Cyradill PVP totally broken

Phanterdkb16_ESO

Yes im a DC only player since the start of eso online,
In also the raid leader of Honour.
And campaign player not ap farmer.

The pvp is broken. faction restrictions gone BIG mistake. the game is now werry unbalanced the 3 way fights gone there is only 2 factions now 1/2 vs 3 and so on CENIMAX i blame not the players but >you< look at the eu servers low pop bonus broken see eboney the EP faction ha sent played the campaign at all still the are in the top ? morning caping low pop bonus and done you rely need to fix this (NOW MORE ACCOUNT WIDE PLAYING 2-3 factions in the same campaign) get the low pop bonus down a loot or totally gone.
And most needed get EMP city OUT of the cyradill campaign player count.
Les campaigns to play on.
AND MAKE A ARENA CAMPAIGN FOR THE 1VS1 players

Cheating/exploiting
Cenimax if you want this game to survive you need to look at your politics towards Exploiting/cheating its Free to cheat in this game small bans for a few days is a joke Cheat= account gone, Exploiting warning to a player second time perm bann = cheating.

problems i have met this week.
Exploits there is still a loot of keep jumpers out there need to be fixed and solved.

Unlimited resources yes there is a cheat out there (i know there is god players out there that are god at keeping resources up but there is a limit and there is sent a number of videos to cenimax that shows the impossible unlimited resources).

ELphandorDK/ElhammerDK
Yours sincerely very worried ESO pvp palyer.

Wollust

Cyrodiil*
Zenimax*

OGLezard

lot*

SlayerTheDragon

English*

Horker

and here i am, getting banned for 3 days for using a name containing Horker the Motherforker....

MickeyBN

I got half way before my brain started to bleed.

Lava_Croft

EU smurf zerger complains about the state of PvP.

You'll get no sympathy from me.

moonio

outsideworld76

It's readable even (or maybe even better:) for non native English readers.

I agree on the part of alliance jumping, it's not a good idea in general because it makes people less committed to one alliance and their campaign. Now people just jump to whatever makes the most AP of gets them/their guildies emp.

Yeah but now we can have duels! Well... I don't care if I see people duel, I kill them. That's what Cyrodiil is about, killing players from all other alliances. If only Zenimax would build in the option to kill traitors from your own alliance I would kill them as well.

InvitationNotFound

it is really hard to read what he's writing.

nonetheless, he has some valid points.

population bonus is a joke in its current state. some people exploit their ways in to the keeps during night or early morning and getting a huge bonus for actually being a piece of s***.

Regarding the cheating: there's still no real statement from ZOS as far as i know and according to several players CE is still working. so again, he's actually not wrong at all.

daemonios

Phanterdkb16_ESO wrote: »

Yes im a DC only player since the start of eso online,
In also the raid leader of Honour.
And campaign player not ap farmer.

The pvp is broken. faction restrictions gone BIG mistake. the game is now werry unbalanced the 3 way fights gone there is only 2 factions now 1/2 vs 3 and so on CENIMAX i blame not the players but >you< look at the eu servers low pop bonus broken see eboney the EP faction ha sent played the campaign at all still the are in the top ? morning caping low pop bonus and done you rely need to fix this (NOW MORE ACCOUNT WIDE PLAYING 2-3 factions in the same campaign) get the low pop bonus down a loot or totally gone.
And most needed get EMP city OUT of the cyradill campaign player count.
Les campaigns to play on.
AND MAKE A ARENA CAMPAIGN FOR THE 1VS1 players

Cheating/exploiting
Cenimax if you want this game to survive you need to look at your politics towards Exploiting/cheating its Free to cheat in this game small bans for a few days is a joke Cheat= account gone, Exploiting warning to a player second time perm bann = cheating.

problems i have met this week.
Exploits there is still a loot of keep jumpers out there need to be fixed and solved.

Unlimited resources yes there is a cheat out there (i know there is god players out there that are god at keeping resources up but there is a limit and there is sent a number of videos to cenimax that shows the impossible unlimited resources).

ELphandorDK/ElhammerDK
Yours sincerely very worried ESO pvp palyer.

I feel you. I used to play PvP almost exclusively but after throwing 2 months of my life into a campaign to have the end score exploited out of our hands by a faction abusing the underdog bonus, I gave up. Haven't been arsed to go back yet and it's been over a year. ZOS ignored every complaint about this and went so far as saying everything was working as intended, even though one faction out of three was consistently capping the entire map just after the underdog bonus kicked in, getting 3-4x the maximum possible score you can get without said bonus, and leaving as soon as the bonus expired so they'd get underdog again after a few hours.

