PTS Patch Notes v2.4.2

Aletheion

Dromede wrote: »

Feynn wrote: »

Does anyone know what is the flat value of health restored by critical hits on Surge? Is it dependent on maximum magicka and/or spell power, or is it just based on your level? Any numbers?

@Feynn Power Surge gives flat value of 1980 health, it doesn't scale off anything as far as I tested. Procs every second as long as you crit.

Tool tip is 1980, but I'm averaging 2500 with roughly 50% crit heals. I put 50 points into Blessed and raised that to around 2800. Tool tip changed to 2285.

I put another 50 points into Quick Recovery and got it around 3200. Tool tip still says 2285 though.

I'm talking about average health restored per heal, not HPS. I healed 4 times for 13,184 for example. It was an 18 second fight where I took little damage so HPS was like 700.

My crit rating is currently 181.3% (clearly bugged.. again) but it's actually around 50% give or take a couple points.

My sorc is a caster, no-pet, magicka, destro staff, CP300 template with 2x kena, 5x Juli, 1x Maelstrom (all made gold), 3x Willpower (with gold spell damage enchants) so it's very close to my live toon.

DPS is suffering a bit by moving points into Blessed. Shield absorption is suffering a bit by moving points into Quick Recovery.

Overall self heals via Power Surge is significantly lower then on live where I can heal over 12k in a single hit.

On live, soloing around and depending on how much damage I'm taking, I can get 6 to 10k HPS. On PTS I can't get it over about 2500.

-Aletheion

sneakymitchell

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH

Weapon

• One Hand and Shield
  • Fortress: Increased the block cost reduction from this passive ability to 18/36% at Ranks I/II from 15/30%.

Oh my god getting a buff!



So people will stop complaining so much on heavy armor nerf on one silly passive.

dylanjaygrobbelaarb16_ESO

mzapkeneb18_ESO wrote: »

.....you nerfed blocking again....well done.

how so? you have to factor in that with the new sturdy trait in all gold is an additional 28% block cost reduction, as well as 6% more from sword and board. looks like blocking is going to be easier for more builds not harder.

VaxtinTheWolf

I'm one of the rare ones that uses Reinforced. I try my best not to rely on other people to craft for me. So my materials are fairly limited. I have Blue/Purple VR14 gear. 5 heavy, 2 light. I have used Seducers for the majority of my time as a Magicka NB tank, but recently tried using Twilights for more incoming healing.I don't have any DLC , if that says anything about availability of armour sets to me.

At base I have at least 20-23k Resistances, depending on extra bonuses. I can make the 2 Light pieces Sturdy, On live they are Divine. With the champion tree change, I go from 15% block cost reduction and shield expert, to having not having it and slighly more overall damage reduction(hardy/Elemental expert) with 6% block cost reduction. I'm not willing to give up anything less than 10% cost reduction/recovery. I did give up my points in tumbling though, for the occasional use of Break free while in dungeons, and some in bash cost reduction.

While I am able to make my Template character work similarly to my Live one, I felt I lost some more important things for what mostly seems like a damage increase, with my PTS setup. About 300-ish more spell power, around the same resistances, but a lot less block cost reduction than before.

I'm not quite sure how I feel about it. On PTS I did go back and solo the first 3 4-man Dungeons, Normal Banished cells for example, And things worked out so I technically think I can adjust to the current upcoming changes but I do believe some of those choices weren't necessary to have even been made. Whatever the reason, I'm sure it will and has bothered someone else a lot more than myself, who only does PvE content.

Khaos_Bane

ADarklore wrote: »

Khaos_Bane wrote: »

It is odd that all content they are releasing is primarily PvE, but they always balance skills based on PvP. Strange.

What I don't get is, if they can 'battle-level' Cyrodiil and adjust how things work when our character goes there, WHY can't they make certain skills have a 'Cyrodiil ONLY' variation?!? This way it wouldn't so severely impact PvE. I swear, every MMO that has PvE/PvP always has this same exact problem... why they don't code their games with the ability to have different skill variations between the different content is beyond me.

Exactly. They are doing both sides a disservice not making the skills behave differently in PvP and PvE.

Aleraon

@Valrien @code65536

Thanks for that guys and apologies @ZOS_GinaBruno
All those other mats were just being sneaky and hiding hehe

Xsorus

Magdalina wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

It's absolutely possible for good magblades and magplars to outdps good Overloading sorcs. While doing that, magblades and magplars also won't have to sacrifice using their ultimates on trash and possibly even half the bosses in order to save it for the next fight(during which sorc's sustained dps is gonna be the lowest of all classes), they can just keep using them as they fill, providing for much higher overall dps as well. Also, while doing that, magblades and magplars are also capable of pulling some OP selfheals(in magblades' case group heals even) just as a side effect of that dps, that do not have a cooldown and do not depend on crit.
Magblades, magplars and even DKs are also capable of using DW as their main weapon of choice to further increase sustained dps as, unlike sorcs, they DO get "spammable insta cast nukes" without a destro staff.

So please stop talking about OP sorc dps. It's simply not up there. Sorcs have an "easy"(and buggy) option for rather high burst dps but it is NOT the highest and it's literally all they have. No utility, no good selfheals, no good sustained dps and not even the highest burst (anymore).
Also, what's Overload like on PTS? On live it's the buggiest skill #1 for me, working properly about as often as Toppling Charge does, and I haven't seen anything about fixing it in the patch notes.

since we're talking about PvE here, yes it is entirely possible for a Magblade and Magplar to do it, Only Its 10x easier for the Sorc to do it and they generally can do it from range (in magplars case), And As for Magblades/Magplars/Dks don't run DW as there main weapon for sustained dps, They all use Fire Destro Staff, now in DKs case you'll have DW on your AOE bar, but your main bar is going to be Fire Destro 100% of time.

now with that settled, you're not getting a instant castable nuke on a sorc because then DW will outclass every other weapon available to you...So suck it up cupcake

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

So - you're either;

1. completely ignorant of the facts about sustained Sorc PvE dps
2. an anti-Sorc. agenda'ist because of Sorcs having second best burst in PvP (which is far more easily dodged...)
3. working for ZOS...

