Lava Whip

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Some people are so behind the meta it's not even funny. I don't really know what to say to you to be honest.

Wanna prove me wrong? Win a duel against Aenir, Fengrush or Essa.

Kutsuu

L2P.

My stam DK wants a stam morph of Stonefist much more than a whip morph, given the choice. Due to the elemental expert setup and the ease of cleansing dots in PVP, I think the whip/elemental expert setup would be more suitable for PVE... where magicka DKs still reign supreme. But heck I'm 99% a PVP player so I could be wrong.

Stone Giant is so rarely used since Rstaff healer usually provides the minor resolve in PVE that it makes a perfect candidate to be Staminized.

Nafirian

Tower_Of_Shame wrote: »

Nafirian wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

How do you find that Stam DK's are at the bottom of the food chain? :S
Stam anything is in a very good position.

Compared to other classes 1v1, I.E Stamplars, Magicka Sorcs, Stamina & Magicka NBs, we're below them.

LOVE THE TURTLE

EU dueling tourney what happend 2 weeks ago 3/4 top 4 were stam DKs.

Clueless monkeys that's why Miruku xD

wheny they say stam dk is bad I was like this:

I made a stam dk its so op still prefer magicka tho magicka dk isnt any rofl class anyone who says stam dk is weak.

Master_Kas

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Xvorg wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.

NB have stamina based heal (one being an AoE)
Sorcs have a stamina based heal (and magicka regain)
Templars have a 0 cost Major Forti/Major endurance skill

DKs... have dragon balls... only 3 wishes and you're out (and the dragon is not so powerful as he used to be)

But I agree, Magicka DKs need a lot of love and care. I don't mind losing the extra dmg with fire for a heal in both morphs

Ok, everyone has Vigor...

Correction, its only sap essence the magicka morph which heals. But thats based of magicka/spelldamage.

The other morph, power extraction, which is stamina, doesn't heal you, costs stamina/scales of wpdmg but scales with thaumatage CP not mighty so its pretty bad.

If you mean vigor, stamdk's got access to that aswell, and boost it by 30% + with ignesious and Draconic passives.

On topic: Stamina DK is very strong at the moment, what game are you playing?

WB -> LA -> Leap -> Execitoner can finish of most of the specs in the game very very fast. Only ultimate which scales with mighty, does crapton of damage, is cheap, returns resources and look awsome.

Tough I'm all for a stamina whip, since I'd love to run my stamina dk with DW and spam a physical whip of pain

Daveheart

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

I don't think DKs need a stamina whip to be competitive; however, I do think a stamina morph for whip would make stamina builds more interesting.

Xvorg

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Master_Kas wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.

NB have stamina based heal (one being an AoE)
Sorcs have a stamina based heal (and magicka regain)
Templars have a 0 cost Major Forti/Major endurance skill

DKs... have dragon balls... only 3 wishes and you're out (and the dragon is not so powerful as he used to be)

But I agree, Magicka DKs need a lot of love and care. I don't mind losing the extra dmg with fire for a heal in both morphs

Ok, everyone has Vigor...

Correction, its only sap essence the magicka morph which heals. But thats based of magicka/spelldamage.

The other morph, power extraction, which is stamina, doesn't heal you, costs stamina/scales of wpdmg but scales with thaumatage CP not mighty so its pretty bad.

If you mean vigor, stamdk's got access to that aswell, and boost it by 30% + with ignesious and Draconic passives.

Byebye

You're right, shame on me.

Killer's blade?

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Nafirian wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

How do you find that Stam DK's are at the bottom of the food chain? :S
Stam anything is in a very good position.

Compared to other classes 1v1, I.E Stamplars, Magicka Sorcs, Stamina & Magicka NBs, we're below them.

LOVE THE TURTLE

EU dueling tourney what happend 2 weeks ago 3/4 top 4 were stam DKs.

You guys have to take skill into factor not the classes in general. I'm not saying stam DKs always lose. If you take an equally skilled Magicka Sorc v Stamknight, Stam or Magicka NB v Stamknight, Stamplars v Stamknight, stam knight will always lose. When the amount of skill of a given player / computer probs / stats / pots used, the battles can go any way. In my opinion (most people's opinions) all classes should have equal opportunities on how they build their characters w/ the exception of class defining skills, I.E streak, wings, temp. heals, cloak.

