IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

MornaBaine

So am I the only one who sees that once again they've taken something awesome but completely destroyed it for the female figure? Why does the girl in this picture just look like a skinny boy? @ZOS_DaryaK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom do you have ANY info on why this is happening????

CokeVoAYCE

MornaBaine wrote: »

So am I the only one who sees that once again they've taken something awesome but completely destroyed it for the female figure? Why does the girl in this picture just look like a skinny boy? @ZOS_DaryaK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom do you have ANY info on why this is happening????

that's nothing. look how sexy my stamblade became.

before:

after:

thanks for continuing to disappoint your female base and your cross-dressing male base.

notimetocare

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

So am I the only one who sees that once again they've taken something awesome but completely destroyed it for the female figure? Why does the girl in this picture just look like a skinny boy? @ZOS_DaryaK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom do you have ANY info on why this is happening????

that's nothing. look how sexy my stamblade became.

before:

after:

thanks for continuing to disappoint your female base and your cross-dressing male base.

Welcome to what the gameplay player base has dealt with since beta.

MornaBaine

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

So am I the only one who sees that once again they've taken something awesome but completely destroyed it for the female figure? Why does the girl in this picture just look like a skinny boy? @ZOS_DaryaK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom do you have ANY info on why this is happening????

that's nothing. look how sexy my stamblade became.

before:

after:

thanks for continuing to disappoint your female base and your cross-dressing male base.

I REALLY don't understand what's going on here. We're told officially by @ZOS_JessicaFolsom that this bizarre bulkiness is NOT INTENDED and that they are fixing it. Indeed, they have fixed the Trinimac light robe at least. But then not another peep regarding this issue and NEW stuff keeps coming out with the SAME bizarre problem. I would really love to know what's going on and why this is still happening. I am completely baffled.

CokeVoAYCE

MornaBaine wrote: »

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

So am I the only one who sees that once again they've taken something awesome but completely destroyed it for the female figure? Why does the girl in this picture just look like a skinny boy? @ZOS_DaryaK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom do you have ANY info on why this is happening????

that's nothing. look how sexy my stamblade became.

before:

after:

thanks for continuing to disappoint your female base and your cross-dressing male base.

I REALLY don't understand what's going on here. We're told officially by @ZOS_JessicaFolsom that this bizarre bulkiness is NOT INTENDED and that they are fixing it. Indeed, they have fixed the Trinimac light robe at least. But then not another peep regarding this issue and NEW stuff keeps coming out with the SAME bizarre problem. I would really love to know what's going on and why this is still happening. I am completely baffled.

it's really quite simple what's going on. the message is clear: ZOS doesn't care about the issue with their armors. they prefer saving money. if they really cared and wanted to solve these issues for good, they would just roll back out male models for male characters and female models for female characters.

what ZOS instead decided to do was a dirty trick right in front of us. we pointed out a problem and they acknowledged it. they said they would fix it, but never really planned to. it was mainly intended mainly as their PR statement, and then decided to only fix one or two armors and hope that this issue was just brushed under the rug.

i'm disappointed at their lies and dirty tricks. if i were you, i would re-edit that front page, because currently it seems like you're commended ZOS's actions and to any new viewer of the thread they might think the issue was already solved.

now, the only justification i could find for actions like this would be if ZOS were truly unable to financially handle making both male and female armor models. but i will never believe ZOS doesn't have enough money to do it until i see a release of their financial records. right now i just think they're being cheap.

Lysette

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'd like to add to this in regards to male and female versions:

On the PTS is this:



A clear male and female version. The pirate outfits work the same way.

Why then, can't our menfolk have the harem outfits topless? I saw a group of dancers wearing them while doing a DB quest and the males were topless with just the harem pants on. Why leave the 'bra' tops on for the male fitting then? They'd look so much better without. The wood elf outfits would work like that too, like a little kilt. Men don't need 'boob holders'!

Surely it would be way simpler to just remove the top than to reshape it?

