Exploiters at it Again!

rfennell_ESO

yodased wrote: »

I just want to be 100% clear for anyone that didn't actually read what I wrote.

My problem is with gap closers and skills putting you through walls and doors, not with dragon leap.

ZOS says don't dragon leap into keeps, so I don't do it, but I personally see 0 problems with that or any other legitimate use of skills and terrain to access areas.

The problem will be that a lot of times it happens by accident.

I've ended up in keeps by accident by ambushing though a door.

I've also gotten into keeps by purposefully ambushing through a door as well though.

Do I think it's an exploit to spam ambush on the running potato I know is clicking on a door? Not really.

I can tell you there are far more abuseable things that can be done cross faction.

Did you know that if you ambush someone as they use shadow image you follow them to wherever they are going without los meaning a thing? I've had it happen on accident a slew of times and just laughed.

I guess the point is that when people start coordinating to do these things intentionally there is a line where you can say it's exploiting, of course good luck proving it. All they have to do is be in the same Team Speak and say I'm clicking the door NOW or using shadow image NOW. You can't even reasonably be expected to police that, nor could you. Stuff that can be covered by "it was by accident" will be very difficult to successfully argue as exploiting, even if it is.

yodased

Grao wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.

so by your logic because ZOS chose to intentionally write certain integer values to client side RAM, players who fiddled with those values should not be permabanned also.... because ZOS made the mistake of not keeping it controlled?

people knew it was exploitable. they exploited it to gain an advantage.

yaw'll knew this was exploitable from the PTS.. and you still exploit it in live.

no respect or sympathy. stop making excuses.

There's no fiddling with values. This is game mechanics that they pushed live. They did this, not us. If they let it go into the game after it being identified on the PTS before the patch went live, it must be within the rules.

Gap closers were brought to the attention of ZOS before they pushed the changes live and they did so with full knowledge that people could do shenanigans such as the ones demonstrated in this video.

This is a tower, no keep walls or core keep mechanics were abused by jumping onto the tower. When a DK group captures a keep without taking down a wall, then you can come back and complain.

I can't wait to get in-game and leap into keeps/towers. [snip] And no, I will not get banned for doing so.

[edited for baiting]

So you found a loop hole. Because a tower is technically not a keep and ZOS didn't explicitly include towers in their message that jumping into keeps is a bug and not intended you think it's ok to exploit leap mechanics for towers?! Use some common sense man. Your exploiting a bug not intended. Regardless if it's a keep or a tower it's a resource that can be captured by enemy faction. Your line of reasoning is off.

nvm, it's hopeless. lmao

Yeah your logic is like this. You walk into a bank and see a bag of money on the floor. No ones watching so you take the bag and walk out. You get caught and your argument is, well the bank shouldn't have left it there. It's there fault! No security guards to stop me!

Even though we all damn well know that taking that money was wrong.

In your case your abusing a bug. ZOS has made it clear that that bug is not intended. Yet you try to blame ZOS for letting you do it. Where is your integrity?

Again with the real life crime analogies...

Grao wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.

so by your logic because ZOS chose to intentionally write certain integer values to client side RAM, players who fiddled with those values should not be permabanned also.... because ZOS made the mistake of not keeping it controlled?

people knew it was exploitable. they exploited it to gain an advantage.

yaw'll knew this was exploitable from the PTS.. and you still exploit it in live.

no respect or sympathy. stop making excuses.

There's no fiddling with values. This is game mechanics that they pushed live. They did this, not us. If they let it go into the game after it being identified on the PTS before the patch went live, it must be within the rules.

Gap closers were brought to the attention of ZOS before they pushed the changes live and they did so with full knowledge that people could do shenanigans such as the ones demonstrated in this video.

This is a tower, no keep walls or core keep mechanics were abused by jumping onto the tower. When a DK group captures a keep without taking down a wall, then you can come back and complain.

I can't wait to get in-game and leap into keeps/towers. [snip] And no, I will not get banned for doing so.

