Wow costume dyes require crown store or ESO plus ?

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.

Korozenn · June 2016

nimander99 wrote: »

Korozenn wrote: »

I don't think people realize that ESO Plus was supposed to be something that provided ACTUAL benefits to players that made it a tempting loyalty subscription from the time it was conceived, but it never did that until after Dark Brotherhood came out.

In all honesty, 10% Extra Gold, Inspiration, Experience Points as well as access to all DLC was just not worth the monthly price before imho. The only people that were subbed, including myself, were subbed because we got Crowns out of it, and it pays to still be a loyal sub for a game that you like (when it works, that is) to support the dev team to continue making it better.

Now, the ability to have a Craft Bag to store all of you crafting materials automatically as well as Dye Costumes & Hats from your Collectibles menu freely from a Dye Station as an ESO Plus sub is all easily summed up as simply being a measure of providing even more convenience to loyal subs of the game. You know...the people actually paying for the game and supporting the devs to keep working on it and improving on it more?

I don't like putting things bluntly, but when we pay for a sub to a game that isn't necessary to sub to, we do expect benefits to be earned from it. It is extremely tempting for people to get a sub for ESO Plus for the convenience it offers throughout the whole game, and that's how it should be. It's not pay-to-win either. You can perfectly get by in this game without a subscription. The sub is just to make things more convenient for players so that they can get access to all of the content the game has to offer without having to devote time to resource management as much.

I really don't see the issue with that. People were responding very well on stream when we saw that we could still access Dye Stations to dye Costumes and Hats with the dyes we have already unlocked as ESO Plus subs.

Yeah, that was funny, chat went ape shnazz when they said 3 color dye packs can be bought then they dropped the 'Oh and its free for ESO Plus subbers tee hee hee" Wicked @ZOS_JessicaFolsom I know that was your crafty idea

Haha! I was among the horde of people breathing a collective sigh of relief!

I definitely know that was the masterminding of @ZOS_JessicaFolsom! It was marvelous!

Solid_Metal · June 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.

i watch the ESO live, but still confuse, is the dye stamps available only on crown store or not?

anyway HUZZAH for ESO+ !, i seriously consider to resubs even tho i already cancel it in the protest movement of releasing those cheater losers

Nénlindë · June 2016

It's 2016.. If there's something.. Anything.. people will complain mindlessly.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.

Lysette · June 2016

UltimaJoe777 wrote: »

So more incentive to sub eh? Wonder what's next... No really I do wonder.

Why does this surprise you - when ZOS announced the crafting bags they said that ESO+ will get further more perks over time. ZOS wants subscribers, simply because this is a much better argument towards their investors than crown store sales. Those are an argument as well, but nothing is as good as having income which is paid "up-front" for several months to come. Even better when it is linked to a credit card, which will most likely be upheld even if that player does not really have time to play. That is why they want people to subscribe in the first place.

ADarklore · June 2016

Solid_Metal wrote: »

i watch the ESO live, but still confuse, is the dye stamps available only on crown store or not?

anyway HUZZAH for ESO+ !, i seriously consider to resubs even tho i already cancel it in the protest movement of releasing those cheater losers

Yes, they are only on the Crown Store and can be stacked... so if there is a particular color scheme you like, they said to stock up on them as they'll be rotating colors in and out periodically.

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Solid_Metal wrote: »

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.

i watch the ESO live, but still confuse, is the dye stamps available only on crown store or not?

anyway HUZZAH for ESO+ !, i seriously consider to resubs even tho i already cancel it in the protest movement of releasing those cheater losers

Yeah.
Dye stamps (the sets of three) are only available on the Crown Store. They can be used once each and may include Dyes which you haven't unlocked. Each set will be available for a limited time, but they will be on rotation, so if you miss a color you really like, it should cycle back around eventually.

If you are an ESO Subscriber, you will be able to dye your costumes at a dye station like any other piece of armor using the dye which you have unlocked in game. You will still also be able to by the Dye Stamps if you want one-time access to a color you haven't unlocked.

Toc de Malsvi · June 2016

My only problem is that I have paid for the sub since before it was ESO plus and it was just the required sub to play on PC. But now just this month on xbox it stopped recognizing that I've subbed. It stopped the same day xbox live withdrew money from my account to pay for the subscription, and I received and email notifying me that my subscription was renewed.

I just want the ESO+ I've paid for... Still waiting on further responses from ZOS... They are working on it though, at least they tell me they are......

Emma_Overload · June 2016

svartorn wrote: »

This mindset of wanting everything for free is problematic.

ESO "Tamriel Unlimited" + DLC aren't free, but purchasers of these products are SCREWED.... again.

[minor edit for quote]

Nestor · June 2016

This is a purely Cosmetic thing, no game play is affected.

What we don't know is how much the Dye Packs cost. Then again, based on the limited color combos I saw on Twitch, I don't think I would buy one of the packs as they stand now.

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

This mindset of wanting everything for free is cancer.

