IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

MornaBaine · July 2016

GaldorP wrote: »

This is just pure speculation, I don't have any insight into what the actual decision making process in the development team was but I can only imagine 3 possible reasons why they decided to make new armor styles different:

1. For PR reasons:
Since one of the cornerstones in ESO development is not to lower the value of the Elder Scrolls brand in any way, it could be either of the following two:
a) Ideological reasons: Someone thought the old costumes were sexist so ZOS decided to change it to something they felt was less sexist.
b) Aesthetic reasons: Someone didn't like ESO's costume/armor design style so ZOS decided to change it to something they felt looked better/more Elder Scrolls-like.

2. For (other) business reasons (to save money or get new content out faster):
The prerequisite for this is that the new simplified female armor styles save the costume designers some work.
So this would obviously reduce the amount of paid working hours per costume and allow ZOS to save some money or they could put more armor styles/costumes in the game in the same amount of time (which potentially could also create more income from crown store sales).
It's also possible that ZOS wanted to release new armor styles at a faster pace to give long-term players something to do in the game that doesn't create a power gap (new armor style motifs to farm for) but couldn't/didn't want to spend more money/time on developing new armor styles (the costume designer or designers simply couldn't make them fast enough with the old quality and ZOS didn't want to/couldn't assign new people to that task).
In either case, if it's for these reasons then ZOS basically decided to go with quantity over quality (and accepted the fact that they were going to put new armor styles into the game whose quality was inferior to the quality of the existing armor styles).

3. For technical reasons:
Having lots of different costumes and armor styles in the game could affect the game client's or the servers' performance in a negative way and the simplified armor models may simply be a measure ZOS took to limit the negative impact on the client's or the server's performance.
There could also be other more complex technical problems that come with having too many armor styles and costumes in the game and the new simplified armor styles could reduce/avoid those problems.
Edit: Or the simplified female armor gives the costume designer(s) more versatility and possibly causes less clipping problems.

(4. Any combination of 1-3).

As to why they're sticking to the new armor styles: They're probably just sticking to them because of reasons 1, 2, or 3 and are hoping that the protest will quiet down over time and that the player base will eventually learn to accept the change or forget about it.
OR future armor styles will be like the original ones again but at this point they don't want to invest the money/time needed into changing existing armor styles (too much work time that's better spent on developing new content/designing new armor styles instead from a business perspective).

I don't think any of those things are true. Look at these two newer, recently released, armors:

As you can see, THESE conform to the female shape properly. But why the Covenant, Pact and Dominion armors haven't been fixed before selling the motifs on the Crown Store is a mystery. If does, however, seem clear that, as @ZOS_JessicaFolsom said, the massive distortion on those armors and MANY others, is NOT intended. What we want to know now is why they still aren't being fixed then.

Number_51 · July 2016

ListerJMC wrote: »

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As I've now found out, the Dominion heavy armor makes male characters look huge too:

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Pact medium armor does the same thing to male characters. Haven't checked other weights.

khele23eb17_ESO · July 2016

'Send us more pictures of motifs with such issues... so we can better avoid talking about them.'

ListerJMC · July 2016

Number_51 wrote: »

ListerJMC wrote: »

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As I've now found out, the Dominion heavy armor makes male characters look huge too:

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Pact medium armor does the same thing to male characters. Haven't checked other weights.

Here's Pact medium armor on the same character as before. The other Pact style weights seem to give him similar proportions to the medium one:

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Xerosus · July 2016

They have a really strange way of making armor lately. Some armor like the Assassin's League conforms to a female build while others like the Dominion Motif do not.

Seravi · July 2016

Yeah and the Breton Hero Armor is coming out in a few days. Based on the picture provided by ZOS our females will look like boys, totally flat chested. So disappointing.... I guess the DC faction has something against females or they have some weird binding ritual all females must do to their chests?

Cazzy · July 2016

Let's try keeping this on the front page

Still hoping for word from ZOS.

Skcarkden · July 2016

I must admit i don't really see the problem.... robes not being skin tight to show the female form in full detail?

MornaBaine · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

I must admit i don't really see the problem.... robes not being skin tight to show the female form in full detail?

You might want to read the OP then, which you clearly haven't. But thanks for the bump anyway.

Cazzy · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

I must admit i don't really see the problem.... robes not being skin tight to show the female form in full detail?

If you look at the pics you'll see female bodies do not look like that.

Milvan · July 2016

Skcarkden wrote: »

I must admit i don't really see the problem.... robes not being skin tight to show the female form in full detail?

Same here I don't see a problem with "genderless" armor. IM unpopular opinion, I think that they are overeacting because you know how gaming community can be touchy with some aspects, like women breasts for example. I even readed a comment suggesting that this was a work of "sjw" hahaha.

