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Exploiters at it Again!
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See that's where you lose me, IIRC they have stated explicitly no less than 3 times over the last year that this is not intended and they have been working on a fix. edit: if I get some time, I'll back that statement up with a source. at work atm.
@Recremen I can't sell you historic context. However, you could provide it here by citing any sort of official reference (ESO live, forum post, etc.) to where this was described to be an intended mechanic. It would put a little substance behind your argument.
You're serious? like really? can we get off the "Zeni put it there so I ccan use it". It's ridiculous. And quite frankly ruinous to the game. My suggestion, don't make yourself a part of the problem, be a part of a solution.The_Outsider wrote: »Wait really tho, question: Do you guys report people who get into towers for exploiting?
Didn't even occur to me that people might get reported for this.
For me that sounds pretty silly. 'Oh, I am going to report you because you used your ability as the game allows you too without using any special code or cheat...'
Zenimax is aware this is happening, they were made aware of it in the PTS, they didn't cared and released the game with the bug... Why should players avoid using this if the Devs them selves couldn't care less?
Infinite trap damage and infinite backlash damage were/are there too, should we all just accept it as intended as go craxy with the stuff? gtfoh
Except those abilities were actually functioning aberrantly due to a bug in the code, whereas leap is working exactly as intended with no bugs and people have retroactively decided it should not work in one specific circumstance.
Go back and re-read Jessica's statement again please. This is not intended. Wtb reading comprehension.
@Cuyler
WTB historic context. DK have done this for ages and we're only now hearing that it's "unintended". I highly doubt this was always the case.
EDIT: Historically, I don't recall them ever stating anything other than this is not intended.
There was no explicit statement, but years of silence on the matter speaks volumes.
Other's people game experience is all.......not much right? Don't be selfish, play be the rules.DaveMoeDee wrote: »Wow, this is not even close to permaban bad. It may be an exploit, but what does it really impact? Not much.
I agree however the initial infraction, as other's have stated can be argued with a "i didn't know" argument, a warning seems fair enough.
2nd infraction, well, still not necessarily "hacking" the game, but you clearly knew it was an exploitable bug and deliberately chose and pre-meditated it's use. One would no longer be able to use the "i didn't know card", temp-ban seems fair enough. Hopefully, said person learns their lesson that there is consequences and is smart enough to not continue it's use deliberately.
3rd infraction, well, game over. You've been warned, reprimanded and it's time to pay the piper as they say. Serial exploiters are a plague to online games.
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Edited by Cuyler on June 9, 2016 7:57PMGuild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭Perma ban some zeni programmers better they knew about that since PTS ....right? They did nothing to fix it like always and then we blame the "exploiters" Blame zeni not the gamers
The fault lies with both, not one or the other. You did sign the TOS and COC didn't you?Guild: STACK n BURN (gm) PC - NA
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✭Molag_Crow wrote: »Why should players get permabanned for in-game faulty mechanics? they can get up a wall by using class abilities and not 3rd party programs, so.. they don't deserve any punishment.
Of course this should be addressed and fixed ASAP, but you know...
Because it's against the TOS that you agreed to. Because ZOS came into the forums and specifically stated it was against the rules. It doesn't matter if you reported it on the PTS. It doesn't matter if they left it in the game. You don't knowingly break the rules and not call it cheating. You cheat and you get banned. Pure and simple.
@ZOS_GinaBruno It's time to ban the people who knowingly exploit. If you can't do this, then what you're telling us all, is that you don't care about the innate fairness of your game. ZOS created this mess. Now police it, fix it, or just tell us you don't care and that we can do what we want.
As the great man once said, "The buck stops here."
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See that's where I'm confused, IIRC they have stated so less than 3 times over the last year that this is not intended and they have been working on a fix. edit: if I get some time, I'll back that statement up with a source. at work atm.