Maulkin

Kutsuu wrote: »

My stam DK wants a stam morph of Stonefist much more than a whip morph, given the choice. Due to the elemental expert setup and the ease of cleansing dots in PVP, I think the whip/elemental expert setup would be more suitable for PVE... where magicka DKs still reign supreme. But heck I'm 99% a PVP player so I could be wrong.

Stone Giant is so rarely used since Rstaff healer usually provides the minor resolve in PVE that it makes a perfect candidate to be Staminized.

Now there's someone who's thinking straight.

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Some people are so behind the meta it's not even funny. I don't really know what to say to you to be honest.

Wanna prove me wrong? Win a duel against Aenir, Fengrush or Essa.

We're on different megaservers and I main a magicka Sorc, so that might be a problem. I am however leveling a stam DK, precisely because they are extremely strong at the moment.

IxskullzxI

Flame lash a stam morph. Dear gawd help us all. Anything else you guys want to take away from magicka DK's?

Maulkin

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

You guys have to take skill into factor not the classes in general. I'm not saying stam DKs always lose. If you take an equally skilled Magicka Sorc v Stamknight, Stam or Magicka NB v Stamknight, Stamplars v Stamknight, stam knight will always lose .

This is like one of those comedies where you can't tell if it's just bad or soo bad that it somehow ends up being funny.

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Master_Kas wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.

NB have stamina based heal (one being an AoE)
Sorcs have a stamina based heal (and magicka regain)
Templars have a 0 cost Major Forti/Major endurance skill

DKs... have dragon balls... only 3 wishes and you're out (and the dragon is not so powerful as he used to be)

But I agree, Magicka DKs need a lot of love and care. I don't mind losing the extra dmg with fire for a heal in both morphs

Ok, everyone has Vigor...

Correction, its only sap essence the magicka morph which heals. But thats based of magicka/spelldamage.

The other morph, power extraction, which is stamina, doesn't heal you, costs stamina/scales of wpdmg but scales with thaumatage CP not mighty so its pretty bad.

If you mean vigor, stamdk's got access to that aswell, and boost it by 30% + with ignesious and Draconic passives.

On topic: Stamina DK is very strong at the moment, what game are you playing?

WB -> LA -> Leap -> Execitoner can finish of most of the specs in the game very very fast. Only ultimate which scales with mighty, does crapton of damage, is cheap, returns resources and look awsome.

Tough I'm all for a stamina whip, since I'd love to run my stamina dk with DW and spam a physical whip of pain

That whole combo is so easily avoidable. Any good NB won't let you get a WB off to begin with, and leap can be dodged w/ one roll dodge and sadly you can even break WB fast enough to the point where you can dodge the incoming leap too.

Nafirian

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Nafirian wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

How do you find that Stam DK's are at the bottom of the food chain? :S
Stam anything is in a very good position.

Compared to other classes 1v1, I.E Stamplars, Magicka Sorcs, Stamina & Magicka NBs, we're below them.

LOVE THE TURTLE

EU dueling tourney what happend 2 weeks ago 3/4 top 4 were stam DKs.

You guys have to take skill into factor not the classes in general. I'm not saying stam DKs always lose. If you take an equally skilled Magicka Sorc v Stamknight, Stam or Magicka NB v Stamknight, Stamplars v Stamknight, stam knight will always lose. When the amount of skill of a given player / computer probs / stats / pots used, the battles can go any way. In my opinion (most people's opinions) all classes should have equal opportunities on how they build their characters w/ the exception of class defining skills, I.E streak, wings, temp. heals, cloak.

All 3 of these stam dks went up against extrmely good players of their own skill level. Next argument?

Kutsuu

L2P.

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.

NB have stamina based heal (one being an AoE)
Sorcs have a stamina based heal (and magicka regain)
Templars have a 0 cost Major Forti/Major endurance skill

DKs... have dragon balls... only 3 wishes and you're out (and the dragon is not so powerful as he used to be)

But I agree, Magicka DKs need a lot of love and care. I don't mind losing the extra dmg with fire for a heal in both morphs

Ok, everyone has Vigor...