Oh my oh my what is that? Will it be a costume in the crown store or a motif?
And yes ZOS for fashions sake, remove that ridiculous looking armor ;____;

Right? I really don't understand why it's there (the arm armor) as it's clearly completely pointless. And especially the armor on the forearm is really bad. Something more like jewelry would be cool but this huge bulky weirdness is completely incongruous. Please make it go away before you release this outfit ZOS.

It clearly doesnt fit... like seriously for "arm protection"? The rest of the body is naked!!! xD it looks so out of place and it destroys an outfit that would look so nice for once!

Well, taste is not their strength, that is pretty clear - like with the treehan dress - if something is to be exposed like this, it has to be done right, with a low rise lower part, that the waist-hip ratio gets into focus for effect - but like it is, too high rise, the effect is void and it looks just weird. Hats - next thing what has no taste - a grey hat - wtf - it goes with pretty much nothing, because there is no color repetition match - and the kiss-me-not, who wants to wear something like this?-

I would like to buy something nice, but there is nothing on the crown store, what I would not have already. So many things are just weird lately - once you have a closer look at them.

Lysette

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

So am I the only one who sees that once again they've taken something awesome but completely destroyed it for the female figure? Why does the girl in this picture just look like a skinny boy? @ZOS_DaryaK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom do you have ANY info on why this is happening????

that's nothing. look how sexy my stamblade became.

before:

after:

thanks for continuing to disappoint your female base and your cross-dressing male base.

I REALLY don't understand what's going on here. We're told officially by @ZOS_JessicaFolsom that this bizarre bulkiness is NOT INTENDED and that they are fixing it. Indeed, they have fixed the Trinimac light robe at least. But then not another peep regarding this issue and NEW stuff keeps coming out with the SAME bizarre problem. I would really love to know what's going on and why this is still happening. I am completely baffled.

it's really quite simple what's going on. the message is clear: ZOS doesn't care about the issue with their armors. they prefer saving money. if they really cared and wanted to solve these issues for good, they would just roll back out male models for male characters and female models for female characters.

what ZOS instead decided to do was a dirty trick right in front of us. we pointed out a problem and they acknowledged it. they said they would fix it, but never really planned to. it was mainly intended mainly as their PR statement, and then decided to only fix one or two armors and hope that this issue was just brushed under the rug.

i'm disappointed at their lies and dirty tricks. if i were you, i would re-edit that front page, because currently it seems like you're commended ZOS's actions and to any new viewer of the thread they might think the issue was already solved.

now, the only justification i could find for actions like this would be if ZOS were truly unable to financially handle making both male and female armor models. but i will never believe ZOS doesn't have enough money to do it until i see a release of their financial records. right now i just think they're being cheap.

Not able to handle it - not wanting to is what it is - I have seen much better work from bloody amateurs in second life, not to talk about the many professionals there. Stuff like ZOS is producing here would have to be put on sale for 20L$ - trash price - so bad it is sometimes compare to Second Life fashion. There I could buy 3-5 high quality outfits with all colors and several versions and assessoires, a couple of matching shoes - for the price what ZOS wants for one crappy outfit.

MornaBaine

Lysette wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'd like to add to this in regards to male and female versions:

On the PTS is this:



A clear male and female version. The pirate outfits work the same way.

Why then, can't our menfolk have the harem outfits topless? I saw a group of dancers wearing them while doing a DB quest and the males were topless with just the harem pants on. Why leave the 'bra' tops on for the male fitting then? They'd look so much better without. The wood elf outfits would work like that too, like a little kilt. Men don't need 'boob holders'!

Surely it would be way simpler to just remove the top than to reshape it?

Oh my oh my what is that? Will it be a costume in the crown store or a motif?
And yes ZOS for fashions sake, remove that ridiculous looking armor ;____;

Right? I really don't understand why it's there (the arm armor) as it's clearly completely pointless. And especially the armor on the forearm is really bad. Something more like jewelry would be cool but this huge bulky weirdness is completely incongruous. Please make it go away before you release this outfit ZOS.

It clearly doesnt fit... like seriously for "arm protection"? The rest of the body is naked!!! xD it looks so out of place and it destroys an outfit that would look so nice for once!