@Recremen I can't sell you historic context. However, you could provide it here by citing any sort of official reference (ESO live, forum post, etc.) to where this was described to be an intended mechanic. It would put a little substance behind your argument.
You're serious? like really? can we get off the "Zeni put it there so I ccan use it". It's ridiculous. And quite frankly ruinous to the game. My suggestion, don't make yourself a part of the problem, be a part of a solution.The_Outsider wrote: »Wait really tho, question: Do you guys report people who get into towers for exploiting?
Didn't even occur to me that people might get reported for this.
For me that sounds pretty silly. 'Oh, I am going to report you because you used your ability as the game allows you too without using any special code or cheat...'
Zenimax is aware this is happening, they were made aware of it in the PTS, they didn't cared and released the game with the bug... Why should players avoid using this if the Devs them selves couldn't care less?
Infinite trap damage and infinite backlash damage were/are there too, should we all just accept it as intended as go craxy with the stuff? gtfoh
Except those abilities were actually functioning aberrantly due to a bug in the code, whereas leap is working exactly as intended with no bugs and people have retroactively decided it should not work in one specific circumstance.
Go back and re-read Jessica's statement again please. This is not intended. Wtb reading comprehension.
@Cuyler
WTB historic context. DK have done this for ages and we're only now hearing that it's "unintended". I highly doubt this was always the case.
EDIT: Historically, I don't recall them ever stating anything other than this is not intended.
There was no explicit statement, but years of silence on the matter speaks volumes.
I've seen nothing, so I'm not inclined to take your recollection to heart. Even if you can find evidence of them making a statement on it, there's no way it was made in a place where the community at large could have seen it. A single comment in a forgotten thread by a community manager isn't exactly an appropriate place to make an announcement about "exploiting". We also know that the information given by community managers, while appreciated, is not always reliable. When it comes to things like weapon dyes, I've heard them announce everything from "definitely" to "never" to "we're talking about it". Why should we expect these abilities, which I apparently must remind you are functioning completely normally and exactly as designed, are ever going to get patched?
Stop being a part of the problem and be a part of the solution. Advocate that these abilities be recognized as working as intended. Or advocate that the specific problems the abilities are causing be looked at. What exactly is the issue you have? That someone can pick up scrolls or flip flags without taking down the walls? Ask them to make it so that both of those actions can only occur when there is a wall breech. Simple. But if your issue is that people are able to attack you while you're standing on an oil ledge, then that's just ridiculous. Any attack that can fire off and hit you under the normal operating conditions of the skill should be fair game, DK leap included.Men'Do PC NA AD Khajiit
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Other's people game experience is all.......not much right? Don't be selfish, play be the rules.DaveMoeDee wrote: »Wow, this is not even close to permaban bad. It may be an exploit, but what does it really impact? Not much.
I agree however the initial infraction, as other's have stated can be argued with a "i didn't know" argument, a warning seems fair enough.
2nd infraction, well, still not necessarily "hacking" the game, but you clearly knew it was an exploitable bug and deliberately chose and pre-meditated it's use. One would no longer be able to use the "i didn't know card", temp-ban seems fair enough. Hopefully, said person learns their lesson that there is consequences and is smart enough to not continue it's use deliberately.
3rd infraction, well, game over. You've been warned, reprimanded and it's time to pay the piper as they say. Serial exploiters are a plague to online games.
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You are exaggerating the impact and how obvious it is that it is an exploit. I don't see why a DK should assume it is an exploit. And even if it is and it had a negative impact on your game play, you are talking about an occasional battle and you could just kill the enemy. The negative experience is mostly just your rage. Even if a person is doing it on purpose, it isn't a big deal and it isn't an obvious exploit like walking through walls that don't render.
It clearly isn't harmful to realism since casting when they cast seems realistic.1 -
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✭✭✭Molag_Crow wrote: »Why should players get permabanned for in-game faulty mechanics? they can get up a wall by using class abilities and not 3rd party programs, so.. they don't deserve any punishment.
