IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

Lysette

Yes, the new hero costume is an example for that such an outfit can as well be horribly distorted on a male character as well. Male characters get so wide with it, they look extremely obese with it - among the many other flaws of this costume.

Lysette

Hm, "Beards will no longer display on helmets." in the patch notes - does this mean my imperial will not have a mustache anymore when he is wearing his helmet? Or is a mustache not considered to be a beard? This would be pretty weird, a mustache or a beard is a defining attribute of a male face - I do not want him to be totally shaved. He would loose a lot when not having this mustache.

Lifell

Wow, what an coincidence... I have a female character and I've been trying to find out what outfits I want for her later on. I've been playing for ages and I never really got to high lvl. I've been working on crafting and all that stuff and I do have some rare motfs lying around that I can't use yet.

So I went to some site (http://eso-fashion.com/) to check what would be nice later on and there isn't anything I really like. Also a lot because of this issue. If I can be a *** on this though. I think female clothing/armor could be a little bit more "showing" than we have now. No, I'm not talking about Japanese skimpy style. There is no armor at higher levels that shows anything. With medium I can understand that having your arms a bit more free of cloth can be nice for movement. Same for light. All "realistic" stuff aside though, why isn't there a outfit that feels practical for a rogue or a mage? It all looks so stiff or something =/...

I also can't fathom why everything just looks kind of the same to me. Nothing feels interesting. Maybe these pictures on the site are bad examples because you can dye your armor. Armors look a lot more interesting in Morrowind in my opinion...

Lysette wrote: »

Hm, "Beards will no longer display on helmets." in the patch notes - does this mean my imperial will not have a mustache anymore when he is wearing his helmet? Or is a mustache not considered to be a beard? This would be pretty weird, a mustache or a beard is a defining attribute of a male face - I do not want him to be totally shaved. He would loose a lot when not having this mustache.

Nice character :P. Roman empire much? That's what he reminds me off. Imperial armor is based on roman empire though so far as I know.

DeadDealer

another bug to the list lol

MAN with BOOBS with new costume

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/282280/black-hand-costume-breasts-too-big

MornaBaine

DeadDealer wrote: »

another bug to the list lol

MAN with BOOBS with new costume

https://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/282280/black-hand-costume-breasts-too-big

Wow. That's pretty awful. Here's some pics from that thread:

Female



Male




So, weirdly, it's the MALE that ends up distorted with this costume rather than the female. Wow.

MornaBaine

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has there been any actual work done on this issue? We're still waiting for a list of distorted armors and costumes that have been fixed.

Abeille

MornaBaine wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has there been any actual work done on this issue? We're still waiting for a list of distorted armors and costumes that have been fixed.

I look for that on every patch notes

MornaBaine

Abeille wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has there been any actual work done on this issue? We're still waiting for a list of distorted armors and costumes that have been fixed.

I look for that on every patch notes

I don't understand why they are refusing to share this information with us honestly. It makes no sense. @ZOS_GinaBruno ? @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ? @ZOS_MattFiror ????

Elsonso

They have nothing new to say. There is no revenue benefit for them to do this. That means that if they happen to get around to it, they will get around to it.

Karius_Imalthar

I think if enough female players want changes made to their female characters then it should seriously be considered. I'm indifferent if it's just man-ginas that want smexy dungeon babes.

vyndral13preub18_ESO

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I think if enough female players want changes made to their female characters then it should seriously be considered. I'm indifferent if it's just man-ginas that want smexy dungeon babes.

Hey! We need to be pretty too!

Elsonso

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I think if enough female players want changes made to their female characters then it should seriously be considered. I'm indifferent if it's just man-ginas that want smexy dungeon babes.

Man Gina? This is a different Gina than what we see on ESO Live?

Daraugh

Ok, so Zos has stated that they're not making male and female armor styles. The Orc boob window is gone, the awesome and elegant Redguard light armor was ruined due to this decision. Along with that decision came the many badly fit armor pieces we have now. Why then does the Crown store exclusive motif have a female and a male style. The female style featuring the Orc boob window?

http://eso.mmo-fashion.com/grim-harlequin-homespun/

http://eso.mmo-fashion.com/grim-harlequin-homespun/

Meilinka

Pls make my chest look nice and not like some weird fabric mannequin.

Sincerely,
Female player

Osteos

I miss being able to see eyes through helms.