Well armor don't actually needs to be thighed to the body, especially that ones that are hardened like platemail. But if the fix will please the community, why not. xD

MornaBaine · July 2016

Milvan wrote: »

Skcarkden wrote: »

I must admit i don't really see the problem.... robes not being skin tight to show the female form in full detail?

Same here I don't see a problem with "genderless" armor. IM unpopular opinion, I think that they are overeacting because you know how gaming community can be touchy with some aspects, like women breasts for example. I even readed a comment suggesting that this was a work of "sjw" hahaha.

Well armor don't actually needs to be thighed to the body, especially that ones that are hardened like platemail. But if the fix will please the community, why not. xD

For the love of the Divines! Will you people PLEASE read the OP? This discussion is NOT about a desire for skimpy female armor and never has been. It is about the DISTORTION that is an ongoing problem with a LOT of armors. A problem it turns out also affects some MALE armors rather than just females, as was originally thought. ZOS admits this is NOT INTENDED. It's a BUG. We want to know what they are doing to fix it. Look at all the PICTURES and you'll see what we mean. Please stop derailing this thread with inane talk that has NOTHING to do with the subject to hand.

josefcifkaeb17_ESO · July 2016

Wtf is this? Another deformity?

I don't remember the cowl looking like this... I obviously lost all my hair and I grew an uber forehead.
The game is growing uglier by the minute.

ScottK1994 · July 2016

I've wondered why all the female characters in the game looked like world of warcraft trolls hahah. What's the reason for it? Fan service only gets weird when they're obviously underraged girls. It's definitely weirder to have males be better looking than the females.

Like I put my male khajiit in a corset costume and he-she looked better than your characters. I'd honestly maybe choose to bang a transvestite cat being rather than any female humanoid in this game.

It's not even about attractiveness either it's about the female form. Even muscular women have a female form,albeit muscular.

Garldeen · July 2016

Looks like they use the same people who quality test the DLC to QT the costumes before launch

Lysette · July 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Abeille wrote: »

Kalante wrote: »

Obviously ZoS is keeping the females the same because there is not enough people that care. You are all wasting your time just like PvP people asking for fixes to fix cyrodiil the past two years. ZoS does not have a long term vision they just care about milking as much money before content runs out. All this new stuff that has been coming out was already planned in 2014. I dont thing there is nothing more past 2017 much less 2018.

Actually ZOS fixed a couple of armors based on the feedback, like the Trinimac light chest.

But they seem to have touched nothing else and they refuse to comment about what they are doing as far as fixes go. They didn't even announce that they HAD fixed the Trinimac. Which seems really weird to me. I'd like a listing of everything they think they have fixed and the order in which they are goig to fix the rest. I suppose an ETA would be asking too much though. But SOMETHING ZOS.... throw us a bone!

Well, they fixed or at least made some things less annoying - like with the nightmother's embrace set, it bulged out on the back in a horrible way, this got reduced as well as the whole set is less bulky than it was before - it is still bulky, but not that much anymore and at least on males it looks nearly ok now.

Shoulder pads are as well a lot nearer to the body now than those were before - they still float on female characters, but not that much as before, and they seem to fit well on my male characters now. These are all results of us complaining about the matter.

Edit: this said, the shields of nightmother's embrace and shadowdancer sets are too near to the body and too big - they cut into my head and my hips while I am standing and when I sneak (don't forget, those are stealthy sets), the shield cuts right through all of my head.

LadyNalcarya · July 2016

New costume on female char, if anyones wondering.

Char without a costume, for comparison:

Lieblingsjunge · July 2016

I'll just copy my post from my thread, that got closed before I found this one lel. Pictures can be provided if necessary.

Okay so. The Breton Hero costume looks amazing. I really like it. But... So My main is an Altmer templar, she doesn't have the biggest boobs. But. It looks... dead. MY BOOBS ARE DEAD! (For te record, it looks as boob-less on a Breton with maximum boob-size, as it does on a Altmer).
Seriously. I understand that it's supposed to be armour, so I'm nt expecting Elven- Hero-costume-cleavage, but... Boobs? I can't decide whether t looks like a balloon - or one very fluffy boob.

Can I please have my boobs back? It makes me look like a man viewing it from the side/back. Can I haz my boobs back? q.q

Idolove the costume though. It looks amazing. The details, it looks sweeeeet. But.. Boobs. I'm a proud woman. I love my boobs. My boobs that's been so brutally taken from me(reference, any1?)

LadyNalcarya · July 2016

Not just boobs, it makes my char's hair disappear >.<

GreenhaloX · July 2016

Ok.. where's more of those boobs conversation from @Lieblingsjunge' recent post that was locked and told we had to come here to continue the topic. I'm waiting.. I have my popcorn out and the younger Michael Jackson in the theater grin. Lol!

Lysette · July 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

New costume on female char, if anyones wondering.

