Item Sets Available from Rewards for the Worthy Bags & AP Vendors

Inig0

The jewelry pieces that some of these sets have need to be available in purple or even gold quality via special boxes or leaderboard rewards.

Jaronking

helediron wrote: »

Can i buy these with gold? You know, like monster gear is...

I have to ask who really buy the monster sets with Gold?That seem like a waste of Gold you can use on more important things

helediron

Jaronking wrote: »

helediron wrote: »

Can i buy these with gold? You know, like monster gear is...

I have to ask who really buy the monster sets with Gold?That seem like a waste of Gold you can use on more important things

I really asked about the renewed sets, not about monster set.

Lava_Croft

Essiaga wrote: »

Also they should sell these sets for gold for the PVEers just like they do the Monster Helms, etc

Buy the sets from other players for gold.

Sugaroverdose

helediron wrote: »

Can i buy these with gold? You know, like monster gear is...

You can, this sets aren't BoP.

SirCritical

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Why blue? o.O

Why CP160? I can't understand this "160" number. Sure, I know, it was v16, multiply by 10, and then it is 160. But why isn't the maximum a round number? 150 or 200? Or maybe 42 (as this is THE answer ) Why 160?

Zheg

SirCritical wrote: »

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Why blue? o.O

Why CP160? I can't understand this "160" number. Sure, I know, it was v16, multiply by 10, and then it is 160. But why isn't the maximum a round number? 150 or 200? Or maybe 42 (as this is THE answer ) Why 160?

ZOS tried to raise the vet level cap every update (once upon a time). They grossly miscalculated how the players felt about vet levels, the frequency with which the cap was raised, and the impact these cap raises had on a players capacity to work towards an alt.

They tried to raise the cap in 2 level increments to make it more palatable while still ensuring gear needed to be refarmed/remade. That's why we have/had v16, and why it made more sense to them to convert the CP gear scaling baselines the way they did.

Since all NA has access to is templates, we will be relying on EU to open lots of bags and report back!

ZOS_MSchroeder

Hey folks! We'd like to take a moment to answer some questions.

Soris wrote: »

This is awesome, but i dont like the box system. Why dont you just sell each one of them seperately in elite vendors? So we can buy whatever we like.

There is a set limit to how many items a single vendor can sell. We wanted a design that would work regardless of the number of slots or Traits an item set would have, since we intend to increase the number of Traits these sets can have in the future; vendors currently can’t show enough items to even cover a single full item set in the full breadth of Trait options.

heystreethawk wrote: »

Thank you for the update! Will the traits on these be random? If so, will the jewelry be random traited too? Sorry if I missed that info in the post!

Cinbri wrote: »

Can we get clarification if all those upgrded sets, including sets from TG, will drop with all traits, including nirnhoned weapons?

We haven’t added new Traits to any of the sets impacted by this change. Many of the item sets – including the ones that had jewelry – only came in a single Trait, so they’ll only have that one Trait option for the Dark Brotherhood update as well.

code65536 wrote: »

Why only the Elite Gear vendor? There are multiple gear vendors--you have the heavy armor vendor, light armor vendor, etc. Currently, the Elite Gear vendor is just VR13/14 items while the other vendors are VR1-12. On the PTS, the other gear vendors don't have anything interesting listed for sale, so why not use their store space (assuming that store space is the reason why you are consolidating everything into boxes)?

Because this was a change we wanted to get in at the end of the PTS cycle – in response to significant and vociferous player feedback! – we wanted to keep the change as narrow as possible. That meant confining it to just the Elite Gear vendors. In the future, we’ll be looking at distributing the sets to vendors who are more closely tied in with the Cyrodiil Town Capture mechanic.

Ajaxduo wrote: »

Why blue? o.O

We wanted to make them match the other set item boxes on the Elite Gear vendors, which also drop items of Blue-quality most of the time. In the future, we may look at giving these boxes a chance to drop in Purple-quality items, like the various “Hew’s Bane” boxes do.

