Azura's Star NA PC Thread

Heike

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Heike wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Opening empty scroll gates during prime time.
...That's one hell of a way to encourage EP puggies to stick around..."

"You AD that were at BRK...could've ...helped your faction at Alessia..."

"...woefully underpopulated and underorganized EP left on Azura's..."

"Here's a hint: The problem EP were already in Alessia and weren't moving."

I knew THIS was coming.

When all 3 factions were at 3 bars (which was most of the weekend), AD and DC were involved in four 50v50 epic battles, that lasted a total of 6 hours. And what did EP do? Attack Chalman or BRK or Roe? Nope... you clowns spent the time camping at Vlasterus, Cropsford and the Allessia bridge. You even sent a raid to BB, to attack a keep that that didn't even have your scroll! lol?

When you COULD'VE helped AD dethrone DC on Friday by attacking Chalman, you instead chose to attack AD at TWO separate keeps! LOL?

Are you serious?!?!?

As far as EP being unorganized, there were PLENTY of veteran players on all weekend. If they chose to run clear across the map to farm AP, well...
that's not our fault.

AD wiped to DC several times. (Yes, @Nihang I saw the kiss you blew me lol).
But at least we pushed. When the map was blue and DC were at poplock for 18 hours on Saturday, you didn't see us riding all the way north and hitting Dragonclaw... just sayin.

And... AD had to deal with Deltia's group, along with CBs, which focused us, not EP. The Pact had to deal with NPCs at Cropsford... there's a difference.

As for raids: Queens Eyes wasn't even on. Firebeard's guild had to run with RoB, to have a group of 20. The rest of AD were, quite literally, pugs running around aimlessly, shooting everything they saw. @Kartalin even ran with us, because TM wasn't on. So, the talk about unorganized groups won't carry too far here, friend.

So... what I'm seeing here is all excuses for bad behavior. 'Yes, we know gating is cruddy, but we did it anyways because of this list of excuses'.

Here's a tip: Spend less time hate-telling and teabagging, and more time attacking keeps when you have an opening for hours.

(And be proud of your 16k farming tick, I guess?)

Please let me know when and where you received a hate tell or teabag from myself. Provide screenshots if you can. (here's a hint, you can't, you're instead generalizing while referring to a specific player)..."

"Here's another hint: I did try to defend Arrius, BRK, and Sejanus through the back capping, but had few others with me when and if I got there in time. I ended up stuck at Alessia with everyone else...

I was referring to EP, in general, and not about you, specifically. And if you're looking for an affirmation hug, you won't get one here.

You (EP) simply won't get cut a huss from either DC or AD, when you're at 3 bars, but choose to farm instead of attacking.

AD took EP's home keeps ONCE. One time, and did NOT "camp" there, sorry.

EP had 3 bars. Instead of moving from an assembly area like Arrius or BRK, after getting people in zone grouped, EP chose to run broken mid-sized groups to farm with. Again, not our fault, sorry.

AD ran several, tactically sound multiphased attacks, with two organized groups. We were able to take Ash and Glade, then fan out from there. Were there pugs there with us? Of course there were. It's Cyrodiil ffs.

3 weeks ago, when EP was so "funny" and "all laughs" and posting cute memes, after zerging the map and throwing it in ADs face... I commented in this forum that though AD didn't have organization THEN... we WOULD at some point.

We do now. And we're working together as a faction now... even when we lose. EP isn't; it's that simple.

You can rationalize things, by saying that DC are so grotesquely OP, or that AD "runs with groups of 40+ Templars..." or that taking scrollless keeps is "disgusting" (even though EP did it with BB on Saturday lol). But, the fact is: DC aren't spending time "farming AP," and AD isn't the "zerg kings" that EP thinks they are.

And "disgusting?" You want disgusting?
When a veteran EP player exploits into an empty Sejanus and sieges it from the inside; then calls EP there to farm AD pugs for an hour... that's disgusting.

There are AD pugs that couldn't exploit themselves into an open outer wall breach. But EP is gonna call US out? Seriously...? lol

Anything else from you is just whining.
EP shouldn't have shoved their victories in our faces. That sting is staying with some of AD.

My advice would be to stop QQ'ing here, and tell your faction to group up. And my guess is that DR will come back, guested, and run more of their "small, tightknit 6-8 person" groups (which strangely still look like 30+), and run the map in the last week of the campaign.

And we'll see you there.

Agrippa_Invisus

Just more excuses for bad behavior. Being wronged in the past doesn't give valid reason to wrong others. Eye for an eye leaving everyone blind, for example.

You started your statements with 'I knew this would happen'. If you know people are going to be aggrieved, then you know the behavior is wrong. Act like you've known since second grade and show some restraint.

cbaudersub17_ESO

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The problem EP were already in Alessia and weren't moving. You think you're going to dislodge Warlord "K" (as an example) from a good farm aside from just wiping him? No, you're not. Help flip the keep, do whatever you must there. Opening up empty scroll gates on the faction that has extreme trouble mustering numbers/guilds to help it is crap sportsmanship and commands nothing but disdain.