Which is it huh?

Sorcerer's are getting nerfed into PvE oblivion and you have the gall to make utterly unfounded and counter-factual statements like this?

Wow...

1. Or i can read and play a Sorc
2. You can't dodge the Sorc Burst Combo, 3/4 Attacks are undodgable.....4/5 if you count the execute.....
3. i don't work for ZOS

Sorcs aren't getting nerfed in PvE oblivion, go back to BWB and quit whining.

Valrien

Xsorus wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

It's absolutely possible for good magblades and magplars to outdps good Overloading sorcs. While doing that, magblades and magplars also won't have to sacrifice using their ultimates on trash and possibly even half the bosses in order to save it for the next fight(during which sorc's sustained dps is gonna be the lowest of all classes), they can just keep using them as they fill, providing for much higher overall dps as well. Also, while doing that, magblades and magplars are also capable of pulling some OP selfheals(in magblades' case group heals even) just as a side effect of that dps, that do not have a cooldown and do not depend on crit.
Magblades, magplars and even DKs are also capable of using DW as their main weapon of choice to further increase sustained dps as, unlike sorcs, they DO get "spammable insta cast nukes" without a destro staff.

So please stop talking about OP sorc dps. It's simply not up there. Sorcs have an "easy"(and buggy) option for rather high burst dps but it is NOT the highest and it's literally all they have. No utility, no good selfheals, no good sustained dps and not even the highest burst (anymore).
Also, what's Overload like on PTS? On live it's the buggiest skill #1 for me, working properly about as often as Toppling Charge does, and I haven't seen anything about fixing it in the patch notes.

since we're talking about PvE here, yes it is entirely possible for a Magblade and Magplar to do it, Only Its 10x easier for the Sorc to do it and they generally can do it from range (in magplars case), And As for Magblades/Magplars/Dks don't run DW as there main weapon for sustained dps, They all use Fire Destro Staff, now in DKs case you'll have DW on your AOE bar, but your main bar is going to be Fire Destro 100% of time.

now with that settled, you're not getting a instant castable nuke on a sorc because then DW will outclass every other weapon available to you...So suck it up cupcake

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

So - you're either;

1. completely ignorant of the facts about sustained Sorc PvE dps
2. an anti-Sorc. agenda'ist because of Sorcs having second best burst in PvP (which is far more easily dodged...)
3. working for ZOS...

Which is it huh?

Sorcerer's are getting nerfed into PvE oblivion and you have the gall to make utterly unfounded and counter-factual statements like this?

Wow...

1. Or i can read and play a Sorc
2. You can't dodge the Sorc Burst Combo, 3/4 Attacks are undodgable.....4/5 if you count the execute.....
3. i don't work for ZOS

Sorcs aren't getting nerfed in PvE oblivion, go back to BWB and quit whining.

You can dodge the execute, it's got like a one second delay between cast and striking.

Xsorus

Valrien wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

It's absolutely possible for good magblades and magplars to outdps good Overloading sorcs. While doing that, magblades and magplars also won't have to sacrifice using their ultimates on trash and possibly even half the bosses in order to save it for the next fight(during which sorc's sustained dps is gonna be the lowest of all classes), they can just keep using them as they fill, providing for much higher overall dps as well. Also, while doing that, magblades and magplars are also capable of pulling some OP selfheals(in magblades' case group heals even) just as a side effect of that dps, that do not have a cooldown and do not depend on crit.
Magblades, magplars and even DKs are also capable of using DW as their main weapon of choice to further increase sustained dps as, unlike sorcs, they DO get "spammable insta cast nukes" without a destro staff.

So please stop talking about OP sorc dps. It's simply not up there. Sorcs have an "easy"(and buggy) option for rather high burst dps but it is NOT the highest and it's literally all they have. No utility, no good selfheals, no good sustained dps and not even the highest burst (anymore).
Also, what's Overload like on PTS? On live it's the buggiest skill #1 for me, working properly about as often as Toppling Charge does, and I haven't seen anything about fixing it in the patch notes.

since we're talking about PvE here, yes it is entirely possible for a Magblade and Magplar to do it, Only Its 10x easier for the Sorc to do it and they generally can do it from range (in magplars case), And As for Magblades/Magplars/Dks don't run DW as there main weapon for sustained dps, They all use Fire Destro Staff, now in DKs case you'll have DW on your AOE bar, but your main bar is going to be Fire Destro 100% of time.

now with that settled, you're not getting a instant castable nuke on a sorc because then DW will outclass every other weapon available to you...So suck it up cupcake

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

So - you're either;

1. completely ignorant of the facts about sustained Sorc PvE dps
2. an anti-Sorc. agenda'ist because of Sorcs having second best burst in PvP (which is far more easily dodged...)
3. working for ZOS...

Which is it huh?

Sorcerer's are getting nerfed into PvE oblivion and you have the gall to make utterly unfounded and counter-factual statements like this?

Wow...

1. Or i can read and play a Sorc
2. You can't dodge the Sorc Burst Combo, 3/4 Attacks are undodgable.....4/5 if you count the execute.....
3. i don't work for ZOS

Sorcs aren't getting nerfed in PvE oblivion, go back to BWB and quit whining.

You can dodge the execute, it's got like a one second delay between cast and striking.

