikely with all the great new perks though) plus I benefit from the crafting bags and the new perks that we will be getting, the whole I bought the DLC's so will be worse off if I sub mentality I just don't get.Edited by Aimora on June 24, 2016 11:07PMAimora Gilidhren - 50 Hybrid Sorcerer
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✭✭✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry.
Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?#CAREBEARMASTERRACE2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
Let's clarify that's it's not a problem on any crown purchases as that is up to the individual, however, I do have a problem with being locked out of my unlocked dyes that do work on armor but not on my purchased or unlocked costumes.
Specifically based on Matt F previous dialogue on Tamriel Unlimited and the unresolved issues with Xbox One ESO Plus.
This has nothing to do with asking for anything for free. Just need to clarify this up front.
I see a lot of assumptions being made out of context. It's as simple as ZOS offering some of this from crown purchases on Xbox one cause of the issues and also not offering ESO plus over 30 days.
Actually, the Crown Store dye kits will include dyes that are not required to be unlocked. They said it won't include any rare dyes, but there won't be any requirement to have a dye color unlocked before it can be used via the purchased dye packs.
@ADarklore
I think you're missing the context. ....
-previously unlocked dyes require a payment method ESO Plus (YES) - focus is here
-other dyes require a payment method via crowns (YES) - no issues here
I realize where you focus is, however, your statement about the Crown dye pack was incorrect... so I corrected your statement. Now refresh us all on the exact problem you have with ESO+ on console... how is it not working and how has customer support not been able to help resolve the issue?CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭✭✭✭✭Lieblingsjunge wrote: »To have more inventory space is good in itself - having even more of it and with automatic features on top of it is even better - so bonus is a totally correct term for it.
Costume dyes are good as well in itself - and to be able to have even more freedom to do that, is even better - so this is as well a bonus and the term is correctly used.
*facepalm*
Definition again:
"something welcome and often unexpected that accompanies and enhances something that is itself good."
The crafting bag and costume dyes accompany and enhance what? Systems that aren't adequate on their own.
They're not bonuses to good systems in the game. They're locked features, which is not what ESO+ was for beyond access to game packs.
But whatever. I'll grab a game card for 60 cents with a gift card and the elitist half of this community can go *** itself for all eternity.
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✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
Let's clarify that's it's not a problem on any crown purchases as that is up to the individual, however, I do have a problem with being locked out of my unlocked dyes that do work on armor but not on my purchased or unlocked costumes.
Specifically based on Matt F previous dialogue on Tamriel Unlimited and the unresolved issues with Xbox One ESO Plus.
This has nothing to do with asking for anything for free. Just need to clarify this up front.
I see a lot of assumptions being made out of context. It's as simple as ZOS offering some of this from crown purchases on Xbox one cause of the issues and also not offering ESO plus over 30 days.
I was under the impression that this was part of the Barbershop DLC which is not a base game update
Nah it is not - you do not have to have access to the DLC in order to do that - so it is a base game update.0 -
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✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
I could say the exact same thing about my Sub if i drop my sub I lose access to all content (so that makes my sub worthless?) i dont understand your gripe sorry.
Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
No issue there because you will be paying to rent all future content. Just consider what you own to be part of the base game now and all future DLC to be part of the sub.2 -
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.
I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.
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✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
Let's clarify that's it's not a problem on any crown purchases as that is up to the individual, however, I do have a problem with being locked out of my unlocked dyes that do work on armor but not on my purchased or unlocked costumes.
Specifically based on Matt F previous dialogue on Tamriel Unlimited and the unresolved issues with Xbox One ESO Plus.
This has nothing to do with asking for anything for free. Just need to clarify this up front.
I see a lot of assumptions being made out of context. It's as simple as ZOS offering some of this from crown purchases on Xbox one cause of the issues and also not offering ESO plus over 30 days.
I was under the impression that this was part of the Barbershop DLC which is not a base game update
Nah it is not - you do not have to have access to the DLC in order to do that - so it is a base game update.
Ah nvm I was just thinking of the new hair styles and stuff that you have to buy0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
Let's clarify that's it's not a problem on any crown purchases as that is up to the individual, however, I do have a problem with being locked out of my unlocked dyes that do work on armor but not on my purchased or unlocked costumes.
Specifically based on Matt F previous dialogue on Tamriel Unlimited and the unresolved issues with Xbox One ESO Plus.
This has nothing to do with asking for anything for free. Just need to clarify this up front.
I see a lot of assumptions being made out of context. It's as simple as ZOS offering some of this from crown purchases on Xbox one cause of the issues and also not offering ESO plus over 30 days.
I was under the impression that this was part of the Barbershop DLC which is not a base game update
Nope.
Barbershop is not in-game.
Dyes are just in-game-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
First of all you weren't conned into anything. Second of all if you start subbing now you will gain access to all future DLC. Why do so many people assume that the instant they purchase a DLC they can never sub or they wasted money?
You don't think calling something "Unlimited" and then, months later, adding a bunch of limits to it is a bit of a scam? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you....
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
How Screwed - I have a sub - buy the DLC's and buy crowns, I love the game and want to support it - I don't see how someone who buys the DLC's are screwed? Yes if you have a sub you get access, but often for me I want the mount and the pet so buying the collectors bundle means the DLC usually ends up costing only 500-700 crowns, I then have the DLC if I ever unsub (highly unlikely with all the great new perks though) plus I benefit from the crafting bags and the new perks that we will be getting, the whole I bought the DLC's so will be worse off if I sub mentality I just don't get.
