IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

NBrookus

MornaBaine wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

FWIW, my male templar in a trinimac chest has boobs. Not pecs... boobs. So it's not just default male, it's screwy models altogether.

Could you possibly screenshot that here? They have looked at this thread before for documentation of which armors are affected and this sounds like a new problem actually so a pic would be really helpful.

It's not as bad as the bloated torsos, but it's not good.

Ravinsild

leothedino wrote: »

@MornaBaine just a heads up, I have posted this on the TESO-RP forums and our EU Stormhaven RP forums asking them to come and comment, show their support and keep this thread moving. If anybody else is going to rise up like a phoenix on fire, it's the RPers. This needs sorting out, I am astonished it was allowed to happen in the first place. Actually shocked!

I'm not. This game is a disgraceful, bug-riddled, unpolished sloppy mess. I have almost no faith in this developer. They don't fix old bugs, then release new content which just compounds on those bugs. Zenimax comes off as nothing but blatantly incompetent and I just have absolutely no faith or confidence in them at all.

That said for what I do in the game...99% of the time it's okay. Except when it's not, because quests bug out and such...

I only play because people like @MornaBaine are freaking awesome. If this game didn't have such an awesome roleplaying community I would drop it for FFXIV:ARR instantly. It's a far better, more polished, bug free incredible game with awesome in-depth player housing and much more.

DaniAngione

notimetocare wrote: »

Robes showing boob form? Sure... but have you ever seen leather/chain armor? It is not form fitting... these erotic fantasy armors get a bit old...

Exactly... There's certainly a lot of armor, costumes and clothes that needs fixing or a rework... But I also see a lot of "complaints" that are actually asking for "super boob plates" or less "plain" heavy or medium armor in females... Seriously, they certainly never seen any armor.
You can barely tell the gender of someone under a suit of armor.
There's a lot of free-to-play asian MMOs out there if you want to fight in a metal bikini, lol. Not only unrealistic and stupid, it's a fruit of our extremely sexist and misogynistic society. People should fight these things, not ask for them. But hey, this is the internet, so...

Ravinsild

DaniAngione wrote: »

notimetocare wrote: »

Robes showing boob form? Sure... but have you ever seen leather/chain armor? It is not form fitting... these erotic fantasy armors get a bit old...

Exactly... There's certainly a lot of armor, costumes and clothes that needs fixing or a rework... But I also see a lot of "complaints" that are actually asking for "super boob plates" or less "plain" heavy or medium armor in females... Seriously, they certainly never seen any armor.
You can barely tell the gender of someone under a suit of armor.
There's a lot of free-to-play asian MMOs out there if you want to fight in a metal bikini, lol. Not only unrealistic and stupid, it's a fruit of our extremely sexist and misogynistic society. People should fight these things, not ask for them. But hey, this is the internet, so...

So I guess women asking for it is internalized misogyny and they have been brainwashed by the patriarchy to loathe themselves and see themselves only as sexual objects for men's pleasure? Rather than having their own opinion about their own sense of fashion, and wishing to see that reflected in game in a way that backs up their playstyle choice such as tank?

I don't know if you've noticed but girls like to dress up and feel sexy, so dressing up and feeling sexy as a blood-thristy barbarian chick may be a woman's fantasy as much as running around shirtless with a giant sword to be "Conan" is a male power-fantasy...

Why can't women have power-fantasies too?

Emma_Overload

I'm really shocked that DB was released without addressing these issues.

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom , could you please update us on what ZOS is doing to fix the female armors?

FloppyTouch

babylon wrote: »

Maybe they could get us all to wear cardboard boxes as armour...that should be easy enough for the texture map guy to do.

Just saying I would buy this if it was in crown store...

MornaBaine

NBrookus wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

NBrookus wrote: »

FWIW, my male templar in a trinimac chest has boobs. Not pecs... boobs. So it's not just default male, it's screwy models altogether.

Could you possibly screenshot that here? They have looked at this thread before for documentation of which armors are affected and this sounds like a new problem actually so a pic would be really helpful.

It's not as bad as the bloated torsos, but it's not good.

Oh wow. That's reallllly bad. Here I was under the impression that these armors were just distorted on female characters adn then I see THIS. Color me horrified. @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ....some information on this PLEASE????

shirozashikiub17_ESO

I agree. This is one thing I always changed in TES through the use of mods. ESO actually had this right before they got lazy.

CherryCake

I love it how they said they are aware and try to fix it...oh well, lets wait another few years xD

MornaBaine

I'm still trying to figure out what happened and when. Armors used to fit perfectly in this game. The old ones still do. Why are the newer ones so terrible?