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Will the boxes contain set items ONLY (the ones you listed)? Or is there still that chance for non-set items?

These boxes contain only set items. You will never get a non-set item from them.

NBrookus wrote: »

These are still BoE, right? I'd strongly prefer to be able to buy the item I want, or at least the correct set, but if they are BoE they can be traded or sold.

The items you get out of these boxes are all Bind on Equip so that you can sell and trade them.

andypappb16_ESO wrote: »

Will we ever see a Necropotence Set at V16?

Nahz wrote: »

Are there any plans to increase the max level of the necropotence set, and maybe give it different trait options?

For the update after Dark Brotherhood, we’re evaluating well over a dozen non-PvP item sets for updating to Champion 160. And no, we’re not spilling the beans about which ones just yet. We are watching your feedback about which sets you’d like to see updated, though!

Ishammael wrote: »

Will these sets have full jewelry and weapon options?

KenaPKK wrote: »

What about jewelry? Pretty pretty please expand all of these sets to contain jewelry and weapon options. >.<

Because we wanted to react to your feedback as quickly as possible, we have not added any new items to these sets. Adding new items would have made it impossible to implement any item sourcing changes for the sets in time for the Dark Brotherhood update. If a set didn’t previously include jewelry, weapons, or armor, then it doesn’t have those currently. We’ll be looking at expanding the item slots these sets can come in sometime in the future.

DDuke wrote: »

One thing I'm curious about: are there going to be any changes to these item sets?

We’re evaluating their balance now, but we can’t comment on any potential rebalancing of these item sets at this time. Specific examples like the one you called out are helpful!

Hadan_of_Rift wrote: »

How about returning MASTER WEAPONS? Please - Thank You

Not for the Dark Brotherhood update. We hear you, though – stay tuned.

ThatNeonZebraAgain wrote: »

Will these sets contain their original equipment slots/configuration, or for sets like Juggernaut, will they maintain those from when they upgraded to V16 with the Imperial City update? I ask because a number of these sets had their loot table slot configurations changed in the IC update. For example, Juggernaut used to come with a shield but that stop dropping when it was upgraded to V16 with the IC update (there are other examples listed in the thread). Thanks!

They’ll use their more recent configurations. For instance, you will not find a Shield of the Juggernaut in the Heavy Defensive box.

kendellking_chaosb14_ESO wrote: »

Is the heavy Pact Armor Bastion of The Heartland comfirmed to be CP160?

Are you referring to the “Pact’s Cuirass”, part of the Bastion of the Heartland set? If so, yes that’s in there.

BigES wrote: »

You already have a system in place for gear boxes in Imperial City using Tel Var. There are two boxes. One gives purples and costs more. The other is cheaper and gives blue items. Why not use do the same for these gear boxes, only using AP?

We wanted to keep the number of new items small, to ensure we could do this in time for the Dark Brotherhood update. (Too many new things would make it more likely to miss that timeframe entirely.) However, the different quality boxes in Imperial City also have different rules: the Blue-quality boxes on the Tel Var Lockbox Merchants only scale up to Champion 150, while the Purple-quality boxes on the Tel Var Greater Lockbox Merchants scale to Champion 160.

Birdovic

So many answers...

Thanks for listening

MrTarkanian48

I have been hoping for these sets to be scaled for a long time, and am happy to see this change

however

If this goes live in the way that the OP describes it will be the worst RNG nightmare in this game.

One box with 8 sets worth of gear in each, at 20K a piece? You will never get a 5 piece set that you need in the desired traits.

Take for example the “Defensive Heavy Armor” box:

In the current set configurations this box contains 48 different pieces of gear (if they do not expand them to include weapons and jewelry). Assuming they are available in 4 traits (Divines, Infused, Impenetrable, Reinforced). Ignoring whether or not Jewelry will have locked traits, this means 48*4*20,000=3,840,000. Assuming the box never gave you duplicate items, which it inevitably will, it would cost you 3,840,000 AP to get every piece of gear in each trait. RNG will make this cost even more.

