[Permabans being lifted] ZOS how are we as a community dealing with exploits/hacking?

Emissary_Vex

They are only banning the people who used very obvious hacks, there are still hundreds possibly thousands of players using the same hacking software on a less obvious level.

They have no system in place to actually prevent hacking at all.

ИВАН_ВОДКА

hey! i need the video where templar guy showing us this cheater who bombard him with meteors
i forgot the link

mby you remember, or any keywords of th title of the video?

Clerics1985

OGLezard wrote: »

Clerics1985 wrote: »

"Nope. Both are cheating, against the rules and bannable offenses. The fact that you all agreed to cheat makes no difference whatsoever. When you break the rules of a game just like the laws of the land, you don't get to choose when it's ok and when it isn't."



Just want to point out that "The law of the land" in the US anyway DOES get to choose when it's okay to break the Law, Colorado/washington recreational smoke laws anyone??

Define this, because the people voted to make it recreational, yet the federal law trumps state law which is completely wrong.

So if the majority of the ppl come on here and Vote to make banning completely Legal that is the way we should Go correct? Federal law IS the law of the land. State law is Ppls opinions Trumping Governing order. how do you not see this? I smoke so I'm by no means Safe, I'm just Stating a simple fact

kevlarto_ESO

I hope we get another number after the investigations, 43 is a good start, if you have to cheat to play a video game, maybe video games are not for you.

I pay to play this game, and I don't care what others do unless they do something they affects my game play, and in this case they have, I am glad ZOS did show us they ban people for cheating and take it serious.

I wonder how many other games the cheat engine is ruining, why people make such programs is beyond me, I hope they could have some legal action brought on them, shut them down.

ИВАН_ВОДКА

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I wonder how many other games the cheat engine is ruining, why people make such programs is beyond me, I hope they could have some legal action brought on them, shut them down.

its actually fun
reverse engeeniring etc

and yes, its not possible to shut them down in any ways

Tower_Of_Shame

Jhunn wrote: »

Mirelurk wrote: »

Nope.

But at least I'm not someone who has been banned for cheating and jumping on forums with fairytales trying to get sympathy.

Sit down. ZOS' banning system is worthless and innocent players are getting banned.

@Tower_Of_Shame You suck btw

@Jhunn i luv u too

Fischblut

I'm so lucky to have most of my recaps saved... I'm viewing them now and I've found a yesterday's ultimate spam proof on me which will hopefully get one of my worst PvP enemies banned

ИВАН_ВОДКА

Fischblut wrote: »

I'm so lucky to have most of my recaps saved... I'm viewing them now and I've found a yesterday's ultimate spam proof on me which will hopefully get one of my worst PvP enemies banned

@Fischblut hey plz link your youtube channel with those videos

MLRPZ

There we go "this one killed me too many times, He must be cheating, Report and ban"

SwaminoNowlino

Mirelurk wrote: »

Nope.

But at least I'm not someone who has been banned for cheating and jumping on forums with fairytales trying to get sympathy.

Ridiculous. Everyone on the internet is obsessed with out outraging the person beside them.

If you use the shooting star morph of meteor on a zerg without being emperor, you get 75% of your ultimate back immediately. Add in the regen for Emp, the tava's favor set, bloodspawn, etc you can get ultimate's crazy fast.

Not as fast as the people who were demonstrating the cheats, who just pounded single players with ulti after ulti.

And its no surprise that once word of the cheating got out, salty folks would start reporting anyone just because they could. If you can't prove he cheated, then get out of here with your accusations. ZOS will look at his appeal and decide if they have sufficient evidence to back up the report.

This is the problem with fixing this solely through bans. People will just scream and yell and be outraged. Then some internet loser who's not able to comprehend nuance just wants to yell louder than the last person and the cycle continues.

Bans are a band aid. They make the outrage machine feel good. But the real solution is fixing the client. Period.

Phelaen

i am doubtful that their anti cheat software will pick up on the people that have just a bit extra of everything instead of spamming ulti's like morons
and those are more harmful in the long run imho

Elder_Night

This is the way online gaming ends, not with a bang, but a barrage of meteors. Well yea, a bang.