Eugenstash

Bumping this thread as it needs to remain in the top. I find it inexscusable that some of these armor motifs/armors are the end result of a "finished product". Bug or not (I think this was intentional on their part to cut down on development time), this should be reversed/fixed. I mean how many corners can you cut? Isn't that what has caused your bug reports to be longer than a senate bill? Impressed yet again.

AlienSlof

I'd like to add to this in regards to male and female versions:

On the PTS is this:



A clear male and female version. The pirate outfits work the same way.

Why then, can't our menfolk have the harem outfits topless? I saw a group of dancers wearing them while doing a DB quest and the males were topless with just the harem pants on. Why leave the 'bra' tops on for the male fitting then? They'd look so much better without. The wood elf outfits would work like that too, like a little kilt. Men don't need 'boob holders'!

Surely it would be way simpler to just remove the top than to reshape it?

KonradK77

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'd like to add to this in regards to male and female versions:

On the PTS is this:



A clear male and female version. The pirate outfits work the same way.

Why then, can't our menfolk have the harem outfits topless? I saw a group of dancers wearing them while doing a DB quest and the males were topless with just the harem pants on. Why leave the 'bra' tops on for the male fitting then? They'd look so much better without. The wood elf outfits would work like that too, like a little kilt. Men don't need 'boob holders'!

Surely it would be way simpler to just remove the top than to reshape it?

Great looking stuff, is that the new shaman outfit that's going to be available in the crown store?

AlienSlof

Yes it is - currently not dyable, but perhaps it isn't finished yet.

MornaBaine

I would kill for this costume without the pointless, bulky and weird arm "armor."

raffael.geislerb16_ESO

MornaBaine wrote: »

It wasn't just overlooked. It was a conscious design choice to no longer make female character model armor. @ZOS_GinaBruno actually mentioned it on an ESO Live. WHY they decided to cut corners here is a mystery to me. Is the game REALLY doing that poorly financially? Regardless of the reasons, it is a terrible decision and one that was made ON PURPOSE.

There was also a link to that ESO Live episode somewhere in this topic. Basically ZOS stopped making female armour and simply made some modifications to the male form to put it on female characters. Results look awful even without the bloated torso bug.



Left image shows my character in Bosmer leather armour which matches her look very well. Right shows her in Sithis' Jack leather armour from the Sithis' Touch set*. Images are from the character screen to ensure identical camera position.
Note how Sithis' Jack changes her appearance because its base male form cannot properly adapt to the more complex female shape. The chest area is moved up and her breasts are shrinked to some blocky little thing.

With all the effort put into the beautiful terrain and interiors, why are the characters we play treated so bad? Armours look like crap, or worse, transform the character to achieve a certain look and fail instead of adding something awesome to what we created in the editor. Needless to say, but I won't waste time or money on those motifs. This has to be fixed. Make gear to fit our characters, instead of fitting our characters into your gear. And make gear look good on every character again!

(*) I don't know what style this is but I assume it to be from the Dark Brotherhood DLC styles, since it was awarded for completing one of its quests.

MornaBaine

raffael.geislerb16_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

It wasn't just overlooked. It was a conscious design choice to no longer make female character model armor. @ZOS_GinaBruno actually mentioned it on an ESO Live. WHY they decided to cut corners here is a mystery to me. Is the game REALLY doing that poorly financially? Regardless of the reasons, it is a terrible decision and one that was made ON PURPOSE.

There was also a link to that ESO Live episode somewhere in this topic. Basically ZOS stopped making female armour and simply made some modifications to the male form to put it on female characters. Results look awful even without the bloated torso bug.



Left image shows my character in Bosmer leather armour which matches her look very well. Right shows her in Sithis' Jack leather armour from the Sithis' Touch set*. Images are from the character screen to ensure identical camera position.
Note how Sithis' Jack changes her appearance because its base male form cannot properly adapt to the more complex female shape. The chest area is moved up and her breasts are shrinked to some blocky little thing.

With all the effort put into the beautiful terrain and interiors, why are the characters we play treated so bad? Armours look like crap, or worse, transform the character to achieve a certain look and fail instead of adding something awesome to what we created in the editor. Needless to say, but I won't waste time or money on those motifs. This has to be fixed. Make gear to fit our characters, instead of fitting our characters into your gear. And make gear look good on every character again!

(*) I don't know what style this is but I assume it to be from the Dark Brotherhood DLC styles, since it was awarded for completing one of its quests.

I am a little flabbergasted that after the initial official response this thread received it's since been ignored and there are STILL countless armors in the game that suffer from really bad distortion (some of them even on males!)and there has been no official response explaining what they are doing about this. I'm just...incredibly disappointed.