If I recall correctly, the siege attempt on the EP-held Alessia happened when all factions were are 3-bars population or better. Sounds to me EP made a tactical decision to farm Alessia. Other parts of the map do not remain static just because all of EP chose to hold up in one keep.

You mis-recall. EP was two bars the majority of the time I was on Azura's. Part of why I guested over.

'the rest of the map isn't static' is the PVDoorer's refrain I've been hearing since Bloodthorn. You get no AP, and receive no credit for it. AD gated PUGs that were trying to go to IC or just small man fight.

It's despicable behavior and deserves the razzing I'm providing.

It's no better than PM flipping Black Boot on Haderus when AD has no scrolls.

My group was not part of the push to the gates. It was at Alessia, but not for its entirety. Defense of another keep warranted our attention.

Agree to disagree as a matter of my recollection, but saying two bars the majority of the time you were on Azura’s isn’t the same as bar population when the AD siege of Alessia was being attempted. EP reached three bars around this time. No point in splitting hairs between the two versus three bars on a moment by moment basis. That won’t change the EP numbers that were in the keep. I have no idea the total number of times AD wiped; because, as I said, my group went elsewhere.

It’s up to each individual to decide for themselves the line of what is sporting and what is not. In just this half-over cycle, I am not aware of anything last night that has not happened to each faction or each faction has taken part. Not justification for actions of any faction, just a reality. I don’t see how references to Haderus and Bloodthorn are germane on a thread about and events that took place on Azuras.

A challenge, albeit small, to the call of ‘foul’ has occurred. I don’t wish to travel down the path of Monday quarterbacking (at least too far), but Alessia was not some five to ten minute siege attempt. If EP chose making AP over defending what they held at the time, that’s on EP as a faction. Two-bar AD held pop-locked/three-bar DC aggression most of that same afternoon at Nickel, Brindle, and Roe. EP chiseled at Fare, Bloodmayne, and, of course, Alessia during this same time.

Just sayin’.

Post script thoughts after reading other response(s):

Was the AD push northward mutually exclusive from the siege attempt Alessia or not? In other words, did AD first push all the way north and take your gate keep THEN start sieging Alessia or did AD start sieging Alessia THEN push northward on keeps or did AD start the north push and Alessia siege near simultaneously? In all cases (or slight derivations thereof) the cascade taking three separate keeps and an outpost does not just ‘happen’ to occur without an entire faction noticing. The EP my group ran into just prior to and during the Alessia siege were very familiar names.

I'm making signs:
“EP Busy Farming Alessia – Please Call 1.975.MAKE.WAR (625-3927) To Schedule Siege Appointment”

If I decide to do a hot line, the script will include:

“Your hostility towards us is important. Press (1) for AP farm setup, press (2) for siege emergency, press (3) to send virtual tea-bagging, or please hold for a War Specialist that can assist you in the order that the call was received.”

Darnathian

Rylana wrote: »

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

I think it would be best if you guys agreed to disagree and realize you're both as bad as each other.

You are mistaken someone who is literally throwing gas on something for the lulz. Anyone who knows me knows exactly what im doing and loving every second of it lol.

I know youre enjoying it but you're both making yourselves look quite silly...

Im trying to bait him into saying he wont fight us, and taking the wind out of his sails. Thats all, if people think I look silly, well im a goofy sarcastic guy. I spent too many years working security at night clubs and bartending and ****posting is something I find hilarious after dealing with it IRL constantly

This guy called ME the tryhard, kek.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The problem EP were already in Alessia and weren't moving. You think you're going to dislodge Warlord "K" (as an example) from a good farm aside from just wiping him? No, you're not. Help flip the keep, do whatever you must there. Opening up empty scroll gates on the faction that has extreme trouble mustering numbers/guilds to help it is crap sportsmanship and commands nothing but disdain.

If I recall correctly, the siege attempt on the EP-held Alessia happened when all factions were are 3-bars population or better. Sounds to me EP made a tactical decision to farm Alessia. Other parts of the map do not remain static just because all of EP chose to hold up in one keep.

You mis-recall. EP was two bars the majority of the time I was on Azura's. Part of why I guested over.

'the rest of the map isn't static' is the PVDoorer's refrain I've been hearing since Bloodthorn. You get no AP, and receive no credit for it. AD gated PUGs that were trying to go to IC or just small man fight.

It's despicable behavior and deserves the razzing I'm providing.

It's no better than PM flipping Black Boot on Haderus when AD has no scrolls.

Are you serious? lulz.

You admit that EP were farming Allessia and then say that AD should have fed the farm? That makes no sense.

How about spending your energy convincing the farmers to play the map. You blame AD but not your own faction.