Pomaikai

Tavore1138 wrote: »

This is a step in the right direction although it is important to realise that the endless ulti spam was not the only format this took so I hope these cheat detection have some way of server side checking and ESO client code checking so anyone actually hacking the game can be spotted.

Equally, anticipating those saying they were unfairly banned, it should not be something blunt like scanning the client PC for the existence of a cheat tool - you might capture those who hack their offline games which hurts no-one but them.

At this stage, as I am sure ZOS are realising, it is vital to get this right and not err in either direction so that confidence and trust can be regained.

I look forward to the announcement later which I shall hopefully read while exploring Anvil and Kvatch...

Here's the problem. The hack program that lets you cheat in ESO also supports cheating in other games. If you use it to cheat elsewhere, ZOS has to believe that you're going to use it to cheat in their game too. Don't use cheat programs if you want to play ESO. Heck, just don't use cheat programs AT ALL! I don't know what else to say, other than tough luck.

PS... This same cheat program can also be used as a crafting mat farming bot, as well as a grinding CP farming bot. Yes, it can be programmed to automatically grind delves for you! So even if some people weren't using it to cheat in PVP directly, they were still cheating in the game overall, and TOTALLY deserve to be permabanned.

Robbmrp

I don't get why people have to cheat to win. What do they gain from it really? Satisfaction? How can someone get satisfaction from a skill less win? Deep down they know that they just can't hack it against a good player on a 1v1 so they must cheat to win. I pity those people who cannot play without hacks. The game isn't that hard to learn. Are they just being lazy and taking the easy road? Sounds like a very boring life to me.....

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

This is a step in the right direction although it is important to realise that the endless ulti spam was not the only format this took so I hope these cheat detection have some way of server side checking and ESO client code checking so anyone actually hacking the game can be spotted.

Equally, anticipating those saying they were unfairly banned, it should not be something blunt like scanning the client PC for the existence of a cheat tool - you might capture those who hack their offline games which hurts no-one but them.

At this stage, as I am sure ZOS are realising, it is vital to get this right and not err in either direction so that confidence and trust can be regained.

I look forward to the announcement later which I shall hopefully read while exploring Anvil and Kvatch...

Here's the problem. The hack program that lets you cheat in ESO also supports cheating in other games. If you use it to cheat elsewhere, ZOS has to believe that you're going to use it to cheat in their game too. Don't use cheat programs if you want to play ESO. Heck, just don't use cheat programs AT ALL! I don't know what else to say, other than tough luck.

That is a good point. Also if anyone has ever lied we have to believe that they would lie about cheating. So tell why do you a cheat?

Elder_Night

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

This is a step in the right direction although it is important to realise that the endless ulti spam was not the only format this took so I hope these cheat detection have some way of server side checking and ESO client code checking so anyone actually hacking the game can be spotted.

Equally, anticipating those saying they were unfairly banned, it should not be something blunt like scanning the client PC for the existence of a cheat tool - you might capture those who hack their offline games which hurts no-one but them.

At this stage, as I am sure ZOS are realising, it is vital to get this right and not err in either direction so that confidence and trust can be regained.

I look forward to the announcement later which I shall hopefully read while exploring Anvil and Kvatch...

Here's the problem. The hack program that lets you cheat in ESO also supports cheating in other games. If you use it to cheat elsewhere, ZOS has to believe that you're going to use it to cheat in their game too. Don't use cheat programs if you want to play ESO. Heck, just don't use cheat programs AT ALL! I don't know what else to say, other than tough luck.

PS... This same cheat program can also be used as a crafting mat farming bot, as well as a grinding CP farming bot. Yes, it can be programmed to automatically grind delves for you! So even if some people weren't using it to cheat in PVP directly, they were still cheating in the game overall, and TOTALLY deserve to be permabanned.

I've seen a botter in crag farming nirn. It was absolutely a bot and I had many people come to see and report it. I knew several weeks later it still wasn't banned cus I added it as a friend and it accepted lmao. Not sure about now cus I haven't been playing much.

