IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

baratron · April 2016

tinythinker wrote: »

Possible solution: re-roll a very short, wide, plus-sized female or a male in the upcoming barbershop?

That's all I can think of on the player-end for now. Sorry.

MornaBaine wrote: »

And while we still have your attention... about the costumes in the Crown Store... They ALL "deform" bodies and use some sort of bizarre "preset" boDy type that has NOTHING to do with the body shapes we CHOSE in character creation. PLEASE look into that and make future offerings better.

I tried making a very short, wide, plus-sized female character. She is as close to me as you can make in the game. Unfortunately, she is not immune from dodgy Crown Store costume meshes.

The Noble Dress in particular makes me wonder what they were thinking. I look at it and it's like my poor character has been reduced from a UK size 18 to a size 10. I haven't been a size 10 since I was a teenager!

Also, having a big bottom means that a lot of dresses drape extremely oddly. The fabric warping isn't helped by the fact that the default standing pose for female characters is to lean on one hip in what looks like an incredibly uncomfortable manner.

Please look into the Corseted Riding Outfit, Off-the-Shoulder Evening Dress, and Noble Dress. (Thinner characters also have problems with the Corseted Riding Outfit).

The Evening Dress and Wedding Dress are just fine. The items designed for male characters also hang as I'd expect.

ContraTempo · April 2016

To add to the mix of pix, this woman won a World Invitational Longsword championship in February. That's full contact with (blunted) longswords, so that armor needs to actually protect. NOT the same thing as movie armor.

Of course she had on a helmet, not pictured here.

baratron · April 2016

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

While youre at it, mind having a look at some of those armors looking rather bloated on males too?

Would you be able to provide a list of item sets you're aware of that are doing this? The same issue we're looking at for certain item sets on female character models may be impacting male models, too.

I think so, yes. For example, the Trinimac Heavy Cuirass seems particularly problematic. This character is an average-weight, average-height Nord blacksmith. Most of his sliders were somewhere near the middle.

Apparently the Trinimac Cuirass includes a push-up bra for dudes?

This odd sticking-out part also causes it to intersect with Trinimac's Valor Epaulets.

It sticks out at the back too.

The hip flaps are way too low.

I deliberately haven't paired the Cuirass with Trinimac Greaves, because armour sets are supposed to be at least somewhat mix and match. If there is an odd sticking-out part at both front and back, and the hip flaps are nowhere near the man's hips, this is a problem regardless of whether the Cuirass looks "normal" when paired with its matching Greaves.

Taleof2Cities · April 2016

baratron wrote: »

I think so, yes. For example, the Trinimac Heavy Cuirass seems particularly problematic. This character is an average-weight, average-height Nord blacksmith. Most of his sliders were somewhere near the middle.

Apparently the Trinimac Cuirass includes a push-up bra for dudes?

Excellent summary of the issues with Trinimac.

The chest issue on the light robes I brought up way back in December (thread below):

http://forums.elderscrollsonline.com/en/discussion/231781/robe-of-trinimacs-valor-cosmetic-issue

As for the heavy version, I was too eager to craft a 7-piece purple set for my level 16 stam sorc. The full heavy set on a somewhat petite lady looked like something out of Fallout 4 rather than ESO. It went straight to decon. Wished I would have taken pictures of it ... might make another iron set just to post in the forums.

On the positive side, the knee issue with the robes was fixed with the Thieves Guild ... and the Trinimac Blacksmith weapons look quite nice.

A warm thanks to ZOS for spending time on these issues.

Xerosus · April 2016

Bahraha's Curse Heavy shoulders float on male characters.

MornaBaine · April 2016

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

ElderBugOffline wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

sorry, i cannot resist

That made me spit out my coffee...

Well done. lol

HEY NOW! I object to this abuse of my poor toon!!!!! ROFL!!!!

Dissentinel · April 2016

babylon wrote: »

Dissentinel wrote: »

I don't think the armors are a hideous distortion of the female form, it's just less feminine.

Have you even looked at the pictures? The bodies are distorted in this gear. In games we like to show off our achievements...there are leaderboards, people dye their armour.

If you make gear that makes our characters look hideous it goes against everything people usually like to do in MMO games (look good in various ways).

Your "I don't think" shows you haven't tried to read a thing we've been saying, or looked at the pictures we've provided. Even ZOS is saying they've screwed up.

We're now about getting it fixed, so provide names and images of terrible armour and Crown Store costumes or step aside.

