Exploiters at it Again!

hamgatan

Oh come on ZOS, seriously when are you going to fix this crap?

This entire group was chain exploiting Dragon Leap / New Crit Rush Mechanics off the rocks behind Arrius Mine into the tower.

Need the proof. Here. $%#@ Permaban already! I only caught one of them doing it on Video but they were ALL doing it.

[Edited to remove video]

_Chaos

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.


WHY DO WE HAVE A PTS SERVER?!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
It must suck coming into work every day knowing how bad of a state this game is in. I don't even feel bad for you either.

Gallifreyy

Look ma i'm famous. i finally made it!

Arthg

Mummy told you not to eat the cookies.
But the cookie jar is within-hand reach.
So you eat the cookies.
'Cause you're not a man with self-control yet.

hamgatan

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.

so by your logic because ZOS chose to intentionally write certain integer values to client side RAM, players who fiddled with those values should not be permabanned also.... because ZOS made the mistake of not keeping it controlled?

people knew it was exploitable. they exploited it to gain an advantage.

yaw'll knew this was exploitable from the PTS.. and you still exploit it in live.

no respect or sympathy. stop making excuses.

Cuyler

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.


WHY DO WE HAVE A PTS SERVER?!
@ZOS_BrianWheeler @ZOS_RichLambert @ZOS_MattFiror
It must suck coming into work every day knowing how bad of a state this game is in. I don't even feel bad for you either.

Here's an idea.....get reported. Amazing the excuses you see around here. There's no arguing, read it and weep:

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

What ZOS decides to do with you ppl afterwards is up to them. Perma-what?!

Wollust

you got completely rekt mate lol

Nightenhowl

Nothing wrong with dragon leap, however that ambush crit rush is a bit silly.

Bfish22090

did you look at the suggestions on the death recap? they may help you solve your problem

Amsel_McKay

People still PvP in ESO?

Rohamad_Ali

Death recap should say "Leave this broken place."

_Chaos

hamgatan wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.

so by your logic because ZOS chose to intentionally write certain integer values to client side RAM, players who fiddled with those values should not be permabanned also.... because ZOS made the mistake of not keeping it controlled?

people knew it was exploitable. they exploited it to gain an advantage.

yaw'll knew this was exploitable from the PTS.. and you still exploit it in live.

no respect or sympathy. stop making excuses.

There's no fiddling with values. This is game mechanics that they pushed live. They did this, not us. If they let it go into the game after it being identified on the PTS before the patch went live, it must be within the rules.

Gap closers were brought to the attention of ZOS before they pushed the changes live and they did so with full knowledge that people could do shenanigans such as the ones demonstrated in this video.

This is a tower, no keep walls or core keep mechanics were abused by jumping onto the tower. When a DK group captures a keep without taking down a wall, then you can come back and complain.

I can't wait to get in-game and leap into keeps/towers. [snip] And no, I will not get banned for doing so.

[edited for baiting]

Naslu

Naslu wrote: »

Collision system in PVP area specially castles:
- maybe Nighblade teleport strike is eventually fixed, however due to the changes off collision/anticollision system its still possible to ignore natural barriers by using rush-abillities (like giant castle walls or huge distances between outer and inner castles), link for this one has been removed from forum but there are nice videos about that on a very common video platform #working as intended#superman

included here:
https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/de/discussion/270195/the-real-patch-notes-2-4-6-hotfix
check it out the amazing stuff ;-)

haunted1994F

the struggle is real, that was not even an exploit PLS PUT DELET THREAD OPTION

Molag_Crow

Why should players get permabanned for in-game faulty mechanics? they can get up a wall by using class abilities and not 3rd party programs, so.. they don't deserve any punishment.

Of course this should be addressed and fixed ASAP, but you know...

OGLezard

Gotta love that gap closer mechanic.....nerf sorcs though am i right roflmfao

Ourorboros

No argument about players exploiting skills to enter opposition resources...I agree. However, why single out DC? The exploit is not limited to one faction, regardless of who you have on video. Edit your title already, remove the alliance bias.

Blackbird_V

Yeah but.. Daggerfall Covenant for the win.

[Deleted].

ZOS_DaryaK

We've removed the video from the opening post of this discussion due to naming and shaming. We are aware of this bug. If you wish to report someone for exploiting you should use the report function in-game.

hamgatan

Ourorboros wrote: »

No argument about players exploiting skills to enter opposition resources...I agree. However, why single out DC? The exploit is not limited to one faction, regardless of who you have on video. Edit your title already, remove the alliance bias.

Agree. Same as Z****r and D**k T********a in my own faction. Good call.. thread title changed.

Note: Looks like the snipping monster got to the video. Guess some people don't like being caught red handed..

Cuyler

Molag_Crow wrote: »

Why should players get permabanned for in-game faulty mechanics? they can get up a wall by using class abilities and not 3rd party programs, so.. they don't deserve any punishment.

Of course this should be addressed and fixed ASAP, but you know...

It's not up to us to decide, temp-ban, perma-ban, slap on the wrist, castration, etc. that's ZOS's job. It's up to us to report it. There's a difference between having used a faulty mechanic by accident and continually exploiting a faulty mechanic.

Common sense really, still amazes me though there's enough weak minded people around here to believe exploiters *** excuses why they should be able to exploit broken mechanics without consequence. It's a mindset, an ideology much like:

_Chaos wrote: »

I can't wait to get in-game and leap into keeps/towers. And no, I will not get banned for doing so.