Who cares about 2 bars. If that organized group was playing the map instead of farming they could have defended tgier homeland.

Wow. Just wow.

Agrippa_Invisus

Darnathian wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

I think it would be best if you guys agreed to disagree and realize you're both as bad as each other.

You are mistaken someone who is literally throwing gas on something for the lulz. Anyone who knows me knows exactly what im doing and loving every second of it lol.

I know youre enjoying it but you're both making yourselves look quite silly...

Im trying to bait him into saying he wont fight us, and taking the wind out of his sails. Thats all, if people think I look silly, well im a goofy sarcastic guy. I spent too many years working security at night clubs and bartending and ****posting is something I find hilarious after dealing with it IRL constantly

This guy called ME the tryhard, kek.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The problem EP were already in Alessia and weren't moving. You think you're going to dislodge Warlord "K" (as an example) from a good farm aside from just wiping him? No, you're not. Help flip the keep, do whatever you must there. Opening up empty scroll gates on the faction that has extreme trouble mustering numbers/guilds to help it is crap sportsmanship and commands nothing but disdain.

If I recall correctly, the siege attempt on the EP-held Alessia happened when all factions were are 3-bars population or better. Sounds to me EP made a tactical decision to farm Alessia. Other parts of the map do not remain static just because all of EP chose to hold up in one keep.

You mis-recall. EP was two bars the majority of the time I was on Azura's. Part of why I guested over.

'the rest of the map isn't static' is the PVDoorer's refrain I've been hearing since Bloodthorn. You get no AP, and receive no credit for it. AD gated PUGs that were trying to go to IC or just small man fight.

It's despicable behavior and deserves the razzing I'm providing.

It's no better than PM flipping Black Boot on Haderus when AD has no scrolls.

Are you serious? lulz.

You admit that EP were farming Allessia and then say that AD should have fed the farm? That makes no sense.

How about spending your energy convincing the farmers to play the map. You blame AD but not your own faction.

Who cares about 2 bars. If that organized group was playing the map instead of farming they could have defended tgier homeland.

Wow. Just wow.

'Play the map!' translation - Hand an Imperial ring keep back to the faction that the stated goal of the evening had been to dethrone. Gotcha.

I love how 'play the map' means 'provide my faction with a direct benefit'.

The back capping started because AD was down to their last emp keep and wanted to say Emperor. EP were in Alessia because of that reason. Farming was a nice side bonus.

PenguinInACan

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Just more excuses for bad behavior. Being wronged in the past doesn't give valid reason to wrong others. Eye for an eye leaving everyone blind, for example.

You started your statements with 'I knew this would happen'. If you know people are going to be aggrieved, then you know the behavior is wrong. Act like you've known since second grade and show some restraint.

As someone who actually was in the group that took kc, Farra and arrius I can tell you there was no "gate camping." EP was at Alessia for an hour and we forced them to decide to keep burning camps or break off and take back spawn points. As soon as we took the keeps we left and didn't defend them. I don't understand how that is considered gate camping. We didn't even walk up to the gates...

I've said it in a previous post, if EP only pushes AD and all they have are gate keeps don't be surprised if you lose them. And lo and behold, not long after EP got the gate keeps back they flagged DC on 3 keeps. So however badly behaved you think we acted the end result was EP stopped turtling in Alessia, got the gate keeps back and started hitting DC.

Heike

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Darnathian wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

Chuga_Rei wrote: »

Caza99 wrote: »

I think it would be best if you guys agreed to disagree and realize you're both as bad as each other.

You are mistaken someone who is literally throwing gas on something for the lulz. Anyone who knows me knows exactly what im doing and loving every second of it lol.

I know youre enjoying it but you're both making yourselves look quite silly...

Im trying to bait him into saying he wont fight us, and taking the wind out of his sails. Thats all, if people think I look silly, well im a goofy sarcastic guy. I spent too many years working security at night clubs and bartending and ****posting is something I find hilarious after dealing with it IRL constantly

This guy called ME the tryhard, kek.

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

cbaudersub17_ESO wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

The problem EP were already in Alessia and weren't moving. You think you're going to dislodge Warlord "K" (as an example) from a good farm aside from just wiping him? No, you're not. Help flip the keep, do whatever you must there. Opening up empty scroll gates on the faction that has extreme trouble mustering numbers/guilds to help it is crap sportsmanship and commands nothing but disdain.

If I recall correctly, the siege attempt on the EP-held Alessia happened when all factions were are 3-bars population or better. Sounds to me EP made a tactical decision to farm Alessia. Other parts of the map do not remain static just because all of EP chose to hold up in one keep.

You mis-recall. EP was two bars the majority of the time I was on Azura's. Part of why I guested over.

'the rest of the map isn't static' is the PVDoorer's refrain I've been hearing since Bloodthorn. You get no AP, and receive no credit for it. AD gated PUGs that were trying to go to IC or just small man fight.