Abeille

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I think if enough female players want changes made to their female characters then it should seriously be considered. I'm indifferent if it's just man-ginas that want smexy dungeon babes.

I believe many of us here supporting this thread since the beginning are females. But I'm sure that I am not alone when I say that support is always welcome here, regardless of the gender of the player.

Atropa

Abeille wrote: »

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I think if enough female players want changes made to their female characters then it should seriously be considered. I'm indifferent if it's just man-ginas that want smexy dungeon babes.

I believe many of us here supporting this thread since the beginning are females. But I'm sure that I am not alone when I say that support is always welcome here, regardless of the gender of the player.

As a dedicated mangina, this subject is dear to my heart and I can only assume that people who complain about smexy in a fantasy game simply have too much of it in their real life.
But I digress, on to Trinimac. Fixed Trinimac?

nimander99

I'm pretty sure ZoS is against boobs... They took the boob window from orc armor. Now all the male characters appear to have boobs and the female characters are flat chested, I think we are being reassigned

MornaBaine

Atropa wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I think if enough female players want changes made to their female characters then it should seriously be considered. I'm indifferent if it's just man-ginas that want smexy dungeon babes.

I believe many of us here supporting this thread since the beginning are females. But I'm sure that I am not alone when I say that support is always welcome here, regardless of the gender of the player.

As a dedicated mangina, this subject is dear to my heart and I can only assume that people who complain about smexy in a fantasy game simply have too much of it in their real life.
But I digress, on to Trinimac. Fixed Trinimac?

Unfortunately NOT fixed anymore. Look at those ridiculous "wings" that do NOT look as it they are actually attached to the robe, not to mention they look awful anyway. When they originally fixed this robe it was one of my very favorites. Then they did THIS to it. I'm so furious I'm going to decon it. And I notice I see fewer and fewer people wearing it now. GGZOS!

Back when this was my favorite robe:

Valethar

Daraugh wrote: »

Ok, so Zos has stated that they're not making male and female armor styles. Why then does the Crown store exclusive motif have a female and a male style.

Because the Greed Collective™ can make a buck off those. There's no percentage in fixing the ones they broke.

Doing the right thing by the players isn't something in their lexicon these days. The bean counters and suits simply won't allow it.

Abeille

MornaBaine wrote: »

Atropa wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Karius_Imalthar wrote: »

I think if enough female players want changes made to their female characters then it should seriously be considered. I'm indifferent if it's just man-ginas that want smexy dungeon babes.

I believe many of us here supporting this thread since the beginning are females. But I'm sure that I am not alone when I say that support is always welcome here, regardless of the gender of the player.

As a dedicated mangina, this subject is dear to my heart and I can only assume that people who complain about smexy in a fantasy game simply have too much of it in their real life.
But I digress, on to Trinimac. Fixed Trinimac?

Unfortunately NOT fixed anymore. Look at those ridiculous "wings" that do NOT look as it they are actually attached to the robe, not to mention they look awful anyway. When they originally fixed this robe it was one of my very favorites. Then they did THIS to it. I'm so furious I'm going to decon it. And I notice I see fewer and fewer people wearing it now. GGZOS!

Back when this was my favorite robe:

[snip]

I hate that change SO MUCH!

And to think I deconned my Glass robes to replace them by the Trinimac ones after the chest was fixed, only for them to add the stupid wings to the robes!

WalksonGraves

Rip ***. Good thing I can show off my elderly woman goods in old costumes. Dat sag.

Atropa

/cry
I was just glad to find a form-fitting silk robe, you know like a SILKEN robe would fit...
And I was hoping the wings would just fall off in the first rain or demagnetize or something.
But to see pre-wing makes me sad.

LaiTash

Feels so tusking good to be an orcish tank girl after seeing all this. Us orsimer don't need boobs. We need our tusks and our shields.

bellanca6561n

Oh how well I recall the wars over this.

RIP Redguard Light....

Bye bye Orc heavy...so shocking...

All rendered moot, of course, by costumes. The boob windows returned....for a price...

We not only got boob windows but butt cheeks as well...again, for a price...

Some you can tell were rushed such as Minotaur, but the point has been made already.