Well, taste is not their strength, that is pretty clear - like with the treehan dress - if something is to be exposed like this, it has to be done right, with a low rise lower part, that the waist-hip ratio gets into focus for effect - but like it is, too high rise, the effect is void and it looks just weird. Hats - next thing what has no taste - a grey hat - wtf - it goes with pretty much nothing, because there is no color repetition match - and the kiss-me-not, who wants to wear something like this?-

I would like to buy something nice, but there is nothing on the crown store, what I would not have already. So many things are just weird lately - once you have a closer look at them.

Well at least we are getting the ability to dye costumes in August, including the hats. So that's awesome and will make me far more likely to buy costumes.... provided they quit putting out costumes that utterly distort my characters' body shapes.

Abeille

Lysette wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

AlienSlof wrote: »

I'd like to add to this in regards to male and female versions:

On the PTS is this:



A clear male and female version. The pirate outfits work the same way.

Why then, can't our menfolk have the harem outfits topless? I saw a group of dancers wearing them while doing a DB quest and the males were topless with just the harem pants on. Why leave the 'bra' tops on for the male fitting then? They'd look so much better without. The wood elf outfits would work like that too, like a little kilt. Men don't need 'boob holders'!

Surely it would be way simpler to just remove the top than to reshape it?

Oh my oh my what is that? Will it be a costume in the crown store or a motif?
And yes ZOS for fashions sake, remove that ridiculous looking armor ;____;

Right? I really don't understand why it's there (the arm armor) as it's clearly completely pointless. And especially the armor on the forearm is really bad. Something more like jewelry would be cool but this huge bulky weirdness is completely incongruous. Please make it go away before you release this outfit ZOS.

It clearly doesnt fit... like seriously for "arm protection"? The rest of the body is naked!!! xD it looks so out of place and it destroys an outfit that would look so nice for once!

Well, taste is not their strength, that is pretty clear - like with the treehan dress - if something is to be exposed like this, it has to be done right, with a low rise lower part, that the waist-hip ratio gets into focus for effect - but like it is, too high rise, the effect is void and it looks just weird. Hats - next thing what has no taste - a grey hat - wtf - it goes with pretty much nothing, because there is no color repetition match - and the kiss-me-not, who wants to wear something like this?-

I would like to buy something nice, but there is nothing on the crown store, what I would not have already. So many things are just weird lately - once you have a closer look at them.

The colorless hat is a pretty scummy way to make people who buy it pretty much HAVE to dye it. And since you can only dye something if you are a subscriber or if you buy Dye Stamps from the Crown Store, well...

I completely disagree regarding the Kiss-Me-Not hat, though. While it doesn't fit my Bosmer in particular, it can fit people who have a Bosmer that is truly devoted to Z'en. It is somehow threatening and I do not find it particularly ugly, it is just a different style.

AtmaDarkwolf

you all keep buying the costumes, they keep putting new ones in. fixing old issues is NOT profitable because its already 'sold and gone'

Sure you can complain about it to them, but sadly, its so very far down the list (esp with new/upcoming cash grabs...er...dlc's coming) i doubt it'll ever get fixed (And if it does get fixed, it won't be timely, as one can already see with the length of this thread)

I am truly surprised they haven't found an excuse to close the thread tbh.

Xeroxed

I already used the in game feedback (though I think I forgot to mention it's the medium belt, oops), but behold, yet another piece of armor that has clipping/collision issues:




That's the medium Briarheart Belt clipping straight through the bottom of my Heavy Ancient Orc Chestpiece.

Most vexing because that piece of the set was the most aesthetically pleasing to me otherwise as far as mix and matching styles. Had to use medium pants from that set which takes a chunk out of my armor. Bleh. Should probably have different clothes for RP versus gameplay but taking stuff on and off is a chore. ESO needs an "outfit" system or something. XD

P.S. Dwemer shield dye is still weaksauce, barely visible.

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Thank you for all the feedback and screenshot examples. There are a couple different types of issues we're looking at right now. One is the issue that this thread was created for - the way some armor sets look on certain character models, particularly the female chest area, but not limited to just that.