Correction, its only sap essence the magicka morph which heals. But thats based of magicka/spelldamage.

The other morph, power extraction, which is stamina, doesn't heal you, costs stamina/scales of wpdmg but scales with thaumatage CP not mighty so its pretty bad.

If you mean vigor, stamdk's got access to that aswell, and boost it by 30% + with ignesious and Draconic passives.

On topic: Stamina DK is very strong at the moment, what game are you playing?

WB -> LA -> Leap -> Execitoner can finish of most of the specs in the game very very fast. Only ultimate which scales with mighty, does crapton of damage, is cheap, returns resources and look awsome.

Tough I'm all for a stamina whip, since I'd love to run my stamina dk with DW and spam a physical whip of pain

That whole combo is so easily avoidable. Any good NB won't let you get a WB off to begin with, and leap can be dodged w/ one roll dodge and sadly you can even break WB fast enough to the point where you can dodge the incoming leap too.

Landing attacks is an issue for everyone. People being able to avoid damage is not unique to stamina DKs. The point remains that DK has the best physical damage ultimate in the game (only?), has better heals than stamina NB/Templar thanks to Igneous greater mending + Vigor (debatable vs sorc with crit surge since crit surge won't help against shields), and has the strongest opening damage currently available with Molten heavy attacks from stealth. Enough playing the victim.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

My stam DK wants a stam morph of Stonefist much more than a whip morph, given the choice. Due to the elemental expert setup and the ease of cleansing dots in PVP, I think the whip/elemental expert setup would be more suitable for PVE... where magicka DKs still reign supreme. But heck I'm 99% a PVP player so I could be wrong.

Stone Giant is so rarely used since Rstaff healer usually provides the minor resolve in PVE that it makes a perfect candidate to be Staminized.

Now there's someone who's thinking straight.

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Some people are so behind the meta it's not even funny. I don't really know what to say to you to be honest.

Wanna prove me wrong? Win a duel against Aenir, Fengrush or Essa.

We're on different megaservers and I main a magicka Sorc, so that might be a problem. I am however leveling a stam DK, precisely because they are extremely strong at the moment.

When you win on your fully leveled, geared, comprehended stam DK against a competitive stam sorc/templar/nightblade, feel free to comment again. Until that happen, trust me, I play a stam DK on a regular basis and I consider myself pretty good at it.

Kutsuu

L2P.

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

My stam DK wants a stam morph of Stonefist much more than a whip morph, given the choice. Due to the elemental expert setup and the ease of cleansing dots in PVP, I think the whip/elemental expert setup would be more suitable for PVE... where magicka DKs still reign supreme. But heck I'm 99% a PVP player so I could be wrong.

Stone Giant is so rarely used since Rstaff healer usually provides the minor resolve in PVE that it makes a perfect candidate to be Staminized.

Now there's someone who's thinking straight.

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Some people are so behind the meta it's not even funny. I don't really know what to say to you to be honest.

Wanna prove me wrong? Win a duel against Aenir, Fengrush or Essa.

We're on different megaservers and I main a magicka Sorc, so that might be a problem. I am however leveling a stam DK, precisely because they are extremely strong at the moment.

When you win on your fully leveled, geared, comprehended stam DK against a competitive stam sorc/templar/nightblade, feel free to comment again. Until that happen, trust me, I play a stam DK on a regular basis and I consider myself pretty good at it.

That's a big issue around these forums. People who take themselves out of the equation when they have an issue with the game, because they consider themselves so good at it. We all have room to learn...

Xvorg

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Master_Kas wrote: »

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On topic: Stamina DK is very strong at the moment, what game are you playing?

Clone wars, of curse. Or was it clowns? Must have been clones. Clowns don't stink that much

Maulkin

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

My stam DK wants a stam morph of Stonefist much more than a whip morph, given the choice. Due to the elemental expert setup and the ease of cleansing dots in PVP, I think the whip/elemental expert setup would be more suitable for PVE... where magicka DKs still reign supreme. But heck I'm 99% a PVP player so I could be wrong.

Stone Giant is so rarely used since Rstaff healer usually provides the minor resolve in PVE that it makes a perfect candidate to be Staminized.

Now there's someone who's thinking straight.

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Some people are so behind the meta it's not even funny. I don't really know what to say to you to be honest.