Of course this should be addressed and fixed ASAP, but you know...
Because it's against the TOS that you agreed to. Because ZOS came into the forums and specifically stated it was against the rules. It doesn't matter if you reported it on the PTS. It doesn't matter if they left it in the game. You don't knowingly break the rules and not call it cheating. You cheat and you get banned. Pure and simple.
@ZOS_GinaBruno It's time to ban the people who knowingly exploit. If you can't do this, then what you're telling us all, is that you don't care about the innate fairness of your game. ZOS created this mess. Now police it, fix it, or just tell us you don't care and that we can do what we want.
As the great man once said, "The buck stops here."
There is nothing about this that makes it obvious that people should not do it. Intuitively, it feels like something people should try to do based on how skills work.
Your argument relies on it being clear that this "exploit" is an exploit. That isn't clear.1 -
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✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Why should players get permabanned for in-game faulty mechanics? they can get up a wall by using class abilities and not 3rd party programs, so.. they don't deserve any punishment.
Of course this should be addressed and fixed ASAP, but you know...
Because it's against the TOS that you agreed to. Because ZOS came into the forums and specifically stated it was against the rules. It doesn't matter if you reported it on the PTS. It doesn't matter if they left it in the game. You don't knowingly break the rules and not call it cheating. You cheat and you get banned. Pure and simple.
@ZOS_GinaBruno It's time to ban the people who knowingly exploit. If you can't do this, then what you're telling us all, is that you don't care about the innate fairness of your game. ZOS created this mess. Now police it, fix it, or just tell us you don't care and that we can do what we want.
As the great man once said, "The buck stops here."
There is nothing about this that makes it obvious that people should not do it. Intuitively, it feels like something people should try to do based on how skills work.
Your argument relies on it being clear that this "exploit" is an exploit. That isn't clear.
Other than ZOS saying that it's not allowed?0 -
Smolt✭✭✭I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.
Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...
Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.
Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter
Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.
*Edit just wanted to reiterate that leaping onto keep walls adds some flavor to otherwise boring siege battless. Wouldn't it be cool if we could use siege towers and ladders?Edited by Smolt on June 9, 2016 8:34PM2 -
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Anyway make note how Jessica said "bug" instead of "exploit"#MOREORBS3 -
Pomaikai✭✭✭✭✭
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That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.
Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...
Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.
Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter
Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.
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✭✭✭✭✭Yeah you have to look at it like this:
Its a bug that crit charge is activating within z axis.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways.
Its a bug that ambush allows you to travel through doors recently traveled by antother player.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways
Its a bug that allows people to walk through a wall to get into opposing players faction bases/bank in IC
People are exploiting that bug to kill people without being attacked and gaining illegitimate rewards.
The concept of bug != exploit is strange to me, because every one of these 'exploits' are people using bugs to do things they are not supposed to.
So yes crit charge currently is bugged and it allows you do things it normally should not, the choice to do those things is the exploit.Tl;dr really weigh the fun you have in game vs the business practices you are supporting.1 -
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That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.
Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...
Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.
Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter
Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.
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So what happens if I'm new to the game, don't use forums and I'm leaping on top of keeps, should I be banned?Yeah you have to look at it like this:
Its a bug that crit charge is activating within z axis.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways.
Its a bug that ambush allows you to travel through doors recently traveled by antother player.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways
Its a bug that allows people to walk through a wall to get into opposing players faction bases/bank in IC
People are exploiting that bug to kill people without being attacked and gaining illegitimate rewards.
The concept of bug != exploit is strange to me, because every one of these 'exploits' are people using bugs to do things they are not supposed to.
So yes crit charge currently is bugged and it allows you do things it normally should not, the choice to do those things is the exploit.#MOREORBS1 -
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That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.
Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...
Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.
Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter
Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.
