IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

waterfairy

Number_51 wrote: »

The image I posted, from @helediron, is of the Thieves Guild style in heavy weight. I believe that is the style that was used for the new Night Mother's Embrace set.

From the front...

And they said you couldn't make a fat female Altmer

Lysette

Abeille wrote: »

Fugue wrote: »

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom if you get a chance, could you update this thread on what is going on with the issue? I know it isn't a balance/game play problem, but... it would be nice to see that it is being worked on, especially since as others have indicated the art showing showcased new content of the crown store looks like it is not.

I know a female player I group with would have bought some of the costumes/armor sets except for the fact of the model distortions. So although not a gameplay issue, it might be a financial one.

That's how I feel. I like most of the outfits, and I would buy them if it wasn't for the body distortions

Same, I am not happy with it and that is why none of the showcased stuff is interesting to me. It would be, if it would not look all the same on male and females. You can do nice stuff, ZOS, why not doing that for armor as well?- And that freaking nightmother's embrace chest piece is just awful, I wear a costume instead, because I hate to see my character in this crap.

Pensola

I haven't tried out that many outfits and motives yet, but at the very least the chest plate looks good on the Daggerfall Covenant motif for women, in my opinion. The metal plates on the light armour is a feature/trait/detail on the alliance motives (at least DC), like how Outlaw only has hoods on all heads. I tried to test it out with a few characters of different shapes, and I think it did it well. As a female player, I was really happy that they are working on proper armour plates, and leave the boob plates. As they just recently started with this, I am going to be patient as they see how it works and fix what needs to be fixed; definetely light armour made out of fabric like Trinimac, because even if the fabric wouldn't be skin-tight in the real world, it doesn't look realistically falling anyway. It is rough around the edges and it needs working on, but honestly, just the fact that they aren't 1) boob plates anymore and 2) boob windows or boob socks, I'm willing to be relatively patient, a little depending on how Dark Brotherhood handles it.

Second, I understand wanting to look sexy. I like looking sexy in game, as long as it is my own choice of the matter. There are games that have outfits sensible for men but automatically changes to sexy and revealing for women. In many instances in ESO, I feel they try to keep it alike, and the outfits that ARE revealing are balanced by non-revealing and sensible clothing. So for the new armour costumes (like the Treasure Hunter one) having a flat chest is just good for me, as long as it doesn't look too bad because of build change. What I hope for them is that the costumes will still change depending on the torso/upper body; IIRC, it does so with male characters as well, but keep the plate properly without too much molding. At the same time, make sure arms and torso doesn't change too much.... I feel like I am contradicting myself, hahah.

TL:DR; I like them going the direction of getting rid of boob plates and I like the ratio between sexy and sensible outfits. I hope they can work around the problem with female build and boob plates in the Dark Brotherhood update.

Lysette

I am with you as far as the Breton medium armor goes for example, but ... it looks good on female characters who do have a normal chest, but not on those with a bigger one, there it bulges out and looks just weird. My females have all just normal sized chests, and so most stuff looks nice on them. Furthermore they are nearly all athletic with wide shoulders and muscular arms and legs (well, archers, to draw a 75 lbs bow requires real strength), because they have to run a lot and stay agile. So my characters do not look typically sexy in an outfit like the bosmer doeskin, but like a female archer.

I repost it again, that you can see, what I mean - this is not a doll and as well not objectified, but it matches her combat style - agile, fast, avoiding direct contact with the enemy and able to outrun those. And this is better done in less clothes.

Lysette

I like this type of clothes a lot - the pirate outfits - look at how feminine it looks on her, without to be specifically sexy.

Gidorick

Lysette wrote: »

I am with you as far as the Breton medium armor goes for example, but ... it looks good on female characters who do have a normal chest, but not on those with a bigger one, there it bulges out and looks just weird. My females have all just normal sized chests, and so most stuff looks nice on them. Furthermore they are nearly all athletic with wide shoulders and muscular arms and legs (well, archers, to draw a 75 lbs bow requires real strength), because they have to run a lot and stay agile. So my characters do not look typically sexy in an outfit like the bosmer doeskin, but like a female archer.

I repost it again, that you can see, what I mean - this is not a doll and as well not objectified, but it matches her combat style - agile, fast, avoiding direct contact with the enemy and able to outrun those. And this is better done in less clothes.

Mostly I'm just happy that this doesn't look painted on.

