Vicious Death must Nerf please

Jehazi007

Vicious Death is exaggerating
Is that magic NB in pvp
all with the Vicious Death
even if I have it on my magic NB (with whatever I rerament)
I think it is abused as set
It is not possible to make a correct gamplay without this Vicious Death comes Proc (often even out of area)
spiritual mooring + deto + Vicious Death is ouffff

InvitationNotFound

*insert wat meme picture here*

Yes, it might be annoying if it hits you, but against ball groups a fine thing. anyway, it's a bandaid fix and well... the game should be fixed as whole, then you can remove it. unfortunately, this will never happen

Jehazi007

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*insert wat meme picture here*

Yes, it might be annoying if it hits you, but against ball groups a fine thing. anyway, it's a bandaid fix and well... the game should be fixed as whole, then you can remove it. unfortunately, this will never happen

it'll be nerve?

against the bus is an advantage
but when you encounter a bus 20 players and we all Vicious Death
which darkens on 5 players
is uncomprehending

DUTCH_REAPER

Shoosh that "nerf" talk immediately! Enough nerfs!

That set does exactly what it's meant to do.

Bandit1215

Jehazi007 wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*insert wat meme picture here*

Yes, it might be annoying if it hits you, but against ball groups a fine thing. anyway, it's a bandaid fix and well... the game should be fixed as whole, then you can remove it. unfortunately, this will never happen

it'll be nerve?

against the bus is an advantage
but when you encounter a bus 20 players and we all Vicious Death
which darkens on 5 players
is uncomprehending

I'm sorry but the way you type makes literally no sense at all. Please form actual sentences. I actually have almost no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Like, honestly, if someone can decifer this into a comprehensible paragraph please comment.

Jehazi007

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Jehazi007 wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*insert wat meme picture here*

Yes, it might be annoying if it hits you, but against ball groups a fine thing. anyway, it's a bandaid fix and well... the game should be fixed as whole, then you can remove it. unfortunately, this will never happen

it'll be nerve?

against the bus is an advantage
but when you encounter a bus 20 players and we all Vicious Death
which darkens on 5 players
is uncomprehending

I'm sorry but the way you type makes literally no sense at all. Please form actual sentences. I actually have almost no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Like, honestly, if someone can decifer this into a comprehensible paragraph please comment.

Sorry, I'm french
and my English is very bad

Sunburnt_Penguin

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Jehazi007 wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*insert wat meme picture here*

Yes, it might be annoying if it hits you, but against ball groups a fine thing. anyway, it's a bandaid fix and well... the game should be fixed as whole, then you can remove it. unfortunately, this will never happen

it'll be nerve?

against the bus is an advantage
but when you encounter a bus 20 players and we all Vicious Death
which darkens on 5 players
is uncomprehending

I'm sorry but the way you type makes literally no sense at all. Please form actual sentences. I actually have almost no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Like, honestly, if someone can decifer this into a comprehensible paragraph please comment.

This was my interpretation:

it'll be *nerfed*?

against the *Zerg* it is an advantage but when you encounter a *Zerg of* 20 players and we all *face?* Vicious Death which *procs* on 5 players *it doesn't make sense*

mertusta

Bandit1215 wrote: »

I'm sorry but the way you type makes literally no sense at all. Please form actual sentences. I actually have almost no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Like, honestly, if someone can decifer this into a comprehensible paragraph please comment.

He says, VD is useful when you use it against zergs but it sucks they use it against you. I guess.

Van_0S

Sunburnt_Penguin wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Jehazi007 wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*insert wat meme picture here*

Yes, it might be annoying if it hits you, but against ball groups a fine thing. anyway, it's a bandaid fix and well... the game should be fixed as whole, then you can remove it. unfortunately, this will never happen

it'll be nerve?

against the bus is an advantage
but when you encounter a bus 20 players and we all Vicious Death
which darkens on 5 players
is uncomprehending

I'm sorry but the way you type makes literally no sense at all. Please form actual sentences. I actually have almost no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Like, honestly, if someone can decifer this into a comprehensible paragraph please comment.

This was my interpretation:

it'll be *nerfed*?

against the *Zerg* it is an advantage but when you encounter a *Zerg of* 20 players and we all *face?* Vicious Death which *procs* on 5 players *it doesn't make sense*

Please, send a video proof to ZOS or @Wrobel !!

