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Wow costume dyes require crown store or ESO plus ?
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ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.
The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?
The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.
Actually, a LOT of people have said they went back to subscribing, and happy to do so, JUST BECAUSE OF the crafting bags... and now they have the costume dying too.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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ShedsHisTail✭✭✭✭✭
✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.
The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?
Apparently not since they're adding more perks.The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.
How is the solution to the dying limitations somehow linked to people getting crafting bags?
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
How Screwed - I have a sub - buy the DLC's and buy crowns, I love the game and want to support it - I don't see how someone who buys the DLC's are screwed? Yes if you have a sub you get access, but often for me I want the mount and the pet so buying the collectors bundle means the DLC usually ends up costing only 500-700 crowns, I then have the DLC if I ever unsub (highly unlikely with all the great new perks though) plus I benefit from the crafting bags and the new perks that we will be getting, the whole I bought the DLC's so will be worse off if I sub mentality I just don't get.
Some people will see your decision to do both - buy DLC and sub - as paying double for the same content - even if you just can use it once.
Maybe, but I get the crowns from the sub anyway and as I say I usually want the mount and pet also. it secures my ever being in a position to not be able to sub to being able to enjoy the content, plus I feel without subs and people investing in the game, eventually it will cease to be
This whole situation is about personal perception in any case, and how people perceive the value of something.
But seriously what could happen, that you cannot afford 50 cents per day, if you can afford it now - I see no reason ever why you could not afford it, if you can now. I think you are just overly worried about not being able to at some point in time.Edited by Lysette on June 24, 2016 11:19PM0 -
Aimora✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
How Screwed - I have a sub - buy the DLC's and buy crowns, I love the game and want to support it - I don't see how someone who buys the DLC's are screwed? Yes if you have a sub you get access, but often for me I want the mount and the pet so buying the collectors bundle means the DLC usually ends up costing only 500-700 crowns, I then have the DLC if I ever unsub (highly unlikely with all the great new perks though) plus I benefit from the crafting bags and the new perks that we will be getting, the whole I bought the DLC's so will be worse off if I sub mentality I just don't get.
Some people will see your decision to do both - buy DLC and sub - as paying double for the same content - even if you just can use it once.
Maybe, but I get the crowns from the sub anyway and as I say I usually want the mount and pet also. it secures my ever being in a position to not be able to sub to being able to enjoy the content, plus I feel without subs and people investing in the game, eventually it will cease to be This whole situation is about personal perception in any case, and how people perceive the value of something.
But seriously what could happen, that you cannot afford 50 cents per day, if you can afford it now - I see no reason ever why you could not afford it, if you can now. I think you are just overly worried about not being able to at some point in time.
Not a worrier Besides we have had this conversation before - I am happy to spend my money the way I do without having to explain myself to anyone, you sub and are happy with it - I sub and buy DLC's and am happy with it, we are both happy and that is amazing Edited by Aimora on June 24, 2016 11:22PMAimora Gilidhren - 50 Hybrid Sorcerer
Aimae Gilihdril - 50Templar Healer
Aimsae Astasia - 50 Templar Tank
Aimellie Halfpenny - 50 Nightblade spinning DPS
Sofae Ethelbur - 50 Dragonknight Tank
Sha'Mash 50 - Nightblade - Former Empress
Saelenor Wilihfren 50 - Templar No. 3
Seliene Harbingerin 50 - DK in training
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✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
So is ever going B2P in the first place.
They PROMISED from before the start that ESO would always be requiring a subscription.
All the sub stuff is convenience/optional.
So just sub and play deluxe game or do not and just play the economy version you paid for.
That is up to you.
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✭✭✭✭✭FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
First of all you weren't conned into anything. Second of all if you start subbing now you will gain access to all future DLC. Why do so many people assume that the instant they purchase a DLC they can never sub or they wasted money?
You don't think calling something "Unlimited" and then, months later, adding a bunch of limits to it is a bit of a scam? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you....
Where are these limits? What is the advantage I have over you? Seriously you would think the E in ESO stands for Entitlement now.
