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Wow costume dyes require crown store or ESO plus ?
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »I have subbed for 2 years I should getz all the DLCz for Free
No one said anything about free. I bought all of the DLC. Then I find out about the bag after. Why is paying $12 a month worthy of getting the royal treatment when there are people like me who bought and paid for all the DLC, assistants and mounts.
You have a trolling way about you with your renting mentality. Keep apologizing for your master.
The easiest solution is to stop selling the DLC and go back to the subscription model. At least then I don't feel like I'm being cheated by double dipping scammers.
The reason is, that a company is interested into income now and in future, what was in the past is irrelevant, that was and is earned already. Relevant is just what can be earned now and in future. So basically if you bring the argument, I have bought all already and paid for such a long time - that means for a company, that guy is milked already, not much will be coming out of him anymore - he is irrelevant. just not, if they can make even more with him - then he might get an incentive - but if that is not to be expected, don't count on it. Whereas a new player, has nothing and needs all, that is a potential customer, especially if he is casual, will buy stuff to make his small amount of time to play worthwhile and he might subscribe as well, to be able to make full use of that time he has to play. And he is not likely to cause lag, be a drain on the servers or complain much on the forums - those are the ones, who are in the interest of a company.
That is basically why ZOS does what it does.Edited by Lysette on June 25, 2016 2:15AM0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »"Can't use crafting bag without a sub" is massive limitation, especially if you do a TON of crafting like I do.
Well, you can buy more character slots and create extra mules, you can increase the inventory spaces of all those characters... is it a pain, yes, but it's also a SOLUTION. You're blaming ZOS for how you are CHOOSING to play the game, they're not forcing you to be a crafter, they're not forcing you to be a horder, you have options and solutions but instead you want to complain about what you don't have instead of what you DO have. If crafting means so much to you, then subscribe and never buy another DLC.
Oh please! The arrogance in you is like nails down a chalk board.They create the problem and then create the solution. Why even sell the DLC then?
I say drop the subscription and give it all to the DLC sales.What is the difference if you buy the DLC or subscribe. However buying the DLC was never portrayed as the economy way of playing the game.
Yes I know, it's awful arrogant of me to point out that players are making the problems and looking to ZOS for the solution, not themselves. The fact is, inventory is NOT a problem for the overwhelming majority of players, those playing since beta have found numerous ways to overcome the obstacles... and again, you are talking about the DLC, but crafting bags were NOT PART OF the DLC, they were part of the game patch... you don't pay for the game patch so your point is moot. Just because it dropped at the same time does not mean it is inclusive... I think I've explained this before but it must have been the 'nails on the chalk board' that distracted you. You got everything the DLC had to offer, but you didn't get the 'exclusive to ESO+' additional PATCH content because you're not a member.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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Towerdragon✭✭✭The easiest solution is to stop selling the DLC and go back to the subscription model. At least then I don't feel like I'm being cheated by double dipping scammers.
I personally and i know a lot of ESO plus members wouldn't be against this idea
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »
Well, it is going into this direction anyway - without to force it on people, so no need to change anything in the matter. With a subscription only model would come entitlement to get all the content with the subscription. ZOS is better off to leave it as it is, because they can charge for stuff, which is otherwise to be expected as included content, in the crown store. And I am thinking of my russian friend with it as well, he could not continue to play ESO with a subscription only model.
I play a subscription only game - EVE online - and basically all content is included with it - just not cosmetic things in the cash shop. Those are quite high priced, but they can be obtained with ingame currency as well.Edited by Lysette on June 25, 2016 2:26AM0 -
Towerdragon✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »
Well, it is going into this direction anyway - without to force it on people, so no need to change anything in the matter. With a subscription only model would come entitlement to get all the content with the subscription. ZOS is better off to leave it as it is, because they can charge for stuff, which is otherwise to be expected as included content, in the crown store.
I totally agree with you more people to play with is a good thing i get value out of my monthly sub and thats all that i care about.Edited by Towerdragon on June 25, 2016 2:22AM2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »
eh, sorry, that was not my comment - would you please address it to the person who made it.0 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »
Well, it is going into this direction anyway - without to force it on people, so no need to change anything in the matter. With a subscription only model would come entitlement to get all the content with the subscription. ZOS is better off to leave it as it is, because they can charge for stuff, which is otherwise to be expected as included content, in the crown store.