I wouldn't get my hopes up that ZOS will lift a finger. Nevermind the bugs and the exploits - ZOS have basically stated they couldn't care less about people doing alliance-flipping and trolling some alliance in favour of another. It was easy to do before, now there's not even any hoops you have to jump through.

Wollust wrote: »

Cyrodiil*
Zenimax*

OGLezard wrote: »

lot*

SlayerTheDragon wrote: »

English*

MickeyBN wrote: »

I got half way before my brain started to bleed.

moonio wrote: »

http://www.tesoelite.com/img/gifs/dancedrunk.gif

moonio wrote: »

Out of 9 replies when I got here, 6 were irrelevant or trolling the OP. Nice, guys. Keep it classy. As if we needed any more grief than what ZOS give us already.

incite

Cyrodil pvp broken, class unbalance, exploits and cheats... thx for bringing this to our attention and making the 1st thread ever about these issues

Dracane

Cenimax

hamgatan

Alliance jumping has been an argument since the dawn of the 2E. I'm a red from launch.. but occasionally I don the guise of other alliances for various reasons. My first guild for example was an AD guild and im still there. I'm not into the RP.. so really my carefactor on that scale is zilch. I have friends in all alliances so really it's about playing with my Mates.. not about dying for a cause.

I don't think it's that bad a thing personally.. like last night as an example. EP owned the map in trueflame.. I jumped onto my AD toon for sh1ts and giggles but you know why? Because there was a horrible population imbalance. If I jumped on with my EP main there was just noone to fight. Literally there were 3 or 4 of us even responding in zone.. soloed a few resources and when i did get hit it was small EP Groups of 4-5. That imbalance is why there was no one on most likely. These are the situations it's fair to do so.

I get what your point is though OP, despite it being a Google translate job.. spies have existed since the dawn of PvP. People who really want to spy are going to do it regardless of what restrictions you put in place for alliance jumping. What's to stop people having a second copy of the game and spying that way unrestricted ? Heck Its only $15 or so for a copy now..

jcaceresw

alexandrutenhove wrote: »

and here i am, getting banned for 3 days for using a name containing Horker the Motherforker....

Where is the LOL button?

Shader_Shibes

Rohamad_Ali

OP is right . Name one sport that allows you to switch sides mid game . There are none because people that play sports are not stupid . Thats why football , baseball and hockey have lasted as long as they have .

Reality shows have competitions with 3 teams and force people to swap sides to create drama for tv .

Cyrodiil went from 3 sided sport to tv drama .

daemonios

hamgatan wrote: »

spies have existed since the dawn of PvP. People who really want to spy are going to do it regardless of what restrictions you put in place for alliance jumping. What's to stop people having a second copy of the game and spying that way unrestricted ? Heck Its only $15 or so for a copy now..

I've always opposed the ability to flip factions on the same account, but unfortunately ESO players' moral compass isn't the sharpest. Just as with cheats/exploits, any attempt to discuss this quickly goes south with arguments like "spies exist IRL too". Yes, they do - but if found they may find themselves in less than comfortable situations, which isn't the case in this game.

You're right that it's trivial to spy with a second account. But if we were able to report spies and if ZOS gave out punishments for unsportsmanlike behaviour fewer people would risk it. Fat chance of that happening though, considering even outright cheaters are let off the hook if they cry loud enough.

Wollust

daemonios wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

spies have existed since the dawn of PvP. People who really want to spy are going to do it regardless of what restrictions you put in place for alliance jumping. What's to stop people having a second copy of the game and spying that way unrestricted ? Heck Its only $15 or so for a copy now..

I've always opposed the ability to flip factions on the same account, but unfortunately ESO players' moral compass isn't the sharpest. Just as with cheats/exploits, any attempt to discuss this quickly goes south with arguments like "spies exist IRL too". Yes, they do - but if found they may find themselves in less than comfortable situations, which isn't the case in this game.

You're right that it's trivial to spy with a second account. But if we were able to report spies and if ZOS gave out punishments for unsportsmanlike behaviour fewer people would risk it. Fat chance of that happening though, considering even outright cheaters are let off the hook if they cry loud enough.