Wait...., just for get it the next upcoming patch poison is even worst than VD.
Balanced by wrobel.

Makkir

is that supposed to be a poem?

MaxwellC

My problem with VD isn't it's usage in a group because that's it's main use but let's say I'm by myself and someone runs near me while magblade boy wonder decides to do use his setup soul tether with prox det/sap essence I will most likely die thanks to that random player. No matter what wrobel says VD does kill you, there's a video showing it execute a player at 20% HP and I've experienced the flames of VD kill me even though I healed through it I ended up dying after a few more sap essence (made a video on my XBL profile regarding it too).

@Wrobel
Is convinced that VD isn't bugged even though there's evidence showing that the set is clearly bugged and needs to be worked on; it's not the death recap but when you can visually see it proc on you which results in you almost dying/dying then there's an issue.

Jehazi007

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

My problem with VD isn't it's usage in a group because that's it's main use but let's say I'm by myself and someone runs near me while magblade boy wonder decides to do use his setup soul tether with prox det/sap essence I will most likely die thanks to that random player. No matter what wrobel says VD does kill you, there's a video showing it execute a player at 20% HP and I've experienced the flames of VD kill me even though I healed through it I ended up dying after a few more sap essence (made a video on my XBL profile regarding it too).

@Wrobel
Is convinced that VD isn't bugged even though there's evidence showing that the set is clearly bugged and needs to be worked on; it's not the death recap but when you can visually see it proc on you which results in you almost dying/dying then there's an issue.

that's exactly what I said

Ankael07

magicka det. is getting its initial damage nerfed by 45% with next patch and as long as you dont stand body to body with your group mates vicious death will be a waste of set for the enemy nightblade

InvitationNotFound

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Wrobel
Is convinced that VD isn't bugged even though there's evidence showing that the set is clearly bugged and needs to be worked on; it's not the death recap but when you can visually see it proc on you which results in you almost dying/dying then there's an issue.

oh here we are again. please post your evidence video, because there isn't a single good one on the forums. You see it proc and in the UI. Players went through a lot of testing (did some testing myself) and weren't able to reproduce it. Prove your claims instead of crying about it all day long. and don't get me wrong here, i don't say it isn't bugged. There just hasn't been any evidence and all the time i saw it proc in a 1vs1 situation the other players was already dead when it proced. so who cares about an animation and ui bug when actually nothing is happening?

go ahead and make a good video (starting from the beginning incl. a good damage log) of it and prove that it is bugged. I mean easy to do right? you could have done that in the time you've complained in the forum about it.

Septimus_Magna

Remove AOE caps and you can have my legendary VD gear.

Lord-Otto

Bandaid fix... Yeah right, for ONE class only does VD actually fix stuff. It only works as a bomb with Proxy Det, and wonder oh wonder, which class is best at jumping into a crowd, unloading AoE burst and getting out alive? Coincidence we see so many magicka NBs these days?
Hurricane @Wrobel needs to get his hit together and stop trying to apply paper glue to broken vases. PvP needs a serious overwhaul, removing AoE caps, as mentioned, would be a good start.
And VD? It sucks playing with it, it sucks playing against it. Same with Shield Breaker. Just throw this rubbish out of the window, and throw Hurricane Wrobel right after it, if you're already on it.

AshTal

It was designed to stop zerg groups running around in large balls however its so over powered and does so much damage (and constantly procs early) that it needs a fix. They should make it exactly like prox det, damage increase based on number of people with really crap damage if its just two people stood together (I would say single person but they will declare this never happens).

heystreethawk

To practice life without death--
however Vicious--
is unspeakable. Either half of one moon
Or one moon in pair without other;
Incomplete. Unresolved.

Buses full of people
Just want to have a Holiday
and it is Vicious, this occasion --
Don't begrudge their celebration.

If it darkens,
Just go camping,
For the moon is either bright
(and full)
Or else there are two moons.

Sharee

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

My problem with VD isn't it's usage in a group because that's it's main use but let's say I'm by myself and someone runs near me while magblade boy wonder decides to do use his setup soul tether with prox det/sap essence I will most likely die thanks to that random player. No matter what wrobel says VD does kill you, there's a video showing it execute a player at 20% HP and I've experienced the flames of VD kill me even though I healed through it I ended up dying after a few more sap essence (made a video on my XBL profile regarding it too).