Once this mindset is allowed to run rampant in the game, it will ruin it for everyone, and ZOS has basically failed to provide a good gaming experience for everyone.[snip]

[edited for flaming]

Gallifreyy

@ZOS_DaryaK Can i report people for being abusive?

vyndral13preub18_ESO

hamgatan wrote: »

Ourorboros wrote: »

No argument about players exploiting skills to enter opposition resources...I agree. However, why single out DC? The exploit is not limited to one faction, regardless of who you have on video. Edit your title already, remove the alliance bias.

Agree. Same as Z****r and D**k T********a in my own faction. Good call.. thread title changed.

Note: Looks like the snipping monster got to the video. Guess some people don't like being caught red handed..

I think it is more a case of Zos not liking people posting exploits. You honestly think the video would still be there if you hid the names?

Or do you mean Zos getting caught red handed not fixing things quickly when reported? If so you might be right.

hamgatan

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed the video from the opening post of this discussion due to naming and shaming. We are aware of this bug. If you wish to report someone for exploiting you should use the report function in-game.

Why? So I can watch the report go unanswered in my Account portal for 6 months whilst the problem keeps festering?

magnusthorek

Bugs are there to be exploited... BY TESTERS! If you found a bug and are intentionally exploiting it in the Live server you MUST be punished.

ZOS can't simply just pat your back saying that's wrong and you falsely promise you won't do it again.

If you exploited a known (or even an unknown) bug to your benefit YOU... ARE... A CHEATER!

No excuses, nothing more, nothing less, I done with my arguments, Your Honor

_Chaos

Reporting @Cuyler for being mean and making personal attacks.


Many people as well as myself have been leaping into keeps since the beginning of the game, nothings changed, and never will. See you on the inside of your keep tonight sweet cheeks!

P.S
Is it really exploiting if ZOS intentionally put it in the game after knowing full well that it worked this way?
j/k your opinion doesn't matter, it was a rhetorical question.

Cuyler

_Chaos wrote: »

Reporting @Cuyler for being mean and making personal attacks.


Many people as well as myself have been leaping into keeps since the beginning of the game, nothings changed, and never will. See you on the inside of your keep tonight sweet cheeks!

P.S
Is it really exploiting if ZOS intentionally put it in the game after knowing full well that it worked this way?
j/k your opinion doesn't matter, it was a rhetorical question.

That's fine @_Chaos, I don't mind potentially losing my forum acct if it means another exploiter is brought out from the toxic underbelly of the game, to potentially lose their ingame-acct. I don't need to continue either, you've sufficiently made everyone aware of your intentions here.

P.S. grow up

Gallifreyy

it disturbs me to think that so many of you down know what cheating is. @_Chaos thank you for being reasonable human being

_Chaos

Cuyler wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

Reporting @Cuyler for being mean and making personal attacks.


Many people as well as myself have been leaping into keeps since the beginning of the game, nothings changed, and never will. See you on the inside of your keep tonight sweet cheeks!

P.S
Is it really exploiting if ZOS intentionally put it in the game after knowing full well that it worked this way?
j/k your opinion doesn't matter, it was a rhetorical question.

That's fine Chaos, I don't mind losing my forum acct if it means another exploiter is brought out from the toxic underbelly of the game. I don't need to continue either and you've sufficiently made everyone aware of your intentions here.

P.S. grow up

@Cuyler

If I host an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, and provide a 60oz of Whiskey for all my members to drink, is it the fault of the AA members for drinking it? Or mine for bringing that whiskey?

If ZOS hosts a game and provides faulty mechanics that originally worked, is it the fault of players for using the new mechanics that ZOS deemed fit, even though they could've kept the old ones in place?

SwaminoNowlino

Going to keep on saying this.

Zenimax changed gap closers. There were numerous reports on the PTS forum about gap closers performing in unintentional ways as demonstrated in the OP. Zenimax chose to do nothing, and allow this to push to live with the reported bugs.

If a player, or group of players, does not participate in the forums or read these particular threads, THEY HAVE ABSOLUTELY ZERO WAY TO KNOW THIS WAS NOT AN INTENDED GAME MECHANIC! So how, pray tell, are they cheating?

If I were a brand new player to this game, there is absolutely nothing Zenimax has stated in game/load screen/email or even on top of the forum website about this being an "exploit." Zenimax is doing their absolute damnedest to sweep this under the rug. @ZOS_DaryaK is sweeper in chief who will do anything and everything to keep this stuff hidden.

So if I were a new player, a casual, who had no interest on the forums, and though DK's were cool, how am I to know that I shouldn't be able to use an ability called "Take Flight" where I literally leap into the air with wings, to fly up onto walls or resources?

Are the players OP referring to aware that they are "exploiting" a broken mechanic? Maybe, heck I'd even lean towards probably. But does OP know that for certain? Even if they do actually know it, they have a darn good argument if ZOS tries to punish them that they have absolutely zero way of knowing its not intended.

So there are two possible things that can occur before you label anyone doing this with "cheater." Zenimax must state somewhere that isn't hidden in a forum thread (i.e. IN GAME) that this is a broken mechanic that is considered and exploit. Or, and here is a wild thought, ZOS could just fix their game.

ZOS hasn't even publicly admitted that it is having an issue with CE cheaters outside of buried in a specific forum post. I'd argue that roughly 90% of the player population isn't even aware of these forums, much less the cheating threads. As far as I know if I just picked up the game on PC and saw people flying and bombing meteors, that may be a completely intended mechanic.

I'm not saying these guys aren't exploiting. I'm saying let's start by holding the right people accountable.

NewBlacksmurf

This game is taking the same path as DAoC....I liked DAoC but quit PvP due to stuff like this and seeing similar dev team members from that game here.....I guess we should expect the same.

Soon to be owned by EA games
RIP DAoC