I totally agree with you more people to play with is a good thing i get value out of my monthly sub and thats all that i care about.
Yes, and i really enjoy to have some russian friends here as well - it can just be good, when relations like this create bridges between members of nations, which had a problem with each other in the past - even if those are virtual relations, the people behind it are real - it would be sad, if those friends could not continue playing.0 -
SwaminoNowlino✭✭✭✭✭@NewBlacksmurf you keep making these blanket statements about ESO+ not working on Xbox in, I don't know, maybe 30 threads now. I've never had an issue with ESO+ and the 50 or so subs I know have never had an issue.
Now I have cancelled my sub over the crappy communication and customer service. I'll re-up when they commit to fixing the game. But please quit with your blanket statement of ESO+ not working on Xbox. You're actually the only person I've ever seen regularly complain about it, so it may be an issue on your end mate.Xbox NA : CP 160 StamPlar, MagNB, MagSorc, StamSorc, StamDK, StamNB, Level 10 MagDK & MagPlar, StamWarden, MagWarden
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ZOS_KaiSchoberadminEp1kMalware wrote: »dude whatever, people are mad that dlc content cost money too. Okay, so it'll probably cost a trivial amount of crown, probably 1-200, big deal. Considering they went out of their way to give us something we had specifically asked for, I think it's kinda fitting.
Sofar this update has gone a long distance to show the community thay they listen. stop qqing.
They're not giving us anything, they're selling us. Unlike other companies that actually appreciate their fans and will give things for free, the only thing that ZOS has given us was cake.
I don't expect item gifts from them, I'm content with crafting bags being a sub perk, but when they start charging $ for colors on costumes that they already overcharge for (1000 for 1 costume) is bad practice and disrespectful to their players.
The loyalty rewards that come with each DLC - like the new personality coming with Shadows of the Hist - have no other reason than showing our appreciation for you either buying the DLC or being an ESO Plus member. You can argue that these are not exactly "for free" since they are linked to a DLC achievement but they are nothing that we have to do - we don't even advertise them that much.
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✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »arkansas_ESO wrote: »I already pay for the costumes, so why should I have to pay extra to customize them?
You don't have to as a subscriber - that is all what I can say to it.
If I subscribed, I'd be paying extra to customize the costumes that I already bought. Granted, there's other benefits for subbing, but, still, I'm paying extra to customize the stuff that I've already bought. It's just too much in my opinion.
no, i am not paying anything extra - I had to pay subscription before there was the option to dye costumes and I will have not a dime more when it will arrive - so it does not cost me anything extra - same price, but an extra feature more.
You made the decision to buy a non-dyable costume, and that is what you got, and what I got as well. Now there is a new feature, which is limited and costs extra for those non-subscribed, but is free for those who are subscribers - given that we have to pay as well, if we would want the stamp for a given color set, where we might not have the color for already.
So if you look at it like that, you got something extra for free as well - namely the option to dye a so far undyable costume. That feature does not come for free, but the option comes for free. I mean, it could be worse for you, it could be an ESO+ exclusive like the crafting bag, but it is not.
I guess we've got two different ways at looking at it then. To me, saying "Hey, you can now dye that costume you bought a few months back for just $15 a month!" is like saying "Hey, you remember that car you bought a while back? For just $15 a month, you can adjust the seats and the mirrors!" The dying system has been in the game before ESO+ was even an option, it's just that they've now extended it to costumes.Edited by arkansas_ESO on June 25, 2016 2:35AMＦＯＲＵＭＰＬＡＲ
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Niastissa✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »
Well, it is going into this direction anyway - without to force it on people, so no need to change anything in the matter. With a subscription only model would come entitlement to get all the content with the subscription. ZOS is better off to leave it as it is, because they can charge for stuff, which is otherwise to be expected as included content, in the crown store. And I am thinking of my russian friend with it as well, he could not continue to play ESO with a subscription only model.
I play a subscription only game - EVE online - and basically all content is included with it - just not cosmetic things in the cash shop. Those are quite high priced, but they can be obtained with ingame currency as well.
My issue is this game can't pick a pricing model. First its a sub only. Then it's lame little things like more experience if you sub but you can buy the DLC and keep using it. The pricing of the DLC is on par with the sub model. I feel like if you spend $77 on the game either in the DLC as it comes out in six months or pay $77 for the sub you should still get the same benefits.