The RNG system in the Sewers Tel Var Merchants is terrible, but will be better than this. I have spent 100K Tel Var on Shieldbreaker, and did not get a single piece of impen gear. Also any piece that drops in Head + Shoulders is wasted if your build requires Monster Helms. And the Tel Var merchant has a unique box for EACH set. I can only imagine the frustration of 8 sets in the box....

Please consider the following:

1) Ideally, eliminate RNG. Let people buy the piece they need, even if the price is 200-300k AP.

2) If not #1, make a box for each set individually for each set. The RNG will still be extremely frustrating, but not as bad.

3) Allow jewelry to be obtained in Epic/Legendary

4) Expand the sets to include weapons and jewelry (if not already included) to be inline with current PVP sets


If this is implemented in its current form, I will most likely never buy a box just to preserve my own sanity.

MissBizz

For the update after Dark Brotherhood, we’re evaluating well over a dozen non-PvP item sets for updating to Champion 160. And no, we’re not spilling the beans about which ones just yet. We are watching your feedback about which sets you’d like to see updated, though!

Putting my vote in for Adroitness and Warlock. Oh and uggh... about 3156 of my friends also asked me to put a vote in for those as well.

Glad to see the sets coming back still and hoping that as time goes on they will be expanded to include jewelry, and maybe be a bit less RNG-tastic. Town capture sounds interesting, possibly as in you capture the town and only your alliance can speak the the gear vendor there? If so that would be a good way to split up the sets so you can offer less RNG-tastic features.

Beardimus

This is cool, thanks Zos

Birdovic

MissBizz wrote: »

For the update after Dark Brotherhood, we’re evaluating well over a dozen non-PvP item sets for updating to Champion 160. And no, we’re not spilling the beans about which ones just yet. We are watching your feedback about which sets you’d like to see updated, though!

Putting my vote in for Adroitness and Warlock. Oh and uggh... about 3156 of my friends also asked me to put a vote in for those as well.

Glad to see the sets coming back still and hoping that as time goes on they will be expanded to include jewelry, and maybe be a bit less RNG-tastic. Town capture sounds interesting, possibly as in you capture the town and only your alliance can speak the the gear vendor there? If so that would be a good way to split up the sets so you can offer less RNG-tastic features.

So you, me and your 3156 friends thought the same

Some Suggestions for upscaled sets:

EDIT:

Light:
Adroitness
Warlock
Healers Habit
Necropotence(other traits)
Syrabane's Grip
Undaunted Unweaver(changes in favour of hybrids, add jewelry)
Silks of the Sun

Medium:
Undaunted Infiltrator(changes in favour of hybrids, add jewelry)
Saviours Hide
Hide of the Werewolf
Coat of the Red Mountain (Item Set bonuses combined dont make sense, need to be looked at)
Stygian Set (Item Set bonuses combined dont make much sense, need to be looked at)

Heavy:
Undaunted Bastion
Soulshine
Ice Furnace (5pc bonus needs buffs)
Thunderous Plate Mail (Item Set bonuses combined dont make sense, needs to be looked at)
Storm Knight's Plate (way too low proc chance, needs to be looked at)
Footman's Fortune
Lord's Mail (5pc bonus needs adjustment)
Nikulas' Heavy Armor

and, as they will include V16 Master Weapons at some point, they will have to make DSA scale to V16, too -> all the sets there at v16 aswell


Proposal for Set

- "Robes of Alteration Mastery": Add Jewelry and/or Staves

- "Robes of Destruction Mastery": Add Jewelry and/or Staves

Deltia

TY for doing this for realz. Now I can run Skirmisher and Ravager and some of my favorite sets in the game at end game. Plus ESO gear system is looking like Magic the Gathering, a million combinations and possibilities. Regarding RNG bags, while I hate them, I understand the prinicple, keep people playing. There needs to be incentives for spending AP, just two suggestions.