@Wrobel
Is convinced that VD isn't bugged even though there's evidence showing that the set is clearly bugged and needs to be worked on; it's not the death recap but when you can visually see it proc on you which results in you almost dying/dying then there's an issue.

*sigh*

No matter how many times it is explained, no matter the official statement, no matter the countless posts of (well-known) players who actually tested it and confirmed it is not bugged...

...there's always another one who keeps the hoax going.

No, there is no video showing it execute (there is a video showing a health desync). No, VD isn't bugged beyond the UI bug with death recap. Yes, you see the explosion on yourself when you are at 20% HP, or 50% hp, or 80% hp, because the proc happens at the exact same time the big hit that killed you landed. If you have 80% HP and get oneshot by a treb boulder, you will see the VD explosion on you while you have 80% HP, but no, it did not execute you at 80%, the boulder did.

Francescolg

Vicious Death is still good for selected targets in the zerg, for high burst or penetration spec's

Yusuf

people must grammar please

Serenityx

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

MaxwellCrystal wrote: »

@Wrobel
Is convinced that VD isn't bugged even though there's evidence showing that the set is clearly bugged and needs to be worked on; it's not the death recap but when you can visually see it proc on you which results in you almost dying/dying then there's an issue.

oh here we are again. please post your evidence video, because there isn't a single good one on the forums. You see it proc and in the UI. Players went through a lot of testing (did some testing myself) and weren't able to reproduce it. Prove your claims instead of crying about it all day long. and don't get me wrong here, i don't say it isn't bugged. There just hasn't been any evidence and all the time i saw it proc in a 1vs1 situation the other players was already dead when it proced. so who cares about an animation and ui bug when actually nothing is happening?

go ahead and make a good video (starting from the beginning incl. a good damage log) of it and prove that it is bugged. I mean easy to do right? you could have done that in the time you've complained in the forum about it.

I have yet to see anyone give a solid explanation with a video that concerns VD proving its not broken. Sure its not always going to proc and when you test it in a 1v1 situation with perfect conditions its going to work correctly. Health desyncs are no excuse for a set as obviously broken as VD, its just blaming the server for the brokenness of the vicious desth set. I have like 30+ vids of it proccing early, but no they are all "health desyncs" ***. The server cant handle the set when its under enough stress and it DOES proc as an execute in SOME situations.

Sharee

[nevermind]

Gargath

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Jehazi007 wrote: »

InvitationNotFound wrote: »

*insert wat meme picture here*

Yes, it might be annoying if it hits you, but against ball groups a fine thing. anyway, it's a bandaid fix and well... the game should be fixed as whole, then you can remove it. unfortunately, this will never happen

it'll be nerve?

against the bus is an advantage
but when you encounter a bus 20 players and we all Vicious Death
which darkens on 5 players
is uncomprehending

I'm sorry but the way you type makes literally no sense at all. Please form actual sentences. I actually have almost no idea what the hell you are trying to say. Like, honestly, if someone can decifer this into a comprehensible paragraph please comment.

Heh, I'm not a native English speaker but got it instantly, without the need of rude comments .
Regarding VD, I don't like it neither, but when I'm in group against group and see a ball group ahead usually I place some of my ranged ultimate on the ball. Usually they panic, sometimes rush on me . Either way it's just fun.

GrumpyDuckling

DUTCH_REAPER wrote: »

Shoosh that "nerf" talk immediately! Enough nerfs!

That set does exactly what it's meant to do.

Eh, the set really hurts Templars. We're all about areas of protection ("housing") and we get screwed when allies come into our house and blow up. Vicious Death makes Templars really weak.

GreenSoup2HoT

it's not Vicious Death that is the problem. It is what enable's Vicious Death to be so successful.. and that is Magicka Detonation. Once DB is released, Magicka Detonation scaling will be changed. This mean's Vicious Death will be less of an issue for small-scale scenario's.

I for one have recently taken a break from the game because of this. No sense playing when thing's are left over-tuned for so long. There's a reason everyone has Magicka NB Prox det montage's out as of late. It has spread that false sense of skill in cryodill. Everyone is just using Magicka Det as a farming tool for AP, Vicious Death only improve's this.

The best advice i could give, take a break from ESO like i have until the new DLC come's out. The new DLC is very promising and i think will be one of the more balanced patches we've seen in cryodill.. however i'm still iffy on the new poisons and potion's available. We will have to wait and see how they turn out befor i make any serious claims about the new DLC.

Best Regard's - Soup