"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln
Bull. You know it. I know it. That quote is genuine and readily searchable on this forum. There is no pin head to try and shove a ton of dancing angels on here. It's an exploit and you know it. Quit trying to justify your actions.1 -
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So what happens if I'm new to the game, don't use forums and I'm leaping on top of keeps, should I be banned?Yeah you have to look at it like this:
Its a bug that crit charge is activating within z axis.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways.
Its a bug that ambush allows you to travel through doors recently traveled by antother player.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways
Its a bug that allows people to walk through a wall to get into opposing players faction bases/bank in IC
People are exploiting that bug to kill people without being attacked and gaining illegitimate rewards.
The concept of bug != exploit is strange to me, because every one of these 'exploits' are people using bugs to do things they are not supposed to.
So yes crit charge currently is bugged and it allows you do things it normally should not, the choice to do those things is the exploit.
Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law. A short suspension along with a warning of a future permaban would be the correct procedure.0 -
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Of course people are going to try and justify it because really it's a grey area.
That statement has been quoted in this thread. It's not very long, yet...I think it's intended. And it's a fun feature for small scale pvp! I really hope they don't remove it, and make pvp even more lame.
Somebody call a waaaaaambulance...
Lol. You really gonna play that card smolt? You gonna claim ignorance after Zos has stated its not intended? You've been playing this game long enough to know what's a bug and what's not. Your not new or a noob. Any shred of credibility is shot. Go back the sewers and gank lowbies cause that's all you do anyways.
Lol do I know you? And I've never discriminated against max level players, equal opportunity ganker here and I barely touch the sewers anymore... besides the daedra need protection. #daedriclivesmatter
Not sure what your petty personal attacks have do with leaping onto keep walls though. I've never seen any official statement by some declaring it to be an exploit, just forum warriors crying about it. I've never heard of anyone getting warned, banned, or suspended for it either and it's been there since the beginning.
"The trouble with internet quotes is that it's very difficult to verify their authenticity". -Abraham Lincoln
Bull. You know it. I know it. That quote is genuine and readily searchable on this forum. There is no pin head to try and shove a ton of dancing angels on here. It's an exploit and you know it. Quit trying to justify your actions.
Personally, I see this as a bug and people are going to use it with intent and some without even knowing about it, and others will do it by accident, but I wouldn't expect them to hand out bans or temp bans from it, I would expect them to hand out warnings, and if you get 3 warnings from this type of thing, you know you are doing wrong at that point and playing with malicious intent and then you get handed a temp ban.#MOREORBS2 -
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Of course ignorance is an excuse, this is a game, real life rules do not apply here to some extent, stop warping your mind that this game reflects to real life scenarios and rules.
So what happens if I'm new to the game, don't use forums and I'm leaping on top of keeps, should I be banned?Yeah you have to look at it like this:
Its a bug that crit charge is activating within z axis.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways.
Its a bug that ambush allows you to travel through doors recently traveled by antother player.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways
Its a bug that allows people to walk through a wall to get into opposing players faction bases/bank in IC
People are exploiting that bug to kill people without being attacked and gaining illegitimate rewards.
The concept of bug != exploit is strange to me, because every one of these 'exploits' are people using bugs to do things they are not supposed to.
So yes crit charge currently is bugged and it allows you do things it normally should not, the choice to do those things is the exploit.
Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law. A short suspension along with a warning of a future permaban would be the correct procedure.
If a new player, or any player for that matter is playing and accidentally uses an in game bug, there is absolutely no way you can justify those actions to receive a suspension. It makes the company look bad for punishing people for their incapability of providing a polished service. A game will always have bugs in it.
The correct procedure would be to give warnings, you get 3 you get banned.