It's despicable behavior and deserves the razzing I'm providing.

It's no better than PM flipping Black Boot on Haderus when AD has no scrolls.

Are you serious? lulz.

You admit that EP were farming Allessia and then say that AD should have fed the farm? That makes no sense.

How about spending your energy convincing the farmers to play the map. You blame AD but not your own faction.

Who cares about 2 bars. If that organized group was playing the map instead of farming they could have defended tgier homeland.

Wow. Just wow.

I love how 'play the map' means 'provide my faction with a direct benefit'.

No.... it means that if EP chooses to farm AP, instead of actively pursuing keeps in the ring, then don't whine about only owning your home keeps (and maybe Cropsford.)

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Farming was a nice side bonus.

Again, be happy with the AP that you farmed? But, don't come here after the fact and whine.

Kartalin

Hopefully with the IC event over (it IS over now, right?) we'll get a better idea of actual populations in cyrodiil proper. These last couple of weeks have left us pretty well confused how many are on each side, and it's been frustrating for all sides on that point.

For our part, TM did call an early night last night because we could tell we weren't getting the good fights we prefer to have. I actually logged on to my DC after that and had some fun with friends there (apologies to my AD friends we fought).

God_flakes

I don't really see a problem with gate fighting/camping. It's a part of the map, right? It can't really be considered exploitive in any way other than you're kicking your enemy when they're down and some enemies deserve to be kicked when they're down. The only real drawback is if you make them mad enough they will do it to you when they get the chance.

PenguinInACan

God_flakes wrote: »

I don't really see a problem with gate fighting/camping. It's a part of the map, right? It can't really be considered exploitive in any way other than you're kicking your enemy when they're down and some enemies deserve to be kicked when they're down. The only real drawback is if you make them mad enough they will do it to you when they get the chance.

That's the issue though. If taking a gate keeps is considered gate camping then there has been a pretty large reeducation of what gate camping means. If I remember from the months of being gate camped in previous campaigns you actually need to be standing directly in and/or around the gate not allowing passage to the gate keeps. We took the keeps and left...if people want to perceive that as gate camping then I guess that's fitting with how zerg is a common term for anyone with 1 more player than them as opposed to the 80-100 man groups that fits the term better.

(This isn't directed at you, just using your post to further clarify things)

Agrippa_Invisus

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Just more excuses for bad behavior. Being wronged in the past doesn't give valid reason to wrong others. Eye for an eye leaving everyone blind, for example.

You started your statements with 'I knew this would happen'. If you know people are going to be aggrieved, then you know the behavior is wrong. Act like you've known since second grade and show some restraint.

As someone who actually was in the group that took kc, Farra and arrius I can tell you there was no "gate camping." EP was at Alessia for an hour and we forced them to decide to keep burning camps or break off and take back spawn points. As soon as we took the keeps we left and didn't defend them. I don't understand how that is considered gate camping. We didn't even walk up to the gates...

I've said it in a previous post, if EP only pushes AD and all they have are gate keeps don't be surprised if you lose them. And lo and behold, not long after EP got the gate keeps back they flagged DC on 3 keeps. So however badly behaved you think we acted the end result was EP stopped turtling in Alessia, got the gate keeps back and started hitting DC.

I never said you camped, I said 'gated', as in opened the gates.

No matter how mad you were at the EP in Alessia, Alessia would have been yellow a lot faster if TM had just come down and helped AD overrun the keep. That's three fewer keeps you had to bother with and could've ended the situation a lot faster.

The inner trio was both a waste of time and excessive.

Kartalin

I do want to add that AD players complain about team purple all the time, but having played my DC some and seeing the level of non-cooperation among the pugs there, the difference is night and day. In primetime, at least last night, DC really relies on EP being active simultaneously to split the attention of AD forces. I imagine the same is true for EP groups and pugs.

It's also worth noting that AD pugs show up and immediately try to find a group in zone and generally find their way into a large group of some kind. I'm not saying that forming huge zergs is okay, but they're trying to participate in a group and get stuff done. Unfortunately I did not see that same level of willingness in DC zone chat. @jameslogan425 was able to wrangle them to one spot to take a couple keeps (Glade and Ales) while AD was split/distracted, but on the third one, Ash, we had too much attention on us and after at least a half hour with at least 3 camps, inner breached, and having to repeatedly breach the outer after it got partially repaired we decided we weren't going to be able to finish the job.

AD has three different guilds that will run pug groups right now, which is to their credit, but that seems to have tipped the scales in recent days.

PenguinInACan

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Just more excuses for bad behavior. Being wronged in the past doesn't give valid reason to wrong others. Eye for an eye leaving everyone blind, for example.

You started your statements with 'I knew this would happen'. If you know people are going to be aggrieved, then you know the behavior is wrong. Act like you've known since second grade and show some restraint.