"Can't use crafting bag without a sub" is massive limitation, especially if you do a TON of crafting like I do.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE3 -
Towerdragon✭✭✭The More ESO plus stuff they give us the better in IMHO the only way i would be up for Crafting bags in the ESO crown store is if ZoS made them super Expensive 100,000 crowns maybe
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✭✭✭✭✭The irony is that I'll be paying a group of people who typically dress like a city bar wait staff for the apparent privilege of using more advanced color combinations in the few crown store costumes that aren't horrible blobs of pixels with clipping issues.signing off0 -
ADarklore✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »"Can't use crafting bag without a sub" is massive limitation, especially if you do a TON of crafting like I do.
Well, you can buy more character slots and create extra mules, you can increase the inventory spaces of all those characters... is it a pain, yes, but it's also a SOLUTION. You're blaming ZOS for how you are CHOOSING to play the game, they're not forcing you to be a crafter, they're not forcing you to be a horder, you have options and solutions but instead you want to complain about what you don't have instead of what you DO have. If crafting means so much to you, then subscribe and never buy another DLC.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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FLuFFyxMuFFiN✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
First of all you weren't conned into anything. Second of all if you start subbing now you will gain access to all future DLC. Why do so many people assume that the instant they purchase a DLC they can never sub or they wasted money?
You don't think calling something "Unlimited" and then, months later, adding a bunch of limits to it is a bit of a scam? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you....
Where are these limits? What is the advantage I have over you? Seriously you would think the E in ESO stands for Entitlement now.
"Can't use crafting bag without a sub" is massive limitation, especially if you do a TON of crafting like I do.
That's a pretty weak argument and it is still not a limitation because it does not limit you from playing any of the content. If you choose to let the absence of a crafting bag affect you then that is your own problem.3 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.
I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.
@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.
I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?
@ShedsHisTail
It was confirmed during a three way with a Microsoft Xbox manager and ZOS while I was on with them after a 45 day 50+ email chain after it occurred the third month in a row.
I tried again 30 days ago and it failed again and I had to contact ZOS with a ticket.
Then after a few emails I got my crowns but some of the DLC access wasn't resolved even still as of Monday (alive been on travel but it expires tomorrow so, my point is why are they continuing to lock things behind a sub when they've publicly confirmed its a known issue for over a year on Xbox one and don't have an ETA when it will be resolved nor do they have a plan to stop charging people money as the only ones who get crowns are those who create a ticket
Otherwise those impacted which again and a lot are just throwing money away and this seems to be more detrimental to ZOS than beneficial. These two decisions would complicate an already problematic issue.
Asking @ZOS_JessicaFolsom why nothing has changed on the ZOS side as its been 14 months and counting.
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Emma_Overload✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.
The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?
The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.
Actually, a LOT of people have said they went back to subscribing, and happy to do so, JUST BECAUSE OF the crafting bags... and now they have the costume dying too.
I haven't seen ANYBODY say that. All I see are subscribers posting furiously on these forums, trying to act like the rest of us are "entitled" cheapskates or whatever. This really makes me angry, because I've spent HUNDREDS of dollars on this game since it came out of beta, including a $50 motif I've only used twice.#CAREBEARMASTERRACE6 -
Aimora✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Solid_Metal wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »
how the hell you are screwed?, care to elaborate?
Sure, I'll elaborate. I'm screwed because I invested dollars and crowns into buying DLC that are effectively WORTHLESS if I end up having to subscribe every month anyway in order to experience the whole game. The crafting bag is a gigantic "F U" to everyone who got conned into purchasing the DLC... this costume dye thing is just adding insult to injury.
First of all you weren't conned into anything. Second of all if you start subbing now you will gain access to all future DLC. Why do so many people assume that the instant they purchase a DLC they can never sub or they wasted money?
You don't think calling something "Unlimited" and then, months later, adding a bunch of limits to it is a bit of a scam? I have a bridge in Brooklyn I'd like to sell you....
Where are these limits? What is the advantage I have over you? Seriously you would think the E in ESO stands for Entitlement now.
