Lava Whip

Alucardo

Frawr wrote: »

I want:

-Dragon blood to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuffs. And the dot portion to be an actual hot not this stupid % buff to regen.
-inhale cap of 3 to be removed
-Flaps to be uncapped again
-Battle roar to actually return resource as originally intended.
-Frag shield to explode on all shielded players, not only the caster.
-All dk class shields to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuff

Dk has been nerfed in many ways but the most recent 'sledge hammer' nerfs have hurt hardest of all.

Nbs and sorc have stupid insane burst anf templars can heal themselves to full all day.

Make this class properly tanky again please.

These are pretty good suggestions. When DKs use Igneous SHIELD as more of a utility, you know it sucks as a shield. DB is pure useless in PVP right now, and so not worth the magicka cost. I often wondered if it would work better as a HoT

Frawr

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Alucardo wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

I want:

-Dragon blood to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuffs. And the dot portion to be an actual hot not this stupid % buff to regen.
-inhale cap of 3 to be removed
-Flaps to be uncapped again
-Battle roar to actually return resource as originally intended.
-Frag shield to explode on all shielded players, not only the caster.
-All dk class shields to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuff

Dk has been nerfed in many ways but the most recent 'sledge hammer' nerfs have hurt hardest of all.

Nbs and sorc have stupid insane burst anf templars can heal themselves to full all day.

Make this class properly tanky again please.

These are pretty good suggestions. When DKs use Igneous SHIELD as more of a utility, you know it sucks as a shield. DB is pure useless in PVP right now, and so not worth the magicka cost. I often wondered if it would work better as a HoT

It was originally a hot, as were potions. Then they turned both into the damned regen buff with 1.6.

Sigh.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

I simply have no room for Igneous shield when I play Two-handed / Dual-wield. After slotting a gap closer, an attack, an execute, a cc and an aoe ability, all I have left are buffs (shuffle, vigor, rally, hardened armor, wings) which are all a must. Igneous shield is just not crucial anymore as a stam DK and still.. when they buff Dragon Blood, I may not even use it for magicka DK. You just need to put enough points in Blessed + Quick Recovery and have decent stamina recovery.

pjwb16_ESO

L2P.

Stam DK is probably the best class when it comes to 1v1 boi

Kutsuu

L2P.

OP ruined any chance of this thread being constructive when he claimed that stam DKs are weak in the first post. You could have had a good discussion about this if not for that.

Your first post could have been something more like...

"Stamina DKs do not use many class abilities to do damage and I think there should be more stam morphs in the class in order to promote variety. What do you guys think?"

Option: There should be a stamina whip
Option: Another ability should be converted to stamina (please post about it)
Option: DK does not need more stamina morphs
Option: What's a DK?

At least in this case, you don't polarize 99% of players, and can actually have an on-topic discussion about DK stamina morphs. As it is, this thread is about how weak or how strong DKs are because of the first sentence of the first post.

Moglijuana

My stam DK destroys so idk what you are talking about...My Magicka DK on the other hand is super hard mode. But I still manage to git'r'done!

Derra

L2P.

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

Wait what? I have not heared anything about banning shieldbreaker and tbh I´m against banning it.

Erondil

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Derra wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

Wait what? I have not heared anything about banning shieldbreaker and tbh I´m against banning it.

I think lasto said it will be banned next time.

Quantine

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Are you kidding? Stamina DKs, especially redguard are some of the best chars you can play atm. Or did you conveniently forget about dragonleap, the only ultimate that scales off physical damage(mighty passive) that deals huuuuge damage, is cheap, AoE, knockdown and gives you some resources back cause of your passives?

Or with the heavy attack buff you can basically opt for a one-shot build ala Xeloki.

Or you can be quite tanky with s&b, heroic slash with reverb bash and animation canceling with LA, skill, bash give you so much dps, plus leap as execute or executioner on off bar... On top you get DK muscles and are very survivable both in group and solo.... what do you want more, I don't get it? Stam DK is OP, look at the winners of the EU dueling tournament, the winner is a stam DK, as well as many of the top positions.

In my opinion they need to nerf the one-shot potential of the HA boost skill and buff up poor magicka DKs...