[edited for baiting]

So you found a loop hole. Because a tower is technically not a keep and ZOS didn't explicitly include towers in their message that jumping into keeps is a bug and not intended you think it's ok to exploit leap mechanics for towers?! Use some common sense man. Your exploiting a bug not intended. Regardless if it's a keep or a tower it's a resource that can be captured by enemy faction. Your line of reasoning is off.

nvm, it's hopeless. lmao

Yeah your logic is like this. You walk into a bank and see a bag of money on the floor. No ones watching so you take the bag and walk out. You get caught and your argument is, well the bank shouldn't have left it there. It's there fault! No security guards to stop me!

Even though we all damn well know that taking that money was wrong.

In your case your abusing a bug. ZOS has made it clear that that bug is not intended. Yet you try to blame ZOS for letting you do it. Where is your integrity?

Again with the real life crime analogies...

Worse, your analogy isn't even adequate, let me correct it for you. What Zenimax did here is the equivalent of the bank manager taking a bag of cash and start throwing money out of the window while shouting "Hey, don't grab that money!". That is a far better analogy.

If you grabbed that money and had it in your possession you could be arrested.

Just cause he is throwing it out the window doesn't make it yours man, especially with that caveat

Cuyler

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Players should now report all cheaters/exploiters on esocheaters.com with names and videos clearly shown.

If you do something like this, make sure your details arent in the video.

Not sure if a threat or just good advice....

Xjcon

_Chaos wrote: »

Xjcon wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

@yodased

Lets break it down real slow for you, mmkay?

yodased wrote: »

Real world examples is driving 100mph on a 65mph zone and stating you didn't know the speed limit, so it's acceptable.

Even when there's no speed limit signs posted anywhere?

yodased wrote: »

You accept that every rule that they make you will not break, if you know them or not, when you sign your name to that Terms of Service.

What rule? Rules have to be made before they can be broken, where are you seeing this rule in-game? Forum posts are not official game rules FYI, if that were the case it would be mandatory to have a forum account, which is not the case.

yodased wrote: »

you don't have to specifically search for everything, you make a blanket acceptance of these rules, made known or not.

If Canada outlawed Oakleys and didn't tell anyone, you'd really blame the people wearing the designer sunglasses? Because known or not, you are a citizen of Canada and that's against the law. SURPRISE MOTHER*&%*ER, you're being deported. L2ReadMinds.

You make an interesting point. Do you make sure someone puts up a sign in front of your toilet that says the tank is not a backstop for your urine? Or perhaps you would argue that because there is no sign, you should just drop the used toilet paper on then ground.

Regardless of a new law or not if you are ignorant to it you will still face the penalty.

Do you ban people for using a leap ability to leap onto things?

Using of any bug to exploit the game should be considered. If the person was warned that it's not an intended mechanic then that particular person should certainly receive a ban.

Xjcon

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lol just going to throw this out there. But I got out of a speeding ticket, obviously appeared in court it was the judge discretion, because the sign listing 55 was obstructed from view.

There was tree branches in front of it which I didnt know at the time. I told the officer that I didn't see a sign posted (this was a speed trap 65 to 55 then back to 65 in a short distance) the officer wasnt hearing that. So before this court date I looked up where the sign would be posted, took a picture of the sign with branches in front of it, went to court with it and viola the speeding ticket was overturned. The officer didn't seem to pleased, the judge even less so but I'm guessing for different reasons.

Again, fine in this particular instance you were technically correct because the signage was unfairly blocked and you could not know there was a dip in the speed limit. That is nowhere near the same thing as driving 130 mph in that 65mph zone because you didn't see a 65mph speed limit.

It's a asinine conversation that only shows that people want to get any advantage possible, fair or unfair, and then will justify those actions to themselves as 'correct'

Well one of the biggest arguments you will see in law is what does reasonable mean?

Obviously doing 135 mph is unreasonable no matter the signage.

Jumping into a keep with dragon leap isn't 135 mph unreasonable...

CE and whatnot is your proverbial 135 mph, many other things are more like the missed sign.