"Can't use crafting bag without a sub" is massive limitation, especially if you do a TON of crafting like I do.
Then the answer is to sub Aimora Gilidhren - 50 Hybrid Sorcerer
Aimae Gilihdril - 50Templar Healer
Aimsae Astasia - 50 Templar Tank
Aimellie Halfpenny - 50 Nightblade spinning DPS
Sofae Ethelbur - 50 Dragonknight Tank
Sha'Mash 50 - Nightblade - Former Empress
Saelenor Wilihfren 50 - Templar No. 3
Seliene Harbingerin 50 - DK in training
Aims For Equanimity 10 - Magicka DK
Circle of the Phoenix - Guild Mistress
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.
The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do you really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?
The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.
It would only be double dipping if you were forced to pay all of these ESO+ months retroactively. You know, the months during which you played these DLCs (that you have forever) without paying a subscription.
If you start subbing, it is from now on. It is not like new DLC isn't coming ever again.Just so that everyone knows, my Altmer still can't have black hair. About a dozen of Altmer NPCs in the game have black hair. Just saying.
Meet my characters:Command: Do the thing.
Zadarri, Khajiit Fist of Thalmor: The thing was done, as commanded.
Durza gra-Maghul, Orc blacksmith: The thing was done perfectly, in the most efficient way.
Tegwen, Bosmer troublemaker: You can't prove I didn't do the thing.
Sings-Many-Songs, Argonian fisher: Sure, I'll do the thing... Eventually. Maybe.
Aerindel, Altmer stormcaller: After extensive research, I've come to the conclusion that doing the thing would be a waste of resources.
Liliel, Dunmer pyromancer: Aerindel said I shouldn't do the thing. Something about "resources".
Gyda Snowcaller, Nord cryomancer: I will find a way to do it that won't waste resources and make Aerindel proud of me.
Beatrice Leoriane, Breton vampire: I persuaded someone else into doing the thing. You are welcome, dear.
Sahima, Redguard performer: Doing the thing sounds awfully unpleasant and really not my problem.
Ellaria Valerius, Imperial priestess: I'll pray to the Eight for the thing to be done, if it is Their will.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭If you're on PC it's O K to discuss but let's please keep this on topic.
It's really specific to a known Xbox one ESO plus issue and a Matt F statement under Tamriel Unlimited for base game patches.Edited by NewBlacksmurf on June 24, 2016 11:26PM-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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Towerdragon✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »"Can't use crafting bag without a sub" is massive limitation, especially if you do a TON of crafting like I do.
Well, you can buy more character slots and create extra mules, you can increase the inventory spaces of all those characters... is it a pain, yes, but it's also a SOLUTION. You're blaming ZOS for how you are CHOOSING to play the game, they're not forcing you to be a crafter, they're not forcing you to be a horder, you have options and solutions but instead you want to complain about what you don't have instead of what you DO have. If crafting means so much to you, then subscribe and never buy another DLC.
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »
How Screwed - I have a sub - buy the DLC's and buy crowns, I love the game and want to support it - I don't see how someone who buys the DLC's are screwed? Yes if you have a sub you get access, but often for me I want the mount and the pet so buying the collectors bundle means the DLC usually ends up costing only 500-700 crowns, I then have the DLC if I ever unsub (highly unlikely with all the great new perks though) plus I benefit from the crafting bags and the new perks that we will be getting, the whole I bought the DLC's so will be worse off if I sub mentality I just don't get.
Some people will see your decision to do both - buy DLC and sub - as paying double for the same content - even if you just can use it once.
Maybe, but I get the crowns from the sub anyway and as I say I usually want the mount and pet also. it secures my ever being in a position to not be able to sub to being able to enjoy the content, plus I feel without subs and people investing in the game, eventually it will cease to be This whole situation is about personal perception in any case, and how people perceive the value of something.
But seriously what could happen, that you cannot afford 50 cents per day, if you can afford it now - I see no reason ever why you could not afford it, if you can now. I think you are just overly worried about not being able to at some point in time.