Char without a costume, for comparison:

If it wouldn't be about the strange hood, it does not even look that bad on your character, because you have a smaller chest size and your character is rather skinny, so optically a bit more around her waist line is not doing her harm IMO.

GreenhaloX · July 2016

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I'll just copy my post from my thread, that got closed before I found this one lel. Pictures can be provided if necessary.

Okay so. The Breton Hero costume looks amazing. I really like it. But... So My main is an Altmer templar, she doesn't have the biggest boobs. But. It looks... dead. MY BOOBS ARE DEAD! (For te record, it looks as boob-less on a Breton with maximum boob-size, as it does on a Altmer).
Seriously. I understand that it's supposed to be armour, so I'm nt expecting Elven- Hero-costume-cleavage, but... Boobs? I can't decide whether t looks like a balloon - or one very fluffy boob.

Can I please have my boobs back? It makes me look like a man viewing it from the side/back. Can I haz my boobs back? q.q

Idolove the costume though. It looks amazing. The details, it looks sweeeeet. But.. Boobs. I'm a proud woman. I love my boobs. My boobs that's been so brutally taken from me(reference, any1?)

I am for having them to bring your boobs back. Where's the petition? I'll sign. Lol!

Lysette · July 2016

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Ok.. where's more of those boobs conversation from @Lieblingsjunge' recent post that was locked and told we had to come here to continue the topic. I'm waiting.. I have my popcorn out and the younger Michael Jackson in the theater grin. Lol!

Haha, and I believe instantly that he is female, when his account name translates to "favorite boy".

Mettaricana · July 2016

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

It makes me so sad that the noble dress looks so funny... today I finally made a pretty imperial girl, and this dress would match her completely, but I am not paying for that strange shape...

Do you guys know if ZOS will also fix this besides the craftable armor?

Whatvstrange shape its a corset its supposed to pack you tight and hour glass like

andreasranasen · July 2016

Is it just me but why is everything so skintight looking in this game? I agree with the the person starting this thread about chest area looking awful with some armors on females. But with is everything so tight looking? Can we please have some flowing robes that feel light and silky?

LadyNalcarya · July 2016

andreasranasen wrote: »

Is it just me but why is everything so skintight looking in this game? I agree with the the person starting this thread about chest area looking awful with some armors on females. But with is everything so tight looking? Can we please have some flowing robes that feel light and silky?

Because many clothing and armor items are just painted on char's model.
Its not really related to the issue we discuss in this thread since there are some costumes that arent skin tight but dont change characters shape. For example, this one:

Lysette · July 2016

Mettaricana wrote: »

EstelioVeleth wrote: »

It makes me so sad that the noble dress looks so funny... today I finally made a pretty imperial girl, and this dress would match her completely, but I am not paying for that strange shape...

Do you guys know if ZOS will also fix this besides the craftable armor?

Whatvstrange shape its a corset its supposed to pack you tight and hour glass like

This - it is supposed to look like that.

Lysette · July 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

andreasranasen wrote: »

Is it just me but why is everything so skintight looking in this game? I agree with the the person starting this thread about chest area looking awful with some armors on females. But with is everything so tight looking? Can we please have some flowing robes that feel light and silky?

Because many clothing and armor items are just painted on char's model.
Its not really related to the issue we discuss in this thread since there are some costumes that arent skin tight but dont change characters shape. For example, this one:

Yes, that pirate outfit is one of the better ones, it looks good on male and female characters. Your elven character looks gorgeous btw.

Lieblingsjunge · July 2016

GreenhaloX wrote: »

Lieblingsjunge wrote: »

I'll just copy my post from my thread, that got closed before I found this one lel. Pictures can be provided if necessary.

Okay so. The Breton Hero costume looks amazing. I really like it. But... So My main is an Altmer templar, she doesn't have the biggest boobs. But. It looks... dead. MY BOOBS ARE DEAD! (For te record, it looks as boob-less on a Breton with maximum boob-size, as it does on a Altmer).
Seriously. I understand that it's supposed to be armour, so I'm nt expecting Elven- Hero-costume-cleavage, but... Boobs? I can't decide whether t looks like a balloon - or one very fluffy boob.

Can I please have my boobs back? It makes me look like a man viewing it from the side/back. Can I haz my boobs back? q.q

Idolove the costume though. It looks amazing. The details, it looks sweeeeet. But.. Boobs. I'm a proud woman. I love my boobs. My boobs that's been so brutally taken from me(reference, any1?)

I am for having them to bring your boobs back. Where's the petition? I'll sign. Lol!

Since I'm lazy, this will have to do. http://www.strawpoll.me/10800751

Abeille · July 2016

I didn't notice real distortions with the Breton Hero outfit. Anyone did? The way the coat goes straight down and hides the sides of this otherwise form-fitting costume can give that impression, but the armor behind the coat still looks okay on females. At least on my character (I could only test on one, I'm having problems with my internet).