You are mostly correct. There is no life or safety risk in exploiting mechanics in the game. But there is with exceeding the speed limit. However the point most are trying to make is that breaking an obvious rule/law should be considered wrong. ZoS has said it's not intended, and players doing things in game to exploit should be dealt with.

Xjcon

Xylphan wrote: »

This thread is why we have to put warnings and cautions about absolutely stupid things, like not using a hair dryer while taking a shower.

In most cases, it's pretty damn obvious when something in the game isn't behaving like it should. Knowingly abusing such circumstances is just like saying "I didn't know I wasn't supposed to shower while using a hair dryer!". Well, yeah you did. You're just feigning ignorance to get out of trouble (or get a huge payday).

Go ahead and exploit away. Maybe you'll get caught, and maybe you won't. But don't come searching for sympathy if you get banned or permabanned.

You sir should win the Internet today.

Grao

Xjcon wrote: »

rfennell_ESO wrote: »

yodased wrote: »

jcasini222ub17_ESO wrote: »

Lol just going to throw this out there. But I got out of a speeding ticket, obviously appeared in court it was the judge discretion, because the sign listing 55 was obstructed from view.

There was tree branches in front of it which I didnt know at the time. I told the officer that I didn't see a sign posted (this was a speed trap 65 to 55 then back to 65 in a short distance) the officer wasnt hearing that. So before this court date I looked up where the sign would be posted, took a picture of the sign with branches in front of it, went to court with it and viola the speeding ticket was overturned. The officer didn't seem to pleased, the judge even less so but I'm guessing for different reasons.

Again, fine in this particular instance you were technically correct because the signage was unfairly blocked and you could not know there was a dip in the speed limit. That is nowhere near the same thing as driving 130 mph in that 65mph zone because you didn't see a 65mph speed limit.

It's a asinine conversation that only shows that people want to get any advantage possible, fair or unfair, and then will justify those actions to themselves as 'correct'

Well one of the biggest arguments you will see in law is what does reasonable mean?

Obviously doing 135 mph is unreasonable no matter the signage.

Jumping into a keep with dragon leap isn't 135 mph unreasonable...

CE and whatnot is your proverbial 135 mph, many other things are more like the missed sign.

You are mostly correct. There is no life or safety risk in exploiting mechanics in the game. But there is with exceeding the speed limit. However the point most are trying to make is that breaking an obvious rule/law should be considered wrong. ZoS has said it's not intended, and players doing things in game to exploit should be dealt with.

Oooor ZOS could just own up to their screw ups and let people use the abilities as they are until they find a fix for them. It would reduce considerably the frustration from players and all the silly, unnecessary toxicity, not to mention would free up those in charge of reviewing reports to deal with those really causing issues, people that hacking this game to benefit not only in PvP but also in PvE. Now, those guys deserve to be banned... People using silly exploits like dragon leaping over a wall or charging through a damn door should, at best, have their names put in a ;wall of shame'.

NativeJoe

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SbyAZQ45uww

You keep playin' where you shouldn't be playin'
And you keep thinkin' that you'll never get burned, ha!
I just found me a brand new box of matches, yeah
And what he knows, you ain't had time to learn

just saying.

Rune_Relic

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

SwaminoNowlino wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

Read this again^, until it really sinks in. All these excuses are just BS, get some self control, pls.

Keep posting and editing it man, it aint worth a damn. If we went to court about this and you tried to use that, any judge would laugh you out of the court room. No where in the TOS does it say I have to search the forums every patch about every possible permutation of ability usage. No where in the TOS does it even say I have to know the forums exist. So I could easily argue, and win 100% of the time that I had no way of knowing it was an "exploit."

But please continue to live in your world without nuance or critical thinking. It makes these forums so much more interesting.

What are you getting on about? go to the natch potes thread, the orginal message is there in black and white. I didn't edit ***. I'm editing my statements because what I want to say to you sympathizers the first time around would get me forum banned immediately. So I need to edit MY statements, after a few more sips of coffee.