Na thanks, I actually like to switch to my other faction characters to play with other friends and to get away from the zerging EU DC faction occasionally. Just consider for once that there is actually people who don't care about campaign and map and simply want to have good fights. Which is impossible if your own faction starts to ruin the map by taking everything.
There was never an incentive to commit to one faction, they shouldn't start with it now.

Roechacca

daemonios wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

spies have existed since the dawn of PvP. People who really want to spy are going to do it regardless of what restrictions you put in place for alliance jumping. What's to stop people having a second copy of the game and spying that way unrestricted ? Heck Its only $15 or so for a copy now..

I've always opposed the ability to flip factions on the same account, but unfortunately ESO players' moral compass isn't the sharpest. Just as with cheats/exploits, any attempt to discuss this quickly goes south with arguments like "spies exist IRL too". Yes, they do - but if found they may find themselves in less than comfortable situations, which isn't the case in this game.

You're right that it's trivial to spy with a second account. But if we were able to report spies and if ZOS gave out punishments for unsportsmanlike behaviour fewer people would risk it. Fat chance of that happening though, considering even outright cheaters are let off the hook if they cry loud enough.

Absofreekinlutely Man. Where ever you water most the grass is gonna grow. They've catered directly to this crowd of player the whole time. What do we have to show for? Complete apathy towards PvP.

Phanterdkb16_ESO

Its fine to make fun of the spelling cant edit the post (but the points i made is valid)

Wollust

Phanterdkb16_ESO wrote: »

Its fine to make fun of the spelling cant edit the post (but the points i made is valid)

You can, besides the title of the thread there should be an option to edit the original post.

Well most of your points are valid. The thing is, they have all been discussed endless times with no result or with ZoS simply not caring. So people kinda lost interest in it by now I guess.

Roechacca

Phanterdkb16_ESO wrote: »

Its fine to make fun of the spelling cant edit the post (but the points i made is valid)

Pff Forget the spellin n grammerz police. You made your point very clear and I can read it just fine. They don't like the message or have anything constructive to say against it.

ZOS should just give them duels and AP FarmVille in another zone so they can tag a leaderboard some where and stay out of a zone designed for map competition.

daemonios

Wollust wrote: »

daemonios wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

spies have existed since the dawn of PvP. People who really want to spy are going to do it regardless of what restrictions you put in place for alliance jumping. What's to stop people having a second copy of the game and spying that way unrestricted ? Heck Its only $15 or so for a copy now..

I've always opposed the ability to flip factions on the same account, but unfortunately ESO players' moral compass isn't the sharpest. Just as with cheats/exploits, any attempt to discuss this quickly goes south with arguments like "spies exist IRL too". Yes, they do - but if found they may find themselves in less than comfortable situations, which isn't the case in this game.

You're right that it's trivial to spy with a second account. But if we were able to report spies and if ZOS gave out punishments for unsportsmanlike behaviour fewer people would risk it. Fat chance of that happening though, considering even outright cheaters are let off the hook if they cry loud enough.

Na thanks, I actually like to switch to my other faction characters to play with other friends and to get away from the zerging EU DC faction occasionally. Just consider for once that there is actually people who don't care about campaign and map and simply want to have good fights. Which is impossible if your own faction starts to ruin the map by taking everything.
There was never an incentive to commit to one faction, they shouldn't start with it now.

I understand that, but you do realize that Cyrodiil was supposed to be a setting for Alliance War, not for skirmishes, right? And that IC was planned from the start, and access to it would be reserved to those alliances having some sort of control of the Cyrodiil map?

ZOS should have simply included arenas from the get-go (and it's incomprehensible that they still haven't added them 2 years in) which would take care of the need for some space to battle your friends, be they from your own or from another faction. Then Cyrodiil could have been focused on the campaigns. As it is, it's a trainwreck.

Lucius_Aelius

As hard as that admittedly was to read, I agree with the OP, I think it was a huge mistake letting people have characters on different alliances in the same campaign. And having Imperial City and 1v1'ers counting towards the population cap ensures that their are always people in Cyrodiil who aren't contributing to the fight in any way whatsoever, and in the process taking away spots from people who might actually want to help their team win.

And while cheating isn't nearly as much of an issue on Console, which I am on, I agree that ZOS should be more strict with cheaters, hesitating to throw around permabans is the best way to ensure that cheaters won't be afraid of getting caught, they know they'll just be getting a slap on the wrist and then allowed to continue playing, usually while continuing to reap the benefits of what they acquired/achieved while cheating. This must not be allowed to continue if ZOS doesn't want their game going downhill.