We went through this thread and pulled all the examples of that specific issue. Here's what we have so far (in no specific order):

• Trinimac's Valor set
• Alliance Armor sets
• Malacath Armor
• Ancient Elf
• Ancient Orc
• Phoenix set
• Meritorious Service set
• Marksman's Crest set
• Vicious Death set
• Warrior's Fury set
• Bahraha's Curse set
• Syvarra's Scales set

We're also looking at your reports of armor pieces that have issues with clipping or floating, or can't be dyed. These specific items or armor sets were called out for having clipping issues, floating pieces, and/or undyeable pieces:

• Soul Shriven Belt (undyeable)
• Malacath Heavy helmet (removing hair)
• Malacath Shield (undyeable)
• Malacath Light Chest (hole in torso that looks like texture is missing)
• Trinimac's Valor Light Shoulders (undyeable unless helmet is hidden, then they appear normal)
• Abah's Watch Medium Armor (clipping when mixed with any other style; shoulder protection is floating on character model)
• Certain armor chest pieces with tabards (Trinimac's Valor heavy, Abah's Watch heavy, Alliance Armor sets, Mercenary)

Let us know if you encounter any others! (And please be sure to /bug them in-game, too.)

Triddle

CokeVoAYCE wrote: »

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that's nothing. look how sexy my stamblade became.

before:

after:

thanks for continuing to disappoint your female base and your cross-dressing male base.

I actually think the second image is a big improvement on the first one in this case. A really very vast improvement.

That's just me though. I really enjoy having some elements of realism in games, just little things here and there. I'd love it, for example, if developers considered how people might actually use swords and shields and the like to fight with each other, rather than the 'face each other and spasm about' approach universally applied in video games. But I'm not super pedantic, I can live with my characters seeming to believe that their shield is primarily for show, and confusing their swords with the batons from dance class, but the boob plates are just too ridiculous to take seriously, there's no respite from the silliness of goofy looking armour.

All of this is not to say though that I like the apparent design approach applied to arrive at this likeable result. Clearly the same does not apply to light armour, but let's not throw out the baby with the bathwater... ZOS can learn something from armour sets like the second one pictured and continue to offer its like while also offering form fitting options, and in particular, addressing the puffer-jacket-under-robe look of light armour.

Kalante

Obviously ZoS is keeping the females the same because there is not enough people that care. You are all wasting your time just like PvP people asking for fixes to fix cyrodiil the past two years. ZoS does not have a long term vision they just care about milking as much money before content runs out. All this new stuff that has been coming out was already planned in 2014. I dont think there is nothing more past 2017 much less 2018.

Abeille

Kalante wrote: »

Obviously ZoS is keeping the females the same because there is not enough people that care. You are all wasting your time just like PvP people asking for fixes to fix cyrodiil the past two years. ZoS does not have a long term vision they just care about milking as much money before content runs out. All this new stuff that has been coming out was already planned in 2014. I dont thing there is nothing more past 2017 much less 2018.

Actually ZOS fixed a couple of armors based on the feedback, like the Trinimac light chest.

MornaBaine

Abeille wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Obviously ZoS is keeping the females the same because there is not enough people that care. You are all wasting your time just like PvP people asking for fixes to fix cyrodiil the past two years. ZoS does not have a long term vision they just care about milking as much money before content runs out. All this new stuff that has been coming out was already planned in 2014. I dont thing there is nothing more past 2017 much less 2018.

Actually ZOS fixed a couple of armors based on the feedback, like the Trinimac light chest.

But they seem to have touched nothing else and they refuse to comment about what they are doing as far as fixes go. They didn't even announce that they HAD fixed the Trinimac. Which seems really weird to me. I'd like a listing of everything they think they have fixed and the order in which they are goig to fix the rest. I suppose an ETA would be asking too much though. But SOMETHING ZOS.... throw us a bone!

Abeille

MornaBaine wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Obviously ZoS is keeping the females the same because there is not enough people that care. You are all wasting your time just like PvP people asking for fixes to fix cyrodiil the past two years. ZoS does not have a long term vision they just care about milking as much money before content runs out. All this new stuff that has been coming out was already planned in 2014. I dont thing there is nothing more past 2017 much less 2018.

