IMPORTANT UPDATE! ZOS PLEASE reconsider your decision to no longer make FEMALE Light armor!

Benzaiten

MornaBaine wrote: »

Benzaiten wrote: »

The Trinimac light shoulders also interact with the Outlaw light helmet in a really strange way- it strips the colour and texture off of most of the shoulder 'wings', leaving them smooth, white and shiny, with only a bit of colour around the base of the wings. This is on Xbox, btw.

I would provide a screenshot, but I can't upload images to OneDrive atm.

You mean like this?




Seems to be an issue with wearing the shoulders with headgear.

There were provided by a player at TESO-RP

Yep, that's it exactly! TY for posting.

Strangely enough, it doesn't happen with the light Breton helmet. I haven't tested it on other styles yet.

Uriel_Nocturne

svartorn wrote: »

Look at all these well thought out posts full of pictures highlighting problems ZOS has zero plans to fix.

Pssst...

A modicum of research would have let you know that @ZOS_JessicaFolsom has already commented that this was not intended, and that Zeni is looking at ways to fix it.

But don't tell anyone. That would ruin all of the ammo people have to make negative posts based off of hearsay.

RoyalPink06

@MornaBaine , are all these issues that you and everyone else seem to be seeing on PC? Or what platform? Or all 3 platforms? I'm on PS4 and haven't really noticed these issues - but I also haven't had the time yet to investigate since I found this thread (stoopid work). If anyone on console has any screenshots I would love to see 'em.

I posted a comment many pages ago about having a hard time finding a heavy chest piece for my sorc, but now that I see all these pics I'm thinking my issue was more related to my mix of styles lookin' junky rather than the actually chest pieces themselves, but I didn't look with too much scrutiny when I was trying them on her.

Daraugh

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

@MornaBaine , are all these issues that you and everyone else seem to be seeing on PC? Or what platform? Or all 3 platforms? I'm on PS4 and haven't really noticed these issues - but I also haven't had the time yet to investigate since I found this thread (stoopid work). If anyone on console has any screenshots I would love to see 'em.

I posted a comment many pages ago about having a hard time finding a heavy chest piece for my sorc, but now that I see all these pics I'm thinking my issue was more related to my mix of styles lookin' junky rather than the actually chest pieces themselves, but I didn't look with too much scrutiny when I was trying them on her.

Good point, I didn't mention it before but I'm only on PC so all of the bloaty, floaty, squishing and puffing is happening on an 18.4" laptop screen.

Benzaiten

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

@MornaBaine , are all these issues that you and everyone else seem to be seeing on PC? Or what platform? Or all 3 platforms? I'm on PS4 and haven't really noticed these issues - but I also haven't had the time yet to investigate since I found this thread (stoopid work). If anyone on console has any screenshots I would love to see 'em.

I posted a comment many pages ago about having a hard time finding a heavy chest piece for my sorc, but now that I see all these pics I'm thinking my issue was more related to my mix of styles lookin' junky rather than the actually chest pieces themselves, but I didn't look with too much scrutiny when I was trying them on her.

They are happening on Xbox too. I'll post some pics in a bit.

MornaBaine

RoyalPink06 wrote: »

@MornaBaine , are all these issues that you and everyone else seem to be seeing on PC? Or what platform? Or all 3 platforms? I'm on PS4 and haven't really noticed these issues - but I also haven't had the time yet to investigate since I found this thread (stoopid work). If anyone on console has any screenshots I would love to see 'em.

I posted a comment many pages ago about having a hard time finding a heavy chest piece for my sorc, but now that I see all these pics I'm thinking my issue was more related to my mix of styles lookin' junky rather than the actually chest pieces themselves, but I didn't look with too much scrutiny when I was trying them on her.

I'm on PC but there have been others in this thread saying they are seeing the same problems on consoles.

Daraugh

On a positive note, the Altmer Hero costume is extremely well done. The torso and all of the proportions have been maintained on my Khajiit. I'd like to say Huzzah! for this one and hope it's the new standard we can see in the future.

babylon

Took a bunch of pictures of the dodgy Crown Store costumes so will lay them all in this thread later on.

babylon

K here's a comparison between one of the old costumes on same character, and the new costumes. This is all on the same character. You can see massive waist thickening and the bust is widened (like someone whacked a fish eye lens over it) and in some the shoulder area is also rounded off...all taken together giving a very masculine "linebacker" appearance, as if it's a male crossdressing rather than a female in a dress...all of which needs to be fixed. These are costumes I won't buy because they distort the shape of my character so much.

Incidentally I actually gave my character hips in the character creation screen, and in all costumes my characters have boy hips (as in, no hips). Where did my girly shape go? The Corseted Riding Outfit really highlights the oddly boyish hips/thick waist/broadened bust issue very well. That is no woman!

Underneath each image I have provided a quick linked comparison (click normal vs this on each to see the normal body comparison image vs the distorted body costume and flick between both images to more easily see the difference in shape).