NobleNerd

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

As hard as that admittedly was to read, I agree with the OP, I think it was a huge mistake letting people have characters on different alliances in the same campaign. And having Imperial City and 1v1'ers counting towards the population cap ensures that their are always people in Cyrodiil who aren't contributing to the fight in any way whatsoever, and in the process taking away spots from people who might actually want to help their team win.

And while cheating isn't nearly as much of an issue on Console, which I am on, I agree that ZOS should be more strict with cheaters, hesitating to throw around permabans is the best way to ensure that cheaters won't be afraid of getting caught, they know they'll just be getting a slap on the wrist and then allowed to continue playing, usually while continuing to reap the benefits of what they acquired/achieved while cheating. This must not be allowed to continue if ZOS doesn't want their game going downhill.

Don't be so naive to think that people cannot use Cheat Engine on console! It has been used on console with other games going back to the earliest consoles and now consoles are basically mini-versions of a PC.... if it's not happening it will be soon in this game.

bugmom

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

As hard as that admittedly was to read, I agree with the OP, I think it was a huge mistake letting people have characters on different alliances in the same campaign. And having Imperial City and 1v1'ers counting towards the population cap ensures that their are always people in Cyrodiil who aren't contributing to the fight in any way whatsoever, and in the process taking away spots from people who might actually want to help their team win.

And while cheating isn't nearly as much of an issue on Console, which I am on, I agree that ZOS should be more strict with cheaters, hesitating to throw around permabans is the best way to ensure that cheaters won't be afraid of getting caught, they know they'll just be getting a slap on the wrist and then allowed to continue playing, usually while continuing to reap the benefits of what they acquired/achieved while cheating. This must not be allowed to continue if ZOS doesn't want their game going downhill.

Totally agree with this! And I'm sick of groups calling in their friends from other campaigns.

Lucius_Aelius

NobleNerd wrote: »

Lucius_Aelius wrote: »

As hard as that admittedly was to read, I agree with the OP, I think it was a huge mistake letting people have characters on different alliances in the same campaign. And having Imperial City and 1v1'ers counting towards the population cap ensures that their are always people in Cyrodiil who aren't contributing to the fight in any way whatsoever, and in the process taking away spots from people who might actually want to help their team win.

And while cheating isn't nearly as much of an issue on Console, which I am on, I agree that ZOS should be more strict with cheaters, hesitating to throw around permabans is the best way to ensure that cheaters won't be afraid of getting caught, they know they'll just be getting a slap on the wrist and then allowed to continue playing, usually while continuing to reap the benefits of what they acquired/achieved while cheating. This must not be allowed to continue if ZOS doesn't want their game going downhill.

Don't be so naive to think that people cannot use Cheat Engine on console! It has been used on console with other games going back to the earliest consoles and now consoles are basically mini-versions of a PC.... if it's not happening it will be soon in this game.

The Consoles would need to be hacked first, which they haven't been yet. It's likely only a matter of time, but so is the release of the next Console generation, and there's no guarantee it'll be hacked before then, or at least for a good long while. I'd never suggest though that it will definitely not be a problem for Consoles at some point, just that it isn't now, and I always like to point out my position when I state my opinion about things.

Cheating isn't as much of a problem for Console so it's harder for me to speak towards the experience of people on PC, there's a few exploitable glitches here and there on Consoles but aside from that we're cheat free (spies notwithstanding). It usually matters to people whether someone stating an opinion has personal experience with what they're talking about or not (as it should), so as a rule I state my experience alongside my opinion when I don't necessarily feel 100% qualified to talk about what I'm talking about, just that I'm offering my beliefs and opinions on whatever subject I'm discussing based on my experience such as it is, and that people can take what I have to say as being such.

I would not have meantioned the relative lack of cheating on Console otherwise, if not for that it wouldn't have been relevant, and only is in regards to my experience with cheating in this game. Not all cheats are created equal after all, and should not be punished as though they were. There's only so much I can speak towards punishing cheaters using cheats that I have no experience with and limited knowledge regarding.

Hawco10

MickeyBN wrote: »

I got half way before my brain started to bleed.

Probably might want to split it in to more manageable chunks like a single sentence at a time?