Actually ZOS fixed a couple of armors based on the feedback, like the Trinimac light chest.

But they seem to have touched nothing else and they refuse to comment about what they are doing as far as fixes go. They didn't even announce that they HAD fixed the Trinimac. Which seems really weird to me. I'd like a listing of everything they think they have fixed and the order in which they are goig to fix the rest. I suppose an ETA would be asking too much though. But SOMETHING ZOS.... throw us a bone!

The other stuff they fixed were some deformation problems on chests on the Redguard outfits. You know that "monoboob" effect the Breton outfits have? The Reguard outfits were released with it too, but it was fixed after we complained a lot. They still make my characters' breasts look bigger, but at least they don't look like a deformed male chest like before. And shoes clipping with Khajiit and Argonian claws on female outfits, too. True, it is not a lot, but I think it is unfair to say that we are wasting our time and that they are not ever fixing anything. But yeah, I agree that they should announce when they fix one of those things so that people don't have the impression that they never fix stuff based on feedback. Doing it so quietly actually damages their image in my opinion.

MornaBaine

Abeille wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Obviously ZoS is keeping the females the same because there is not enough people that care. You are all wasting your time just like PvP people asking for fixes to fix cyrodiil the past two years. ZoS does not have a long term vision they just care about milking as much money before content runs out. All this new stuff that has been coming out was already planned in 2014. I dont thing there is nothing more past 2017 much less 2018.

Actually ZOS fixed a couple of armors based on the feedback, like the Trinimac light chest.

But they seem to have touched nothing else and they refuse to comment about what they are doing as far as fixes go. They didn't even announce that they HAD fixed the Trinimac. Which seems really weird to me. I'd like a listing of everything they think they have fixed and the order in which they are goig to fix the rest. I suppose an ETA would be asking too much though. But SOMETHING ZOS.... throw us a bone!

The other stuff they fixed were some deformation problems on chests on the Redguard outfits. You know that "monoboob" effect the Breton outfits have? The Reguard outfits were released with it too, but it was fixed after we complained a lot. They still make my characters' breasts look bigger, but at least they don't look like a deformed male chest like before. And shoes clipping with Khajiit and Argonian claws on female outfits, too. True, it is not a lot, but I think it is unfair to say that we are wasting our time and that they are not ever fixing anything. But yeah, I agree that they should announce when they fix one of those things so that people don't have the impression that they never fix stuff based on feedback. Doing it so quietly actually damages their image in my opinion.

Exactly right. Sometimes they need to toot their own horn or seem completely apathetic.

Cazzy

Cazzy

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_GinaBruno - please, please can we have some insight on why this is happening?

josefcifkaeb17_ESO

Cazzy wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_GinaBruno - please, please can we have some insight on why this is happening?

I second that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom @ZOS_GinaBruno

MornaBaine

Cazzy wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom or @ZOS_GinaBruno - please, please can we have some insight on why this is happening?

Yes, I REALLY want to know why it's STILL happening with new armors now that they know it's a problem.

Seravi

MornaBaine wrote: »

So am I the only one who sees that once again they've taken something awesome but completely destroyed it for the female figure? Why does the girl in this picture just look like a skinny boy? @ZOS_DaryaK @ZOS_JessicaFolsom do you have ANY info on why this is happening????

I was really looking forward to this costume. If my female characters are going to look like boys then I will pass on this one.If you are going to allow female characters in the game, then the company should be prepared to make all armor and costumes FIT the female figure.

MornaBaine

OP updated with some more pics of distorted armors.

Seravi

MornaBaine wrote: »

OP updated with some more pics of distorted armors.

Thanks for updating the pics. Sigh I was looking forward to purchasing the new motifs in the Crown Store. Not wasting my money if they are going to look this bad on my characters. The DC armor is horrid!

MornaBaine

Seravi wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

OP updated with some more pics of distorted armors.

Thanks for updating the pics. Sigh I was looking forward to purchasing the new motifs in the Crown Store. Not wasting my money if they are going to look this bad on my characters. The DC armor is horrid!