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✭✭✭✭✭Roehamad_Ali wrote: »50 shades of grey area forum PvP .grey areas. Contribute to our Open Dictionary. a situation in which the rules are not clear, or in which you are not sure what is right or wrong. that grey area between legitimate protest and illegal disruption.#MOREORBS0 -
Pomaikai✭✭✭✭✭
✭When you have video of an entire group misusing the skill, then you already know that they're exploiting on purpose and deserve the ban hammer. If someone makes a YouTube video showing themselves doing it, and especially a how-to video, then break out that hammer. A modicum of common sense, please.1 -
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No don't change this to a specific group, that is a different scenario and I agree with you. But we are talking about as a whole here, in which case that does not apply in my opinionWhen you have video of an entire group misusing the skill, then you already know that they're exploiting on purpose and deserve the ban hammer. If someone makes a YouTube video showing themselves doing it, and especially a how-to video, then break out that hammer. A modicum of common sense, please.#MOREORBS0 -
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✭✭✭✭✭Roehamad_Ali wrote: »50 shades of grey area forum PvP .grey areas. Contribute to our Open Dictionary. a situation in which the rules are not clear, or in which you are not sure what is right or wrong. that grey area between legitimate protest and illegal disruption.
I know what grey areas are . It's pointless to argue them on the forums . People are reporting anything and everything they see now . Grey area is an argument for those appealing allegations with ZOS . Here it's just a mindless circle of opinion .0 -
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So what happens if I'm new to the game, don't use forums and I'm leaping on top of keeps, should I be banned?Yeah you have to look at it like this:
Its a bug that crit charge is activating within z axis.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways.
Its a bug that ambush allows you to travel through doors recently traveled by antother player.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways
Its a bug that allows people to walk through a wall to get into opposing players faction bases/bank in IC
People are exploiting that bug to kill people without being attacked and gaining illegitimate rewards.
The concept of bug != exploit is strange to me, because every one of these 'exploits' are people using bugs to do things they are not supposed to.
So yes crit charge currently is bugged and it allows you do things it normally should not, the choice to do those things is the exploit.
Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law. A short suspension along with a warning of a future permaban would be the correct procedure.
The constant comparison between this matter and real life crimes makes the whole lot of you seem totally idiotic.5 -
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Of course ignorance is an excuse, this is a game, real life rules do not apply here to some extent, stop warping your mind that this game reflects to real life scenarios and rules.
So what happens if I'm new to the game, don't use forums and I'm leaping on top of keeps, should I be banned?Yeah you have to look at it like this:
Its a bug that crit charge is activating within z axis.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways.
Its a bug that ambush allows you to travel through doors recently traveled by antother player.
People are exploiting that bug to get into keeps and towers beyond intended ways
Its a bug that allows people to walk through a wall to get into opposing players faction bases/bank in IC
People are exploiting that bug to kill people without being attacked and gaining illegitimate rewards.
The concept of bug != exploit is strange to me, because every one of these 'exploits' are people using bugs to do things they are not supposed to.
So yes crit charge currently is bugged and it allows you do things it normally should not, the choice to do those things is the exploit.
Ignorance is no excuse in the eyes of the law. A short suspension along with a warning of a future permaban would be the correct procedure.
If a new player, or any player for that matter is playing and accidentally uses an in game bug, there is absolutely no way you can justify those actions to receive a suspension. It makes the company look bad for punishing people for their incapability of providing a polished service. A game will always have bugs in it.
The correct procedure would be to give warnings, you get 3 you get banned.
I really would like to see you running an MMO
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No don't change this to a specific group, that is a different scenario and I agree with you. But we are talking about as a whole here, in which case that does not apply in my opinionWhen you have video of an entire group misusing the skill, then you already know that they're exploiting on purpose and deserve the ban hammer. If someone makes a YouTube video showing themselves doing it, and especially a how-to video, then break out that hammer. A modicum of common sense, please.