The Execute goes off when you drop below a certain %, there is virtually zero way you're going to dodge it..that's even if you could dodge it since the Sorc Burst is setup with ID/Curse/Streak/Dawnbreaker.

Thankfully in the new patch Dawnbreaker and ID won't really be an option anymore...But Currently the burst available to you in a single target fight is unrivaled except maybe by Stamina NB opening Strike from stealth.

Xsorus

Guild
Fighters Guild
Silver Leash (Silver Bolt morph):
Reduced the range of this morph’s secondary pull to 22 meters, which will no longer allow you to pull yourself up Keep walls in Cyrodiil. The initial bolt can still be fired if the target is out of range for the secondary pull.
Fixed an issue where the initial bolt from this morph could not be cast on enemies at higher or lower elevations from you.

---

Please just make this ability a Charge.......This is exact same issue DK Chain suffered from, its either a Pull or a Charge..and it was a huge pain in the ass.

in This case, I have to shoot this at the target...then open that person doesn't get out of range before i press it again.

JimT722

Black fur model for werewolf berserker. Any plans to implement this? Every patch notes I look hoping to see this here. This would make werewolf players very happy. They look great on NPC werewolves and would be nice to have on the berserker morph.

Nazarousb14_ESO

w3ng_vgeb17_ESO wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

FIXES & IMPROVEMENTS, BASE GAME PATCH

...

Sorcerer

• Dark Magic
  • Dark Exchange: Increased the amount of health restored from this ability and its morphs by 100%.
• Storm Calling
  • Disintegrate:
    • Renamed this passive ability to Implosion.
    • This passive ability now also grants all Physical Damage you deal a chance to instantly pulverize low health enemies, dealing additional Physical Damage to them.
    • Updated this passive’s tooltip to indicate what the health threshold is for it to trigger.
  • Energized: This passive ability now also increases your Physical Damage done in addition to the Shock Damage done.
  • Hurricane (Lightning Form morph): This morph now also grants the Minor Expedition buff at all times while it is active.
  • Surge: This ability and its morphs now restore a flat value of health whenever you deal a Critical Strike. It will now also proc on any Critical Strike instead of only direct damage Critical Strikes, but can only restore health once every second.

...

@ZOS_GinaBruno there's a slight inaccuracy here: According to the tooltip on PTS Implosion procs on Shock as well as Physical Damage. So the magicka sorc version has not been nerfed, it is still there.

The release notes read "also" there was no mistake.

Nazarousb14_ESO

I do not think the champion point tree change will matter as much to pve with the resource gains in heavy armor improved and the block cost reduction in 1 hand and shield then the trait change that reduces block cost. Using cc reduced time to get those block bonuses may just help tanks as you will not need to cc break as much.

Nazarousb14_ESO

Ahnastashia wrote: »

Every single one of my characters are gone on the PTS. I was thrilled when they copied over my main character on the PTS. It meant I could really try things out on my character, and understand exactly how the changes would impact me when it went live. Is anyone else's characters just gone after this latest patch?

They switch character copies from na to eu as there is only one test server.

Personofsecrets

I wish that the devs were trying to eviscerate HA and tanking, then we may have gotten a good buff!

Jsmalls

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

It's absolutely possible for good magblades and magplars to outdps good Overloading sorcs. While doing that, magblades and magplars also won't have to sacrifice using their ultimates on trash and possibly even half the bosses in order to save it for the next fight(during which sorc's sustained dps is gonna be the lowest of all classes), they can just keep using them as they fill, providing for much higher overall dps as well. Also, while doing that, magblades and magplars are also capable of pulling some OP selfheals(in magblades' case group heals even) just as a side effect of that dps, that do not have a cooldown and do not depend on crit.
Magblades, magplars and even DKs are also capable of using DW as their main weapon of choice to further increase sustained dps as, unlike sorcs, they DO get "spammable insta cast nukes" without a destro staff.

So please stop talking about OP sorc dps. It's simply not up there. Sorcs have an "easy"(and buggy) option for rather high burst dps but it is NOT the highest and it's literally all they have. No utility, no good selfheals, no good sustained dps and not even the highest burst (anymore).
Also, what's Overload like on PTS? On live it's the buggiest skill #1 for me, working properly about as often as Toppling Charge does, and I haven't seen anything about fixing it in the patch notes.

since we're talking about PvE here, yes it is entirely possible for a Magblade and Magplar to do it, Only Its 10x easier for the Sorc to do it and they generally can do it from range (in magplars case), And As for Magblades/Magplars/Dks don't run DW as there main weapon for sustained dps, They all use Fire Destro Staff, now in DKs case you'll have DW on your AOE bar, but your main bar is going to be Fire Destro 100% of time.

now with that settled, you're not getting a instant castable nuke on a sorc because then DW will outclass every other weapon available to you...So suck it up cupcake

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

So - you're either;

1. completely ignorant of the facts about sustained Sorc PvE dps
2. an anti-Sorc. agenda'ist because of Sorcs having second best burst in PvP (which is far more easily dodged...)
3. working for ZOS...

Which is it huh?

Sorcerer's are getting nerfed into PvE oblivion and you have the gall to make utterly unfounded and counter-factual statements like this?

Wow...

1. Or i can read and play a Sorc
2. You can't dodge the Sorc Burst Combo, 3/4 Attacks are undodgable.....4/5 if you count the execute.....
3. i don't work for ZOS

Sorcs aren't getting nerfed in PvE oblivion, go back to BWB and quit whining.

You can dodge the execute, it's got like a one second delay between cast and striking.

The Execute goes off when you drop below a certain %, there is virtually zero way you're going to dodge it..that's even if you could dodge it since the Sorc Burst is setup with ID/Curse/Streak/Dawnbreaker.