In a free to play game cosmetics are you leading profit center. But to have two standards, one for the cash shop and one for players who achieve motifs though game play or through the player economy is broken by any standard

Elsonso

bellanca6561n wrote: »

In a free to play game cosmetics are you leading profit center. But to have two standards, one for the cash shop and one for players who achieve motifs though game play or through the player economy is broken by any standard

They are selling skimpy costumes for people to buy because they can, and people do. Nothing at all "broken" about it. There are not two standards, just the one.

Now, one can debate whether they changed the Redguard and Orc outfits because of the Crown Store, or whether they simply used the Crown Store to restore the skin because people complained. Personally, I don't think that the development and marketing sides of the house were really in sync until this year.

Elsonso

bellanca6561n wrote: »

In a free to play game cosmetics are you leading profit center. But to have two standards, one for the cash shop and one for players who achieve motifs though game play or through the player economy is broken by any standard

They are selling skimpy costumes for people to buy because they can, and people do. Nothing at all "broken" about it. There are not two standards, just the one.

Now, one can debate whether they changed the Redguard and Orc outfits because of the Crown Store, or whether they simply used the Crown Store to restore the skin because people complained. Personally, I don't think that the development and marketing sides of the house were really in sync until this year.

TheSeer

Tarrin wrote: »

Hey! I`m a man, and i`m playing a male character. I want to looking more manfully.

Where is my tool?

It disappeared into Oblivion like almost everything else from Nirn.

TheSeer

IrishGirlGamer wrote: »

nudel wrote: »

As my significant other so succinctly put it, "If they're not going to bother to make female armor, then why even have the female gender available in the game?"

They take the time to make new meshes accommodating Khajiit, Argonian, and sometimes Orc faces. But time spent making meshes for female bodies is apparently wasted time.

This is not unheard of in the video game industry. When Ubisoft presented Assassin's Creed Unity at E3 a few years ago, they stated they would not add female characters to the game:

“It was on our feature list until not too long ago, but it’s a question of focus and production. So we wanted to make sure we had the best experience for the character. A female character means that you have to redo a lot of animation, a lot of costumes. It would have doubled the work on those things… And I mean it’s something the team really wanted, but we had to make a decision. It’s unfortunate, but it’s a reality of game development.”

James Therien, Technical Director, Ubisoft, Assassin's Creed Unity.

Clearly, Zenimax has included women in the game. But IF an explanation every comes on this issue, I'm expecting it to sound a lot like this.

Which is a shame, because there are some really cool women working for this company, including @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom.

Then Assassin's Creed: Syndicate came out the very next year.

TheSeer

babylon wrote: »

K here's a comparison between one of the old costumes on same character, and the new costumes. This is all on the same character. You can see massive waist thickening and the bust is widened (like someone whacked a fish eye lens over it) and in some the shoulder area is also rounded off...all taken together giving a very masculine "linebacker" appearance, as if it's a male crossdressing rather than a female in a dress...all of which needs to be fixed. These are costumes I won't buy because they distort the shape of my character so much.

Incidentally I actually gave my character hips in the character creation screen, and in all costumes my characters have boy hips (as in, no hips). Where did my girly shape go? The Corseted Riding Outfit really highlights the oddly boyish hips/thick waist/broadened bust issue very well. That is no woman!

Underneath each image I have provided a quick linked comparison (click normal vs this on each to see the normal body comparison image vs the distorted body costume and flick between both images to more easily see the difference in shape).

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom



NORMAL
Character in Dark Seducer (vet 8 reward costume) - this is the "normal appearance", use this image as comparison to the costumes below which all show distortion of the character's body



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DISTORTED

High Collared Coin Ball Gown = waist thickening + bust broadening

normal vs this




Corseted Riding Outfit = waist thickening + bust broadening

normal vs this




Off-the-Shoulder Evening Dress = waist thickening + bust broadening

normal vs this




Evening Dress = waist thickening + shoulder rounding and bust broadening

normal vs this




This one isn't terrible, it's just weird and does suffer from distortion of character's actual shape

Noble Dress (front) = waist thinning at front

normal vs this


Noble Dress (side) = slight bubble shape from waist to top





Wedding Dress = waist thickening + shoulder rounding and bust broadening

normal vs this




Sand-Kissed Salwar Ensemble = bust broadening

normal vs this




"Song of the Night" Ensemble = bust broadening

normal vs this




Whisperweft Gala Wear = bust broadening

normal vs this



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@babylon
Is your character in the witness protection program?