As someone who actually was in the group that took kc, Farra and arrius I can tell you there was no "gate camping." EP was at Alessia for an hour and we forced them to decide to keep burning camps or break off and take back spawn points. As soon as we took the keeps we left and didn't defend them. I don't understand how that is considered gate camping. We didn't even walk up to the gates...

I've said it in a previous post, if EP only pushes AD and all they have are gate keeps don't be surprised if you lose them. And lo and behold, not long after EP got the gate keeps back they flagged DC on 3 keeps. So however badly behaved you think we acted the end result was EP stopped turtling in Alessia, got the gate keeps back and started hitting DC.

I never said you camped, I said 'gated', as in opened the gates.

No matter how mad you were at the EP in Alessia, Alessia would have been yellow a lot faster if TM had just come down and helped AD overrun the keep. That's three fewer keeps you had to bother with and could've ended the situation a lot faster.

The inner trio was both a waste of time and excessive.

I agree we may have turned the tide, but we would have been contributing to however many AD there thinking numbers are the number one factor to winning fights. At some point players need to learn how to strategically take a keep and adding another 15 people to it isn't our preferred strategy.

And if I misinterpreted what you said that's my bad.

Agrippa_Invisus

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Just more excuses for bad behavior. Being wronged in the past doesn't give valid reason to wrong others. Eye for an eye leaving everyone blind, for example.

You started your statements with 'I knew this would happen'. If you know people are going to be aggrieved, then you know the behavior is wrong. Act like you've known since second grade and show some restraint.

As someone who actually was in the group that took kc, Farra and arrius I can tell you there was no "gate camping." EP was at Alessia for an hour and we forced them to decide to keep burning camps or break off and take back spawn points. As soon as we took the keeps we left and didn't defend them. I don't understand how that is considered gate camping. We didn't even walk up to the gates...

I've said it in a previous post, if EP only pushes AD and all they have are gate keeps don't be surprised if you lose them. And lo and behold, not long after EP got the gate keeps back they flagged DC on 3 keeps. So however badly behaved you think we acted the end result was EP stopped turtling in Alessia, got the gate keeps back and started hitting DC.

I never said you camped, I said 'gated', as in opened the gates.

No matter how mad you were at the EP in Alessia, Alessia would have been yellow a lot faster if TM had just come down and helped AD overrun the keep. That's three fewer keeps you had to bother with and could've ended the situation a lot faster.

The inner trio was both a waste of time and excessive.

I agree we may have turned the tide, but we would have been contributing to however many AD there thinking numbers are the number one factor to winning fights. At some point players need to learn how to strategically take a keep and adding another 15 people to it isn't our preferred strategy.

And if I misinterpreted what you said that's my bad.

TBF, it's not the numbers that I feel would have added or turned the tide.

It's having a coordinated, capable squad all in TS and hitting the defenders where and how it hurts.

I saw you guys at BRK the failed attempt and the time you took it (I was the guy bailing off the oil shelf), and that's the type of coordination that swings fights.

Fifteen people aren't that big of a deal in Cyrodiil. 15 coordinated, concerted people are.

PenguinInACan

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Just more excuses for bad behavior. Being wronged in the past doesn't give valid reason to wrong others. Eye for an eye leaving everyone blind, for example.

You started your statements with 'I knew this would happen'. If you know people are going to be aggrieved, then you know the behavior is wrong. Act like you've known since second grade and show some restraint.

As someone who actually was in the group that took kc, Farra and arrius I can tell you there was no "gate camping." EP was at Alessia for an hour and we forced them to decide to keep burning camps or break off and take back spawn points. As soon as we took the keeps we left and didn't defend them. I don't understand how that is considered gate camping. We didn't even walk up to the gates...

I've said it in a previous post, if EP only pushes AD and all they have are gate keeps don't be surprised if you lose them. And lo and behold, not long after EP got the gate keeps back they flagged DC on 3 keeps. So however badly behaved you think we acted the end result was EP stopped turtling in Alessia, got the gate keeps back and started hitting DC.

I never said you camped, I said 'gated', as in opened the gates.

No matter how mad you were at the EP in Alessia, Alessia would have been yellow a lot faster if TM had just come down and helped AD overrun the keep. That's three fewer keeps you had to bother with and could've ended the situation a lot faster.

The inner trio was both a waste of time and excessive.

I agree we may have turned the tide, but we would have been contributing to however many AD there thinking numbers are the number one factor to winning fights. At some point players need to learn how to strategically take a keep and adding another 15 people to it isn't our preferred strategy.

And if I misinterpreted what you said that's my bad.

TBF, it's not the numbers that I feel would have added or turned the tide.

It's having a coordinated, capable squad all in TS and hitting the defenders where and how it hurts.

I saw you guys at BRK the failed attempt and the time you took it (I was the guy bailing off the oil shelf), and that's the type of coordination that swings fights.