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom



NORMAL
Character in Dark Seducer (vet 8 reward costume) - this is the "normal appearance", use this image as comparison to the costumes below which all show distortion of the character's body



_____________________
DISTORTED

High Collared Coin Ball Gown = waist thickening + bust broadening

normal vs this




Corseted Riding Outfit = waist thickening + bust broadening

normal vs this




Off-the-Shoulder Evening Dress = waist thickening + bust broadening

normal vs this




Evening Dress = waist thickening + shoulder rounding and bust broadening

normal vs this




This one isn't terrible, it's just weird and does suffer from distortion of character's actual shape

Noble Dress (front) = waist thinning at front

normal vs this


Noble Dress (side) = slight bubble shape from waist to top





Wedding Dress = waist thickening + shoulder rounding and bust broadening

normal vs this




Sand-Kissed Salwar Ensemble = bust broadening

normal vs this




"Song of the Night" Ensemble = bust broadening

normal vs this




Whisperweft Gala Wear = bust broadening

normal vs this



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Inarre

Actually im glad to see this. When i bought the riding outfit and saw my character in it i nearly cried because i thought i made her manly and never saw it under all the armor. Hopefully theyll stop making costumes look so broad chested. It really does look like the original model was an orc male.

Volkodav

babylon wrote: »

Looks like pigeon chest...which is offensive to those who actually have to deal with this deformity. This "design decision" should be pulled.

No it shouldnt be pulled simply because someone thinks it looks like something that might resemble a pigeon chest on a person.It's a game,not reality.If it were that way, Albinos would gripe about vampires,and very hairy guys would get triggered by Werewolves,etc.Some people have scaly skin in RL,but I dont think they would go on about Argonians triggering them.
The armor should be pulled maybe because it really is too bulky and ugly.But not for anything that might trigger someone.
Or,are you a person with that chest problem? If so,you might want to think about not wearing that particular armor.Just ignore it.

newtinmpls

Leandor wrote: »

, mercenary medium as well as heavy completely obliterate upper chest form on female chars.

While I don't like the .... less feminine look of most armors, I actually do like the way that female mercenary heavy looks.

I really like it.

babylon

Volkodav wrote: »

babylon wrote: »

Looks like pigeon chest...which is offensive to those who actually have to deal with this deformity. This "design decision" should be pulled.

No it shouldnt be pulled simply because someone thinks it looks like something that might resemble a pigeon chest on a person.It's a game,not reality.If it were that way, Albinos would gripe about vampires,and very hairy guys would get triggered by Werewolves,etc.Some people have scaly skin in RL,but I dont think they would go on about Argonians triggering them.
The armor should be pulled maybe because it really is too bulky and ugly.But not for anything that might trigger someone.
Or,are you a person with that chest problem? If so,you might want to think about not wearing that particular armor.Just ignore it.

Are you actually trying to pick a fight while the rest of us are trying to get a problem fixed? No I don't have that "problem" thank you very much, move along if you have nothing good to contribute except an attempt to flame me. Here's my irl pic btw suck it up, nope no chest or other oddness here or in the game.

newtinmpls

@JessicaFolsom

had said:
We're also looking at your reports of armor pieces that have issues with clipping or floating, or can't be dyed. These specific items or armor sets were called out for having clipping issues, floating pieces, and/or undyeable pieces

So I have to ask what about Dunmer medium? It has all those orange/rust colored bits that can't take color?

Very annoying.

Leandor

newtinmpls wrote: »

Leandor wrote: »

, mercenary medium as well as heavy completely obliterate upper chest form on female chars.

While I don't like the .... less feminine look of most armors, I actually do like the way that female mercenary heavy looks.

I really like it.

It doesn't look bad at all, but I would never have used it, because I personally prefer unrealistic armor with body definition over realistic armor.

It's the fact that it was changed that I complained about.

MornaBaine

This is Dunmer Light. See the big area of brown at her waist? That's the part that won't dye. There are areas on all the Daedric that won't dye.

MornaBaine

Merc Light Armor, as mentioned, also does weird things to the chest:

MornaBaine

Clippiing issues on the VR16 reward costume, which I previously created a thread for:

Abeille

MornaBaine wrote: »

This is Daedric Light. See the big area of brown at her waist? That's the part that won't dye. There are areas on all the Daedric that won't dye.

Just a correction: The robe is Dunmer Light.

I have this problem too. My Dunmer wears it, and the brown waist thing was never dyeable. It is reallt bothersome because it is a nice robe overall.

MornaBaine

Abeille wrote: »

MornaBaine wrote: »

This is Daedric Light. See the big area of brown at her waist? That's the part that won't dye. There are areas on all the Daedric that won't dye.

Just a correction: The robe is Dunmer Light.

I have this problem too. My Dunmer wears it, and the brown waist thing was never dyeable. It is reallt bothersome because it is a nice robe overall.

Whoops! You are completely right! My bad and will fix!

SlayerTheDragon

PLEASE LOOK AT THE LEGS. I have complained about these three costumes so many times....... They were fine before 2.3

Sand-Kissed Salwar Ensemble = bust broadening

normal vs this




"Song of the Night" Ensemble = bust broadening

normal vs this




Whisperweft Gala Wear = bust broadening

normal vs this

MornaBaine

Yes, the legs on the various"dancer girl" costumes got VERY weird! This is the only pic I have that is prior to that change and unfortunately it does not show the legs as well as I'd like but there was NO bizarre "thigh gap"!