Not a worrier Besides we have had this conversation before - I am happy to spend my money the way I do without having to explain myself to anyone, you sub and are happy with it - I sub and buy DLC's and am happy with it, we are both happy and that is amazing
Yes, of course, if you don't worry, than all is fine - I just wanted to make you think about in the case it would worry you, because there is no real reason to be worried. So all is good.1 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.
The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?
The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.
Actually, a LOT of people have said they went back to subscribing, and happy to do so, JUST BECAUSE OF the crafting bags... and now they have the costume dying too.
I haven't seen ANYBODY say that. All I see are subscribers posting furiously on these forums, trying to act like the rest of us are "entitled" cheapskates or whatever. This really makes me angry, because I've spent HUNDREDS of dollars on this game since it came out of beta, including a $50 motif I've only used twice.
That's because those are the only comments you choose to read and retain because they support your mindset... yet through pages on all those threads, I've seen numerous people who have said they had stopped subbing but would gladly sub again just for the crafting bags. In fact, the number of people complaining was fairly small, but they kept commenting over and over and over again making it seem like a lot of people were complaining, when in fact, it was just the same people repeating the same argument.CP: 2078 ** ESO+ 2025 Content Pass ** ~~ ***** Strictly a solo PvE quester *****
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.
I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.
@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.
I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?
@ShedsHisTail
It was confirmed during a three way with a Microsoft Xbox manager and ZOS while I was on with them after a 45 day 50+ email chain after it occurred the third month in a row.
I tried again 30 days ago and it failed again and I had to contact ZOS with a ticket.
Then after a few emails I got my crowns but some of the DLC access wasn't resolved even still as of Monday (alive been on travel but it expires tomorrow so, my point is why are they continuing to lock things behind a sub when they've publicly confirmed its a known issue for over a year on Xbox one and don't have an ETA when it will be resolved nor do they have a plan to stop charging people money as the only ones who get crowns are those who create a ticket
Otherwise those impacted which again and a lot are just throwing money away and this seems to be more detrimental to ZOS than beneficial. These two decisions would complicate an already problematic issue.
Asking @ZOS_JessicaFolsom why nothing has changed on the ZOS side as its been 14 months and counting.
Only thing I can think of is because it's an issue which is affecting a minority of players, so taking the lock off for everyone just to appease those few who are having issues would be too disruptive to their model. Not to mention, can you imagine the outrage from the PS4 and PC community if suddenly there were no subscription locks for Xbox?
They' end up having to remove those locks from PC and PS4 too, which, might sound good on the surface, but when the game goes B2P with no perks for subscribers, I think you could pretty much say goodbye to any sort of luxury content in the future.
Every single new addition would be in the Crown Store, and it wouldn't be cheap because they'd have to make up for all those subscriptions they don't have anymore because no one is subscribing because there's no longer any incentive. I imagine it'd take less that 6 months for the game to P2W just to keep the money flowing.
THAT would kill this game.
So, yeah, I feel for you, I do.
But incentivizing the subscription model is what keeps this game tolerable. Regular income is what keeps this game from being P2W. If that means a few folks with glitch accounts are out in the cold on a few perks, from a business perspective I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.
All I can say is keep hammering on them until you reach some sort of resolution. Or get a PC.
Edited by ShedsHisTail on June 24, 2016 11:31PM"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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✭This mindset of wanting everything for free is cancer.
i personally like just having bought the dlc,x I dpn;t think I can sub because I'vd bougghtem all alrey. Or I would sub just for this. But ill certainly spend coin on these.
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✭✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.
The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?
The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.
Actually, a LOT of people have said they went back to subscribing, and happy to do so, JUST BECAUSE OF the crafting bags... and now they have the costume dying too.
I haven't seen ANYBODY say that. All I see are subscribers posting furiously on these forums, trying to act like the rest of us are "entitled" cheapskates or whatever. This really makes me angry, because I've spent HUNDREDS of dollars on this game since it came out of beta, including a $50 motif I've only used twice.