I simply want the developer to pick a pricing direction and stick with it because it's aggravating. I personally don't care if it is sub only or buy to play at this point but pick one. However it is *** to sell the DLC then entice people to pay the sub on top of it. The double dipping is what is aggravating me. It will result in more money in the short term but in the long term I'll simply pay the sub and not buy any more crowns. The net effect is they make less money.
I'm not going to say I'm leaving the game because that isn't the case but I'm going to avoid the store more now.5 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭So maybe I missed it in the thread somewhere but when is costume dying available?
We are discussing a feature which was mentioned in the live show yesterday - or maybe today for you, don't know - you can watch it here https://www.twitch.tv/zenimaxonlinestudios/v/743047411 -
Towerdragon✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »
Well, it is going into this direction anyway - without to force it on people, so no need to change anything in the matter. With a subscription only model would come entitlement to get all the content with the subscription. ZOS is better off to leave it as it is, because they can charge for stuff, which is otherwise to be expected as included content, in the crown store. And I am thinking of my russian friend with it as well, he could not continue to play ESO with a subscription only model.
I play a subscription only game - EVE online - and basically all content is included with it - just not cosmetic things in the cash shop. Those are quite high priced, but they can be obtained with ingame currency as well.
My issue is this game can't pick a pricing model. First its a sub only. Then it's lame little things like more experience if you sub but you can buy the DLC and keep using it. The pricing of the DLC is on par with the sub model. I feel like if you spend $77 on the game either in the DLC as it comes out in six months or pay $77 for the sub you should still get the same benefits.
I simply want the developer to pick a pricing direction and stick with it because it's aggravating. I personally don't care if it is sub only or buy to play at this point but pick one. However it is *** to sell the DLC then entice people to pay the sub on top of it. The double dipping is what is aggravating me. It will result in more money in the short term but in the long term I'll simply pay the sub and not buy any more crowns. The net effect is they make less money.
I'm not going to say I'm leaving the game because that isn't the case but I'm going to avoid the store more now.
its called a Hybrid model and this is not the only MMO to do this3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »Ep1kMalware wrote: »dude whatever, people are mad that dlc content cost money too. Okay, so it'll probably cost a trivial amount of crown, probably 1-200, big deal. Considering they went out of their way to give us something we had specifically asked for, I think it's kinda fitting.
Sofar this update has gone a long distance to show the community thay they listen. stop qqing.
They're not giving us anything, they're selling us. Unlike other companies that actually appreciate their fans and will give things for free, the only thing that ZOS has given us was cake.
I don't expect item gifts from them, I'm content with crafting bags being a sub perk, but when they start charging $ for colors on costumes that they already overcharge for (1000 for 1 costume) is bad practice and disrespectful to their players.
The loyalty rewards that come with each DLC - like the new personality coming with Shadows of the Hist - have no other reason than showing our appreciation for you either buying the DLC or being an ESO Plus member. You can argue that these are not exactly "for free" since they are linked to a DLC achievement but they are nothing that we have to do - we don't even advertise them that much.
Still a great feature, I appreciate that.3 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »arkansas_ESO wrote: »arkansas_ESO wrote: »I already pay for the costumes, so why should I have to pay extra to customize them?
You don't have to as a subscriber - that is all what I can say to it.
If I subscribed, I'd be paying extra to customize the costumes that I already bought. Granted, there's other benefits for subbing, but, still, I'm paying extra to customize the stuff that I've already bought. It's just too much in my opinion.
no, i am not paying anything extra - I had to pay subscription before there was the option to dye costumes and I will have not a dime more when it will arrive - so it does not cost me anything extra - same price, but an extra feature more.
You made the decision to buy a non-dyable costume, and that is what you got, and what I got as well. Now there is a new feature, which is limited and costs extra for those non-subscribed, but is free for those who are subscribers - given that we have to pay as well, if we would want the stamp for a given color set, where we might not have the color for already.
So if you look at it like that, you got something extra for free as well - namely the option to dye a so far undyable costume. That feature does not come for free, but the option comes for free. I mean, it could be worse for you, it could be an ESO+ exclusive like the crafting bag, but it is not.