And I'm not sure you actually know what critical thinking is at this point. You're describing a loop-hole that con-artist's use to get out of being labeled an exploiter as being reason to not fight the good fight here? first of all GG, second you're not thinking critically.

I realize that there are a few legitimate excuses, thanks Cpt. obvious. But clearly, as this thread shows there are those who will use these excuses to simply CON.

EDIT: here I'll even link it to you, https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/comment/3048274/#Comment_3048274

I'm not entirely sure you understand the definition of critical thinking... I'll just leave this here for you, "Critical Thinking - the objective analysis and evaluation of an issue in order to form a judgment."

See the word objective? This is something I am able to be regarding this, as I am performing an objective analysis to point out why 90+% of the players are probably unaware that this is an exploit. You have already decided that anyone doing this is fully aware of it and is 100% unequivocally a cheater and must be punished. i.e. not objective.

And EVERYONE in game is fully aware they need siege to break down walls in order to enter a keep.
Saying....oh I thought these people was exempt from that mechanic out of feigned ignorance shouldnt be any defence what so ever.
These people are knowingly and intentionally avoiding the 'known acceptable' mechanics of entering an enemy keep.
ie intentionally sticking 2 fingers up at ZOS and doing it their way.
Deliberately employing skills in a way that was unintended...repeatedly...and in defiance when instructed by ZOS that entering a keep by any other means than sieging walls was not intended.

They think they are being clever..fine.
I hope their arrogance is rewarded.

ZOS_DaryaK

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Recremen

Cuyler wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Wait really tho, question: Do you guys report people who get into towers for exploiting?

Didn't even occur to me that people might get reported for this.

For me that sounds pretty silly. 'Oh, I am going to report you because you used your ability as the game allows you too without using any special code or cheat...'

Zenimax is aware this is happening, they were made aware of it in the PTS, they didn't cared and released the game with the bug... Why should players avoid using this if the Devs them selves couldn't care less?

You're serious? like really? can we get off the "Zeni put it there so I ccan use it". It's ridiculous. And quite frankly ruinous to the game. My suggestion, don't make yourself a part of the problem, be a part of a solution.

Infinite trap damage and infinite backlash damage were/are there too, should we all just accept it as intended as go craxy with the stuff? gtfoh

Except those abilities were actually functioning aberrantly due to a bug in the code, whereas leap is working exactly as intended with no bugs and people have retroactively decided it should not work in one specific circumstance.

khele23eb17_ESO

Recremen wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Wait really tho, question: Do you guys report people who get into towers for exploiting?

Didn't even occur to me that people might get reported for this.

For me that sounds pretty silly. 'Oh, I am going to report you because you used your ability as the game allows you too without using any special code or cheat...'

Zenimax is aware this is happening, they were made aware of it in the PTS, they didn't cared and released the game with the bug... Why should players avoid using this if the Devs them selves couldn't care less?

You're serious? like really? can we get off the "Zeni put it there so I ccan use it". It's ridiculous. And quite frankly ruinous to the game. My suggestion, don't make yourself a part of the problem, be a part of a solution.

Infinite trap damage and infinite backlash damage were/are there too, should we all just accept it as intended as go craxy with the stuff? gtfoh

Except those abilities were actually functioning aberrantly due to a bug in the code, whereas leap is working exactly as intended with no bugs and people have retroactively decided it should not work in one specific circumstance.

If those people are the devs...

LegacyDM

Grao wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

LegacyDM wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

hamgatan wrote: »

_Chaos wrote: »

Permaban players for something ZOS intentionally put in the game?! Get [snip]ed bud.
& don't you dare try to argue it wasn't intentional, we reported it on PTS and the forums, showing videos clear as day. All they had to do was revert the changes, if anything permaban the ones that let this go live.

so by your logic because ZOS chose to intentionally write certain integer values to client side RAM, players who fiddled with those values should not be permabanned also.... because ZOS made the mistake of not keeping it controlled?

people knew it was exploitable. they exploited it to gain an advantage.

yaw'll knew this was exploitable from the PTS.. and you still exploit it in live.

no respect or sympathy. stop making excuses.