Fifteen people aren't that big of a deal in Cyrodiil. 15 coordinated, concerted people are.

You gotta remember though that a lot of the time players don't recognize coordination when it's on their same faction. If we help take a keep by sieging specific points and pushing the siege first not the flags etc. the majority of people that were solo or in a non organized pug wont emulate those strategies. They will still stand in oil and siege and only push the flags. Failure is a big motivator for evolving strategies and sometimes that's better than seeing the strategies first hand by allied players.

God_flakes

PenguinInACan wrote: »

God_flakes wrote: »

I don't really see a problem with gate fighting/camping. It's a part of the map, right? It can't really be considered exploitive in any way other than you're kicking your enemy when they're down and some enemies deserve to be kicked when they're down. The only real drawback is if you make them mad enough they will do it to you when they get the chance.

That's the issue though. If taking a gate keeps is considered gate camping then there has been a pretty large reeducation of what gate camping means. If I remember from the months of being gate camped in previous campaigns you actually need to be standing directly in and/or around the gate not allowing passage to the gate keeps. We took the keeps and left...if people want to perceive that as gate camping then I guess that's fitting with how zerg is a common term for anyone with 1 more player than them as opposed to the 80-100 man groups that fits the term better.

(This isn't directed at you, just using your post to further clarify things)

You're right. Gate camping is sitting at the gates before they even get a chance to go to the gate keeps and farming them as they jump down from the spawn points. I gate camped Lothar once in Azura. He took it like a champ, though. They just fought and pushed their way out and eventually wiped us and took their keeps back.

Heike

Let's call a square, a square here:

If DC keeps PvE'ing the map early in the morning and the map is blue by lunch, it's really just a race for second place at this point.

And sure, the "oceanics" are still running overnight. But even apart from them, when I sit down at noon and log on my MacBook to check sales, and someone yells to get to Cyrodiil and I do... only to find Sooz and company taking BB, with @jameslogan425 ganking people at the postern (which I will razz her for later lol), then all you can do is laugh it up, log off, and look forward to tonight.

Is it "wrong" to be PvE'ing the map so early, in what some may call "off-hours," while the rest of us are working day jobs? Maybe. But, probably not.

Some people don't work. Some are out of school or on vacation. Who knows.

But... (and EP, listen to this)... all you can do is regroup and make the best of the cards you're dealt.

DC has over a 1,000 point lead, with 11 days to go. And has the benefit of an Asian guild poplocking AZ overnight, along with strong groups in "off-hours," should they feel they need them.

The objective is to win campaigns. And given the circumstances, DC will probably win this one.

So, can we at least post videoes and screenshots of epic battles at night, and/or discussions about gear sets and buffs/nerfs, rather than whining about large groups at night? lol

Remorseless

Or you can all come to the love palace where we can all enjoy some sexy time.

DoctorSwampy

Rylana wrote: »

PenguinInACan wrote: »

Rylana wrote: »

Cypriot122 wrote: »

Hiding? Everyone knows where we are and why. We are making so much AP, getting so many kills and having so much fun. You will have to tell all DC and EP to leave for me to leave!!

DR ran raids. We had a group of 18 yesturday because we joined with another AD group and it was a lot of fun.

We never ran more than 15 except on last emp keep defense when we had 20-24 for Patrick Scott

Stop with the disinformation, seriously, we were LUCKY if we ever had 18. (in fact the video we made for Legit's birthday was 21, and that was a special event sendoff as we were leaving the campaign)

So yeah, you guys like to claim you were so outnumbered, but tell me more about your 12-18 man groups running smackdab in the middle of frofondirzerg turning it into a 50v20 on DR even on our heaviest days.

The fact any of you had the audacity to expect me to limit our group size to 12 is still laughable as hell, considering I have yet to see TM win a fight vs DR when numbers are anywhere near even, unless you have emp + all the buffs. (still laughing about the day we killed 12 of you with nine + two pugs, and one of you sent me a tell complaining I had zerged you, you actually outnumbered US in that fight, gg)

Ya know, cause a fair fight to you is 12 TM with emp plus 30 more AD with siege, stomping the hell out of 10 guys four on one at Arrius or Farragut on keep defense.

Seriously, shut up. I lost all respect for your guild the moment you went back to AD just to outnumber the handful of EP that finally showed up on Azuras. Even with DR homed there, EP was always grossly outnumbered, but you still went back to AD to be on the "winning team"

I have no respect for that, and I never will.

Want an idea of respectable outnumbered gameplay? Go to Haderus on your AD toons and fight Pact Militia like we did all last week. But ya know, no zerg for you to fall back on there, sorta on your own.

Take a good HARD look at the group sizes in all of these clips, they vary anywhere from 6 to 16, which is what DR always runs, full raid? Get real.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=80ZlRrpxFkk

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GW6QN8xirGM

If you honestly believe we ride the backs of zergs to win all our fights/fight no opposition on equal ground you need to show me some proof. You've even run with us in the past on AD....Our tactics haven't changed, our leadership hasn't changed.