Wanna prove me wrong? Win a duel against Aenir, Fengrush or Essa.

We're on different megaservers and I main a magicka Sorc, so that might be a problem. I am however leveling a stam DK, precisely because they are extremely strong at the moment.

When you win on your fully leveled, geared, comprehended stam DK against a competitive stam sorc/templar/nightblade, feel free to comment again. Until that happen, trust me, I play a stam DK on a regular basis and I consider myself pretty good at it.

Right. So, I should completely discredit the personal experience of playing with or against the best stam DKs the EU has to offer (my Arena guild mates) and trust your word instead. Got it!

WRX

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Stam DK you so fine, you so fine you blow my mind.

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Nafirian wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Nafirian wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

How do you find that Stam DK's are at the bottom of the food chain? :S
Stam anything is in a very good position.

Compared to other classes 1v1, I.E Stamplars, Magicka Sorcs, Stamina & Magicka NBs, we're below them.

LOVE THE TURTLE

EU dueling tourney what happend 2 weeks ago 3/4 top 4 were stam DKs.

You guys have to take skill into factor not the classes in general. I'm not saying stam DKs always lose. If you take an equally skilled Magicka Sorc v Stamknight, Stam or Magicka NB v Stamknight, Stamplars v Stamknight, stam knight will always lose. When the amount of skill of a given player / computer probs / stats / pots used, the battles can go any way. In my opinion (most people's opinions) all classes should have equal opportunities on how they build their characters w/ the exception of class defining skills, I.E streak, wings, temp. heals, cloak.

All 3 of these stam dks went up against extrmely good players of their own skill level. Next argument?

When the amount of skill of a given player / computer probs / stats / pots used, the battles can go any way. First, seems like you didn't read thoroughly. Second, arguing who won what isn't going to do anything.Thirdly, I'm just trying to further the point that all classes should be brought on par.

Rust_in_Peace

Stam DK is stronk.

Stam whip? Eh, maybe if they do something interesting with it. Last thing I'd like to see is just a clone of surprise attack with an 8 yard range.

We will just have to wait for the big upcoming class changes and see what happens.

Suru

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Master_Kas

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Xvorg wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.

NB have stamina based heal (one being an AoE)
Sorcs have a stamina based heal (and magicka regain)
Templars have a 0 cost Major Forti/Major endurance skill

DKs... have dragon balls... only 3 wishes and you're out (and the dragon is not so powerful as he used to be)

But I agree, Magicka DKs need a lot of love and care. I don't mind losing the extra dmg with fire for a heal in both morphs

Ok, everyone has Vigor...

Correction, its only sap essence the magicka morph which heals. But thats based of magicka/spelldamage.

The other morph, power extraction, which is stamina, doesn't heal you, costs stamina/scales of wpdmg but scales with thaumatage CP not mighty so its pretty bad.

If you mean vigor, stamdk's got access to that aswell, and boost it by 30% + with ignesious and Draconic passives.

Byebye

You're right, shame on me.

Killer's blade?

Still not a AoE heal, and it heals you for 20% of your health when you kill an enemy with it (10% in cyrodiil thanks to the battlespirit) , meaning it won't do you any good in combat when you need a heal.

Same goes for the piercing mark, heal on kill.

For stam; vigor, rally
For mana; Resto heals and siphoning skills

Shame! But you are forgiven

DUTCH_REAPER

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Great....now we're gonna start hearing (Stam morph for crystal frags). Ugh.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Kutsuu wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

My stam DK wants a stam morph of Stonefist much more than a whip morph, given the choice. Due to the elemental expert setup and the ease of cleansing dots in PVP, I think the whip/elemental expert setup would be more suitable for PVE... where magicka DKs still reign supreme. But heck I'm 99% a PVP player so I could be wrong.

Stone Giant is so rarely used since Rstaff healer usually provides the minor resolve in PVE that it makes a perfect candidate to be Staminized.

Now there's someone who's thinking straight.

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Some people are so behind the meta it's not even funny. I don't really know what to say to you to be honest.

Wanna prove me wrong? Win a duel against Aenir, Fengrush or Essa.

We're on different megaservers and I main a magicka Sorc, so that might be a problem. I am however leveling a stam DK, precisely because they are extremely strong at the moment.