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Quantine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Are you kidding? Stamina DKs, especially redguard are some of the best chars you can play atm. Or did you conveniently forget about dragonleap, the only ultimate that scales off physical damage(mighty passive). Then with the heavy attack buff you can basically opt for a one-shot build ala Xeloki or be quite tanky with s&b, heroic slash with reverb bash and animation canceling with LA, skill, bash give you so much dps, plus leap as execute or executioner on off bar... On top you get DK muscles and are very survivable both in group and solo.... what do you want more, I don't get it? Stam DK is OP, look at the winners of the EU dueling tournament, the winner is a stam DK, as well as many of the top positions.

In my opinion they need to nerf the one-shot potential of the HA boost skill and buff up poor magicka DKs...

I'm done with this discussion, I suggest that you read the rest of the thread.

MaxwellC

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Lol I love how people base their facts on a duel tournament rather than actual analysis or comparisons.

Magicka DKs need flame lash so just make flame lash a attribute skill where the largest pool is where it scales off.
Stam DKs rely a lot on WB especially since we have a utterly pathetic executioner that pales in comparison to any other class; don't get me started on its awful duration along with its high cost to use it.

Quantine

frozywozy wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Are you kidding? Stamina DKs, especially redguard are some of the best chars you can play atm. Or did you conveniently forget about dragonleap, the only ultimate that scales off physical damage(mighty passive). Then with the heavy attack buff you can basically opt for a one-shot build ala Xeloki or be quite tanky with s&b, heroic slash with reverb bash and animation canceling with LA, skill, bash give you so much dps, plus leap as execute or executioner on off bar... On top you get DK muscles and are very survivable both in group and solo.... what do you want more, I don't get it? Stam DK is OP, look at the winners of the EU dueling tournament, the winner is a stam DK, as well as many of the top positions.

In my opinion they need to nerf the one-shot potential of the HA boost skill and buff up poor magicka DKs...

I'm done with this discussion, I suggest that you read the rest of the thread.

I've read. Doesn't mean I can't anwer lol

Frawr

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Frawr wrote: »

As a dk, I don't want a stam whip. It just makes the class more generic.

I want:

-Dragon blood to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuffs. And the dot portion to be an actual hot not this stupid % buff to regen.
-inhale cap of 3 to be removed
-Flaps to be uncapped again
-Battle roar to actually return resource as originally intended.
-Frag shield to explode on all shielded players, not only the caster.
-All dk class shields to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuff

Dk has been nerfed in many ways but the most recent 'sledge hammer' nerfs have hurt hardest of all.

Nbs and sorc have stupid insane burst anf templars can heal themselves to full all day.

Make this class properly tanky again please.

No silly generic stamina whips.

To add to this list:

- for everyone: reset hp back to 1.5 x magic + stamina for a real increase in TTK. god knows why it was reduced.

For DKs
- remove the CC Immunity from chains . Everyone gets free immunity to run away again, making the pull pointless. Even ranged NPCS run right back to their ranged position - its just plain stupid. I can only imagine that the CC Immunity was also a 'flat' change made, like so many others, without giving consideration to individual skills.


Come on - bigger picture please - ' what impact will this change have on the way this class plays'

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Quantine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Are you kidding? Stamina DKs, especially redguard are some of the best chars you can play atm. Or did you conveniently forget about dragonleap, the only ultimate that scales off physical damage(mighty passive). Then with the heavy attack buff you can basically opt for a one-shot build ala Xeloki or be quite tanky with s&b, heroic slash with reverb bash and animation canceling with LA, skill, bash give you so much dps, plus leap as execute or executioner on off bar... On top you get DK muscles and are very survivable both in group and solo.... what do you want more, I don't get it? Stam DK is OP, look at the winners of the EU dueling tournament, the winner is a stam DK, as well as many of the top positions.

In my opinion they need to nerf the one-shot potential of the HA boost skill and buff up poor magicka DKs...

I'm done with this discussion, I suggest that you read the rest of the thread.

I've read. Doesn't mean I can't anwer lol

Well you keep mentioning irrelevant informations about one hand shield when I have been talking about two-handed which doesn't make any sense, but suit yourself.

