IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

Lysette · July 2016

Abeille wrote: »

I didn't notice real distortions with the Breton Hero outfit. Anyone did? The way the coat goes straight down and hides the sides of this otherwise form-fitting costume can give that impression, but the armor behind the coat still looks okay on females. At least on my character (I could only test on one, I'm having problems with my internet).

It looks strange from the side if you have a flat belly - the coat is not behaving like a coat, but sticks to the body - unlike with a duster for example - and this makes the whole thing look absolutely weird, if you have chosen a flat muscular belly instead of a well fed one.

It looks small from the side and extra-wide from the front.

WeerW3ir · July 2016

plz fix it thx.

LadyHeloise · July 2016

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Lysette wrote: »

It looks small from the side and extra-wide from the front.

It looks rather shapeless and wide from the back too.

LadyNalcarya · July 2016

Lysette wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Is it just me but why is everything so skintight looking in this game? I agree with the the person starting this thread about chest area looking awful with some armors on females. But with is everything so tight looking? Can we please have some flowing robes that feel light and silky?

Because many clothing and armor items are just painted on char's model.
Its not really related to the issue we discuss in this thread since there are some costumes that arent skin tight but dont change characters shape. For example, this one:

Yes, that pirate outfit is one of the better ones, it looks good on male and female characters. Your elven character looks gorgeous btw.

Thanks!

And yeah, I really like that costume pack. I wish we had more outfits like these.

MornaBaine · July 2016

Abeille wrote: »

I didn't notice real distortions with the Breton Hero outfit. Anyone did?

Oh, let me show you then. Here is how Morna normally looks:

And here she is in that infernal costume:

So...suddenly she's bald, her chest is massively deformed, and the back of the coat, instead of falling gracefully from the shoulder, has bad static cling and sticks to her behind and the back of her legs. She's also apparently put on quite a bit of weight. If the coat fell in a straight line the way it SHOULD it wouldn't look weird but instead that made it bizarrely cling to her figure. Notice how it follows her curves? But those curves are wayyyy wider than they should be.

And all of this for 2,000 crowns? No thank you.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · July 2016

Ouch. After the dro-M'Athra was 4k Crowns I figured I'd skip the Hero costume for cost reasons...I didn't think I'd WANT to skip on the Hero costume.

Thing is, Zeni...my main is female. I play her the most, she's the one I get bored of seeing the same outfit on 24/7, and she's the one I dress up the most as a result. If the costume doesn't look good on her, I probably won't buy it.

Dromede · July 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

Ouch. After the dro-M'Athra was 4k Crowns I figured I'd skip the Hero costume for cost reasons...I didn't think I'd WANT to skip on the Hero costume.

Thing is, Zeni...my main is female. I play her the most, she's the one I get bored of seeing the same outfit on 24/7, and she's the one I dress up the most as a result. If the costume doesn't look good on her, I probably won't buy it.

That's beautiful reasoning. I think devs need to be reminded that we buy costumes and other fluff stuff because it looks pretty, not because it's limited/long awaited/hyped up. This is just so unfair to those who have beed waiting for this costume since launch...

craybest · July 2016

I think there are 2 separate issues that are happening here that are treated as one.
For plate armor, I think it's okay that it doesn't really get skintight for boob shape, I actually enjoy that from this game.
Now for leather or cloth armor, it is true that the shape is wrong and should be fixed. I don't understand why they have fixed some armor and other new ones have the exact same mistake.

Dromede · July 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

For those of you who have been following this thread, check out the Dev comments from @ZOS_JessicaFolsom (hallowed be her name!)! What has so appalled us with newer armor, namely the awful distorted look, that was attributed to Gina's statement that they were no longer making armor for female models and were merely "morphing" MALE armor to fit the female figure appears to not really be the whole story. Apparently that look we all find so awful is UNINTENDED and is now being investigated with an eye towards FIXING IT! HUZZAH!!! Many thanks to the ZOS team for taking this seriously and taking action even amid the debacle of "Cake Gate!" Though beleaguered already, they are doing the right thing here. Despite all my cranky snark! LOL So...MUCH APPRECIATED ZOS! GG!