When you win on your fully leveled, geared, comprehended stam DK against a competitive stam sorc/templar/nightblade, feel free to comment again. Until that happen, trust me, I play a stam DK on a regular basis and I consider myself pretty good at it.

That's a big issue around these forums. People who take themselves out of the equation when they have an issue with the game, because they consider themselves so good at it. We all have room to learn...

I never said at any point that I didn't have anything left to learn. I said that I consider myself good enough to comprehend and to have an opinion on Stam DK on the stamina food chain. Big difference.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

My stam DK wants a stam morph of Stonefist much more than a whip morph, given the choice. Due to the elemental expert setup and the ease of cleansing dots in PVP, I think the whip/elemental expert setup would be more suitable for PVE... where magicka DKs still reign supreme. But heck I'm 99% a PVP player so I could be wrong.

Stone Giant is so rarely used since Rstaff healer usually provides the minor resolve in PVE that it makes a perfect candidate to be Staminized.

Now there's someone who's thinking straight.

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Some people are so behind the meta it's not even funny. I don't really know what to say to you to be honest.

Wanna prove me wrong? Win a duel against Aenir, Fengrush or Essa.

We're on different megaservers and I main a magicka Sorc, so that might be a problem. I am however leveling a stam DK, precisely because they are extremely strong at the moment.

When you win on your fully leveled, geared, comprehended stam DK against a competitive stam sorc/templar/nightblade, feel free to comment again. Until that happen, trust me, I play a stam DK on a regular basis and I consider myself pretty good at it.

Right. So, I should completely discredit the personal experience of playing with or against the best stam DKs the EU has to offer (my Arena guild mates) and trust your word instead. Got it!

You won't trust my words when I say I'm good enough on my stamDK to know what I'm talking about, but on the other end, the fact that you lose on your magicka sorc against stam DKs should be a strong enough fact to make me change my mind? Got it!

Btw, I don't have any troubles with magicka sorcs usually. All I have been talking about was related to stamina specs. So once again, your thoughts, as a magicka sorc, have no impact whatsoever.

Master_Kas

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.

NB have stamina based heal (one being an AoE)
Sorcs have a stamina based heal (and magicka regain)
Templars have a 0 cost Major Forti/Major endurance skill

DKs... have dragon balls... only 3 wishes and you're out (and the dragon is not so powerful as he used to be)

But I agree, Magicka DKs need a lot of love and care. I don't mind losing the extra dmg with fire for a heal in both morphs

Ok, everyone has Vigor...

Correction, its only sap essence the magicka morph which heals. But thats based of magicka/spelldamage.

The other morph, power extraction, which is stamina, doesn't heal you, costs stamina/scales of wpdmg but scales with thaumatage CP not mighty so its pretty bad.

If you mean vigor, stamdk's got access to that aswell, and boost it by 30% + with ignesious and Draconic passives.

On topic: Stamina DK is very strong at the moment, what game are you playing?

WB -> LA -> Leap -> Execitoner can finish of most of the specs in the game very very fast. Only ultimate which scales with mighty, does crapton of damage, is cheap, returns resources and look awsome.

Tough I'm all for a stamina whip, since I'd love to run my stamina dk with DW and spam a physical whip of pain

That whole combo is so easily avoidable. Any good NB won't let you get a WB off to begin with, and leap can be dodged w/ one roll dodge and sadly you can even break WB fast enough to the point where you can dodge the incoming leap too.

Any good nb won't let you get of a WB ? Since you're talking about dodgeroll, almost every ability in the game can be dodged. I've fought multiple NB's who are good and who have eaten the full combo. Also you can dodgeroll ambush/surpriseattack/dodgeroll through the biting jabs templar, dodge the stam sorcs wrecking blow/crit charge etc.

Not even speaking of the block/roll nerf, sooner or later they'll eat that wrecking blow take flight. You can also time WB so it hits just after the persons roll is done. Don't know how it's on the NA server. But on EU there are popping up more and more stamina dk's and there's a reason for that.

(Some credit goes to Alcast/Xeloki's videos tough xD)

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Kutsuu wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Master_Kas wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.