Thankfully in the new patch Dawnbreaker and ID won't really be an option anymore...But Currently the burst available to you in a single target fight is unrivaled except maybe by Stamina NB opening Strike from stealth.

2/4 of those skills are available to all classes, streak being a very minimal part of the damage 4k MAX, curse being comparable to the other classes higher damage abilities. It's frags that make our bursts deadly, which is possibly the easiest dodged skill in the game. That being said if you let a Sorcerer go on the offensive to que all those up without CCing then once, you deserve to die. And likewise with any other class and their setups ( 2x wrecking blows and an execute in a 3 second time span),(Prox det, soul tether, SAP essence), (2x dark flare, javelin, radiant)

Our curse is losing thaumaturge, Mag Det is being nerfed (for the better but still hurts), Dawnbreaker is losing 25% of its power for us, our wards are on a 6 second timer (that's right boys time your CCs for that 6 second mark, our health is very soft), power surge is now unviable 1 sec cool down for ~1000-2000 health IF you crit, (I suppose it wasn't used much but I can name a few times a frag has saved my life).

So to sum it all up, our defense was nerfed, our burst was nerfed, our Healing was nerfed, and the time we can spend in offense got nerfed. Well at least we can still run away from the fight with streak, oh wait *** can't even do that.

Regardless I'll adapt. But don't say that we didn't get hit hard this update.

What upsets me the most anyways is those damn poison's 60% cost increase, which apparently are suppose to stack with different poisons... Goodbye 1 v Xing

Anhedonie

Zeni, you should think again about Surge changes.
New surge is awful.

Xsorus

jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

It's absolutely possible for good magblades and magplars to outdps good Overloading sorcs. While doing that, magblades and magplars also won't have to sacrifice using their ultimates on trash and possibly even half the bosses in order to save it for the next fight(during which sorc's sustained dps is gonna be the lowest of all classes), they can just keep using them as they fill, providing for much higher overall dps as well. Also, while doing that, magblades and magplars are also capable of pulling some OP selfheals(in magblades' case group heals even) just as a side effect of that dps, that do not have a cooldown and do not depend on crit.
Magblades, magplars and even DKs are also capable of using DW as their main weapon of choice to further increase sustained dps as, unlike sorcs, they DO get "spammable insta cast nukes" without a destro staff.

So please stop talking about OP sorc dps. It's simply not up there. Sorcs have an "easy"(and buggy) option for rather high burst dps but it is NOT the highest and it's literally all they have. No utility, no good selfheals, no good sustained dps and not even the highest burst (anymore).
Also, what's Overload like on PTS? On live it's the buggiest skill #1 for me, working properly about as often as Toppling Charge does, and I haven't seen anything about fixing it in the patch notes.

since we're talking about PvE here, yes it is entirely possible for a Magblade and Magplar to do it, Only Its 10x easier for the Sorc to do it and they generally can do it from range (in magplars case), And As for Magblades/Magplars/Dks don't run DW as there main weapon for sustained dps, They all use Fire Destro Staff, now in DKs case you'll have DW on your AOE bar, but your main bar is going to be Fire Destro 100% of time.

now with that settled, you're not getting a instant castable nuke on a sorc because then DW will outclass every other weapon available to you...So suck it up cupcake

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

So - you're either;

1. completely ignorant of the facts about sustained Sorc PvE dps
2. an anti-Sorc. agenda'ist because of Sorcs having second best burst in PvP (which is far more easily dodged...)
3. working for ZOS...

Which is it huh?

Sorcerer's are getting nerfed into PvE oblivion and you have the gall to make utterly unfounded and counter-factual statements like this?

Wow...

1. Or i can read and play a Sorc
2. You can't dodge the Sorc Burst Combo, 3/4 Attacks are undodgable.....4/5 if you count the execute.....
3. i don't work for ZOS

Sorcs aren't getting nerfed in PvE oblivion, go back to BWB and quit whining.

You can dodge the execute, it's got like a one second delay between cast and striking.

The Execute goes off when you drop below a certain %, there is virtually zero way you're going to dodge it..that's even if you could dodge it since the Sorc Burst is setup with ID/Curse/Streak/Dawnbreaker.

Thankfully in the new patch Dawnbreaker and ID won't really be an option anymore...But Currently the burst available to you in a single target fight is unrivaled except maybe by Stamina NB opening Strike from stealth.

2/4 of those skills are available to all classes, streak being a very minimal part of the damage 4k MAX, curse being comparable to the other classes higher damage abilities. It's frags that make our bursts deadly, which is possibly the easiest dodged skill in the game. That being said if you let a Sorcerer go on the offensive to que all those up without CCing then once, you deserve to die. And likewise with any other class and their setups ( 2x wrecking blows and an execute in a 3 second time span),(Prox det, soul tether, SAP essence), (2x dark flare, javelin, radiant)

Our curse is losing thaumaturge, Mag Det is being nerfed (for the better but still hurts), Dawnbreaker is losing 25% of its power for us, our wards are on a 6 second timer (that's right boys time your CCs for that 6 second mark, our health is very soft), power surge is now unviable 1 sec cool down for ~1000-2000 health IF you crit, (I suppose it wasn't used much but I can name a few times a frag has saved my life).

So to sum it all up, our defense was nerfed, our burst was nerfed, our Healing was nerfed, and the time we can spend in offense got nerfed. Well at least we can still run away from the fight with streak, oh wait *** can't even do that.

Regardless I'll adapt. But don't say that we didn't get hit hard this update.