We get the same treatment every other organized guild gets on servers, flag a keep and a raid of pugs show up because it flags, and 85% of the time they won't be able to take the keep. Half of our nights are spent on the far sides of the map staying away from AD.

And why should we go play on Had for "respectable" gameplay? Rally up some 40 EP from Had and tell them to bring us the outnumbered fights we apparently don't know how to deal with. There is enough dynamic PvP on AZ to give us competition. We wipe to organized players and it doesn't bother us one bit.

All in all I know most of TM has never shown any resentment towards DR, or any other organized guild for that matter, so if you lost respect for us because you lost some outnumbered fights then I'm sorry.

NedicWildling wrote: »

Cypriot122 wrote: »

Hiding? Everyone knows where we are and why. We are making so much AP, getting so many kills and having so much fun. You will have to tell all DC and EP to leave for me to leave!!

DR ran raids. We had a group of 18 yesturday because we joined with another AD group and it was a lot of fun.

You are hiding tho, under the excuse your gm doesn't like cp servers. Fairly sure you wouldn't be making "so much AP" if there was an organized group to counter that, most of that AP comes from that DC morning group but that doesn't matter cause everyone gets in on that. TM has been hiding in servers like this forever even back when TF wasn't main server, there was TM gate camping like the champs you are. TM has the biggest collection of high rank pvp players nobody has ever heard for a reason.

So bring us some organized competition. We have never had any problem when we come up on some organization. We win some we lose some. And we've been playing away from whatever the "competitive" server is since Volendrung. If you think we are trash and nobody knows who we are go right ahead. The reason we've stuck together as a guild longer than any other PvP guild in the game is because we aren't competitive. We enjoy playing on AZ and if nobody knows who we are then we are fine keeping it that way.

TM lost my respect when they talked trash, expected us to limit group size to 12, and then came at us with stacks of AD players 50 deep + emperor at the goddamned EP gates. You even had people sending me tells badgering me about "zerging you down" when we were actually the smaller group at one point. I mean what the actual hell?

You could have switched to EP and balanced it but nope, you just wanted to screw over any competition present by trying to zerg us off the server, well done. We stayed through it all, beat AD down to a pulp, and then the DC overnight crew took over from there.

Frankly I got sick of spending half my day in tells listening to "elite players" badger me about group size while they are sitting on three bar/locked populations doing nothing to balance the map while we stood virtually alone (had some help from another ep guild when they came back from had, but by then it was too late)

Why are you still even in this thread? You left the server so get out and stop whining because you can't function when you have real competition. If your guild and you are as good as you say, why can't you wipe a small group of AD along with pugs? Pathetic.

Uncle Sheo

@Agrippa_Invisus The salt is real in this thread. Seems to be a whole lot of complaining from people who guest this campaign. Instead of being forum warriors how about you try and do something about it instead of bitching. The fact EP got their home keeps back capped isn't our problem its yours. If you stack a faction in one keep its deserved. This has happened to AD and DC plenty of times when we're defending the last emp keep. No different scenario now. All I hear is excuses why you can't compete and blaming other factions. I'm sorry but its an AvAvA. This stuff happens, you can't seriously expect to have your cake and eat it too?

Agrippa_Invisus

Uncle Sheo wrote: »

@Agrippa_Invisus The salt is real in this thread. Seems to be a whole lot of complaining from people who guest this campaign. Instead of being forum warriors how about you try and do something about it instead of bitching. The fact EP got their home keeps back capped isn't our problem its yours. If you stack a faction in one keep its deserved. This has happened to AD and DC plenty of times when we're defending the last emp keep. No different scenario now. All I hear is excuses why you can't compete and blaming other factions. I'm sorry but its an AvAvA. This stuff happens, you can't seriously expect to have your cake and eat it too?

*yawn*

Sorry, I'm afraid I was napping through your ITG'ing.

What was that again?

Uncle Sheo

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Uncle Sheo wrote: »

@Agrippa_Invisus The salt is real in this thread. Seems to be a whole lot of complaining from people who guest this campaign. Instead of being forum warriors how about you try and do something about it instead of bitching. The fact EP got their home keeps back capped isn't our problem its yours. If you stack a faction in one keep its deserved. This has happened to AD and DC plenty of times when we're defending the last emp keep. No different scenario now. All I hear is excuses why you can't compete and blaming other factions. I'm sorry but its an AvAvA. This stuff happens, you can't seriously expect to have your cake and eat it too?

*yawn*

Sorry, I'm afraid I was napping through your ITG'ing.

What was that again?

Seems like your mouth has dried up from all the salt. Your hearing has gone too?
I hope your feeling ok.