Lysette

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I am with you as far as the Breton medium armor goes for example, but ... it looks good on female characters who do have a normal chest, but not on those with a bigger one, there it bulges out and looks just weird. My females have all just normal sized chests, and so most stuff looks nice on them. Furthermore they are nearly all athletic with wide shoulders and muscular arms and legs (well, archers, to draw a 75 lbs bow requires real strength), because they have to run a lot and stay agile. So my characters do not look typically sexy in an outfit like the bosmer doeskin, but like a female archer.

I repost it again, that you can see, what I mean - this is not a doll and as well not objectified, but it matches her combat style - agile, fast, avoiding direct contact with the enemy and able to outrun those. And this is better done in less clothes.

Mostly I'm just happy that this doesn't look painted on.

It is one of the better ones, true, and strangely enough, it was removed from the crown store lately.

Mettaricana

I lost hope in most of the armora when I saw zos took the painted on look

Lysette

As far as fashion goes, there is no MMO better equipped than second life - millions of fashion items, player-created content. Really awesome stuff, pretty much all genre, all periods, all styles - regardless what you are looking for, someone has created it.

Gidorick

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I am with you as far as the Breton medium armor goes for example, but ... it looks good on female characters who do have a normal chest, but not on those with a bigger one, there it bulges out and looks just weird. My females have all just normal sized chests, and so most stuff looks nice on them. Furthermore they are nearly all athletic with wide shoulders and muscular arms and legs (well, archers, to draw a 75 lbs bow requires real strength), because they have to run a lot and stay agile. So my characters do not look typically sexy in an outfit like the bosmer doeskin, but like a female archer.

I repost it again, that you can see, what I mean - this is not a doll and as well not objectified, but it matches her combat style - agile, fast, avoiding direct contact with the enemy and able to outrun those. And this is better done in less clothes.

Mostly I'm just happy that this doesn't look painted on.

It is one of the better ones, true, and strangely enough, it was removed from the crown store lately.

Wait, it was removed? Didn't it JUST get added like a month ago?

Lysette

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I am with you as far as the Breton medium armor goes for example, but ... it looks good on female characters who do have a normal chest, but not on those with a bigger one, there it bulges out and looks just weird. My females have all just normal sized chests, and so most stuff looks nice on them. Furthermore they are nearly all athletic with wide shoulders and muscular arms and legs (well, archers, to draw a 75 lbs bow requires real strength), because they have to run a lot and stay agile. So my characters do not look typically sexy in an outfit like the bosmer doeskin, but like a female archer.

I repost it again, that you can see, what I mean - this is not a doll and as well not objectified, but it matches her combat style - agile, fast, avoiding direct contact with the enemy and able to outrun those. And this is better done in less clothes.

Mostly I'm just happy that this doesn't look painted on.

It is one of the better ones, true, and strangely enough, it was removed from the crown store lately.

Wait, it was removed? Didn't it JUST get added like a month ago?

Yes, but they removed the more detailed one, just the simpler one is still there.

Daraugh

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But let's keep this discussion where it belongs, the bugged armor affecting mostly female and some male characters with balloon chests, hunched shoulders and distortions. This is the problem we're here to fix, any other gender differences are really outside the power of /bug

Abeille

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Gidorick wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

I am with you as far as the Breton medium armor goes for example, but ... it looks good on female characters who do have a normal chest, but not on those with a bigger one, there it bulges out and looks just weird. My females have all just normal sized chests, and so most stuff looks nice on them. Furthermore they are nearly all athletic with wide shoulders and muscular arms and legs (well, archers, to draw a 75 lbs bow requires real strength), because they have to run a lot and stay agile. So my characters do not look typically sexy in an outfit like the bosmer doeskin, but like a female archer.

I repost it again, that you can see, what I mean - this is not a doll and as well not objectified, but it matches her combat style - agile, fast, avoiding direct contact with the enemy and able to outrun those. And this is better done in less clothes.

Mostly I'm just happy that this doesn't look painted on.

It is one of the better ones, true, and strangely enough, it was removed from the crown store lately.

Wait, it was removed? Didn't it JUST get added like a month ago?

They didn't remove it yet, they are removing it on May 30th along with lots of other stuff. And they are not even doing a sale like last time they removed things

ZOS_DaryaK

We've removed some posts that were derailing this discussion.

LadyNalcarya

Just checked the new costumes, and I have no words. Just look at this:

0/10 not gonna buy.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

MornaBaine

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Just checked the new costumes, and I have no words. Just look at this:

0/10 not gonna buy.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

I'm really shocked these were put out considering they KNOW there's a problem. What gives @ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ???

Daraugh

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Just checked the new costumes, and I have no words. Just look at this:

0/10 not gonna buy.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

The ankle to foot ratio looks very odd. Tiny stick ankles and if her feet matched her legs and ankles (instead of the costume warping them) she'd be wearing giant clogs for boots.