There's no fiddling with values. This is game mechanics that they pushed live. They did this, not us. If they let it go into the game after it being identified on the PTS before the patch went live, it must be within the rules.

Gap closers were brought to the attention of ZOS before they pushed the changes live and they did so with full knowledge that people could do shenanigans such as the ones demonstrated in this video.

This is a tower, no keep walls or core keep mechanics were abused by jumping onto the tower. When a DK group captures a keep without taking down a wall, then you can come back and complain.

I can't wait to get in-game and leap into keeps/towers. [snip] And no, I will not get banned for doing so.

[edited for baiting]

So you found a loop hole. Because a tower is technically not a keep and ZOS didn't explicitly include towers in their message that jumping into keeps is a bug and not intended you think it's ok to exploit leap mechanics for towers?! Use some common sense man. Your exploiting a bug not intended. Regardless if it's a keep or a tower it's a resource that can be captured by enemy faction. Your line of reasoning is off.

nvm, it's hopeless. lmao

Yeah your logic is like this. You walk into a bank and see a bag of money on the floor. No ones watching so you take the bag and walk out. You get caught and your argument is, well the bank shouldn't have left it there. It's there fault! No security guards to stop me!

Even though we all damn well know that taking that money was wrong.

In your case your abusing a bug. ZOS has made it clear that that bug is not intended. Yet you try to blame ZOS for letting you do it. Where is your integrity?

Again with the real life crime analogies...

Worse, your analogy isn't even adequate, let me correct it for you. What Zenimax did here is the equivalent of the bank manager taking a bag of cash and start throwing money out of the window while shouting "Hey, don't grab that money!". That is a far better analogy.

Wrong.

Ok let's take your example. If a bank manager throws money out a window and tells you not to take it you take the money anyways? no questions asked? If you answer yes you've committed a crime. If you answer no than you've proven my point and contradict what you've done in game.

You sir are taking advantage of a non intended bug and you know it.

This is the problem with this generation. It must be ok to use cheat engine because Zos lets me do it. It's Zos's fault for not buying punk buster or writing code to prevent third party software. Stupid bass awkwards thinking. It's ok to exploit a bug because Zos lets me do it.

Sigh there's no personal accountability or integrity with players today. Instead people want to ruin the game play of others or feel so insecure they need to resort to exploits and cheats.

LegacyDM

Smolt wrote: »

I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.

Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...

Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.

Arthg

Cookie jar ain't locked up, I'mma have me a taste.
Mummy turn up I'mma throw a tantrum.
Meantime, I'mma roxxor my four-year-old bruh at Snakes n' Ladders, rules don't state I can't move my pawn diagonally.

I'm so l33t.

daemonios

I'm really starting to lose faith both in my fellow players and in ZOS on this cheating issue...

And I'm tired of seeing the same stupid arguments thrown around regarding the fact that some of the cheats involve bugs which are ZOS' responsibility. Stuff like:

- ZOS left the guns with the toddlers, can't complain if they shoot them;
- ZOS brought booze to an AA meeting, is it the players' fault if they drink it;
- ZOS opened the bank vault and tossed money around while saying "don't grab that money".

Well, I'd like to know. Are you a child? Are you an alcoholic? Are you a freaking thief?

I'm not. I'm an adult player with a basic sense of right and wrong. Even if I know gap closers and dragon leap allow you to enter keeps, I can choose not to use them. Whoever defends that using exploits - expressly declared by ZOS to be exploits - is OK simply because they're in the game is basically saying they have the moral compass of a child, or an alcoholic, or a thief. To Oblivion with you all.

kadar

Joy_Division wrote: »

A little perspective here would be nice. Comparing a DK leaping into a keep to real life crime and cheating is a excessive to say the least.