What upsets me the most anyways is those damn poison's 60% cost increase, which apparently are suppose to stack with different poisons... Goodbye 1 v Xing

1. You complain about 2/4 of those skills being available to other classes, Proceed to bring up Wrecking Blow/Prox Det (though i do give ya procs on the Templar one)
2. Its also not hard for a Sorc to Queue those up, The only one that's going to require a cast time is ID, The rest are delayed...Its basically the burst that every sorc uses..
3. Curse shouldn't be losing Thaum, Magic Det though is being nerfed for everyone in one vs one fights, Same for Dawnbreaker (will have to rely on something else), Power Surge isn't unviable now...It just won't return a massive amount of health on Crystal Frag hits for example...But a more steady stream (Crushing Shock for example will be 100% chance to proc it pretty much) and you're pretty much going to have to time your shields better...Yes this means stacking them more often but you can now basically make yourself immune to Physical and Magical every 6 seconds if ya want... Its become an active defense just like Block/Dodge are.

Alpheu5

Just ignore all of it.

Has nobody noticed the rise in the number of tempers required to improve gear (namely the 20 tempering alloy required for legendary)? Are they going to drop from refining raw materials a lot more frequently, or is this just another way to make sure having good gear is more difficult than it needs to be? Is this even intended, because it's not shown as a new crafting change, nor as a known issue.

5x Honing Stone for green (up from 2)
7x Dwarven Oil for blue (up from 3)
10x Grain Solvent for purple (up from 4)
20x Tempering Alloy for gold (up from 8)

RoyJade

20 temper with no point into the passive, still 8 with three point into the passive

Alpheu5

RoyJade wrote: »

20 temper with no point into the passive, still 8 with three point into the passive

Wahahah don't I feel like a moron. I forgot I didn't put passives into it. Talk about taking things for granted.

Epona222

Alpheu5 wrote: »

RoyJade wrote: »

20 temper with no point into the passive, still 8 with three point into the passive

Wahahah don't I feel like a moron. I forgot I didn't put passives into it. Talk about taking things for granted.

Don't sweat it, we've all done stuff like that at some point or another (at least this is the PTS, not live)

wolfsilver

Okay, there's definitely an issue going on with the pts on my account, because all my characters on the pts have been deleted, and it's making me start from scratch. I was hoping to use the pts characters I had to see if the issue I had with the dark brotherhood quest had been resolved, but I can't now, not without starting EVERYTHING from the ground up. Please fix this. I don't know if it's because of the latest patch or not, but this is a serious issue

Valrien

wolfsilver wrote: »

Okay, there's definitely an issue going on with the pts on my account, because all my characters on the pts have been deleted, and it's making me start from scratch. I was hoping to use the pts characters I had to see if the issue I had with the dark brotherhood quest had been resolved, but I can't now, not without starting EVERYTHING from the ground up. Please fix this. I don't know if it's because of the latest patch or not, but this is a serious issue

Europeans have their characters this round, everything got wiped.

Jsmalls

Xsorus wrote: »

jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

It's absolutely possible for good magblades and magplars to outdps good Overloading sorcs. While doing that, magblades and magplars also won't have to sacrifice using their ultimates on trash and possibly even half the bosses in order to save it for the next fight(during which sorc's sustained dps is gonna be the lowest of all classes), they can just keep using them as they fill, providing for much higher overall dps as well. Also, while doing that, magblades and magplars are also capable of pulling some OP selfheals(in magblades' case group heals even) just as a side effect of that dps, that do not have a cooldown and do not depend on crit.
Magblades, magplars and even DKs are also capable of using DW as their main weapon of choice to further increase sustained dps as, unlike sorcs, they DO get "spammable insta cast nukes" without a destro staff.

So please stop talking about OP sorc dps. It's simply not up there. Sorcs have an "easy"(and buggy) option for rather high burst dps but it is NOT the highest and it's literally all they have. No utility, no good selfheals, no good sustained dps and not even the highest burst (anymore).
Also, what's Overload like on PTS? On live it's the buggiest skill #1 for me, working properly about as often as Toppling Charge does, and I haven't seen anything about fixing it in the patch notes.

since we're talking about PvE here, yes it is entirely possible for a Magblade and Magplar to do it, Only Its 10x easier for the Sorc to do it and they generally can do it from range (in magplars case), And As for Magblades/Magplars/Dks don't run DW as there main weapon for sustained dps, They all use Fire Destro Staff, now in DKs case you'll have DW on your AOE bar, but your main bar is going to be Fire Destro 100% of time.

now with that settled, you're not getting a instant castable nuke on a sorc because then DW will outclass every other weapon available to you...So suck it up cupcake

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

So - you're either;

1. completely ignorant of the facts about sustained Sorc PvE dps
2. an anti-Sorc. agenda'ist because of Sorcs having second best burst in PvP (which is far more easily dodged...)
3. working for ZOS...

Which is it huh?

Sorcerer's are getting nerfed into PvE oblivion and you have the gall to make utterly unfounded and counter-factual statements like this?

Wow...

1. Or i can read and play a Sorc
2. You can't dodge the Sorc Burst Combo, 3/4 Attacks are undodgable.....4/5 if you count the execute.....
3. i don't work for ZOS

Sorcs aren't getting nerfed in PvE oblivion, go back to BWB and quit whining.

You can dodge the execute, it's got like a one second delay between cast and striking.

The Execute goes off when you drop below a certain %, there is virtually zero way you're going to dodge it..that's even if you could dodge it since the Sorc Burst is setup with ID/Curse/Streak/Dawnbreaker.

Thankfully in the new patch Dawnbreaker and ID won't really be an option anymore...But Currently the burst available to you in a single target fight is unrivaled except maybe by Stamina NB opening Strike from stealth.