That's because those are the only comments you choose to read and retain because they support your mindset... yet through pages on all those threads, I've seen numerous people who have said they had stopped subbing but would gladly sub again just for the crafting bags. In fact, the number of people complaining was fairly small, but they kept commenting over and over and over again making it seem like a lot of people were complaining, when in fact, it was just the same people repeating the same argument.
I am an example, I subbed because the crafting bag was announced, I had bought Orsinium and IC before, but I saw, that it will not make sense to continue buying DLCs, because I wanted the new perks of the subscription and more were announced to be added in future. But the crafting bag alone plus DLC access would have been a good enough reason for me to sub.
I was actually surprised that another perk was added so soon - but I will have a huge amount of fun with dying all the many costumes I have and that I can wear them on different characters in different colors - this is just great and to me this feature would as well be worth the subscription on it's own. So I am triple-happy with my subscription - can spend my crown on other stuff than DLCs, can craft and pick up mats without to think about inventory or bank space and I can dye my costumes as often as I want - 3 good reasons to subscribe for me and ZOS will make more win as well with it, because I can now buy as well those costumes, where I did not like their color scheme.Edited by Lysette on June 24, 2016 11:44PM4 -
MuddledMuppet✭✭✭✭Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Emma_Overload wrote: »Your subscription is just a rental, but I purchased DLC with the idea that I OWNED them. Now ZOS is twisting my arm to try to make me pay RENT on something I already OWN. You don't see the problem with that?
I'm not following your logic... you are not losing access to anything... you're simply not getting the 'bonus' that ESO+ members are getting. Just because a certain bonus was added at the same time a DLC was added to the game DOES NOT MEAN that they were included with or came with that DLC... 'craft bags' came out with DB but they weren't 'part of' the DB DLC. You got the content that you paid for, but if you want the extras that come with ESO+, then subscribe to get them.
The problem you don't seem to understand is that, for DLC purchasers, those things you call "extras" are the ONLY reason to pay a ESO+ sub. Do really expect anybody to be happy paying $15/month JUST for the crafting bag?
The only reasonable solution to this problem is for ZOS to SELL the crafting bag as a DLC in the Crown Store. I don't care what the DLC costs, as long as I don't get "double dipped" by a subscription.
Actually, a LOT of people have said they went back to subscribing, and happy to do so, JUST BECAUSE OF the crafting bags... and now they have the costume dying too.
I haven't seen ANYBODY say that. All I see are subscribers posting furiously on these forums, trying to act like the rest of us are "entitled" cheapskates or whatever. This really makes me angry, because I've spent HUNDREDS of dollars on this game since it came out of beta, including a $50 motif I've only used twice.
And in today's lesson we discuss 'confirmation bias'...4 -
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✭✭✭✭✭ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.
I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.
@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.
I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?
@ShedsHisTail
It was confirmed during a three way with a Microsoft Xbox manager and ZOS while I was on with them after a 45 day 50+ email chain after it occurred the third month in a row.
I tried again 30 days ago and it failed again and I had to contact ZOS with a ticket.
Then after a few emails I got my crowns but some of the DLC access wasn't resolved even still as of Monday (alive been on travel but it expires tomorrow so, my point is why are they continuing to lock things behind a sub when they've publicly confirmed its a known issue for over a year on Xbox one and don't have an ETA when it will be resolved nor do they have a plan to stop charging people money as the only ones who get crowns are those who create a ticket
Otherwise those impacted which again and a lot are just throwing money away and this seems to be more detrimental to ZOS than beneficial. These two decisions would complicate an already problematic issue.
Asking @ZOS_JessicaFolsom why nothing has changed on the ZOS side as its been 14 months and counting.
Only thing I can think of is because it's an issue which is affecting a minority of players, so taking the lock off for everyone just to appease those few who are having issues would be too disruptive to their model. Not to mention, can you imagine the outrage from the PS4 and PC community if suddenly there were no subscription locks for Xbox?
They' end up having to remove those locks from PC and PS4 too, which, might sound good on the surface, but when the game goes B2P with no perks for subscribers, I think you could pretty much say goodbye to any sort of luxury content in the future.