Abeille

I would like to point out that the three female Breton outilfits still use deformed male chests instead of female chests.

Abeille

Here:




I call it "The Great Breton Uniboob".

Elven Hero Armor and Whisperwelft Gala Wear outfits used for comparison.

I didn't take pics of the Off-The-Shoulder Evening Dress, but it has the same problem, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom . I admit that I was more worried about showing the issue on the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown because it already left the Crown Store, and I worried that because you guys are not selling it anymore that it won't be fixed. It is by far my favorite dress on the PTS, it looks amazing depending on the dyes, I just wish this would be fixed

Edited: Fixed the pic.

Ravinsild

Abeille wrote: »

Here:




I call it "The Great Breton Uniboob".

Elven Hero Armor and Whisperwelft Gala Wear outfits used for comparison.

I didn't take pics of the Off-The-Shoulder Evening Dress, but it has the same problem, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom . I admit that I was more worried about showing the issue on the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown because it already left the Crown Store, and I worried that because you guys are not selling it anymore that it won't be fixed. It is by far my favorite dress on the PTS, it looks amazing depending on the dyes, I just wish this would be fixed

Edited: Fixed the pic.

You think I haven't notice this breast flattening as a huge breast lover? They've deleted any cleavage no matter the boob slider for some weird reason I don't understand.

Korah_Eaglecry

MornaBaine wrote: »

raffael.geislerb16_ESO wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

It wasn't just overlooked. It was a conscious design choice to no longer make female character model armor. @ZOS_GinaBruno actually mentioned it on an ESO Live. WHY they decided to cut corners here is a mystery to me. Is the game REALLY doing that poorly financially? Regardless of the reasons, it is a terrible decision and one that was made ON PURPOSE.

There was also a link to that ESO Live episode somewhere in this topic. Basically ZOS stopped making female armour and simply made some modifications to the male form to put it on female characters. Results look awful even without the bloated torso bug.



Left image shows my character in Bosmer leather armour which matches her look very well. Right shows her in Sithis' Jack leather armour from the Sithis' Touch set*. Images are from the character screen to ensure identical camera position.
Note how Sithis' Jack changes her appearance because its base male form cannot properly adapt to the more complex female shape. The chest area is moved up and her breasts are shrinked to some blocky little thing.

With all the effort put into the beautiful terrain and interiors, why are the characters we play treated so bad? Armours look like crap, or worse, transform the character to achieve a certain look and fail instead of adding something awesome to what we created in the editor. Needless to say, but I won't waste time or money on those motifs. This has to be fixed. Make gear to fit our characters, instead of fitting our characters into your gear. And make gear look good on every character again!

(*) I don't know what style this is but I assume it to be from the Dark Brotherhood DLC styles, since it was awarded for completing one of its quests.

I am a little flabbergasted that after the initial official response this thread received it's since been ignored and there are STILL countless armors in the game that suffer from really bad distortion (some of them even on males!)and there has been no official response explaining what they are doing about this. I'm just...incredibly disappointed.

Thats all they have to do to pacify a lot of people on here. As much as I loathe the Small Scale PvP crowd for their behavior. At least theyre continuing to make a fuss until they get what they want. And apparently its working.

MornaBaine

Abeille wrote: »

Here:




I call it "The Great Breton Uniboob".

Elven Hero Armor and Whisperwelft Gala Wear outfits used for comparison.

I didn't take pics of the Off-The-Shoulder Evening Dress, but it has the same problem, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom . I admit that I was more worried about showing the issue on the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown because it already left the Crown Store, and I worried that because you guys are not selling it anymore that it won't be fixed. It is by far my favorite dress on the PTS, it looks amazing depending on the dyes, I just wish this would be fixed

Edited: Fixed the pic.

Wow you can really see it in those comparison pics. It's also weird how WIDE they make the torso look when you are looking at them straight on. Totally bizarre.

Also, forgot to mention, but a huge YES to getting the harem pants for males WITHOUT any corresponding top!

Abeille

MornaBaine wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Here:




I call it "The Great Breton Uniboob".

Elven Hero Armor and Whisperwelft Gala Wear outfits used for comparison.

I didn't take pics of the Off-The-Shoulder Evening Dress, but it has the same problem, @ZOS_JessicaFolsom . I admit that I was more worried about showing the issue on the High-Collared Coin Ball Gown because it already left the Crown Store, and I worried that because you guys are not selling it anymore that it won't be fixed. It is by far my favorite dress on the PTS, it looks amazing depending on the dyes, I just wish this would be fixed

Edited: Fixed the pic.

Wow you can really see it in those comparison pics. It's also weird how WIDE they make the torso look when you are looking at them straight on. Totally bizarre.