1) Please make the gear bind on equip so PvPers have a viable source of income like selling Morag Tong to Poison DKs.
2) Please make the new SO gear bind on equip so PvEers can sell their Skirmisher gear to PvPers and have a influx of valuble equipment.

Lastly, I'd rather see RNG bags with RANDOM traits then something we can just buy (like Ravager vendor gear). A complete set of Ravager Skirmisher Well Fitted gets me excited (please no jokes).

susmitds

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Some sets NEED to be nerfed and some need to be buffed.

Morag Tong
Cyrodiils Light

those 2 sets need to be changed or we gonna have a fun time in cyrodiil.

You know what I see? Mag DK with Cyrodiils light and Mist form XD. That's 100% reduced damage, no?

No, they aren't additive like that.

correct, they end up multiplying.

So what does that mean in Wrobel's land? Above 100% mitigation? Close? Or like 85% ish?

They reduce damage one after another, so it will work like dmg*0.75*0.25≈82% mitigation

Gotcha...That's still OP af lol.

Unfortunately no, zerg will wipe you in 2 seconds anyway)

You are not supposed to win against zergs anyway. But this set is an Insta win for all small scale fights.

Docmandu

MSchroeder wrote: »

For the update after Dark Brotherhood, we’re evaluating well over a dozen non-PvP item sets for updating to Champion 160. And no, we’re not spilling the beans about which ones just yet. We are watching your feedback about which sets you’d like to see updated, though!

YES!!!! No CP gear bump after DB!!!! Hallelujah!!

NBrookus

Thank you for the answers @MSchroeder !

Let me add my votes for Footman and Soulshine. Really, really, we need Footman V16.

Sugaroverdose

@MSchroeder hope that you didn't take only @DDuke 's comments about cyrodiil's light, it's not even close to be OP.

susmitds wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Sugaroverdose wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Ishammael wrote: »

Zheg wrote: »

Moglijuana wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Some sets NEED to be nerfed and some need to be buffed.

Morag Tong
Cyrodiils Light

those 2 sets need to be changed or we gonna have a fun time in cyrodiil.

You know what I see? Mag DK with Cyrodiils light and Mist form XD. That's 100% reduced damage, no?

No, they aren't additive like that.

correct, they end up multiplying.

So what does that mean in Wrobel's land? Above 100% mitigation? Close? Or like 85% ish?

They reduce damage one after another, so it will work like dmg*0.75*0.25≈82% mitigation

Gotcha...That's still OP af lol.

Unfortunately no, zerg will wipe you in 2 seconds anyway)

You are not supposed to win against zergs anyway. But this set is an Insta win for all small scale fights.

Hard CC to him, toppling/explosive charge, BoP/HtD from him and templar becomes wet noodle. Insta win? in dreams, maybe.

dimensional

MrTarkanian48 wrote: »

I have been hoping for these sets to be scaled for a long time, and am happy to see this change

however

If this goes live in the way that the OP describes it will be the worst RNG nightmare in this game.

One box with 8 sets worth of gear in each, at 20K a piece? You will never get a 5 piece set that you need in the desired traits.

Take for example the “Defensive Heavy Armor” box:

In the current set configurations this box contains 48 different pieces of gear (if they do not expand them to include weapons and jewelry). Assuming they are available in 4 traits (Divines, Infused, Impenetrable, Reinforced). Ignoring whether or not Jewelry will have locked traits, this means 48*4*20,000=3,840,000. Assuming the box never gave you duplicate items, which it inevitably will, it would cost you 3,840,000 AP to get every piece of gear in each trait. RNG will make this cost even more.