Some people will see your decision to do both - buy DLC and sub - as paying double for the same content - even if you just can use it once.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.
I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.
@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on June 24, 2016 11:11PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
Let's clarify that's it's not a problem on any crown purchases as that is up to the individual, however, I do have a problem with being locked out of my unlocked dyes that do work on armor but not on my purchased or unlocked costumes.
Specifically based on Matt F previous dialogue on Tamriel Unlimited and the unresolved issues with Xbox One ESO Plus.
This has nothing to do with asking for anything for free. Just need to clarify this up front.
I see a lot of assumptions being made out of context. It's as simple as ZOS offering some of this from crown purchases on Xbox one cause of the issues and also not offering ESO plus over 30 days.
I was under the impression that this was part of the Barbershop DLC which is not a base game update
Nah it is not - you do not have to have access to the DLC in order to do that - so it is a base game update.
Ah nvm I was just thinking of the new hair styles and stuff that you have to buy
It is nevertheless base game content, it is just not free - you do not have to have DLC access to use those hairstyles - but you have to buy them on the crown store.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »You don't think calling something "Unlimited" and then, months later, adding a bunch of limits to it is a bit of a scam? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you....
I would call that a mistake on your part for making the assumption that a game title actually means 'everything in the game is free'. I think they actually meant 'Unlimited' as in that subscriptions will no longer be required to play the game itself, it had nothing to do with the future content and what they planned to add for additional revenue in the future.Edited by ADarklore on June 24, 2016 11:12PMCP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.
I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.
@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.
I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?
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✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
First of all you weren't conned into anything. Second of all if you start subbing now you will gain access to all future DLC. Why do so many people assume that the instant they purchase a DLC they can never sub or they wasted money?
You don't think calling something "Unlimited" and then, months later, adding a bunch of limits to it is a bit of a scam? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you....
Where are these limits? What is the advantage I have over you? Seriously you would think the E in ESO stands for Entitlement now.Edited by FLuFFyxMuFFiN on June 24, 2016 11:15PM2 -
Towerdragon✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
First of all you weren't conned into anything. Second of all if you start subbing now you will gain access to all future DLC. Why do so many people assume that the instant they purchase a DLC they can never sub or they wasted money?
You don't think calling something "Unlimited" and then, months later, adding a bunch of limits to it is a bit of a scam? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you....
go play SWToR if you really want to see how bad a game can be. paying for Ability bars things like that
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✭Emma_Overload wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
First of all you weren't conned into anything. Second of all if you start subbing now you will gain access to all future DLC. Why do so many people assume that the instant they purchase a DLC they can never sub or they wasted money?
You don't think calling something "Unlimited" and then, months later, adding a bunch of limits to it is a bit of a scam? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you....
No limits have been added to your DLC.
In fact, you're still getting more; just less more than subscribers.
Edited by ShedsHisTail on June 24, 2016 11:15PM"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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Aimora✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
How Screwed - I have a sub - buy the DLC's and buy crowns, I love the game and want to support it - I don't see how someone who buys the DLC's are screwed? Yes if you have a sub you get access, but often for me I want the mount and the pet so buying the collectors bundle means the DLC usually ends up costing only 500-700 crowns, I then have the DLC if I ever unsub (highly unlikely with all the great new perks though) plus I benefit from the crafting bags and the new perks that we will be getting, the whole I bought the DLC's so will be worse off if I sub mentality I just don't get.
Some people will see your decision to do both - buy DLC and sub - as paying double for the same content - even if you just can use it once.
Maybe, but I get the crowns from the sub anyway and as I say I usually want the mount and pet also. it secures my ever being in a position to not be able to sub to being able to enjoy the content, plus I feel without subs and people investing in the game, eventually it will cease to be This whole situation is about personal perception in any case, and how people perceive the value of something.
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✭I'm really happy to see it a perk of subbing. It's an entirely cosmetic thing, you can't even make the argument that it's got an impact on your ability to play the way that some tried to argue crafting bags.3 -
Korozenn✭✭✭✭I mean, a lot of us did the whole pricing mechanism before and warned people who tried to say that buying Crowns separately (outside of a sub) to purchase DLC would be something they would regret doing if they wanted to play 'all' of the DLC the game has as well as experiencing the benefits the game has to offer for a nominal monthly fee by comparison.
An ESO Plus subscription is in truth far less expensive than the amount of money you would have to continually shell out to play all of the DLC that is coming to this game quarterly compounded on top of other benefits the subscription gives people. That's how it's supposed to be.
When you buy a bundle of goodness, it's supposed to be priced cheaper than it would be otherwise separately. Otherwise, what's the point of purchasing a bundle? The point is that ZeniMax Online Studios wants to encourage people to become an ESO Plus subscriber because that is the way they make a consistent stream of revenue---not the Crown Store as much. It's why it makes more sense for them to approach ways of making ESO Plus a sub for convenience than anything else.
It's optional. If you don't want the sub, you don't need it. You can still buy all of the DLC, extra bank/character space, a merchant, a banker, and unlock a fence as well.4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.
The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do you really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?
The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.
Edited by Emma_Overload on June 24, 2016 11:17PM#CAREBEARMASTERRACE5
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