Quantine

frozywozy wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Quantine wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Are you kidding? Stamina DKs, especially redguard are some of the best chars you can play atm. Or did you conveniently forget about dragonleap, the only ultimate that scales off physical damage(mighty passive). Then with the heavy attack buff you can basically opt for a one-shot build ala Xeloki or be quite tanky with s&b, heroic slash with reverb bash and animation canceling with LA, skill, bash give you so much dps, plus leap as execute or executioner on off bar... On top you get DK muscles and are very survivable both in group and solo.... what do you want more, I don't get it? Stam DK is OP, look at the winners of the EU dueling tournament, the winner is a stam DK, as well as many of the top positions.

In my opinion they need to nerf the one-shot potential of the HA boost skill and buff up poor magicka DKs...

I'm done with this discussion, I suggest that you read the rest of the thread.

I've read. Doesn't mean I can't anwer lol

Well you keep mentioning irrelevant informations about one hand shield when I have been talking about two-handed which doesn't make any sense, but suit yourself.

Just saying there are other options beside 2h.

Btw, wrecking blow+dragonleap is pretty awesome

Kutsuu

L2P.

Frawr wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

As a dk, I don't want a stam whip. It just makes the class more generic.

I want:

-Dragon blood to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuffs. And the dot portion to be an actual hot not this stupid % buff to regen.
-inhale cap of 3 to be removed
-Flaps to be uncapped again
-Battle roar to actually return resource as originally intended.
-Frag shield to explode on all shielded players, not only the caster.
-All dk class shields to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuff

Dk has been nerfed in many ways but the most recent 'sledge hammer' nerfs have hurt hardest of all.

Nbs and sorc have stupid insane burst anf templars can heal themselves to full all day.

Make this class properly tanky again please.

No silly generic stamina whips.

To add to this list:

- for everyone: reset hp back to 1.5 x magic + stamina for a real increase in TTK. god knows why it was reduced.

For DKs
- remove the CC Immunity from chains (whats the point of pulling someone who is then given free immunity - this worked better in the early game)

Instead of CC immunity, it should probably just apply an immunity to chains (a debuff that stays on target) for a certain period of time. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of DKs playing hacky sack with other players for the "lulz"

Alcast

L2P.

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

Sanct16

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

which "counter" would that be?

Frawr

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Kutsuu wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

Frawr wrote: »

As a dk, I don't want a stam whip. It just makes the class more generic.

I want:

-Dragon blood to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuffs. And the dot portion to be an actual hot not this stupid % buff to regen.
-inhale cap of 3 to be removed
-Flaps to be uncapped again
-Battle roar to actually return resource as originally intended.
-Frag shield to explode on all shielded players, not only the caster.
-All dk class shields to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuff

Dk has been nerfed in many ways but the most recent 'sledge hammer' nerfs have hurt hardest of all.

Nbs and sorc have stupid insane burst anf templars can heal themselves to full all day.

Make this class properly tanky again please.

No silly generic stamina whips.

To add to this list:

- for everyone: reset hp back to 1.5 x magic + stamina for a real increase in TTK. god knows why it was reduced.

For DKs
- remove the CC Immunity from chains (whats the point of pulling someone who is then given free immunity - this worked better in the early game)

Instead of CC immunity, it should probably just apply an immunity to chains (a debuff that stays on target) for a certain period of time. Otherwise you end up with a bunch of DKs playing hacky sack with other players for the "lulz"

that's true. Id love to test that.

Erondil

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

Sure they can, but they need to change a lot of abilities to do so, and a build entirely made to counter shieldbreaker wouldn't work well agaisnt any other specc. I didn't qq, I don't care if shieldbreaker is banned or not because I can deal with it but its just a *** mechanic.
No, of course there is no universal build, but IF you had cared to read the rules, its not allowed to swap gear/skill between each fight of the tournament (which is a good thing imo), the point is to make a build competitive agaisnt every kind of ennemies and that is based on killing the opponent not only survive. To deal with shieldbreaker sorc has to run too specific builds so wouldn't be competitive agaisnt other specc, and considering it's the only mechanic like that, it's a reason to ban shieldbreaker during a duel tournament imho (eventhough once again, I don't mind fighting agaisnt it).

Sanct16 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

which "counter" would that be?

A specific build that gives up at least 5 skill slot just to counter shieldbreaker.

Xsorus

Sanct16 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

which "counter" would that be?

the same counter every other damage ability has in this game..