Pomaikai

laksikus wrote: »

I was very active in Azura when @Tower_Of_Shame was emp (EP emp)
he wasnt the best emp, but ok. and i didnt see him (or anyone else for that matter) ever using ulti regen cheat in Azura EU.


I wasnt running with the DC zerg most of the time, but i attended most emp keep battles for at least some time, to gank the doors.

Even if i shouldnt have seen it, there are always people spaming zone with stuff, and i never saw someone call out a ulti spammer.

That's because the multi-spamming was really only the latest blatant stuff people were doing. The pervasive stuff was raising stats by a percentage, removing the CP cap, boosting regen rates, etc. Subtle cheats that made people really really hard to beat. The latest round of blatant hacking just put a spotlight on the pervasiveness of the use of this app.



PS... While I quoted you, it wasn't to call out this particular person because I play on the NA server and don't know them from Adam. I quoted you for the bolded part of your comment.

Rohamad_Ali

Robbmrp wrote: »

I don't get why people have to cheat to win. What do they gain from it really? Satisfaction? How can someone get satisfaction from a skill less win? Deep down they know that they just can't hack it against a good player on a 1v1 so they must cheat to win. I pity those people who cannot play without hacks. The game isn't that hard to learn. Are they just being lazy and taking the easy road? Sounds like a very boring life to me.....

They had a choice . Some player like myself had a choice as well . I didn't bother figuring it out . I just kept playing and tried constantly to improve myself . After fighting a lot of people using this bull , I actually got pretty good at fighting , even at a disadvantage for being honest . Sure I got beat up a lot too . But now that the light is shining on these people , I feel great for never ever trying to mess around . I never needed a combat UI or any crutches ingame . I just got better at practice the old fashioned way .

With some of these people gone , other players are noticing they can win now . This is good for the game .

Falhael

Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »

lardvader wrote: »

Great news! The forums were more depressing than usual yesterday but this is a step in the right direction.

I'm truly happy to see some people get a perm ban for their actions - cheating in online games is something I have zero tolerance for....

Yes and stop defending "the one you know who didn't cheat". They tell you that but....

I wonder if you would be so happy if you would have been banned for no reason

I'm all for banning people who knowingly used the ult gain cheat engine thingy. However I'm pretty sure some of the people who got banned, got banned for no reason/crappy automatic bans/whatever.

I was part of the EP emp group in Azura EU on saturday. And I am 100% sure Daryn didn't use any cheat whatsoever. Anyone who has been emp before, knows that ultiregen as emp is insane. Moreover your damage is insane compared to non-emp damage.

Imagine using shooting star, getting a lot of killing blows with it -> get back ulti for hitting x people with shooting star, get x ultimate for x killing blows with pvp passive, have increased regen due to emp passives = ultimate almost instantly up again.

I clearly remember how surprised Daryn was when his ult was almost instantly back up again after using it.

On a side note I didn't even know about that hack on saturday and I guess the majority of people in our group didn't know about it either, otherwise somebody would have talked about it. We were busy killing DC/AD, no time for sitting on the forums.

@lardvader don't make any assumptions. Maybe you don't know any players affected by this unfair ban. But I have known and played with Daryn for a pretty long time now and I am more than 100% sure he didn't use any cheats. He is an honest player and as I explained before being emp will let you pop ultimates with little to no break in between. If ZOS really had the means to see whether a player had used a cheat engine or not, nobody would be complaining about unfair bans. But this is not the first time they show that they don't know their own game and what is possible under certain circumstances.

Syntse

@Lysette

Copied from another thread that got closed

Syntse wrote: »
To the people now arguing about whether anti-cheat detection programs or code is against the law or not. How do you think PunkBuster works, that is used in title as example Battlefield? Is there mass law suits against it? Yes once you install the game you are required to install PunkBuster and you agree to it. If this is not already in ESO ToS it is not hard to add it there and make you agree to it once again.

These kind of apps do not work - they hinder no one, who really wants to cheat - they are just an annoyance for legit users.