ESO "Tamriel Unlimited" + DLC aren't free, but purchasers of these products are SCREWED.... again.

Nope.
You're still getting ESO:TU and the DLC you paid for.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · June 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

This mindset of wanting everything for free is cancer.

ESO "Tamriel Unlimited" + DLC aren't free, but purchasers of these products are SCREWED.... again.

Care to elaborate on how you feel that people who buy the DLC are screwed?

Lysette · June 2016

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

My only problem is that I have paid for the sub since before it was ESO plus and it was just the required sub to play on PC. But now just this month on xbox it stopped recognizing that I've subbed. It stopped the same day xbox live withdrew money from my account to pay for the subscription, and I received and email notifying me that my subscription was renewed.

I just want the ESO+ I've paid for... Still waiting on further responses from ZOS... They are working on it though, at least they tell me they are......

There was a case like this on the forums lately and that was resolved by support - maybe search for this thread, I think it had a hint who solved this for that person. Was very recently, just a few days ago iirc.

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Nestor wrote: »

This is a purely Cosmetic thing, no game play is affected.

What we don't know is how much the Dye Packs cost. Then again, based on the limited color combos I saw on Twitch, I don't think I would buy one of the packs as they stand now.

I'd like to think they'd be pretty cheap, being a one-use cosmetic item.
Around the same cost or lower than other consumables.

Solid_Metal · June 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

This mindset of wanting everything for free is cancer.

ESO "Tamriel Unlimited" + DLC aren't free, but purchasers of these products are SCREWED.... again.

how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Lysette wrote: »

Toc de Malsvi wrote: »

My only problem is that I have paid for the sub since before it was ESO plus and it was just the required sub to play on PC. But now just this month on xbox it stopped recognizing that I've subbed. It stopped the same day xbox live withdrew money from my account to pay for the subscription, and I received and email notifying me that my subscription was renewed.

I just want the ESO+ I've paid for... Still waiting on further responses from ZOS... They are working on it though, at least they tell me they are......

There was a case like this on the forums lately and that was resolved by support - maybe search for this thread, I think it had a hint who solved this for that person. Was very recently, just a few days ago iirc.

Yeah, think I've seen this issue pop up a few times lately.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · June 2016

Nestor wrote: »

This is a purely Cosmetic thing, no game play is affected.

What we don't know is how much the Dye Packs cost. Then again, based on the limited color combos I saw on Twitch, I don't think I would buy one of the packs as they stand now.

Could be another tactic to get subs. Make the stamps have bad color combos so more people will sub to have a choice. A little dirty but smart.

Acrolas · June 2016

So instead of rewarding people who have played the game for a while and have a wealth of colors to choose from, they're punishing people for wanting a sense of individuality.

Now they're just being *** hats.

"ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a recurring allotment of crowns and access to all DLC game packs for the duration of membership. Certain features, such as new areas and dungeons, will be released as DLC game packs."

Bonus:
"something welcome and often unexpected that accompanies and enhances something that is itself good."

Inventory management sucks. Crafting bag isn't a bonus.
Costume color schemes are *** on a stick stuck in more ***. Plus dyes aren't a bonus.

I mean, for *** sake learn what words mean before putting them in the official support section.

Lysette · June 2016

Nestor wrote: »

This is a purely Cosmetic thing, no game play is affected.

What we don't know is how much the Dye Packs cost. Then again, based on the limited color combos I saw on Twitch, I don't think I would buy one of the packs as they stand now.

I agree with that, those colors did not impress me at all - all the normal dying they showed for ESO+ looked by far better.

Lieblingsjunge · June 2016

Armour Dye or Costume Dye has no significant impact on the game. Hence why I'm happy that ESO+ get's it for being subbed to the game. People are expecting everything to be free. >.> I just don't know why.
The GAME is free after purchase - and whatever ESO+ are getting, it doesn't affect the game in general. It's just a stupid thing to whine about, really.

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

Nestor wrote: »

This is a purely Cosmetic thing, no game play is affected.

What we don't know is how much the Dye Packs cost. Then again, based on the limited color combos I saw on Twitch, I don't think I would buy one of the packs as they stand now.

Could be another tactic to get subs. Make the stamps have bad color combos so more people will sub to have a choice. A little dirty but smart.

Could be?
It totally is.

Aimora · June 2016

So happy I sub

Lysette · June 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

So instead of rewarding people who have played the game for a while and have a wealth of colors to choose from, they're punishing people for wanting a sense of individuality.

Now they're just being *** hats.

"ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a recurring allotment of crowns and access to all DLC game packs for the duration of membership. Certain features, such as new areas and dungeons, will be released as DLC game packs."

Bonus:
"something welcome and often unexpected that accompanies and enhances something that is itself good."

Inventory management sucks. Crafting bag isn't a bonus.
Costume color schemes are *** on a stick stuck in more ***. Plus dyes aren't a bonus.

I mean, for *** sake learn what words mean before putting them in the official support section.