Healing

Takllin

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

Sure they can, but they need to change a lot of abilities to do so, and a build entirely made to counter shieldbreaker wouldn't work well agaisnt any other specc. I didn't qq, I don't care if shieldbreaker is banned or not because I can deal with it but its just a *** mechanic.
No, of course there is no universal build, but IF you had cared to read the rules, its not allowed to swap gear/skill between each fight of the tournament (which is a good thing imo), the point is to make a build competitive agaisnt every kind of ennemies and that is based on killing the opponent not only survive. To deal with shieldbreaker sorc has to run too specific builds so wouldn't be competitive agaisnt other specc, and considering it's the only mechanic like that, it's a reason to ban shieldbreaker during a duel tournament imho (eventhough once again, I don't mind fighting agaisnt it).

Sanct16 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

which "counter" would that be?

A specific build that gives up at least 5 skill slot just to counter shieldbreaker.

5 slots??

Erondil

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Takllin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

Sure they can, but they need to change a lot of abilities to do so, and a build entirely made to counter shieldbreaker wouldn't work well agaisnt any other specc. I didn't qq, I don't care if shieldbreaker is banned or not because I can deal with it but its just a *** mechanic.
No, of course there is no universal build, but IF you had cared to read the rules, its not allowed to swap gear/skill between each fight of the tournament (which is a good thing imo), the point is to make a build competitive agaisnt every kind of ennemies and that is based on killing the opponent not only survive. To deal with shieldbreaker sorc has to run too specific builds so wouldn't be competitive agaisnt other specc, and considering it's the only mechanic like that, it's a reason to ban shieldbreaker during a duel tournament imho (eventhough once again, I don't mind fighting agaisnt it).

Sanct16 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

which "counter" would that be?

A specific build that gives up at least 5 skill slot just to counter shieldbreaker.

5 slots??

Purge rapid regen healing ward surge blessing/healing springs.

Takllin

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Erondil wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

Sure they can, but they need to change a lot of abilities to do so, and a build entirely made to counter shieldbreaker wouldn't work well agaisnt any other specc. I didn't qq, I don't care if shieldbreaker is banned or not because I can deal with it but its just a *** mechanic.
No, of course there is no universal build, but IF you had cared to read the rules, its not allowed to swap gear/skill between each fight of the tournament (which is a good thing imo), the point is to make a build competitive agaisnt every kind of ennemies and that is based on killing the opponent not only survive. To deal with shieldbreaker sorc has to run too specific builds so wouldn't be competitive agaisnt other specc, and considering it's the only mechanic like that, it's a reason to ban shieldbreaker during a duel tournament imho (eventhough once again, I don't mind fighting agaisnt it).

Sanct16 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

which "counter" would that be?

A specific build that gives up at least 5 skill slot just to counter shieldbreaker.

5 slots??

Purge rapid regen healing ward surge blessing/healing springs.

Sorry, I don't duel much, but you'll have to explain this one to me.

It would seem that Healing Ward against Shieldbreaker is not a good ability to slot. I see most Sorcs in their dueling setups using Healing Ward, why not just swap out that for Combat Prayer or Blessing?

Why do you need Purge against Shieldbreaker? I think having that many healing skills is overkill, but again, I don't duel.

Erondil

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Takllin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

Sure they can, but they need to change a lot of abilities to do so, and a build entirely made to counter shieldbreaker wouldn't work well agaisnt any other specc. I didn't qq, I don't care if shieldbreaker is banned or not because I can deal with it but its just a *** mechanic.
No, of course there is no universal build, but IF you had cared to read the rules, its not allowed to swap gear/skill between each fight of the tournament (which is a good thing imo), the point is to make a build competitive agaisnt every kind of ennemies and that is based on killing the opponent not only survive. To deal with shieldbreaker sorc has to run too specific builds so wouldn't be competitive agaisnt other specc, and considering it's the only mechanic like that, it's a reason to ban shieldbreaker during a duel tournament imho (eventhough once again, I don't mind fighting agaisnt it).

Sanct16 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

which "counter" would that be?

A specific build that gives up at least 5 skill slot just to counter shieldbreaker.

5 slots??

Purge rapid regen healing ward surge blessing/healing springs.