They do work. How much more hacking and cheating do you think there would be if they would not exist? Every 10 year old would be doing it. It will take away the most simpliest and easiest ways of doing it. Of course it will not completely remove the problem and I'm sure nothing ever will. We can see this from the big titles that really take these things seriously that people still do it how ever not in the numbers it would be if these measures were not in place.

Lysette

Syntse wrote: »

@Lysette

Copied from another thread that got closed

Syntse wrote: »
To the people now arguing about whether anti-cheat detection programs or code is against the law or not. How do you think PunkBuster works, that is used in title as example Battlefield? Is there mass law suits against it? Yes once you install the game you are required to install PunkBuster and you agree to it. If this is not already in ESO ToS it is not hard to add it there and make you agree to it once again.

These kind of apps do not work - they hinder no one, who really wants to cheat - they are just an annoyance for legit users.

They do work. How much more hacking and cheating do you think there would be if they would not exist? Every 10 year old would be doing it. It will take away the most simpliest and easiest ways of doing it. Of course it will not completely remove the problem and I'm sure nothing ever will. We can see this from the big titles that really take these things seriously that people still do it how ever not in the numbers it would be if these measures were not in place.

Too many will still be able to - I exprienced that in Archeage, where Trion used a variety of "hack shields" - that stuff does not work - who wants to cheat and is not totally lazy will find a way around it - and they do not even need knowledge for that, just google and to be not too lazy to do a google search.

Pomaikai

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I hope we get another number after the investigations, 43 is a good start, if you have to cheat to play a video game, maybe video games are not for you.

I pay to play this game, and I don't care what others do unless they do something they affects my game play, and in this case they have, I am glad ZOS did show us they ban people for cheating and take it serious.

I wonder how many other games the cheat engine is ruining, why people make such programs is beyond me, I hope they could have some legal action brought on them, shut them down.

From one app's website (name redacted by me):

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I put a very important sentence in BOLD so that you would see that this is but one of many cheating programs affecting the games you most probably play, or have played. And yes, if you go to their forums you'll see that ESO is actively supported right now. This stuff is pervasive.

Lysette

Pomaikai wrote: »

kevlarto_ESO wrote: »

I hope we get another number after the investigations, 43 is a good start, if you have to cheat to play a video game, maybe video games are not for you.

I pay to play this game, and I don't care what others do unless they do something they affects my game play, and in this case they have, I am glad ZOS did show us they ban people for cheating and take it serious.

I wonder how many other games the cheat engine is ruining, why people make such programs is beyond me, I hope they could have some legal action brought on them, shut them down.

From one app's website (name redacted by me):

What is *****Bot you ask? Well, it is the BEST automated bot for Final Fantasy XIV: ARR Bot, FFXIV Bots, Neverwinter Online, NWO Bots, Guild Wars 2 Bot, GW2 Bots, Aion Online, Runes of Magic, Warhammer Online, Star Wars the Old Republic, Lord of the Rings, and More ever! If you are tired of sitting in front of the game screen, grinding out level after level and not being able to get out and do something else because all of your friends will have left you behind in levels. Then you NEED the MMO***** Software! All you have to do is set it up and it will grind away level after level all by itself, leaving you time to sleep, play another character, go to the movies, or just relax. MMO***** NEVER has to eat, sleep, drink, or go to the bathroom!! So how does it work? With MMO***** you can record keyboard and mouse clicks and interactions and then have them played back. The ***** software is very intuitive, and can calculate automatically your location in the game world. So if you record a path from one location to another. When you play back this recording, the MMO***** software will follow exactly the steps you took and repeat exactly what you recorded.

MMO***** not only gives you an amazing peice of software that works with multiple games but with almost every game we support you get full access to our premium member forums. This is not an extra price its included in your MMO***** subscription.

Also unlike other sites that you have to pay 30 bucks here and 30 bucks there for different features MMO***** is an all in one solution. You make one fee and you get access to everything we have. That includes all future updates, forums, and user submitted contributions that are added to the site. No more waisting money on one product only to waste more on another a few weeks down the road.

I put a very important sentence in BOLD so that you would see that this is but one of many cheating programs affecting the games you most probably play, or have played. And yes, if you go to their forums you'll see that ESO is actively supported right now. This stuff is pervasive.