2/4 of those skills are available to all classes, streak being a very minimal part of the damage 4k MAX, curse being comparable to the other classes higher damage abilities. It's frags that make our bursts deadly, which is possibly the easiest dodged skill in the game. That being said if you let a Sorcerer go on the offensive to que all those up without CCing then once, you deserve to die. And likewise with any other class and their setups ( 2x wrecking blows and an execute in a 3 second time span),(Prox det, soul tether, SAP essence), (2x dark flare, javelin, radiant)

Our curse is losing thaumaturge, Mag Det is being nerfed (for the better but still hurts), Dawnbreaker is losing 25% of its power for us, our wards are on a 6 second timer (that's right boys time your CCs for that 6 second mark, our health is very soft), power surge is now unviable 1 sec cool down for ~1000-2000 health IF you crit, (I suppose it wasn't used much but I can name a few times a frag has saved my life).

So to sum it all up, our defense was nerfed, our burst was nerfed, our Healing was nerfed, and the time we can spend in offense got nerfed. Well at least we can still run away from the fight with streak, oh wait *** can't even do that.

Regardless I'll adapt. But don't say that we didn't get hit hard this update.

What upsets me the most anyways is those damn poison's 60% cost increase, which apparently are suppose to stack with different poisons... Goodbye 1 v Xing

1. You complain about 2/4 of those skills being available to other classes, Proceed to bring up Wrecking Blow/Prox Det (though i do give ya procs on the Templar one)
2. Its also not hard for a Sorc to Queue those up, The only one that's going to require a cast time is ID, The rest are delayed...Its basically the burst that every sorc uses..
3. Curse shouldn't be losing Thaum, Magic Det though is being nerfed for everyone in one vs one fights, Same for Dawnbreaker (will have to rely on something else), Power Surge isn't unviable now...It just won't return a massive amount of health on Crystal Frag hits for example...But a more steady stream (Crushing Shock for example will be 100% chance to proc it pretty much) and you're pretty much going to have to time your shields better...Yes this means stacking them more often but you can now basically make yourself immune to Physical and Magical every 6 seconds if ya want... Its become an active defense just like Block/Dodge are.

1 Didn't complain about sharing abilities, simply stated 2 of our 4 combo burst is universal. Then I went on to discuss other classes' burst option within a 4 second time span (nightblade 4 to 8). It seems bursts in general are being nerfed, Mag Det, DB, WB. All three are getting targeted, well DB is just being changed to be more favorable to stamina rather than targeted. But alas it leaves the "Burst class aka Sorcs" with a lot less "burst". And considering that's suppose to be our go to kill an opponent hence no spammable dps skill it makes you wonder.
2. Again if you as a player let them que those up on you, whether it be hard for them or not, a death is deserved, by simply CCing them, making them go on the defensive and Ward up, or holding block that burst becomes useless. Just like if I get caught by fear when I have less than 3/4 of a bar of health and no shield up.
3. The patch notes said curse was unintendedly being raised by thaumaturge, so there is that. As for surge, we have to decide between a mediocre heal with major sorcerery, or (from what I've heard on PTS a vigor type heal?) Crit surge with no major sorcerery, so Mag Sorcs kind of got shafted there. But my biggest concern (short of how amazing power surge was in PvE and how the PTS change is a nerf nuke in my opinion) is that with this new meta everyone and their mothers will have access to full damage shields, noncrittable full damage shield, aka no crits, no healing being done at all, not even their measly 2k (and that's praying that it's not a glitch that its not being affected by battle spirit so more realistically 1k) Hps. So why would I even consider slotting that instead of degeneration, which also grants empower.

code65536

now with that settled, you're not getting a instant castable nuke on a sorc because then DW will outclass every other weapon available to you...So suck it up cupcake

Funny how you don't see magblades or mag DKs use DW on their main bar in PvE, even though they have instant castables. Weaving is important in PvE DPS, so you need a staff. Same reason why giving sorcs an instant castable won't make them all go DW on their front bar (unless they are newbies who need to L2weave). As for why templars do use DW, it's in part because Sweeps being melee makes DW weaving possible and in part because the channel time means the lower damage from DW weaving isn't as much of a downside.

Mercenary55

Just make werewolf toggle on already debuff if or whatever but just make it toggle.

Runkorko

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Combat & Gameplay
General

• Fixed an issue where several abilities (such as Daedric Curse or Weapon Enchantment damage procs) was causing your health bar to become desynced.

Nightblade

• Siphoning
  • Power Extraction (Drain Power morph): This morph now deals Disease Damage instead of Physical Damage.

Sorcerer

• Dark Magic
  • Dark Exchange: Increased the amount of health restored from this ability and its morphs by 100%.
• Storm Calling
  • Disintegrate:
    • Renamed this passive ability to Implosion.
    • This passive ability now also grants all Physical Damage you deal a chance to instantly pulverize low health enemies, dealing additional Physical Damage to them.
    • Updated this passive’s tooltip to indicate what the health threshold is for it to trigger.
  • Energized: This passive ability now also increases your Physical Damage done in addition to the Shock Damage done.
  • Hurricane (Lightning Form morph): This morph now also grants the Minor Expedition buff at all times while it is active.
  • Surge: This ability and its morphs now restore a flat value of health whenever you deal a Critical Strike. It will now also proc on any Critical Strike instead of only direct damage Critical Strikes, but can only restore health once every second.

Templar

• Restoring Light
  • Extended Ritual (Cleansing Ritual morph): This morph now also increases the amount of negative effects cleansed from the casting Templar to 5 from 2.
  • Ritual of Retribution (Cleansing Ritual morph): This morph now also increases the amount of healing done to you and your allies by 20%; the damage done to enemies has been increased to match this value.
  • Sacred Ground: Fixed an issue where this passive ability’s Movement Speed reduction was removing enemy players from crouch or Invisibility.