I don't see what the big deal is with DK's leaping onto walls. It's all in good fun and even the better DKs don't do very much while up there. As a defender of said keep, I actually wholeheartedly welcome it, left-clicking siege and trying to snipe unsuspecting siege operators is dreadfully boring. Attention all DKs: PLEASE Dragon Leap up onto the castle walls to fight me! It's fun ... and I enjoy fighting you when you have zero ultimate I always stand at the very edge to entice these wing wonders to party up on the ramparts.

You NBs are a different story with teleport strike. A basic skill and you don't even have the decency to finish what you started! You'd rather skulk off undetected and just gank some poor unsuspecting soul on siege. That goes beyond playful fun and behavior that warrants mercilessly and continuous Jesus Beaming upon sighting said NB.

Yeah, seems like people are discussing multiple different things and trying to apply the same logic, arguments, and opinions to everything. And then there's the usual bickering...

@Joy_Division , this is exactly how I feel about, to be clear, gap closing or leaping (DK or WW) into enemy keeps/towers/terrain from respectable height differences. Like you said it's all in good fun. I try to break the monotony of seige vs. troll repair every-day Cyrodiil and jump on unsuspecting defenders. In the same way, I welcome the challenge of he-who-is-bold-enough to jump up onto my wall.

And pls don't lump the entire NB class into the insta-gib, runs away at first sign of actual combat, category. Some of us actually enjoy fighting toe-to-toe in the light of day (altho it does burn my delicate vampire skin).

PS: I'd dragon leap you on a wall any day, except I think we're both EP so...

Gallifreyy

Just wow some of you people are thick and people trying to refer to real life just impress me with stupidity.

Zos added these gap closer changes with full knowledge of what you can do and then still let it go live. I could say the same thing about all you little zerglings EXPLOITING AOE caps because your too much of a potato to do much else than just be fodder. You struggle so hard with L2P.

If ZOS didn't want any of these gap closing mechanics (teleport strike, dragon leap and now the new crit rush and shield charge) going around game objectives they would have taken it out back in the first ever week of beta 3 years ago when i started playing.

hamgatan

Gallifreyy wrote: »

Just wow some of you people are thick and people trying to refer to real life just impress me with stupidity.

Zos added these gap closer changes with full knowledge of what you can do and then still let it go live. I could say the same thing about all you little zerglings EXPLOITING AOE caps because your too much of a potato to do much else than just be fodder. You struggle so hard with L2P.

If ZOS didn't want any of these gap closing mechanics (teleport strike, dragon leap and now the new crit rush and shield charge) going around game objectives they would have taken it out back in the first ever week of beta 3 years ago when i started playing.

Perhaps you lack basic comprehension skills in the English Language. Whilst this has been posted several times in this thread allow me to repost it again.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

It is not intended that players can completely bypass core Keep capture mechanics by leaping onto walls and into enemy Keeps. You should always have to enter enemy Keeps by taking down a door or wall - any other way is a bug. We are aware that Dragonknights have been able to do this for a while, and and are working to change it.

There is no justification. That's the official word. ZOS > you.

What you say to is Learn 2 Play. What you really mean is Learn 2 Exploit. They are not the same thing and are a crutch for poorly skilled potatoes.

Also waving the 'I Played Beta' Flag is meaningless. We all did.. and we have the Monkey to prove it. That's not even a valid argument anymore.

hamgatan

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is that why the threads been disabled from being bumped and getting notifications now?

XANTITHESISX

ZOS_DaryaK wrote: »

We've removed several posts that were discussing moderation. Any questions or concerns regarding moderator action on these forums should be sent to the moderator via private message. Please try to remember that the primary responsibility of forum moderators is to maintain civil and constructive discussion in this community.

We don't allow naming-and-shaming on these forums because it generally involves an in-game situation and/or Terms of Service violation, which the ESO Community Team is unable to assist with. Naming-and-shaming typically elevates to a point where the subject feels legitimately harassed. We believe that naming-and-shaming posts and threads can be abused and are very harmful to the community. We also don't feel that publicly calling out or accusing others by name on our forums is in spirit of the game or our community.

Cheating or being caught cheating is not in the spirit of the game or the community either.. yet it continues... and continues. Who cares if the cheaters feels harassed. Simple.. don't cheat.