I guess we've got two different ways at looking at it then. To me, saying "Hey, you can now dye that costume you bought a few months back for just $15 a month!" is like saying "Hey, you remember that car you bought a while back? For just $15 a month, you can adjust the seats and the mirrors!" The dying system has been in the game before ESO+ was even an option, it's just that they've now extended it to costumes.
We certainly look at it in different ways - to me it is more like "hey, we made your costumes dyable now, and guess what, we give you this feature for free, because you are a subscriber" - it is an incentive to me, not something I have to pay for extra.1 -
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Well now you've got to tell us what the new personality is.ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »like the new personality coming with Shadows of the Hist
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Acrolas✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, why do you buy a jeans for 70 dollars which cost just 3.50 to produce and ship to your country - you don't complain about that as well - it is just how businesses work - they are supposed to make profit and not too less of it.
I don't. I made fortunate connections in college and now I can drop-ship pretty much any high-quality production clothing out of India and China for pennies on the dollar through reputable sources. None of that AliExpress crap.
I know how business works. I also know quite well how to play trade to my favor. But life can't be one long ledger game. I splurge when I'm having fun. ESO doesn't need more subscriber perks. ESO needs to be more fun.
If I'm going to spend on 30 days of premium admission to a theme park, please god don't let it be Epcot. I learned that Epcot is a drinking vacation for the passport-deprived a decade and a half before I could legally drink.signing off0 -
Towerdragon✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »
Well now you've got to tell us what the new personality is.ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »like the new personality coming with Shadows of the Hist
ZoS covered it on ESO LIVE today watch it on twitch0 -
ZOS_KaiSchoberadminarkansas_ESO wrote: »
Well now you've got to tell us what the new personality is.ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »like the new personality coming with Shadows of the Hist
The Heroic personality as shown during today's ESO Live.
If you want your character to stand very straight and push out his or her chest (and walk like a peacock) that's the personality you're looking for.
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Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭arkansas_ESO wrote: »
Well now you've got to tell us what the new personality is.ZOS_KaiSchober wrote: »like the new personality coming with Shadows of the Hist
I am not sure but I think they called it hero.0 -
SanTii.92✭✭✭✭✭
✭I don't think people realize that ESO Plus was supposed to be something that provided ACTUAL benefits to players that made it a tempting loyalty subscription from the time it was conceived, but it never did that until after Dark Brotherhood came out.
In all honesty, 10% Extra Gold, Inspiration, Experience Points as well as access to all DLC was just not worth the monthly price before imho. The only people that were subbed, including myself, were subbed because we got Crowns out of it, and it pays to still be a loyal sub for a game that you like (when it works, that is) to support the dev team to continue making it better.
Now, the ability to have a Craft Bag to store all of you crafting materials automatically as well as Dye Costumes & Hats from your Collectibles menu freely from a Dye Station as an ESO Plus sub is all easily summed up as simply being a measure of providing even more convenience to loyal subs of the game. You know...the people actually paying for the game and supporting the devs to keep working on it and improving on it more?
I don't like putting things bluntly, but when we pay for a sub to a game that isn't necessary to sub to, we do expect benefits to be earned from it. It is extremely tempting for people to get a sub for ESO Plus for the convenience it offers throughout the whole game, and that's how it should be. It's not pay-to-win either. You can perfectly get by in this game without a subscription. The sub is just to make things more convenient for players so that they can get access to all of the content the game has to offer without having to devote time to resource management as much.
I really don't see the issue with that. People were responding very well on stream when we saw that we could still access Dye Stations to dye Costumes and Hats with the dyes we have already unlocked as ESO Plus subs.
As a non-suscriber myself, I really like what they are doing now, and hope they keep expanding it in the future.When the snows fall and the white winds blow,
the lone wolf dies, but the pack survives.
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Niastissa✭✭✭Towerdragon wrote: »Towerdragon wrote: »
Well, it is going into this direction anyway - without to force it on people, so no need to change anything in the matter. With a subscription only model would come entitlement to get all the content with the subscription. ZOS is better off to leave it as it is, because they can charge for stuff, which is otherwise to be expected as included content, in the crown store. And I am thinking of my russian friend with it as well, he could not continue to play ESO with a subscription only model.
I play a subscription only game - EVE online - and basically all content is included with it - just not cosmetic things in the cash shop. Those are quite high priced, but they can be obtained with ingame currency as well.