That is why game companies need GMs, who monitor player behavior and find possible threats via patter-matching algorithm and then investigate it "by hand" and ban those, who are cheating - either immediate perma-ban or in those cases, where this is not clear with a temp ban - and if this pattern reemerges with this player, a perma-ban.

GM power is required here - and actual work "by hand" in a way as well - it is vital for game health and to keep the community healthy as well. If this is ignored or not payed attention to, the game will suffer and indirectly then as well the revenue got from running the game.

Tavore1138

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

This is a step in the right direction although it is important to realise that the endless ulti spam was not the only format this took so I hope these cheat detection have some way of server side checking and ESO client code checking so anyone actually hacking the game can be spotted.

Equally, anticipating those saying they were unfairly banned, it should not be something blunt like scanning the client PC for the existence of a cheat tool - you might capture those who hack their offline games which hurts no-one but them.

At this stage, as I am sure ZOS are realising, it is vital to get this right and not err in either direction so that confidence and trust can be regained.

I look forward to the announcement later which I shall hopefully read while exploring Anvil and Kvatch...

Here's the problem. The hack program that lets you cheat in ESO also supports cheating in other games. If you use it to cheat elsewhere, ZOS has to believe that you're going to use it to cheat in their game too. Don't use cheat programs if you want to play ESO. Heck, just don't use cheat programs AT ALL! I don't know what else to say, other than tough luck.

PS... This same cheat program can also be used as a crafting mat farming bot, as well as a grinding CP farming bot. Yes, it can be programmed to automatically grind delves for you! So even if some people weren't using it to cheat in PVP directly, they were still cheating in the game overall, and TOTALLY deserve to be permabanned.

Hmm, banning a bunch of probably honest players who happen to be messing with modding some other offline game is a good way to make this omni-shambles worse than it already is IMO. Now checking for *that* process running in parallel to ESO is another thing altogether that might make sense, assuming it is just the one possible one and not loads of variants... or actually checking ESO files for modifications before allowing client connectivity.

They should be focusing on either removing certain processing from the client end so it simply cannot be hacked or coming up with a slightly better method than what currently seems to be simply seeing who cast a couple of ultis too close together for the average... both because of the possible false positives and also because, as we know, the hacks were not just the ultimate ones, that was just the most visible of them... how will they capture speed hackers or levitators or people who have tweaks their stats in some way if all they do is scan for overuse of ultimates?

I fully agree on the need for bans - but this is a chance for ZOS to do it right and show us they are looking after the game and it's players properly.

Ashtaris

Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »

The cool thing is it is not a fairytale.

If that's truly the case then go through the appeals process and see what happens. If you are indeed innocent as you claim you are then we will see you back and some people will owe you an apology. If not, then adios!

Pomaikai

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

This is a step in the right direction although it is important to realise that the endless ulti spam was not the only format this took so I hope these cheat detection have some way of server side checking and ESO client code checking so anyone actually hacking the game can be spotted.

Equally, anticipating those saying they were unfairly banned, it should not be something blunt like scanning the client PC for the existence of a cheat tool - you might capture those who hack their offline games which hurts no-one but them.

At this stage, as I am sure ZOS are realising, it is vital to get this right and not err in either direction so that confidence and trust can be regained.

I look forward to the announcement later which I shall hopefully read while exploring Anvil and Kvatch...

Here's the problem. The hack program that lets you cheat in ESO also supports cheating in other games. If you use it to cheat elsewhere, ZOS has to believe that you're going to use it to cheat in their game too. Don't use cheat programs if you want to play ESO. Heck, just don't use cheat programs AT ALL! I don't know what else to say, other than tough luck.

PS... This same cheat program can also be used as a crafting mat farming bot, as well as a grinding CP farming bot. Yes, it can be programmed to automatically grind delves for you! So even if some people weren't using it to cheat in PVP directly, they were still cheating in the game overall, and TOTALLY deserve to be permabanned.