Yes, all three of the faction armors suffer from TERRIBLE distortion. I have a hard time believing they've had the audacity to put the motifs for them up for sale, especially at such outrageous prices, when they are still hopelessly broken. It really makes ZOS look bad and I am astonished that they did this.

failkiwib16_ESO

They still haven't changed this poop?

I run around in bosmer style chest, it looks fine ...I don't dare to touch anything but the old blue styles for my main char >.<

MornaBaine

failkiwib16_ESO wrote: »

They still haven't changed this poop?

I run around in bosmer style chest, it looks fine ...I don't dare to touch anything but the old blue styles for my main char >.<

Yep. And they put the motifs for some of the worst ones up for sale on the Crown Store just recently. I wonder how angry people are going ot be when they see what they really look like after shelling the cash out for them.

GaldorP

This is just pure speculation, I don't have any insight into what the actual decision making process in the development team was but I can only imagine 3 possible reasons why they decided to make new armor styles different:

1. For PR reasons:
Since one of the cornerstones in ESO development is not to lower the value of the Elder Scrolls brand in any way, it could be either of the following two:
a) Ideological reasons: Someone thought the old costumes were sexist so ZOS decided to change it to something they felt was less sexist.
b) Aesthetic reasons: Someone didn't like ESO's costume/armor design style so ZOS decided to change it to something they felt looked better/more Elder Scrolls-like.

2. For (other) business reasons (to save money or get new content out faster):
The prerequisite for this is that the new simplified female armor styles save the costume designers some work.
So this would obviously reduce the amount of paid working hours per costume and allow ZOS to save some money or they could put more armor styles/costumes in the game in the same amount of time (which potentially could also create more income from crown store sales).
It's also possible that ZOS wanted to release new armor styles at a faster pace to give long-term players something to do in the game that doesn't create a power gap (new armor style motifs to farm for) but couldn't/didn't want to spend more money/time on developing new armor styles (the costume designer or designers simply couldn't make them fast enough with the old quality and ZOS didn't want to/couldn't assign new people to that task).
In either case, if it's for these reasons then ZOS basically decided to go with quantity over quality (and accepted the fact that they were going to put new armor styles into the game whose quality was inferior to the quality of the existing armor styles).

3. For technical reasons:
Having lots of different costumes and armor styles in the game could affect the game client's or the servers' performance in a negative way and the simplified armor models may simply be a measure ZOS took to limit the negative impact on the client's or the server's performance.
There could also be other more complex technical problems that come with having too many armor styles and costumes in the game and the new simplified armor styles could reduce/avoid those problems.
Edit: Or the simplified female armor gives the costume designer(s) more versatility and possibly causes less clipping problems.

(4. Any combination of 1-3).

As to why they're sticking to the new armor styles: They're probably just sticking to them because of reasons 1, 2, or 3 and are hoping that the protest will quiet down over time and that the player base will eventually learn to accept the change or forget about it.
OR future armor styles will be like the original ones again but at this point they don't want to invest the money/time needed into changing existing armor styles (too much work time that's better spent on developing new content/designing new armor styles instead from a business perspective).

ListerJMC

I took some screenshots of the Alliance styles from the Crown Store preview screen to show some of the weird distortions that happen.

Dominion (light, medium, heavy x2)
The light armor's shape kind of works due to the design; the medium gives a bit of a balloon chest; and the heavy style, as I've posted about earlier in this thread, is awful and makes my character look really weird:


As I've now found out, the Dominion heavy armor makes male characters look huge too:



Pact (heavy, medium, light x2)
The heavy armor makes my waist smaller for some reason, and then the balloon chest kicks in with the other two armor weights:


Covenant (light, medium, heavy x2)
I think the heavy is quite nice; the medium is a little balloon-y but I think it kind of works due to the design; and I think the light armor looks really, really bad (also posted in the OP):


I'm not sure why these weren't fixed before they went on sale, especially for that much money.

Cazzy

@MornaBaine when was the last time you heard from Jessica about them changing it? Are we due an update?