Do you guys know there is a DRAGONKNIGHT in your game Why i see nothing about this class?Hello?! Heavy armor and vamp mist changes wont bring mag dk to other classes level, we rely on block and impen most than others, and now when we must choose which one to cut and wich one to put on armor will cut our survivability at half.We stil dont get class dmg skill with higher than 7 yards, and we stil cant do s..t if someone decide to reset fight and just move away from us like boss.And what about mist movement speed btw, is like increased WALK speed not runing speed. Even my grandma can out run it, backwards... Atleast make it equal to Dark Stalker speed Give us something pls. Anything. Оverall I like the changes, but show us some love.

And now i read this: "Champion System
We recently moved the block cost reduction from the Steed tree to the Shadow tree. This change was made to give more options in customizing your defenses, and help reduce the amount of time spent blocking. When spending Warrior points, you don’t need to invest in block cost; you can now consider increased healing taken, stronger damage shields, or more damage reduction. Let’s dive into how this will affect the stats of a character with 501 Champion Points who is trying to maximize their block time and damage resistance"

This is a JOKE right? I hope so. Because you dont just cut our block, by moving it to shadow tree your cut our magicka and stamina regen too. What is the reason to do this ? Why you are making new changes rather than fix old problems. Stop looking at game like she`s is PvE only. You add PvP too. Is time to start showing that you care about it(and btw this is bad news for pve magicka tanks too). And yes i may sound salty. because i`m.We all know good changes in ESO take time. And I dont want to wait another year or two. Stil have hope in DB. Make it right!

Xsorus

jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

jyates214b14_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Magdalina wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

It's absolutely possible for good magblades and magplars to outdps good Overloading sorcs. While doing that, magblades and magplars also won't have to sacrifice using their ultimates on trash and possibly even half the bosses in order to save it for the next fight(during which sorc's sustained dps is gonna be the lowest of all classes), they can just keep using them as they fill, providing for much higher overall dps as well. Also, while doing that, magblades and magplars are also capable of pulling some OP selfheals(in magblades' case group heals even) just as a side effect of that dps, that do not have a cooldown and do not depend on crit.
Magblades, magplars and even DKs are also capable of using DW as their main weapon of choice to further increase sustained dps as, unlike sorcs, they DO get "spammable insta cast nukes" without a destro staff.

So please stop talking about OP sorc dps. It's simply not up there. Sorcs have an "easy"(and buggy) option for rather high burst dps but it is NOT the highest and it's literally all they have. No utility, no good selfheals, no good sustained dps and not even the highest burst (anymore).
Also, what's Overload like on PTS? On live it's the buggiest skill #1 for me, working properly about as often as Toppling Charge does, and I haven't seen anything about fixing it in the patch notes.

since we're talking about PvE here, yes it is entirely possible for a Magblade and Magplar to do it, Only Its 10x easier for the Sorc to do it and they generally can do it from range (in magplars case), And As for Magblades/Magplars/Dks don't run DW as there main weapon for sustained dps, They all use Fire Destro Staff, now in DKs case you'll have DW on your AOE bar, but your main bar is going to be Fire Destro 100% of time.

now with that settled, you're not getting a instant castable nuke on a sorc because then DW will outclass every other weapon available to you...So suck it up cupcake

byrom101b16_ESO wrote: »

Xsorus wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

Bandit1215 wrote: »

Valrien wrote: »

You guys had a chance with sorcs and you guys dropped the ball again. Passive changes for Stam Sorc, and nothing for Magicka players? Not even an instant damage spam for example? Nice. Fantastic job, ZOS.

Are you kidding me man? Magicka Sorcs have the best burst in the game. Sure they have no spammable DPS (btw neither do stamsorcs other than weapon abilities, and if you want one as a mag sorc, use destro) but they do NOT need a spammable DPS.

Right there boys, I've spotted the not so rare ignorant forum poster.

So A. the best burst award goes to nightblades
and B. who cares about PvE, right? It's not like Sorc has the absolute lowest PvE DPS or anything.

By the way, "use a destro" is just pidgeonholing us into having less build variety.

Nope, he's pretty much correct...Magicka Sorcs have some the absolute best burst in the game rivaling Nightblades.

and Sorcs can put out some of the best PvE DPS in the game....

and Use a destro isn't pidgeonholding you, Its one of the TWO magicka based weapons...The only other weapon setup you can run is DW, and you want to do that because how powerful it is..and its only balanced cause it doesn't give you access to a spammable instant cast nuke.

So - you're either;

1. completely ignorant of the facts about sustained Sorc PvE dps
2. an anti-Sorc. agenda'ist because of Sorcs having second best burst in PvP (which is far more easily dodged...)
3. working for ZOS...

Which is it huh?

Sorcerer's are getting nerfed into PvE oblivion and you have the gall to make utterly unfounded and counter-factual statements like this?

Wow...

1. Or i can read and play a Sorc
2. You can't dodge the Sorc Burst Combo, 3/4 Attacks are undodgable.....4/5 if you count the execute.....
3. i don't work for ZOS

Sorcs aren't getting nerfed in PvE oblivion, go back to BWB and quit whining.

You can dodge the execute, it's got like a one second delay between cast and striking.

The Execute goes off when you drop below a certain %, there is virtually zero way you're going to dodge it..that's even if you could dodge it since the Sorc Burst is setup with ID/Curse/Streak/Dawnbreaker.

Thankfully in the new patch Dawnbreaker and ID won't really be an option anymore...But Currently the burst available to you in a single target fight is unrivaled except maybe by Stamina NB opening Strike from stealth.