Hmm, banning a bunch of probably honest players who happen to be messing with modding some other offline game is a good way to make this omni-shambles worse than it already is IMO. Now checking for *that* process running in parallel to ESO is another thing altogether that might make sense, assuming it is just the one possible one and not loads of variants... or actually checking ESO files for modifications before allowing client connectivity.

They should be focusing on either removing certain processing from the client end so it simply cannot be hacked or coming up with a slightly better method than what currently seems to be simply seeing who cast a couple of ultis too close together for the average... both because of the possible false positives and also because, as we know, the hacks were not just the ultimate ones, that was just the most visible of them... how will they capture speed hackers or levitators or people who have tweaks their stats in some way if all they do is scan for overuse of ultimates?

I fully agree on the need for bans - but this is a chance for ZOS to do it right and show us they are looking after the game and it's players properly.

If you're cheating in another game, then you're not an honest player.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

This is a step in the right direction although it is important to realise that the endless ulti spam was not the only format this took so I hope these cheat detection have some way of server side checking and ESO client code checking so anyone actually hacking the game can be spotted.

Equally, anticipating those saying they were unfairly banned, it should not be something blunt like scanning the client PC for the existence of a cheat tool - you might capture those who hack their offline games which hurts no-one but them.

At this stage, as I am sure ZOS are realising, it is vital to get this right and not err in either direction so that confidence and trust can be regained.

I look forward to the announcement later which I shall hopefully read while exploring Anvil and Kvatch...

Here's the problem. The hack program that lets you cheat in ESO also supports cheating in other games. If you use it to cheat elsewhere, ZOS has to believe that you're going to use it to cheat in their game too. Don't use cheat programs if you want to play ESO. Heck, just don't use cheat programs AT ALL! I don't know what else to say, other than tough luck.

PS... This same cheat program can also be used as a crafting mat farming bot, as well as a grinding CP farming bot. Yes, it can be programmed to automatically grind delves for you! So even if some people weren't using it to cheat in PVP directly, they were still cheating in the game overall, and TOTALLY deserve to be permabanned.

Hmm, banning a bunch of probably honest players who happen to be messing with modding some other offline game is a good way to make this omni-shambles worse than it already is IMO. Now checking for *that* process running in parallel to ESO is another thing altogether that might make sense, assuming it is just the one possible one and not loads of variants... or actually checking ESO files for modifications before allowing client connectivity.

They should be focusing on either removing certain processing from the client end so it simply cannot be hacked or coming up with a slightly better method than what currently seems to be simply seeing who cast a couple of ultis too close together for the average... both because of the possible false positives and also because, as we know, the hacks were not just the ultimate ones, that was just the most visible of them... how will they capture speed hackers or levitators or people who have tweaks their stats in some way if all they do is scan for overuse of ultimates?

I fully agree on the need for bans - but this is a chance for ZOS to do it right and show us they are looking after the game and it's players properly.

If you're cheating in another game, then you're not an honest player.

And? We should ban anyone who ever cheated at a game? Really? That is what you are going with here?

Publius_Scipio

Has the official response on this matter Jessica mentioned in a post here yesterday been released yet? Would it be posted in this thread?

Tavore1138

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

This is a step in the right direction although it is important to realise that the endless ulti spam was not the only format this took so I hope these cheat detection have some way of server side checking and ESO client code checking so anyone actually hacking the game can be spotted.

Equally, anticipating those saying they were unfairly banned, it should not be something blunt like scanning the client PC for the existence of a cheat tool - you might capture those who hack their offline games which hurts no-one but them.

At this stage, as I am sure ZOS are realising, it is vital to get this right and not err in either direction so that confidence and trust can be regained.

I look forward to the announcement later which I shall hopefully read while exploring Anvil and Kvatch...

Here's the problem. The hack program that lets you cheat in ESO also supports cheating in other games. If you use it to cheat elsewhere, ZOS has to believe that you're going to use it to cheat in their game too. Don't use cheat programs if you want to play ESO. Heck, just don't use cheat programs AT ALL! I don't know what else to say, other than tough luck.