The RNG system in the Sewers Tel Var Merchants is terrible, but will be better than this. I have spent 100K Tel Var on Shieldbreaker, and did not get a single piece of impen gear. Also any piece that drops in Head + Shoulders is wasted if your build requires Monster Helms. And the Tel Var merchant has a unique box for EACH set. I can only imagine the frustration of 8 sets in the box....

Please consider the following:

1) Ideally, eliminate RNG. Let people buy the piece they need, even if the price is 200-300k AP.

2) If not #1, make a box for each set individually for each set. The RNG will still be extremely frustrating, but not as bad.

3) Allow jewelry to be obtained in Epic/Legendary

4) Expand the sets to include weapons and jewelry (if not already included) to be inline with current PVP sets


If this is implemented in its current form, I will most likely never buy a box just to preserve my own sanity.

These items are all BoE so the idea is that you and everyone else out there buying these boxes will trade the pieces you don't want for the ones you do.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

Wow. ZOS finally agrees to bring back all these amazing sets, the theorycrafting potential is limitless and you people are already suggesting nerfs!!?!?!?!!?

Are you out of your freaking minds????!?

I'm looking at you @Alcast and @Ishammael @DDuke

You should know better than anyone that when ZOS nerfs sets they BREAK them and make them so undesirable that no one bothers to use them or theorycraft with them,

Get ready to see "This effect has a cooldown of X seconds" on every great set. Wouldn't that look pretty on Ravager? On Vengeance Leach?

Let's change Cyrodiils light to 5% chance to have a 5% chance to have a 5% chance to have a 5% chance to have your incoming damage reduced by 5% when channeling a spell.

Do you not remember what happened to Arch-Mage and Desert Rose?

From this:


To this:


That sure looks fun. What other sets can we ruin?

Lets look at arch-mage:

TO this

Oooohh 613 magicka. gets me so excited!




Are you guys ready to admit that the Champion system is what is unbalancing PvP, and the only reason any of these sets would be considered OP is that you can stack resources, regen and weapon damage to the roof plus get 25% more of anything with the champion system?

Remember when the seducer set was a great set? 8% magicka cost reduction. What is that 25 CP now? If I max magician, i can wear 3 Seducer sets. So much fun, lets keep the CP system and nerf gear.

Gear is fun. CP points are not. Cyrodiils light is not OP. Running Cyrodiils light with unlimited resources thanks to CP is OP. Back when you had to actually manage resources, (and templars had to run seducer or warlock for sustain) Cyrodiils light would be fun.

DDuke

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

Wow. ZOS finally agrees to bring back all these amazing sets, the theorycrafting potential is limitless and you people are already suggesting nerfs!!?!?!?!!?

Are you out of your freaking minds????!?

I'm looking at you @Alcast and @Ishammael @DDuke

You should know better than anyone that when ZOS nerfs sets they BREAK them and make them so undesirable that no one bothers to use them or theorycraft with them,

-snip-

Theorycrafting is not limitless when something is so strong you don't ask twice: "should I slot this set, or the other set... hmm..."

The balance is much better on other sets coming with this patch (Vicecanon, Viper etc) -these new "old" sets need some adjustments to fit today's meta.

DDuke

And it's not only that.

Some of these sets directly buff the already best performing PvE/PvP builds & further extrapolate the difference between them and the other builds.

dimensional

Except not a single one of us know exactly how much these sets will improve mathematically by being upgraded to 160. That's a claim without any evidence.

Yolokin_Swagonborn

DDuke wrote: »

And it's not only that.

Some of these sets directly buff the already best performing PvE/PvP builds & further extrapolate the difference between them and the other builds.

The cure is often worse than the disease with ZOS and you know that. Just ask anyone with a DK.

But I agree the controls have to go somewhere. You can either nerf boring things like Resources, Regen and damage, or nerf interesting things like gear.

You can either have powerful gear sets or a powerful CP system but not both. Which do you think is more exciting and interesting?