Every single new addition would be in the Crown Store, and it wouldn't be cheap because they'd have to make up for all those subscriptions they don't have anymore because no one is subscribing because there's no longer any incentive. I imagine it'd take less that 6 months for the game to P2W just to keep the money flowing.
THAT would kill this game.
So, yeah, I feel for you, I do.
But incentivizing the subscription model is what keeps this game tolerable. Regular income is what keeps this game from being P2W. If that means a few folks with glitch accounts are out in the cold on a few perks, from a business perspective I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.
All I can say is keep hammering on them until you reach some sort of resolution. Or get a PC.
It's not a minority tho per ZOS and not me.-PC (PTS)/Xbox One: NewBlacksmurf
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✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.
I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.
@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.
I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?
@ShedsHisTail
It was confirmed during a three way with a Microsoft Xbox manager and ZOS while I was on with them after a 45 day 50+ email chain after it occurred the third month in a row.
I tried again 30 days ago and it failed again and I had to contact ZOS with a ticket.
Then after a few emails I got my crowns but some of the DLC access wasn't resolved even still as of Monday (alive been on travel but it expires tomorrow so, my point is why are they continuing to lock things behind a sub when they've publicly confirmed its a known issue for over a year on Xbox one and don't have an ETA when it will be resolved nor do they have a plan to stop charging people money as the only ones who get crowns are those who create a ticket
Otherwise those impacted which again and a lot are just throwing money away and this seems to be more detrimental to ZOS than beneficial. These two decisions would complicate an already problematic issue.
Asking @ZOS_JessicaFolsom why nothing has changed on the ZOS side as its been 14 months and counting.
Only thing I can think of is because it's an issue which is affecting a minority of players, so taking the lock off for everyone just to appease those few who are having issues would be too disruptive to their model. Not to mention, can you imagine the outrage from the PS4 and PC community if suddenly there were no subscription locks for Xbox?
They' end up having to remove those locks from PC and PS4 too, which, might sound good on the surface, but when the game goes B2P with no perks for subscribers, I think you could pretty much say goodbye to any sort of luxury content in the future.
Every single new addition would be in the Crown Store, and it wouldn't be cheap because they'd have to make up for all those subscriptions they don't have anymore because no one is subscribing because there's no longer any incentive. I imagine it'd take less that 6 months for the game to P2W just to keep the money flowing.
THAT would kill this game.
So, yeah, I feel for you, I do.
But incentivizing the subscription model is what keeps this game tolerable. Regular income is what keeps this game from being P2W. If that means a few folks with glitch accounts are out in the cold on a few perks, from a business perspective I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.
All I can say is keep hammering on them until you reach some sort of resolution. Or get a PC.
It's not a minority tho per ZOS and not me.
I suspect you may have misunderstood.
The fact that it's only occurring one of three possible platforms pretty much makes it a minority by default, even if it was happening to every single Xbox player. Either that or there are more Xbox players experiencing this bug than there are total players on the other two platforms combined... which I doubt.
"As an online discussion of Tamrielic Lore grows longer, the probability of someone blaming a Dragon Break approaches 1." -- Sheds' Law
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »ShedsHisTail wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
Dyes which haven't been unlocked will be available periodically in the Dye Stamps.
This only applies to costumes, btw, you will still be able to dye normal armor pieces as you do now, subscriber or not.FLuFFyxMuFFiN wrote: »NewBlacksmurf wrote: »As much as I understand your point and frustration, the sub is purely optional. I believe it's right to reward those who pay monthly, for however long. Plus, they are purely cosmetic and have no bearing on gameplay
@Cazzy and Everyone Else (not to be taken as yelling)
In context this is specific to Xbox One ESO Plus still not working and Matt F saying ESO Plus wouldn't be required for future game updates. It actually does have game bearing as the dyes are unlocked by in-game achievements but now these are locking out customers only to require a sub.
That's going back on their word
They aren't locking access to your dyes. They are simply allowing you to purchase dye stamps or subscribe and unlock them for your costumes. You can still dye your armor all you want.