PS... This same cheat program can also be used as a crafting mat farming bot, as well as a grinding CP farming bot. Yes, it can be programmed to automatically grind delves for you! So even if some people weren't using it to cheat in PVP directly, they were still cheating in the game overall, and TOTALLY deserve to be permabanned.

Hmm, banning a bunch of probably honest players who happen to be messing with modding some other offline game is a good way to make this omni-shambles worse than it already is IMO. Now checking for *that* process running in parallel to ESO is another thing altogether that might make sense, assuming it is just the one possible one and not loads of variants... or actually checking ESO files for modifications before allowing client connectivity.

They should be focusing on either removing certain processing from the client end so it simply cannot be hacked or coming up with a slightly better method than what currently seems to be simply seeing who cast a couple of ultis too close together for the average... both because of the possible false positives and also because, as we know, the hacks were not just the ultimate ones, that was just the most visible of them... how will they capture speed hackers or levitators or people who have tweaks their stats in some way if all they do is scan for overuse of ultimates?

I fully agree on the need for bans - but this is a chance for ZOS to do it right and show us they are looking after the game and it's players properly.

If you're cheating in another game, then you're not an honest player.

A life without nuance must be dull - by your standards someone using the freely available game maker supplied modding tools for games would be a cheat because they modified their game experience? How about someone using the well know tilde console access in most bethsoft games? The whole modding community... cheats to a man?

What people do in offline games doesn't matter to me one bit - the only people they risk cheating is themselves.

The issue with cheating in ESO (or any other competitive environment on or off-line) is that you spoil things for other people, you invalidate their effort and you unfairly take points or rewards that should have been given to others who actually earned them.

I get you seem to want to pick a fight over something we basically agree on (i.e. banning all people who have hacked this game) just not quite sure why?

Rohamad_Ali

vyndral13preub18_ESO wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

Pomaikai wrote: »

Tavore1138 wrote: »

This is a step in the right direction although it is important to realise that the endless ulti spam was not the only format this took so I hope these cheat detection have some way of server side checking and ESO client code checking so anyone actually hacking the game can be spotted.

Equally, anticipating those saying they were unfairly banned, it should not be something blunt like scanning the client PC for the existence of a cheat tool - you might capture those who hack their offline games which hurts no-one but them.

At this stage, as I am sure ZOS are realising, it is vital to get this right and not err in either direction so that confidence and trust can be regained.

I look forward to the announcement later which I shall hopefully read while exploring Anvil and Kvatch...

Here's the problem. The hack program that lets you cheat in ESO also supports cheating in other games. If you use it to cheat elsewhere, ZOS has to believe that you're going to use it to cheat in their game too. Don't use cheat programs if you want to play ESO. Heck, just don't use cheat programs AT ALL! I don't know what else to say, other than tough luck.

PS... This same cheat program can also be used as a crafting mat farming bot, as well as a grinding CP farming bot. Yes, it can be programmed to automatically grind delves for you! So even if some people weren't using it to cheat in PVP directly, they were still cheating in the game overall, and TOTALLY deserve to be permabanned.

Hmm, banning a bunch of probably honest players who happen to be messing with modding some other offline game is a good way to make this omni-shambles worse than it already is IMO. Now checking for *that* process running in parallel to ESO is another thing altogether that might make sense, assuming it is just the one possible one and not loads of variants... or actually checking ESO files for modifications before allowing client connectivity.

They should be focusing on either removing certain processing from the client end so it simply cannot be hacked or coming up with a slightly better method than what currently seems to be simply seeing who cast a couple of ultis too close together for the average... both because of the possible false positives and also because, as we know, the hacks were not just the ultimate ones, that was just the most visible of them... how will they capture speed hackers or levitators or people who have tweaks their stats in some way if all they do is scan for overuse of ultimates?

I fully agree on the need for bans - but this is a chance for ZOS to do it right and show us they are looking after the game and it's players properly.

If you're cheating in another game, then you're not an honest player.

And? We should ban anyone who ever cheated at a game? Really? That is what you are going with here?

Depends . Was it multiplayer ? PvP ? If so I'm all for installing cage doors on confession booths . Retroactive Justice , cross platform reform .