Cypriot122

Uncle Sheo wrote: »

@Agrippa_Invisus The salt is real in this thread. Seems to be a whole lot of complaining from people who guest this campaign. Instead of being forum warriors how about you try and do something about it instead of bitching. The fact EP got their home keeps back capped isn't our problem its yours. If you stack a faction in one keep its deserved. This has happened to AD and DC plenty of times when we're defending the last emp keep. No different scenario now. All I hear is excuses why you can't compete and blaming other factions. I'm sorry but its an AvAvA. This stuff happens, you can't seriously expect to have your cake and eat it too?

@Agrippa_Invisus here you go i reposted it for you since you took a nap. I really like the part about the cake.

Agrippa_Invisus

Uncle Sheo wrote: »

Agrippa_Invisus wrote: »

Uncle Sheo wrote: »

@Agrippa_Invisus The salt is real in this thread. Seems to be a whole lot of complaining from people who guest this campaign. Instead of being forum warriors how about you try and do something about it instead of bitching. The fact EP got their home keeps back capped isn't our problem its yours. If you stack a faction in one keep its deserved. This has happened to AD and DC plenty of times when we're defending the last emp keep. No different scenario now. All I hear is excuses why you can't compete and blaming other factions. I'm sorry but its an AvAvA. This stuff happens, you can't seriously expect to have your cake and eat it too?

*yawn*

Sorry, I'm afraid I was napping through your ITG'ing.

What was that again?

Seems like your mouth has dried up from all the salt. Your hearing has gone too?
I hope your feeling ok.

Considering I don't need to hear anything to read a web forum, you might consider trying that again.

Cypriot122

He was taking into consideration you might have a vision problem. I think Sheo thought this because you are such a bad player.

NedicWildling

Cypriot122 wrote: »

He was taking into consideration you might have a vision problem. I think Sheo thought this because you are such a bad player.

You of all people in TM shouldn't be pointing fingers at others for being bad players. Which in this case Agrippa isn't. I think wiping that morning DC zerg is getting to your head.

DoctorSwampy

NedicWildling wrote: »

Cypriot122 wrote: »

He was taking into consideration you might have a vision problem. I think Sheo thought this because you are such a bad player.

You of all people in TM shouldn't be pointing fingers at others for being bad players. Which in this case Agrippa isn't. I think wiping that morning DC zerg is getting to your head.

Who are you again?

yodased

Remorseless wrote: »

Or you can all come to the love palace where we can all enjoy some sexy time.

I've been to your love palace. It hurts so good.

jhharvest

Uncle Sheo wrote: »

The fact EP got their home keeps back capped isn't our problem its yours. If you stack a faction in one keep its deserved. This has happened to AD and DC plenty of times when we're defending the last emp keep.

I was there when we "stacked a faction" - it was 15 players. We had literally zero chance of trying to take our keeps back, with your group and your pugs coming to squash any sign of siege. We did the only thing we could, held the one keep we had, until you brought twice (thrice?) our numbers and the emp to push us out. No salt here, just how it was.

Yeah, the yellow emp group is strong and organised. EP doesn't have any groups like that on Azura's at the moment. We won't win the campaign, hell there's barely any fight left. Even in the quiet times we get pushed by both factions (which I get, you want cheap points from a faction that can't fight back, and AD seems *** scared of not winning the camp). So pugs don't want to play, and I don't see EP guilds joining Azura's to fight a losing battle. Maybe next cycle.

(N.B.; I am obviously not a spokesperson for the whole faction and my opinions do not necessarily represent the collective, just saying things how I see them.)

Uncle Sheo

jhharvest wrote: »

Uncle Sheo wrote: »

The fact EP got their home keeps back capped isn't our problem its yours. If you stack a faction in one keep its deserved. This has happened to AD and DC plenty of times when we're defending the last emp keep.

I was there when we "stacked a faction" - it was 15 players. We had literally zero chance of trying to take our keeps back, with your group and your pugs coming to squash any sign of siege. We did the only thing we could, held the one keep we had, until you brought twice (thrice?) our numbers and the emp to push us out. No salt here, just how it was.

Yeah, the yellow emp group is strong and organised. EP doesn't have any groups like that on Azura's at the moment. We won't win the campaign, hell there's barely any fight left. Even in the quiet times we get pushed by both factions (which I get, you want cheap points from a faction that can't fight back, and AD seems *** scared of not winning the camp). So pugs don't want to play, and I don't see EP guilds joining Azura's to fight a losing battle. Maybe next cycle.

(N.B.; I am obviously not a spokesperson for the whole faction and my opinions do not necessarily represent the collective, just saying things how I see them.)

Like I said, and you quoted me. Its not our problem its yours. But do you really blame us for kicking EP out of Alessia whilst holding up AD. Doesn't make sense to let AD "get farmed" I'm sure roles reversed an EP group wouldn't go...."oh just let TM have their farm with the entire faction" Lets not kid ourselves.