I played to unlock certain dyes...
I paid real money for some costumes and unlocked other costumes via in-game achievements.
Based on what I heard and saw, the only way to dye my costumes is yet another cash method which is ESO plus for previously unlocked dyes and paying for crowns for unlocked dyes.
Or you could sub. Which is what it says on the price tag.If armor worked this way prior its of no concern but again....this is the second base game update that's locked behind a subscription.
The announced "base game patch features" (since you love semantics so much) simply says; "the ability to dye costumes," which you can totally do without subbing. It makes no promises beyond being able to change costume colors. Subscriptions are just given a little more freedom in the matter; that's a bonus incentive to subscribe.
I'm sorry about your XBone issues, but you should really make a thread discussing that specifically, or contact support (if you haven't) not bury it in a complaint about having to subscribe. Because if that's your real concern, it's going to get lost in the discussion.
@ShedsHisTail
I've had 15+ different threads with different tickets under each. It's not a ME problem it's hundreds of thousands of users per ZOS as recent as PAX east
This issue begin at console launch and was never resolved.
I'm sorry to hear that.
If I worked for ZOS I would try to help you.
Is it possible the problem is with Microsoft, not ZOS? Have you tried talking to them?
@ShedsHisTail
It was confirmed during a three way with a Microsoft Xbox manager and ZOS while I was on with them after a 45 day 50+ email chain after it occurred the third month in a row.
I tried again 30 days ago and it failed again and I had to contact ZOS with a ticket.
Then after a few emails I got my crowns but some of the DLC access wasn't resolved even still as of Monday (alive been on travel but it expires tomorrow so, my point is why are they continuing to lock things behind a sub when they've publicly confirmed its a known issue for over a year on Xbox one and don't have an ETA when it will be resolved nor do they have a plan to stop charging people money as the only ones who get crowns are those who create a ticket
Otherwise those impacted which again and a lot are just throwing money away and this seems to be more detrimental to ZOS than beneficial. These two decisions would complicate an already problematic issue.
Asking @ZOS_JessicaFolsom why nothing has changed on the ZOS side as its been 14 months and counting.
Only thing I can think of is because it's an issue which is affecting a minority of players, so taking the lock off for everyone just to appease those few who are having issues would be too disruptive to their model. Not to mention, can you imagine the outrage from the PS4 and PC community if suddenly there were no subscription locks for Xbox?
They' end up having to remove those locks from PC and PS4 too, which, might sound good on the surface, but when the game goes B2P with no perks for subscribers, I think you could pretty much say goodbye to any sort of luxury content in the future.
Every single new addition would be in the Crown Store, and it wouldn't be cheap because they'd have to make up for all those subscriptions they don't have anymore because no one is subscribing because there's no longer any incentive. I imagine it'd take less that 6 months for the game to P2W just to keep the money flowing.
THAT would kill this game.
So, yeah, I feel for you, I do.
But incentivizing the subscription model is what keeps this game tolerable. Regular income is what keeps this game from being P2W. If that means a few folks with glitch accounts are out in the cold on a few perks, from a business perspective I'd take that trade in a heartbeat.
All I can say is keep hammering on them until you reach some sort of resolution. Or get a PC.
It's not a minority tho per ZOS and not me.
Well it has to be a minority, I doubt that ZOS is able to handle a million or even just a few hundred thousands of such issues every month by hand. And those would have to be at least a couple of hundred thousand issues to be a majority.0 -
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yes and no - if you are already a subscriber it costs you absolutely nothing extra - so this new feature is basically coming for free for us subscribers - it was not there before and it does not cost us anything more then - so it is free.2 -
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✭✭✭✭✭NewBlacksmurf wrote: »I may have missed parts of ESO Plus from being on an airplane but did I hear and see right that ESO plus is required or crown store purchased dyes that rotate on and off the store @ZOS_JessicaFolsom
What happened to Matt F no sub required statements with ESO plus?
Crafting bags and now this.....when are you going to fix ESO plus for Xbox one.
It costs money to keep the game running.
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