UPDATE 7/18/16: Despite having said this distortion was "not intended" and would be fixed the only one I KNOW has been fixed is the Trinimac light chest. MANY armors remain horribly distorted. I'll post pics taken just yesterday below those already on here. I would like ZOS to tell us what is being done about this, an actual ETA on when this problem might actually be resolved for ALL armors and to assure us that no more NEW armors will have this flaw.

So here we have the last Light Armor you decided to do correctly, Ancient Orc:

And HERE is the Trinimac I was sooooo excited to get until I discovered that it looked like THIS:

Am I the only one who thinks this looks absolutely TERRIBLE????

I already posted about being unhappy with these Light Robes:

Pics taken 7/17/16:

Leki's Jack

Jack of Bahara's Curse

Ebonhart Pact Medium

Curiass of the Night Mother

On an up note, they HAVE managed to release some new armors that look right:

Jack of Flanking

I was somewhat willing to concede that these last 2 do indeed look as if they have metal armor pieces as well which we might not expect to conform to the figure. However that is completely NOT the case on the Trinimac Light Robe which does indeed look as if it is composed entirely of fabric. WHY would you go to the trouble to design these beautiful armor sets and then make them look absolutely HORRIBLE on female characters? Just...WHY?

I am BEGGING you, PLEASE reconsider this terrible design decision wherein you simply "morph" the male designs to fit onto female character models. It's cutting corners in the most awful way. Truly, I cannot begin to express to you how unhappy this has made me. I feel like it is completely pointless to even try to get any future armor you put out. It may seem very silly to some people but this is literally "game breaking" to me. Because it looks SO BAD gear has now become pointless to me. PLEASE redo these robes to properly fit female character models and get it into an upcoming patch. PLEASE.

I'm going to quote this here since i think people don't bother reading. This is not about boob-shaped armor, this is a ZOS confirmed bug of bloated chests of the newer motifs' armors on both male and female characters. The bug applies to all kinds of armor - light, medium and heavy to a different extent.

We don't advocate for boob plates (at least not for many pages, this part of discussion has died out), we just want don't want obvious deformation to be there.

Hope it helps to clarify the situation.

Skcarkden · July 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

I must admit i don't really see the problem.... robes not being skin tight to show the female form in full detail?

You might want to read the OP then, which you clearly haven't. But thanks for the bump anyway.

Oh, i have. But honestly, when it's phrased as "i was glad to see this, but not this" it's left to me to try and figure out the issue, and honestly the only different i can really discern is the lining. the one you're happy about better shows off the characters body, and the exact shape of the bosom. but the one you're not happy with just goes down straight and not highlight the exact shape or close to it.

When i made my previous comment, i was trying to fish for a more defined explanation, i wasn't trying to dismiss it completely.

I just honestly still can't see the problem.I dunno I guess i prefer a Samus Aran approach over a Lara Craft. Or Captain Phasma.

BlackSparrow · July 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

If the costume doesn't look good on her, I probably won't buy it.

Yep, which is why I'm not buying the Breton Hero. If it looked good on my main, it would be exactly her style... but she's a curvy gal, and that bulge in the front of her chest looks neither like her natural curves nor like how armor would account for those curves. Instead, it makes it look like something she was massively allergic to stung the front of her torso and now it's swelling up.

Skcarkden wrote: »

I just honestly still can't see the problem.I dunno I guess i prefer a Samus Aran approach over a Lara Craft. Or Captain Phasma.

I agree with you, but this isn't necessarily about the Samus Aran approach. Honestly, if it looked like how armor actually looks on girls (Generally? Form-erasing rather than form-enhancing), I'd like it more. Samus and Phasma are both known for looking like guys in their armor, because that's what breasts do in plate. They squish. I'd be happier if this costume were completely flat in front instead of the bulgy glob it currently is on the top. XP

LadyNalcarya · July 2016

A picture is worth a thousand words they say.
So I'll just repost mine from the start of the thread:

I'm open to all stylistic approaches, but sorry, this is not "style", this is just an ugly deformation.
And @ZOS_JessicaFolsom said its not intended anyway.