You don't need to be a jerk about it. I have looked at the pictures and read was said, and in large part I have seen people complaining that the size of their characters' breasts and bottoms are altered to be less apparent in certain armors. I've already stated my argument about why it's more functional to have the armors the way they are. For the Crown Store stuff, that I agree with you on. It shouldn't alter your characters proportions if it's a dress or anything else that isn't armor.

babylon · April 2016

Dissentinel wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Dissentinel wrote: »

I don't think the armors are a hideous distortion of the female form, it's just less feminine.

Have you even looked at the pictures? The bodies are distorted in this gear. In games we like to show off our achievements...there are leaderboards, people dye their armour.

If you make gear that makes our characters look hideous it goes against everything people usually like to do in MMO games (look good in various ways).

Your "I don't think" shows you haven't tried to read a thing we've been saying, or looked at the pictures we've provided. Even ZOS is saying they've screwed up.

We're now about getting it fixed, so provide names and images of terrible armour and Crown Store costumes or step aside.

You don't need to be a jerk about it. I have looked at the pictures and read was said, and in large part I have seen people complaining that the size of their characters' breasts and bottoms are altered to be less apparent in certain armors. I've already stated my argument about why it's more functional to have the armors the way they are. For the Crown Store stuff, that I agree with you on. It shouldn't alter your characters proportions if it's a dress or anything else that isn't armor.

I'm not being a "jerk" I'm telling you to pay some attention to what is actually being said here, because you're going on about breasts and bottoms being "less apparent" as if we're wanting sexier armour, and we're talking about actual distortions of shape so that the female is shaped like a male with barrel chests and bubbles from stomach to neck in ways that nobody could call normal. I quote you: "and in large part I have seen people complaining that the size of their characters' breasts and bottoms are altered to be less apparent in certain armors" - no this is not what we're saying.

READ THE THREAD. Not being a jerk, just asking once again that you see what is happening instead of once again assuming things. Please don't post here with more of the same, you're not on the same page at all.

Elsonso · April 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

ElderBugOffline wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

sorry, i cannot resist

That made me spit out my coffee...

Well done. lol

HEY NOW! I object to this abuse of my poor toon!!!!! ROFL!!!!

I'd be more concerned with who she has been hanging around with.

Korah_Eaglecry · April 2016

Xerosus wrote: »

Bahraha's Curse Heavy shoulders float on male characters.

From what Ive seen Light, Medium and Heavy suffer from this. Im not sure if its because of the angle that they are at (They seem to be purposely angled off the shoulder rather than sitting on the shoulder).

MornaBaine · April 2016

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

ElderBugOffline wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

sorry, i cannot resist

That made me spit out my coffee...

Well done. lol

HEY NOW! I object to this abuse of my poor toon!!!!! ROFL!!!!

I'd be more concerned with who she has been hanging around with.

Yeah if it's someone who can actually knock up a vampire.... that's kinda scary! lol

JDar · April 2016

Gender is a social construct so there is no need. Anita Sarkeesian in all her infinite wisdom would approve of this I'm sure.

Dubhliam · April 2016

Feet and Belt are Fasalla set.
Notice the large disparity in size.

I had to craft myself another pair of boots just because this combination looks Fugly. The belt can stay, but even the belt buckle is floating 3 inches in front of the torso.

Brightxdawn · April 2016

^ LOL........funny but not cool.

MornaBaine · April 2016

KoshkaMurka wrote: »

Slurg wrote: »

They are doing this on purpose now? Is the intention of this to encourage people with female characters to buy more costumes from the crown store??

Except that female costumes in crown store are also affected by inflated chest bug.

Yes they are and it's awful! LOL Hey @ZOS_JessicaFolsom ... since we're now including the problems with the Crown Store costumes... (and yeah I am shamlessly stretching things here!) can I take this opportunity to beg for a "Mortal Skin" for vampires? This very much desired Skin in the RP vampire community, when applied, would revert a vampire back to the appearance they had when they were still mortal. PRETTY PLEASE???? *insert shameless begging emote here*

Icy · April 2016

More photos. You'll note the lack of waist. My character really does have that small a waist by the way.
Xivkin front and profile.
Marksman (medium) front and profile (red gloves)
Fasalla (heavy) front and profile (white gloves). Why do the Medium and Heavy sets look identical????
Not shown: Clipping at the back for both Marksman and Fasalla with a tabbard.