Harem pants are supposed to look more like THIS:







What you've done instead is...just weird! Please fix!

Elsonso

babylon wrote: »

K here's a comparison between one of the old costumes on same character, and the new costumes. This is all on the same character. You can see massive waist thickening and the bust is widened (like someone whacked a fish eye lens over it) and in some the shoulder area is also rounded off...all taken together giving a very masculine "linebacker" appearance, as if it's a male crossdressing rather than a female in a dress...all of which needs to be fixed. These are costumes I won't buy because they distort the shape of my character so much.

Incidentally I actually gave my character hips in the character creation screen, and in all costumes my characters have boy hips (as in, no hips). Where did my girly shape go? The Corseted Riding Outfit really highlights the oddly boyish hips/thick waist/broadened bust issue very well. That is no woman!

Underneath each image I have provided a quick linked comparison (click normal vs this on each to see the normal body comparison image vs the distorted body costume and flick between both images to more easily see the difference in shape).

@ZOS_JessicaFolsom



NORMAL
Character in Dark Seducer (vet 8 reward costume) - this is the "normal appearance", use this image as comparison to the costumes below which all show distortion of the character's body



_____________________
DISTORTED

High Collared Coin Ball Gown = waist thickening + bust broadening

normal vs this




Corseted Riding Outfit = waist thickening + bust broadening

normal vs this




Off-the-Shoulder Evening Dress = waist thickening + bust broadening

normal vs this




Evening Dress = waist thickening + shoulder rounding and bust broadening

normal vs this




This one isn't terrible, it's just weird and does suffer from distortion of character's actual shape

Noble Dress (front) = waist thinning at front

normal vs this


Noble Dress (side) = slight bubble shape from waist to top





Wedding Dress = waist thickening + shoulder rounding and bust broadening

normal vs this




Sand-Kissed Salwar Ensemble = bust broadening

normal vs this




"Song of the Night" Ensemble = bust broadening

normal vs this




Whisperweft Gala Wear = bust broadening

normal vs this



___________________________

Thanks for this. I intended to do this same thing over the weekend, and might do it anyway. It takes me 15-20 minutes to make a comparison (with measurement markers) per costume, so now that this has been done, I might not have to. Your text description seems to be accurate. All I was going to do differently is show the before and after, with a "ruler". If @ZOS_JessicaFolsom swings by to pick it up, I won't have to do it.


EDIT:

MornaBaine wrote: »

What you've done instead is...just weird! Please fix!

While I agree, I have to wonder whether it is done this way due to clipping. In real life, the fabric touches and deforms when the legs are together. 3D models just run through each other, clip, and it might look even worse.

Daraugh

MornaBaine wrote: »

Merc Light Armor, as mentioned, also does weird things to the chest:

@MornaBaine Thanks for posting this one! I was planning on making this in v16 and would have cried over all of that ancestor silk turning out so awkwardly. I'll stick with the vanilla motifs until this gets sorted out

Laplace

Obviously, the idea to cut corners by only using one mesh, and then using male mesh morphed to look "feminine," failed miserably. I know it wasn't intended, but this obviously would not have happened had they used two different meshes like they did in the beginning with the fourteen original crafting styles.

I find it hard to believe that ZoS can afford to give out a one million dollar prize simply for logging in but can't afford to pay their model designers to make two meshes, one for male and one for female. Hell, go on the Nexus, someone there would probably do it for free. Or one of us would. I guarantee at least one person that plays ESO was involved in the modding community in Skyrim or is with Fallout 4.

Because some of the examples earlier this thread are simply indefensible. Whoever came up with the idea of cutting corners to save a few bucks at female characters' (and players') expense needs to be fired. Not only are these models atrociously ugly, the idea as a whole is borderline sexist, as has been pointed out.

phreatophile

Maybe we're all just spoiled by the quality we see in single player game mods. Can't expect a highly trained and paid team to do better work than one person by themselves on their own time with their own equipment working for free, can we?

TheValkyn

phreatophile wrote: »

Maybe we're all just spoiled by the quality we see in single player game mods. Can't expect a highly trained and paid team to do better work than one person by themselves on their own time with their own equipment working for free, can we?

Ha!

kawazu874b16_ESO

Thanks to ZOS for making me not spending time nor money on things I don't like. So many chapters I don't have to find/loot/buy

MornaBaine

phreatophile wrote: »

Maybe we're all just spoiled by the quality we see in single player game mods. Can't expect a highly trained and paid team to do better work than one person by themselves on their own time with their own equipment working for free, can we?

Okay, admittedly, I laughed. But we have to remember that what you can get away with in a single player game without really impacting performance is a lot more flexible than it is in an MMO. I look at the gorgeous characters I can create in The Sims using Custom Content and LONG for some of that here. Especially when it comes to HAIR! My Sims have WAIST LENGTH HAIR for pete's sake!!! SIGH

LadyNalcarya

Speaking of non-dyeable parts, EP heavy cuirass has several grey spots:

(All dyed Abyssal Beryl so its easier to see them)