My issue is this game can't pick a pricing model. First its a sub only. Then it's lame little things like more experience if you sub but you can buy the DLC and keep using it. The pricing of the DLC is on par with the sub model. I feel like if you spend $77 on the game either in the DLC as it comes out in six months or pay $77 for the sub you should still get the same benefits.
I simply want the developer to pick a pricing direction and stick with it because it's aggravating. I personally don't care if it is sub only or buy to play at this point but pick one. However it is *** to sell the DLC then entice people to pay the sub on top of it. The double dipping is what is aggravating me. It will result in more money in the short term but in the long term I'll simply pay the sub and not buy any more crowns. The net effect is they make less money.
I'm not going to say I'm leaving the game because that isn't the case but I'm going to avoid the store more now.
its called a Hybrid model and this is not the only MMO to do this
I don't care if other MMO's use this model. I don't play the other MMO games so that should be a clue.
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✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
You have the dlc.
Cosmetic costume dyes are "the whole game"? Crafting bag that is a convenience and not a necessity is "the whole game"?
You have a unique idea about what constitutes "the whole game". Just because you might not be able to dye your costume strange color combinations doesn't mean your dlc is going to stop working. Which one of the dlcs will be inaccessible if you bought the dlc but can't dye your costume? Is there some new requirement that the game will work only if you have the dyes?
Even though I'm subbed, I bought the dlc I was interested in, with the crowns from my sub. Even if I dropped my sub today I don't think I got screwed because I chose to purchase the dlc.
Edited by JKorr on June 25, 2016 2:59AM4 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Well, why do you buy a jeans for 70 dollars which cost just 3.50 to produce and ship to your country - you don't complain about that as well - it is just how businesses work - they are supposed to make profit and not too less of it.
I don't. I made fortunate connections in college and now I can drop-ship pretty much any high-quality production clothing out of India and China for pennies on the dollar through reputable sources. None of that AliExpress crap.
I know how business works. I also know quite well how to play trade to my favor. But life can't be one long ledger game. I splurge when I'm having fun. ESO doesn't need more subscriber perks. ESO needs to be more fun.
If I'm going to spend on 30 days of premium admission to a theme park, please god don't let it be Epcot. I learned that Epcot is a drinking vacation for the passport-deprived a decade and a half before I could legally drink.
Hm, so you are saying, you do not really have fun in the game or what?- If it is that way, why don't you play something else for a while, I had such burn outs in games, which I played for a longer time as well - having a break cures that quite quickly.1 -
Niastissa✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
This is the same reason I am upset. It's a form of scamming.1 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭I don't think people realize that ESO Plus was supposed to be something that provided ACTUAL benefits to players that made it a tempting loyalty subscription from the time it was conceived, but it never did that until after Dark Brotherhood came out.
In all honesty, 10% Extra Gold, Inspiration, Experience Points as well as access to all DLC was just not worth the monthly price before imho. The only people that were subbed, including myself, were subbed because we got Crowns out of it, and it pays to still be a loyal sub for a game that you like (when it works, that is) to support the dev team to continue making it better.
Now, the ability to have a Craft Bag to store all of you crafting materials automatically as well as Dye Costumes & Hats from your Collectibles menu freely from a Dye Station as an ESO Plus sub is all easily summed up as simply being a measure of providing even more convenience to loyal subs of the game. You know...the people actually paying for the game and supporting the devs to keep working on it and improving on it more?
I don't like putting things bluntly, but when we pay for a sub to a game that isn't necessary to sub to, we do expect benefits to be earned from it. It is extremely tempting for people to get a sub for ESO Plus for the convenience it offers throughout the whole game, and that's how it should be. It's not pay-to-win either. You can perfectly get by in this game without a subscription. The sub is just to make things more convenient for players so that they can get access to all of the content the game has to offer without having to devote time to resource management as much.
I really don't see the issue with that. People were responding very well on stream when we saw that we could still access Dye Stations to dye Costumes and Hats with the dyes we have already unlocked as ESO Plus subs.
As a non-suscriber myself, I really like what they are doing now, and hope they keep expanding it in the future.
Now this is a really fair statement, I will give you an awesome for this.2 -
Lysette✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
This is the same reason I am upset. It's a form of scamming.
since when is adding a benefit for free to an otherwise already fair deal a scam?-6
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