BenLocoDete · April 2016

MornaBaine wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

ElderBugOffline wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

sorry, i cannot resist

That made me spit out my coffee...

Well done. lol

HEY NOW! I object to this abuse of my poor toon!!!!! ROFL!!!!

I'd be more concerned with who she has been hanging around with.

Yeah if it's someone who can actually knock up a vampire.... that's kinda scary! lol

It looks like somebody spent a little more time in Molag Bal's quarters than originally intended...

Uriel_Nocturne · April 2016

BenLocoDete wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

lordrichter wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

Uriel_Nocturne wrote: »

ElderBugOffline wrote: »

ZOS_JessicaFolsom wrote: »

Hi everyone,

We started following this thread a couple days ago, and digging into why some of the light armor sets look the way they do on female character models. We can confirm that the way certain light armor sets - like the Trinimac's Valor set - look on female character models is not desired or intended. We're still investigating this issue, but we are working on it and will make it better.

sorry, i cannot resist

That made me spit out my coffee...

Well done. lol

HEY NOW! I object to this abuse of my poor toon!!!!! ROFL!!!!

I'd be more concerned with who she has been hanging around with.

Yeah if it's someone who can actually knock up a vampire.... that's kinda scary! lol

It looks like somebody spent a little more time in Molag Bal's quarters than originally intended...

That baby is going to emerge like it's auditioning for an Alien movie...

lmao

khele23eb17_ESO · April 2016

baratron wrote: »

The hip flaps are way too low.

Its clearly hip hop inspired gear :P

NewBlacksmurf · April 2016

So perhaps @ZOS_GinaBruno and @ZOS_JessicaFolsom this can be a segement on ESO Live this month.

It seems like a topic that may take a lot of time but its definitely a strong community interest, if nothing else.
Can this thread be considered as an "ASK US ANYTHING" request?

Inarre · April 2016

One more to illustrate the bulkiness of transmutation. I understand the upper arms are somewhat bunched up but dear god does this piece look horrible with an outlaw chest xD I actually bought the epaulets to wear instead for the lesser of two evils.

I feel like I'm wearing giant welding gloves.

Since we're bringing up clipping now too, I figured I'd add that to the list with the Imperial Chancellor gift, but maybe thats a bit much to hope for. Honestly I'd be happy with boobs

(image courtesy of eso-fashion.com)

Inarre · April 2016

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

The hip flaps are way too low.

Itc clearly hip hop inspired gear :P

lmao i was gonna say the same thing

The gangstas of ESO

AddictionX · April 2016

So wait does that mean they are reconsidering the decision to no longer make female armor? Or was a sneaky one just pulled.

svartorn · April 2016

Look at all these well thought out posts full of pictures highlighting problems ZOS has zero plans to fix.

Benzaiten · April 2016

The Trinimac light shoulders also interact with the Outlaw light helmet in a really strange way- it strips the colour and texture off of most of the shoulder 'wings', leaving them smooth, white and shiny, with only a bit of colour around the base of the wings. This is on Xbox, btw.

I would provide a screenshot, but I can't upload images to OneDrive atm.

Eshelmen · April 2016

Fine, then our male characters should be able to have bulges in their private areas.... I mean seriously ZOS? WTH? I'm offended by this.

Some of us guys can't hide these bulges in real life, the undies/jeans/clothing "contour"around it.

CANT you make suitable clothing to fit this?
Truly absurd!

MornaBaine · April 2016

Benzaiten wrote: »

The Trinimac light shoulders also interact with the Outlaw light helmet in a really strange way- it strips the colour and texture off of most of the shoulder 'wings', leaving them smooth, white and shiny, with only a bit of colour around the base of the wings. This is on Xbox, btw.

I would provide a screenshot, but I can't upload images to OneDrive atm.

You mean like this?

Seems to be an issue with wearing the shoulders with headgear.

There were provided by a player at TESO-RP

AddictionX · April 2016

I sense a bulge hijack coming ....

Prepare for battle!

khele23eb17_ESO · April 2016

Inarre wrote: »

khele23eb17_ESO wrote: »

baratron wrote: »

The hip flaps are way too low.

Itc clearly hip hop inspired gear :P

lmao i was gonna say the same thing

The gangstas of ESO

Hip hop hip flaps :P

Abeille · April 2016

This is minor, but:

That metal ring deforms when you run wearing this costume.

Also, the shoulders clip with long hair (not visible on this picture), but I don't actually think that is something that can be fixed.