Changing sets to fit the meta? Really? The Meta is terrible, id rather shake it up a bit.

DDuke

dimensional wrote: »

Except not a single one of us know exactly how much these sets will improve mathematically by being upgraded to 160. That's a claim without any evidence.

Every set has the same values for "normal" bonuses (the 2-4 set pieces).

As for 5-piece bonuses, something like Morag Tong's +15% poison damage is very easy to calculate. Or "25% less damage taken while channeling/casting spells".

Sugaroverdose

dimensional wrote: »

Except not a single one of us know exactly how much these sets will improve mathematically by being upgraded to 160. That's a claim without any evidence.

Most of 5 piece effects are % based and doesn't changes with gear lvl, so cyrodiil's light v1 and v14 both gives 25% damage reduction while casting channeling, other values are standard and get standard values like 129 spelldmg on gold v16

DDuke

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

And it's not only that.

Some of these sets directly buff the already best performing PvE/PvP builds & further extrapolate the difference between them and the other builds.

The cure is often worse than the disease with ZOS and you know that. Just ask anyone with a DK.

But I agree the controls have to go somewhere. You can either nerf boring things like Resources, Regen and damage, or nerf interesting things like gear.

You can either have powerful gear sets or a powerful CP system but not both. Which do you think is more exciting and interesting?

Changing sets to fit the meta? Really? The Meta is terrible, id rather shake it up a bit.

You don't shake the meta up at all by making stam DKs & magicka templars more powerful...


And yes, I agree that more powerful gear needs to be added - I've been an advocate of gear progression for as long as I can remember.

However, that powerful gear needs to be gated - otherwise it's just "oh, a new patch - I'll just have to spend a bunch of AP/gold & now I've got a new outfit. Yay..."

Powerful gear should be earned by defeating difficult content or ranking high in PvP arenas/BGs (whenever those get released) - not by purchasing AP boxes.

All other gear should be roughly equal to promote build diversity.

That is my opinion.

Sugaroverdose

DDuke wrote: »

Yolokin_Swagonborn wrote: »

DDuke wrote: »

And it's not only that.

Some of these sets directly buff the already best performing PvE/PvP builds & further extrapolate the difference between them and the other builds.

The cure is often worse than the disease with ZOS and you know that. Just ask anyone with a DK.

But I agree the controls have to go somewhere. You can either nerf boring things like Resources, Regen and damage, or nerf interesting things like gear.

You can either have powerful gear sets or a powerful CP system but not both. Which do you think is more exciting and interesting?

Changing sets to fit the meta? Really? The Meta is terrible, id rather shake it up a bit.

You don't shake the meta up at all by making stam DKs & magicka templars more powerful...


And yes, I agree that more powerful gear needs to be added - I've been an advocate of gear progression for as long as I can remember.

However, that powerful gear needs to be gated - otherwise it's just "oh, a new patch - I'll just have to spend a bunch of AP/gold & now I've got a new outfit. Yay..."

Powerful gear should be earned by defeating difficult content or ranking high in PvP arenas/BGs (whenever those get released) - not by purchasing AP boxes.

All other gear should be roughly equal to promote build diversity.

That is my opinion.

I'm pvp exclusive player, for wtf reason should i grind 'competitive pve content'? AP was worthless since IC released, it's good that people can spend it and, at last, convert it into gold. I invest a lot of time in pvp, but after a week of pvping i have almost 0 gold, i need columbine and other cr*p, so i must go to pve instead of making gold by selling useful things which i deserved from AP perspective.

Zyle

MSchroeder wrote: »

in response to significant and vociferous player feedback!

Zheg

@MSchroeder
W

Zyle wrote: »

MSchroeder wrote: »

in response to significant and vociferous player feedback!

If only the same worked on that 80 page templar thread when TG hit PTS xD

I nominate @MSchroeder to reply to all questions on the forums now, I mean, look at that guy go.