Announce it via the loader. Right there on top. The first thing you read when you start the game. Have a pop-up whenever you start the game. ZOS can most certainly inform their entire player base. They have all of our emails, and send us mail quite frequently. An email talking about bugs, exploits, hacking, and cheating in the game, and what isn't kosher would be an excellent method. Every new player automatically gets this with their first welcome mail. Update it regularly with new bugs and exploits to say it's not working as intended, don't do it, and as soon as you get caught doing it, you'll be banned.
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KramUzibra✭✭✭✭magnusthorek wrote: »Bugs are there to be exploited... BY TESTERS! If you found a bug and are intentionally exploiting it in the Live server you MUST be punished.
ZOS can't simply just pat your back saying that's wrong and you falsely promise you won't do it again.
If you exploited a known (or even an unknown) bug to your benefit YOU... ARE... A CHEATER!
No excuses, nothing more, nothing less, I done with my arguments, Your Honor
Cool! players doing fungal grotto vet dungeon that jump off the waterfall in order to bypass mobs and complete the dungeon faster should also get perma ban! Oh let's not forget those players animation cancelling.5 -
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That's fine Chaos, I don't mind losing my forum acct if it means another exploiter is brought out from the toxic underbelly of the game. I don't need to continue either and you've sufficiently made everyone aware of your intentions here.Reporting @Cuyler for being mean and making personal attacks.
Many people as well as myself have been leaping into keeps since the beginning of the game, nothings changed, and never will. See you on the inside of your keep tonight sweet cheeks!
P.S
Is it really exploiting if ZOS intentionally put it in the game after knowing full well that it worked this way?
j/k your opinion doesn't matter, it was a rhetorical question.
P.S. grow up
@Cuyler
If I host an Alcoholics Anonymous meeting, and provide a 60oz of Whiskey for all my members to drink, is it the fault of the AA members for drinking it? Or mine for bringing that whiskey?
If ZOS hosts a game and provides faulty mechanics that originally worked, is it the fault of players for using the new mechanics that ZOS deemed fit, even though they could've kept the old ones in place
Not only that but zos encourages creative gameplay like animation cancelling. Not an intended mechanic yet is now accepted as apart of the game. Some of these players calling this cheating are probably the players that get recked when the dk or nb leaps into the keep. From my experience those are the ones that name call and cry cheaters, or nerf this nerf that.3 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭DaveMoeDee wrote: »Molag_Crow wrote: »Why should players get permabanned for in-game faulty mechanics? they can get up a wall by using class abilities and not 3rd party programs, so.. they don't deserve any punishment.
Of course this should be addressed and fixed ASAP, but you know...
Because it's against the TOS that you agreed to. Because ZOS came into the forums and specifically stated it was against the rules. It doesn't matter if you reported it on the PTS. It doesn't matter if they left it in the game. You don't knowingly break the rules and not call it cheating. You cheat and you get banned. Pure and simple.
@ZOS_GinaBruno It's time to ban the people who knowingly exploit. If you can't do this, then what you're telling us all, is that you don't care about the innate fairness of your game. ZOS created this mess. Now police it, fix it, or just tell us you don't care and that we can do what we want.
As the great man once said, "The buck stops here."
There is nothing about this that makes it obvious that people should not do it. Intuitively, it feels like something people should try to do based on how skills work.
Your argument relies on it being clear that this "exploit" is an exploit. That isn't clear.
Other than ZOS saying that it's not allowed?
ZOS said that getting into towers using chains is not allowed? How did they notify players of that?1 -
DaveMoeDee✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭✭When you have video of an entire group misusing the skill, then you already know that they're exploiting on purpose and deserve the ban hammer. If someone makes a YouTube video showing themselves doing it, and especially a how-to video, then break out that hammer. A modicum of common sense, please.
They aren't "misusing" the skill. They are using it.
This isn't a question of common sense. It is a question of subjective interpretation.3 -
NativeJoe✭✭✭✭✭Eh I say fight back lol... Templars use your healing ult when you see that leap incoming and Send those exploiters to the Moon! rofl650cp+ Sorcerer 100+ days /played
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