Waseem · July 2016

The more i check whats going on with content/DLC/crownstore in ESO.. The more i start to feel it as MMO on a tight budget which just makes it poorly moving forward.

The female costumes are so poorly maintained.. Its like.. "hi designer.. How much u want to design armor for male and female? 2000! Ok take 1000 and design only male version....
Hi designer 2.. We have this male costume.. Make female version.. No we wont pay 1000 we pay you 20
Designer 2 pumps chest forward on free open source software and he's done...

I know that my example is weird.. But im pretty sure its close to how it goes in the office...

They make really hard choices when its about designing costumes such as "what shall i take with my morning coffee? A cake or a donut?"

MornaBaine · July 2016

I have so much armor sitting in my bank, bound of course so I'm pretty much stuck with it outside of just giving up and selling it to the in-game merchants, that I can't even us that it's just not even funny. And makes it impossible to get excited about new motifs coming out.

Also I'd really like to get pics of the Pact, Dominion and Covenant motifs recently released on the Crown Store. So please share those here as well.

LadyNalcarya · July 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Also I'd really like to get pics of the Pact, Dominion and Covenant motifs recently released on the Crown Store. So please share those here as well.

Pact style... Well, same hunchbacks for medium and light.

Other styles also didnt change it seems.

ZOS, please fix this! These styles could've been so great...

failkiwib16_ESO · July 2016

ZOS if you aren't going to change these hunchback designs, at least give us a lorefriendly Notre Dame

pecheckler · July 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

A picture is worth a thousand words they say.
So I'll just repost mine from the start of the thread:

I'm open to all stylistic approaches, but sorry, this is not "style", this is just an ugly deformation.
And @ZOS_JessicaFolsom said its not intended anyway.

Hideous. That's the worst torso model i've ever seen in a game.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · July 2016

...If they don't have a mocking call-back about the form-twisting styles of the Second Era in the next Elder Scrolls game, I'm modding one in.

Abeille · July 2016

Did you guys try the new two imperial costumes that were released today?

I'm looking for some screenshots. My internet is acting up and I'm unable to try them on my characters right now.

LadyNalcarya · July 2016

@Abeille wrote: »

Did you guys try the new two imperial costumes that were released today?

I'm looking for some screenshots. My internet is acting up and I'm unable to try them on my characters right now.

Those 2 costumes actually look pretty decent. Here's screenies:

Its really weird that the quality is so inconsistent...

Abeille · July 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Abeille wrote: »

Did you guys try the new two imperial costumes that were released today?

I'm looking for some screenshots. My internet is acting up and I'm unable to try them on my characters right now.

Those 2 costumes actually look pretty decent. Here's screenies:
[pics]
Its really weird that the quality is so inconsistent...

That's a relief, thanks for the pics. I still hope they fix the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown one day.

MornaBaine · July 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Abeille wrote: »

Did you guys try the new two imperial costumes that were released today?

I'm looking for some screenshots. My internet is acting up and I'm unable to try them on my characters right now.

Those 2 costumes actually look pretty decent. Here's screenies:

Its really weird that the quality is so inconsistent...

Thanks for posting these. Although I am waiting for the more elaborate Imperial costumes to come out I was pleased that these seem to fit so well. I agree that the inconsistency with fit and distortion with the costumes is baffling. Let's hope this is an indication that they are paying attention and are improving the quality of costumes from here on out.

WhiteCoatSyndrome · July 2016

@KoshkaMurka They probably have more than one artist working on these, and more than one QA person. If artist A is pickier/more skilled than artist B, and artist A does THIS costume and artist B does THAT costume...and the same holds for QA person A and B but not all of artist B's stuff goes through QA person A...