As I have said, if there are no real consequences then it will continue.

I agree that <b>ABUSING</b> "Naming & Shaming" is harmful to the community but ask yourself. What is worse on the community in the long run, allowing the few and minority that are ruining the game for the people that love the game and basically enabling the cheaters/exploiters to continue with no real consequences?

It is obvious they couldn't care less about the game... only themselves. The cheaters will leave the game when no one wants them in their guild or wants to group with them. It appears that ZOS cares more about the feelings of the cheaters than the cheated.

Instead let them hang around with a simple 3 day ban while they run off 20 people that cared about the game. People do not want to invest into a game that is being controlled by those that cheat. Why would anyone want to continue to spend money on something that they do not feel secure in the longevity of the game due to exploits/hacks/cheats?

I wish ZOS would reconsider naming these individuals.. there is a difference between naming and abusing. The video was enough proof and nothing negative was said about the cheater other than the <b>TRUTH</b> .

Until then I look forward to ESOCheaters.com

XANTITHESISX

I find it funny that this thread doesn't bump to the top when someone replies that confirms my belief that ZOS is trying to bury these topics for appearance sakes... We wouldnt want the general public that may be checking out information on the game to see that cheaters are running rampant with no real consequences.

Cuyler

Recremen wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Wait really tho, question: Do you guys report people who get into towers for exploiting?

Didn't even occur to me that people might get reported for this.

For me that sounds pretty silly. 'Oh, I am going to report you because you used your ability as the game allows you too without using any special code or cheat...'

Zenimax is aware this is happening, they were made aware of it in the PTS, they didn't cared and released the game with the bug... Why should players avoid using this if the Devs them selves couldn't care less?

You're serious? like really? can we get off the "Zeni put it there so I ccan use it". It's ridiculous. And quite frankly ruinous to the game. My suggestion, don't make yourself a part of the problem, be a part of a solution.

Infinite trap damage and infinite backlash damage were/are there too, should we all just accept it as intended as go craxy with the stuff? gtfoh

Except those abilities were actually functioning aberrantly due to a bug in the code, whereas leap is working exactly as intended with no bugs and people have retroactively decided it should not work in one specific circumstance.

Go back and re-read Jessica's statement again please. This is not intended. Wtb reading comprehension.

ZOS_DaryaK

I apologize, folks, when I moderated this thread I had closed it and when I reopened it, I missed a step which caused it to not move up when it was replied to. I have corrected my error. Thank you for for bringing it to my attention!

Recremen

Cuyler wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Wait really tho, question: Do you guys report people who get into towers for exploiting?

Didn't even occur to me that people might get reported for this.

For me that sounds pretty silly. 'Oh, I am going to report you because you used your ability as the game allows you too without using any special code or cheat...'

Zenimax is aware this is happening, they were made aware of it in the PTS, they didn't cared and released the game with the bug... Why should players avoid using this if the Devs them selves couldn't care less?

You're serious? like really? can we get off the "Zeni put it there so I ccan use it". It's ridiculous. And quite frankly ruinous to the game. My suggestion, don't make yourself a part of the problem, be a part of a solution.

Infinite trap damage and infinite backlash damage were/are there too, should we all just accept it as intended as go craxy with the stuff? gtfoh

Except those abilities were actually functioning aberrantly due to a bug in the code, whereas leap is working exactly as intended with no bugs and people have retroactively decided it should not work in one specific circumstance.

Go back and re-read Jessica's statement again please. This is not intended. Wtb reading comprehension.

@Cuyler
WTB historic context. DK have done this for ages and we're only now hearing that it's "unintended". I highly doubt this was always the case.

Cuyler

Recremen wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Wait really tho, question: Do you guys report people who get into towers for exploiting?

Didn't even occur to me that people might get reported for this.

For me that sounds pretty silly. 'Oh, I am going to report you because you used your ability as the game allows you too without using any special code or cheat...'