To have more inventory space is good in itself - having even more of it and with automatic features on top of it is even better - so bonus is a totally correct term for it.

Costume dyes are good as well in itself - and to be able to have even more freedom to do that, is even better - so this is as well a bonus and the term is correctly used.

Emma_Overload · June 2016

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

This mindset of wanting everything for free is cancer.

ESO "Tamriel Unlimited" + DLC aren't free, but purchasers of these products are SCREWED.... again.

how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?

Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.

NewBlacksmurf · June 2016

ShedsHisTail wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

Cazzy wrote: »

As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay

@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)

In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.

That's going back on their word

They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.

I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.

Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.

If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.

Let's clarify that's it's not a problem on any crown purchases as that is up to the individual, however, I do have a problem with being locked out of my unlocked dyes that do work on armor but not on my purchased or unlocked costumes.

Specifically based on Matt F previous dialogue on Tamriel Unlimited and the unresolved issues with Xbox One ESO Plus.

This has nothing to do with asking for anything for free. Just need to clarify this up front.
I see a lot of assumptions being made out of context. It's as simple as ZOS offering some of this from crown purchases on Xbox one cause of the issues and also not offering ESO plus over 30 days.

FLuFFyxMuFFiN · June 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

So instead of rewarding people who have played the game for a while and have a wealth of colors to choose from, they're punishing people for wanting a sense of individuality.

Now they're just being *** hats.

"ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a recurring allotment of crowns and access to all DLC game packs for the duration of membership. Certain features, such as new areas and dungeons, will be released as DLC game packs."

Bonus:
"something welcome and often unexpected that accompanies and enhances something that is itself good."

Inventory management sucks. Crafting bag isn't a bonus.
Costume color schemes are *** on a stick stuck in more ***. Plus dyes aren't a bonus.

I mean, for *** sake learn what words mean before putting them in the official support section.

Those all seem like a bonus to me.

I'm paying $15 a month and i'm getting the $15 worth of crowns along with access to all DLC and now on top of my original sub perks I am getting bonus access to things such as the crafting bags and free access dyes for my costumes.

You can still buy the dye stamps. Stop whining. Its not like my dyes are gonna add perks like "Insta-kill and non subbing peasant in your path." They simply make me look better.

Lysette · June 2016

Emma_Overload wrote: »

Solid_Metal wrote: »

Emma_Overload wrote: »

svartorn wrote: »

This mindset of wanting everything for free is cancer.

ESO "Tamriel Unlimited" + DLC aren't free, but purchasers of these products are SCREWED.... again.

how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?

Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.

That is why I suggest many times in many threads, do the right thing - stop loss - if it hurts, don't let it continue hurting you. Just take the hit and subscribe, it will not get better if you don't, it will just hurt you even more over time - stop loss.

I have bought Orsinium and IC as well before I subscribed - but I see this as a stop loss issue - not subscribing would continue to hurt me, and so it is a one time hurt, to have paid for those DLCs in vain - I take it and am a happy subscriber now. I stopped further loss and hurt, because at some point in time, I would subscribe anyway, but I would have allowed to have even more hurt until I do - but I didn't allow it.

ShedsHisTail · June 2016

Acrolas wrote: »

So instead of rewarding people who have played the game for a while and have a wealth of colors to choose from, they're punishing people for wanting a sense of individuality.

Now they're just being *** hats.

"ESO Plus offers members exclusive in-game bonuses, a recurring allotment of crowns and access to all DLC game packs for the duration of membership. Certain features, such as new areas and dungeons, will be released as DLC game packs."

Bonus:
"something welcome and often unexpected that accompanies and enhances something that is itself good."

Inventory management sucks. Crafting bag isn't a bonus.
Costume color schemes are *** on a stick stuck in more ***. Plus dyes aren't a bonus.

I mean, for *** sake learn what words mean before putting them in the official support section.

You can't be "punished" by not getting a new thing.
Punishment involves the removal of something, or the implementation of a penalty as retribution for offense.

That's not what's happening here.
Learn what words mean.

You aren't being punished for bad behavior
You just aren't being rewarded for the desired behavior either.

ADarklore · June 2016

NewBlacksmurf wrote: »

I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.

Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.

If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.

Let's clarify that's it's not a problem on any crown purchases as that is up to the individual, however, I do have a problem with being locked out of my unlocked dyes that do work on armor but not on my purchased or unlocked costumes.

Specifically based on Matt F previous dialogue on Tamriel Unlimited and the unresolved issues with Xbox One ESO Plus.

This has nothing to do with asking for anything for free. Just need to clarify this up front.
I see a lot of assumptions being made out of context. It's as simple as ZOS offering some of this from crown purchases on Xbox one cause of the issues and also not offering ESO plus over 30 days.

Actually, the Crown Store dye kits will include dyes that are not required to be unlocked. They said it won't include any rare dyes, but there won't be any requirement to have a dye color unlocked before it can be used via the purchased dye packs.