2/4 of those skills are available to all classes, streak being a very minimal part of the damage 4k MAX, curse being comparable to the other classes higher damage abilities. It's frags that make our bursts deadly, which is possibly the easiest dodged skill in the game. That being said if you let a Sorcerer go on the offensive to que all those up without CCing then once, you deserve to die. And likewise with any other class and their setups ( 2x wrecking blows and an execute in a 3 second time span),(Prox det, soul tether, SAP essence), (2x dark flare, javelin, radiant)

Our curse is losing thaumaturge, Mag Det is being nerfed (for the better but still hurts), Dawnbreaker is losing 25% of its power for us, our wards are on a 6 second timer (that's right boys time your CCs for that 6 second mark, our health is very soft), power surge is now unviable 1 sec cool down for ~1000-2000 health IF you crit, (I suppose it wasn't used much but I can name a few times a frag has saved my life).

So to sum it all up, our defense was nerfed, our burst was nerfed, our Healing was nerfed, and the time we can spend in offense got nerfed. Well at least we can still run away from the fight with streak, oh wait *** can't even do that.

Regardless I'll adapt. But don't say that we didn't get hit hard this update.

What upsets me the most anyways is those damn poison's 60% cost increase, which apparently are suppose to stack with different poisons... Goodbye 1 v Xing

1. You complain about 2/4 of those skills being available to other classes, Proceed to bring up Wrecking Blow/Prox Det (though i do give ya procs on the Templar one)
2. Its also not hard for a Sorc to Queue those up, The only one that's going to require a cast time is ID, The rest are delayed...Its basically the burst that every sorc uses..
3. Curse shouldn't be losing Thaum, Magic Det though is being nerfed for everyone in one vs one fights, Same for Dawnbreaker (will have to rely on something else), Power Surge isn't unviable now...It just won't return a massive amount of health on Crystal Frag hits for example...But a more steady stream (Crushing Shock for example will be 100% chance to proc it pretty much) and you're pretty much going to have to time your shields better...Yes this means stacking them more often but you can now basically make yourself immune to Physical and Magical every 6 seconds if ya want... Its become an active defense just like Block/Dodge are.

1 Didn't complain about sharing abilities, simply stated 2 of our 4 combo burst is universal. Then I went on to discuss other classes' burst option within a 4 second time span (nightblade 4 to 8). It seems bursts in general are being nerfed, Mag Det, DB, WB. All three are getting targeted, well DB is just being changed to be more favorable to stamina rather than targeted. But alas it leaves the "Burst class aka Sorcs" with a lot less "burst". And considering that's suppose to be our go to kill an opponent hence no spammable dps skill it makes you wonder.
2. Again if you as a player let them que those up on you, whether it be hard for them or not, a death is deserved, by simply CCing them, making them go on the defensive and Ward up, or holding block that burst becomes useless. Just like if I get caught by fear when I have less than 3/4 of a bar of health and no shield up.
3. The patch notes said curse was unintendedly being raised by thaumaturge, so there is that. As for surge, we have to decide between a mediocre heal with major sorcerery, or (from what I've heard on PTS a vigor type heal?) Crit surge with no major sorcerery, so Mag Sorcs kind of got shafted there. But my biggest concern (short of how amazing power surge was in PvE and how the PTS change is a nerf nuke in my opinion) is that with this new meta everyone and their mothers will have access to full damage shields, noncrittable full damage shield, aka no crits, no healing being done at all, not even their measly 2k (and that's praying that it's not a glitch that its not being affected by battle spirit so more realistically 1k) Hps. So why would I even consider slotting that instead of degeneration, which also grants empower.

1. Your burst will still be there; it just won't be instant kill level of burst...it also will rely on things like meteor instead of dawnbreaker. my magicka nb will be in the same shoe basically.
2. You understand sorcs can throw up shields constantly and go full offense right? And just holding up block is a good way to run out of resources and die.... unless you can maintain 100% pressure on a sorc there is basically no way your method of just CC them is going to work.... They are going to get off that burst.
3. Crit surge will go off on shields, at least it should last I checked... Think it was made a while back to do that.... The heal itself is pretty decent since it seems to not be affected by battle spirit, and heals for around 3k... Which is a bit more then dragons blood will heal for *grin*... I personally look at it like this, crushing shock will set it off every cast, that's pretty decent healing...

Elsterchen

Enodoc wrote: »

Elsterchen wrote: »

ZOS_GinaBruno wrote: »

Nameplates & Health Bars

Off-button? Please?
Let us please turn the ugly things off completely.

Please ZOS_GinaBruno, ZOS_JessicaFolsom @... anyone explain to me why the current "off" setting do not dislay "nameplates"? What are these "@name charnames" - thingies I see called, if not "NAMEPLATES" ?

@Elsterchen Nameplates are the things that appear directly over characters' heads. If you turn them off, those overhead names are not visible. There is a separate setting for both the Nameplate, and the Health bar.

Nameplates/Health bars:

(Nabbed from another thread)

What you can't turn off, because you never could, is the target frame at the top (circled), or the interaction prompt in the centre (yes it's a picture of an NPC, but the functionality is the same):

(Nabbed from another thread)

@Enodoc ... Ty for explaining, but are you sure that the target frame is the ugly "@name charname"- thingy? I always thought a target frame, well, it is a frame around the target... the outline of the "hitbox" (visible or not).

Nevertheless... The patch notes do not mention any changes to target frames.

@ZOS_GinaBruno, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ... please remove this bug!

Target frames seem to be broken and these "@name charname"- thingies now displaying are ugly.

(Not to mention RP-lers like to be adressed by charnames while RP-ing, @names kill immersion and atmosphere... security issues... bli bla blup (i've said it several times in 2 languages ... I hate to repeat myself)