Also, forgot to mention, but a huge YES to getting the harem pants for males WITHOUT any corresponding top!

I used an appearance change token to put the chest slider on the max to make the difference more obvious on the pics. On smaller chested characters, it is not that obvious, but it is still noticeable.

And I completely agree. Remove the top on the Redguard outfits for males, like those npcs that dance inside the Chapel of Dibella in Anvil.

CherryCake

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'd like to add to this in regards to male and female versions:

On the PTS is this:



A clear male and female version. The pirate outfits work the same way.

Why then, can't our menfolk have the harem outfits topless? I saw a group of dancers wearing them while doing a DB quest and the males were topless with just the harem pants on. Why leave the 'bra' tops on for the male fitting then? They'd look so much better without. The wood elf outfits would work like that too, like a little kilt. Men don't need 'boob holders'!

Surely it would be way simpler to just remove the top than to reshape it?

Oh my oh my what is that? Will it be a costume in the crown store or a motif?
And yes ZOS for fashions sake, remove that ridiculous looking armor ;____;

Lysette

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'd like to add to this in regards to male and female versions:

On the PTS is this:



A clear male and female version. The pirate outfits work the same way.

Why then, can't our menfolk have the harem outfits topless? I saw a group of dancers wearing them while doing a DB quest and the males were topless with just the harem pants on. Why leave the 'bra' tops on for the male fitting then? They'd look so much better without. The wood elf outfits would work like that too, like a little kilt. Men don't need 'boob holders'!

Surely it would be way simpler to just remove the top than to reshape it?

Yeah, i would love this - the grahtwood climber outfit without the top would be ideal for a somewhat civilized tribal male.

Crica

MornaBaine wrote: »

I would kill for this costume without the pointless, bulky and weird arm "armor."

erm, are the male tattoos part of the outfit or are they a new body art? if they are part of the outfit, the female should have tattoos too!

AlienSlof

The male tattoos are body art that work for both genders. He just happened to be wearing it at the time I took the pic. I just wanted to show that male versions don't need a 'bra' arrangement on them, so why has it been left on for some outfits that would otherwise work well without.

Also, I've converted a lot of modded outfits to and from male and female, and did a significantly more accurate and better job of them than I'm seeing here. They need some better 3d 'poly pushers' in their studio.

MornaBaine

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'd like to add to this in regards to male and female versions:

On the PTS is this:



A clear male and female version. The pirate outfits work the same way.

Why then, can't our menfolk have the harem outfits topless? I saw a group of dancers wearing them while doing a DB quest and the males were topless with just the harem pants on. Why leave the 'bra' tops on for the male fitting then? They'd look so much better without. The wood elf outfits would work like that too, like a little kilt. Men don't need 'boob holders'!

Surely it would be way simpler to just remove the top than to reshape it?

Oh my oh my what is that? Will it be a costume in the crown store or a motif?
And yes ZOS for fashions sake, remove that ridiculous looking armor ;____;

Right? I really don't understand why it's there (the arm armor) as it's clearly completely pointless. And especially the armor on the forearm is really bad. Something more like jewelry would be cool but this huge bulky weirdness is completely incongruous. Please make it go away before you release this outfit ZOS.

CherryCake

MornaBaine wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'd like to add to this in regards to male and female versions:

On the PTS is this:



A clear male and female version. The pirate outfits work the same way.

Why then, can't our menfolk have the harem outfits topless? I saw a group of dancers wearing them while doing a DB quest and the males were topless with just the harem pants on. Why leave the 'bra' tops on for the male fitting then? They'd look so much better without. The wood elf outfits would work like that too, like a little kilt. Men don't need 'boob holders'!

Surely it would be way simpler to just remove the top than to reshape it?

Oh my oh my what is that? Will it be a costume in the crown store or a motif?
And yes ZOS for fashions sake, remove that ridiculous looking armor ;____;

Right? I really don't understand why it's there (the arm armor) as it's clearly completely pointless. And especially the armor on the forearm is really bad. Something more like jewelry would be cool but this huge bulky weirdness is completely incongruous. Please make it go away before you release this outfit ZOS.

It clearly doesnt fit... like seriously for "arm protection"? The rest of the body is naked!!! xD it looks so out of place and it destroys an outfit that would look so nice for once!

RoyalPink06

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

AtraisMachina wrote: »

Wow thats ridiculous. Though i do like my trinimac armor

The trinimac looks fantastic....on male characters.

actually i disagree. just made this today and was so disappointed. i couldnt use it this character is slim but muscular, and this just makes him look bulky. and the floating hip guards just make it so much worse.

@NBrookus and @MornaBaine

I had the EXACT same issue with trini on my male Templar. Simply atrocious.