Sorry, I don't duel much, but you'll have to explain this one to me.

It would seem that Healing Ward against Shieldbreaker is not a good ability to slot. I see most Sorcs in their dueling setups using Healing Ward, why not just swap out that for Combat Prayer or Blessing?

Why do you need Purge against Shieldbreaker? I think having that many healing skills is overkill, but again, I don't duel.

You need healing ward or maybe hardened to counter all other damages (I'm assuming the shieldbreaker user doesnt only spam light attacks ofc). You need purge because you can't outheal shieldbreaker if you're heal debuffed (disease procc for example) even with blessing of resto spam+rapid regen up

Xsorus

Erondil wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

Sure they can, but they need to change a lot of abilities to do so, and a build entirely made to counter shieldbreaker wouldn't work well agaisnt any other specc. I didn't qq, I don't care if shieldbreaker is banned or not because I can deal with it but its just a *** mechanic.
No, of course there is no universal build, but IF you had cared to read the rules, its not allowed to swap gear/skill between each fight of the tournament (which is a good thing imo), the point is to make a build competitive agaisnt every kind of ennemies and that is based on killing the opponent not only survive. To deal with shieldbreaker sorc has to run too specific builds so wouldn't be competitive agaisnt other specc, and considering it's the only mechanic like that, it's a reason to ban shieldbreaker during a duel tournament imho (eventhough once again, I don't mind fighting agaisnt it).

Sanct16 wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

which "counter" would that be?

A specific build that gives up at least 5 skill slot just to counter shieldbreaker.

5 slots??

Purge rapid regen healing ward surge blessing/healing springs.

2 of those abilities you most certainly going to be using in your dueling build anyway

Purge and Healing Ward

Hell i'd even say Crit Surge is probably going to be used also

Erondil

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Xsorus wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Erondil wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

Sure they can, but they need to change a lot of abilities to do so, and a build entirely made to counter shieldbreaker wouldn't work well agaisnt any other specc. I didn't qq, I don't care if shieldbreaker is banned or not because I can deal with it but its just a *** mechanic.
No, of course there is no universal build, but IF you had cared to read the rules, its not allowed to swap gear/skill between each fight of the tournament (which is a good thing imo), the point is to make a build competitive agaisnt every kind of ennemies and that is based on killing the opponent not only survive. To deal with shieldbreaker sorc has to run too specific builds so wouldn't be competitive agaisnt other specc, and considering it's the only mechanic like that, it's a reason to ban shieldbreaker during a duel tournament imho (eventhough once again, I don't mind fighting agaisnt it).

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Minsc wrote: »

Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)

So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!

Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha

Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.

I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the case

I would like to see how you manage to survive with a sorc agaisnt any good player using shieldbreaker, with a build made to face every other specc and able to kill something. (Cant change skills between each fight)
As you repeat quite often you dont duel, dont comment on things you have no experience in please.
I was participating with a magicka nightblade (no, not sorc, shieldbreaker isnt completely *** only agaisnt sorc) and I can say shieldbreaker was a big problem. Not the reason I lost agaisnt some good players using it, sure I could manage to deal with it but still it was stupid, even in a 1v1. Also "ban people for using a set"=/="ban a set" everybody will be able to participate, but they wont be allowed to use shieldbreaker.

Sorcs can counter Shieldbreaker. And I hope it is a problem, why would you use it otherwise? OMG it damages my HP through shield, better QQ and ban that stuff

And there is no "universal" build for every situation.

which "counter" would that be?

A specific build that gives up at least 5 skill slot just to counter shieldbreaker.

5 slots??

Purge rapid regen healing ward surge blessing/healing springs.

2 of those abilities you most certainly going to be using in your dueling build anyway

Purge and Healing Ward

Hell i'd even say Crit Surge is probably going to be used also

Personally I wouldn't use purge on duel as sorc. Healing Ward I would, but I can see a build without it, without resto staff even, working (with surge though). Surge vs entropy vs spell power pot, there is match too.

Laggus

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Lol at all the Sorcs and NBs that fear the whip and voted no.

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Laggus wrote: »

Lol at all the Sorcs and NBs that fear the whip and voted no.

BuggeX

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

are you for real?

DONT TAKE AWAY OUR ONLY EXECUTE........