Blackbird71 · July 2016

WhiteCoatSyndrome wrote: »

@KoshkaMurka They probably have more than one artist working on these, and more than one QA person. If artist A is pickier/more skilled than artist B, and artist A does THIS costume and artist B does THAT costume...and the same holds for QA person A and B but not all of artist B's stuff goes through QA person A...

This is why standardization and clear requirements are critical for any business to produce a consistent quality experience for their customers. Of course, then you need to enforce those requirements, but nothing should go out the door unless it has met the minimum standards.

With the state of these armors, and particularly the wide variance in quality, we can assume that at least one of the following is true:

Whoever at ZOS is responsible for ensuring and enforcing quality is not doing so.
ZOS just has really low standards of quality.

Either one is pretty bad, but it comes down to whether it's a problem with as little as one individual, or if it's an issue with company-wide policy. An individual not doing their job is something that can get fixed more easily than convincing the company to change their whole set of standards.

Dromede · July 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Abeille wrote: »

Did you guys try the new two imperial costumes that were released today?

I'm looking for some screenshots. My internet is acting up and I'm unable to try them on my characters right now.

Those 2 costumes actually look pretty decent. Here's screenies:

Its really weird that the quality is so inconsistent...

Thanks for posting these. Although I am waiting for the more elaborate Imperial costumes to come out I was pleased that these seem to fit so well. I agree that the inconsistency with fit and distortion with the costumes is baffling. Let's hope this is an indication that they are paying attention and are improving the quality of costumes from here on out.

Look at the stains on bottom left of the blue dress, both in the front and the back. It' s an inconsistent pattern or something... I remember this issue being addressed on pts, but never seen an official reaponse.. i wonder if dyes will help

Lara1701 · July 2016

Abeille wrote: »

Did you guys try the new two imperial costumes that were released today?

I'm looking for some screenshots. My internet is acting up and I'm unable to try them on my characters right now.

I did. They seem to fit very nicely. Loose in the right places, snug in the right places, good textures and design; not to mention they're reasonably priced (IMO). 500 should be the max for the average costume. Some should be less. The "hero" costumes should not exceed ten dollars. We're talking paltry little game additions here. When I've got to pay the same rates as a new game or an IMAX ticket, something has gone terribly wrong.

Lysette · July 2016

Abeille wrote: »

Did you guys try the new two imperial costumes that were released today?

I'm looking for some screenshots. My internet is acting up and I'm unable to try them on my characters right now.

They look really nice on my characters - the male one is even better looking on my female characters.

MornaBaine · August 2016

Dare we hope some more armors have been fixed with this update? I'll be checking my collection of terrible armors I can't currently wear. If anyone finds fixes, please screenshot and post them here!

josefcifkaeb17_ESO · August 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

@Abeille wrote: »

Did you guys try the new two imperial costumes that were released today?

I'm looking for some screenshots. My internet is acting up and I'm unable to try them on my characters right now.

Those 2 costumes actually look pretty decent. Here's screenies:

Its really weird that the quality is so inconsistent...

That's probably because they are using a few different templates to create new costumes, they just modify them, don't create completely new models.

There's the old template that fits a female body nicely, but is basically just painted on your character.

And then there's a newer template that's not just painted on, but it's screwed and doesn't fit right.

aetherial_heavenn · August 2016

I am new to ESO but even I have noticed the distortion.

Also, there's so much clipping by weapons on all armour types! While I love the dye system, I do wish i could equip different pieces of armour, including drops, cosmetically. Then i could individualise my look and avoid the niggles; floating shoulders, hair removal hoods and cowls, staves that impale me, if the shoulders or hilt of my weapon hasn't. My mate hates it as much as I do. I don't think gender is an issue. It just really annoys some of us, sloppy design/QA is sloppy, whether it's on male or female, npc or pc etc. But since I can't avoid sloppy slip ups by cosmetically equipping armour pieces of my choice,

please fix the bugged template, asap.

I really enjoy the game by the way. But as a famous musicologist said at a bluesfest, while tuning up: "We tune, because you care." Should be the motto of every artist..and quality controller.