I would buy and hope to buy the Dragonborn outfit, because yes I'm a sucker for costumes, but only if it gets fixed before it goes in the store. Otherwise, pass on both.

waterfairy

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Just checked the new costumes, and I have no words. Just look at this:

0/10 not gonna buy.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

ha the middle one...they're still using male models but trying to feminize them instead of creating a proper female model.

Callous2208

I can't see anything wrong with the dragon warrior costume. The dragon priest looks fairly odd though.

Lysette

Vigarr wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Just checked the new costumes, and I have no words. Just look at this:

0/10 not gonna buy.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

ha the middle one...they're still using male models but trying to feminize them instead of creating a proper female model.

Nothing I would want to buy - no quality, no money from me, simple as that.

Taisynn

I hope they answer us on this week's ESO Live... Because this is ridiculous.

MornaBaine

Callous2208 wrote: »

I can't see anything wrong with the dragon warrior costume. The dragon priest looks fairly odd though.

the shape o the breast is completely wrong on the dragon warrior. The dragon priest just makes girls look like skinny dudes. bleah!

LadyNalcarya

MornaBaine wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I can't see anything wrong with the dragon warrior costume. The dragon priest looks fairly odd though.

the shape o the breast is completely wrong on the dragon warrior. The dragon priest just makes girls look like skinny dudes. bleah!

Yeah, and the curve is exactly the same as on Trinimac and Mercenary meshes, with the same sticking out polygons.

Lysette

The middle one is just extruded - even a beginner at blender could do better - this is horribly lazy design, they can just keep it.

Callous2208

MornaBaine wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I can't see anything wrong with the dragon warrior costume. The dragon priest looks fairly odd though.

the shape o the breast is completely wrong on the dragon warrior. The dragon priest just makes girls look like skinny dudes. bleah!

Ah, I just assumed it was a hardened plate covering the breasts, rendering them sorta shapeless. The dragon priest just looks odd all around to me. Luckily I am not the type of man who rp's female toons, but I can sympathize with my warrior sisters.

LadyNalcarya

Callous2208 wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Callous2208 wrote: »

I can't see anything wrong with the dragon warrior costume. The dragon priest looks fairly odd though.

the shape o the breast is completely wrong on the dragon warrior. The dragon priest just makes girls look like skinny dudes. bleah!

Ah, I just assumed it was a hardened plate covering the breasts, rendering them sorta shapeless. The dragon priest just looks odd all around to me. Luckily I am not the type of man who rp's female toons, but I can sympathize with my warrior sisters.

No, it looks like cloth or thin leather. There is a metal buckle at the middle of the chest, but I dont think its an excuse for polygon edges sticking out and chars breasts moving lower.

Unfortunately I cant make better close-up screenshots since I dont wanna buy the costume, but those edges are noticeable in game and remind me of old Lara Croft's model:

waterfairy

Lysette wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Just checked the new costumes, and I have no words. Just look at this:

0/10 not gonna buy.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

ha the middle one...they're still using male models but trying to feminize them instead of creating a proper female model.

Nothing I would want to buy - no quality, no money from me, simple as that.

I agree. I'm ignoring my Skyrim love here so I can vote with my wallet like you.

They seem to underestimate the importance of appearance in an RPG game (especially MMORPG's)

Callous2208

Vigarr wrote: »

Lysette wrote: »

Vigarr wrote: »

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Just checked the new costumes, and I have no words. Just look at this:

0/10 not gonna buy.


@ZOS_GinaBruno @ZOS_JessicaFolsom

ha the middle one...they're still using male models but trying to feminize them instead of creating a proper female model.

Nothing I would want to buy - no quality, no money from me, simple as that.

I agree. I'm ignoring my Skyrim love here so I can vote with my wallet like you.

They seem to underestimate the importance of appearance in an RPG game (especially MMORPG's)

Anyone got a male toon screenshot. I'd like to support your cause but I'm weak. My male nord needs dat ***.

Lysette

What really annoys me with this is, that they show the same kind of "painfully average" as at start - some content is just fantastic and then they do something like this, what is absolute crap - and hurt their reputation with it and the feeling in me is rising again, that I support a greedy company, who is not willing to put in the effort especially when they want extra money, as if they would think "well, they are addicted anyway and have to buy, they have no choice, why not just feed them crap".

waterfairy

Callous2208 wrote: »

Anyone got a male toon screenshot. I'd like to support your cause but I'm weak. My male nord needs dat ***.

ha I hear you, my Nord man Magnus Mead-Beard needs that.