Zenimax is aware this is happening, they were made aware of it in the PTS, they didn't cared and released the game with the bug... Why should players avoid using this if the Devs them selves couldn't care less?

You're serious? like really? can we get off the "Zeni put it there so I ccan use it". It's ridiculous. And quite frankly ruinous to the game. My suggestion, don't make yourself a part of the problem, be a part of a solution.

Infinite trap damage and infinite backlash damage were/are there too, should we all just accept it as intended as go craxy with the stuff? gtfoh

Except those abilities were actually functioning aberrantly due to a bug in the code, whereas leap is working exactly as intended with no bugs and people have retroactively decided it should not work in one specific circumstance.

Go back and re-read Jessica's statement again please. This is not intended. Wtb reading comprehension.

@Cuyler
WTB historic context. DK have done this for ages and we're only now hearing that it's "unintended". I highly doubt this was always the case.

@Recremen I can't sell you historic context. However, you could provide it here by citing any sort of official reference (ESO live, forum post, etc.) to where this was described to be an intended mechanic. It would put a little substance behind your argument.

EDIT: Historically, I don't recall them ever stating anything other than this is not intended.

Arthg

Gallifreyy wrote: »

Just wow some of you people are thick and people trying to refer to real life just impress me with stupidity.

Zos added these gap closer changes with full knowledge of what you can do and then still let it go live. I could say the same thing about all you little zerglings EXPLOITING AOE caps because your too much of a potato to do much else than just be fodder. You struggle so hard with L2P.

If ZOS didn't want any of these gap closing mechanics (teleport strike, dragon leap and now the new crit rush and shield charge) going around game objectives they would have taken it out back in the first ever week of beta 3 years ago when i started playing.

Throwing a tantrum, now, are we?
Calling the people who disagree with you "thick" doesn't make you any more convincing, you know.

The people who made the game have said that a certain move shouldn't be made.
You decide to do it anyway, that's OK.
We'll all survive.

You just have no self-control, and very little respect for the game and the players, that's all.

And trying to create a strawman by calling something intended an "exploit", and calling fellow players "potatoes"...
That's lame.

Your scorn shows.
Not surprising you're one of those exploiters.

Drakoleon

Perma ban some zeni programmers better they knew about that since PTS ....right? They did nothing to fix it like always and then we blame the "exploiters" Blame zeni not the gamers

DaveMoeDee

Wow, this is not even close to permaban bad. It may be an exploit, but what does it really impact? Not much.

Recremen

Cuyler wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Recremen wrote: »

Cuyler wrote: »

Grao wrote: »

The_Outsider wrote: »

Wait really tho, question: Do you guys report people who get into towers for exploiting?

Didn't even occur to me that people might get reported for this.

For me that sounds pretty silly. 'Oh, I am going to report you because you used your ability as the game allows you too without using any special code or cheat...'

Zenimax is aware this is happening, they were made aware of it in the PTS, they didn't cared and released the game with the bug... Why should players avoid using this if the Devs them selves couldn't care less?

You're serious? like really? can we get off the "Zeni put it there so I ccan use it". It's ridiculous. And quite frankly ruinous to the game. My suggestion, don't make yourself a part of the problem, be a part of a solution.

Infinite trap damage and infinite backlash damage were/are there too, should we all just accept it as intended as go craxy with the stuff? gtfoh

Except those abilities were actually functioning aberrantly due to a bug in the code, whereas leap is working exactly as intended with no bugs and people have retroactively decided it should not work in one specific circumstance.

Go back and re-read Jessica's statement again please. This is not intended. Wtb reading comprehension.

@Cuyler
WTB historic context. DK have done this for ages and we're only now hearing that it's "unintended". I highly doubt this was always the case.

@Recremen I can't sell you historic context. However, you could provide it here by citing any sort of official reference (ESO live, forum post, etc.) to where this was described to be an intended mechanic. It would put a little substance behind your argument.

EDIT: Historically, I don't recall them ever stating anything other than this is not intended.

There was no explicit statement, but years of silence on the matter speaks volumes.