NB have stamina based heal (one being an AoE)
Sorcs have a stamina based heal (and magicka regain)
Templars have a 0 cost Major Forti/Major endurance skill

DKs... have dragon balls... only 3 wishes and you're out (and the dragon is not so powerful as he used to be)

But I agree, Magicka DKs need a lot of love and care. I don't mind losing the extra dmg with fire for a heal in both morphs

Ok, everyone has Vigor...

Correction, its only sap essence the magicka morph which heals. But thats based of magicka/spelldamage.

The other morph, power extraction, which is stamina, doesn't heal you, costs stamina/scales of wpdmg but scales with thaumatage CP not mighty so its pretty bad.

If you mean vigor, stamdk's got access to that aswell, and boost it by 30% + with ignesious and Draconic passives.

On topic: Stamina DK is very strong at the moment, what game are you playing?

WB -> LA -> Leap -> Execitoner can finish of most of the specs in the game very very fast. Only ultimate which scales with mighty, does crapton of damage, is cheap, returns resources and look awsome.

Tough I'm all for a stamina whip, since I'd love to run my stamina dk with DW and spam a physical whip of pain

That whole combo is so easily avoidable. Any good NB won't let you get a WB off to begin with, and leap can be dodged w/ one roll dodge and sadly you can even break WB fast enough to the point where you can dodge the incoming leap too.

Landing attacks is an issue for everyone. People being able to avoid damage is not unique to stamina DKs. The point remains that DK has the best physical damage ultimate in the game (only?), has better heals than stamina NB/Templar thanks to Igneous greater mending + Vigor (debatable vs sorc with crit surge since crit surge won't help against shields), and has the strongest opening damage currently available with Molten heavy attacks from stealth. Enough playing the victim.

Going in order of bolded areas in the quote: Stam DKs like Stam Sorcs are reduced to having to charge a WB which may hit hard but is easily countered, the point of the thread is to address stam DKs keep in mind (I'm a more than above average player in all classes I play, it's not like I can't log onto another toon and forget DK). You can argue NBs can achieve the highest regen and can use cloak as a relief skill, restoring focus is ncreases healing (outside of the focus too despite the desc., and purifying ritual provides extra healing when within due to the tree passive (correct me if it's only for class healing). And opening damage is only useful with the type of setup you're referring to if you're in stealth which 60% of the time you're stuck in combat anyhow.

Master_Kas

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

Check the latest arena dueling tournament video. Basiclly the top EU players from all classes and specs fighting.

Xeloki was an example I think, and he actually knows what he's doing both PvP and PvE wise.

1vX , in this patch? Not even nightblades can survive solo (without ganking and sneaking into the shadows) because they get marked, AoEd, detectpoted, spammed to death if they engage multiple half competent players.

You guys starting to sound like the forumblades and forumsorcs now , wanting to buff an already strong spec

Once again I'm not against a stamwhip, just you and the OP acting like stamina dk is the weakest spec in the game atm.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Master_Kas wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

Check the latest arena dueling tournament video. Basiclly the top EU players from all classes and specs fighting.

Xeloki was an example I think, and he actually knows what he's doing both PvP and PvE wise.

Wait so does that mean that during the last arena 1v1 dueling tournament video, stam DKs won in most situations? If this is what you're saying, give me a link pretty pls! I gotta watch it to believe it.

1vX , in this patch? Not even nightblades can survive solo (without ganking and sneaking into the shadows) because they get marked, AoEd, detectpoted, spammed to death if they engage multiple half competent players.

You guys starting to sound like the forumblades and forumsorcs now , wanting to buff an already strong spec

Once again I'm not against a stamwhip, just you and the OP acting like stamina dk is the weakest spec in the game atm.

There is a difference between opening and one shotting an enemy from stealth who doesn't even realized what just happened to him (what Alcast shows in most of his videos) and using the shadows INTO a fight (stam nightblade). Do I really have to justify that? Pathetic.

Kutsuu

L2P.

You're just overflowing with excuses. The only class-based instant stamina/physical ability belongs to NB. Everyone else has options to either choose channeled or instant damage from the bow/sword+board/2h/DW weapon lines. Many DKs choose to use 1h/shield should they desire an instant damage ability. Let's keep in mind that there are MANY skill lines in this game, and only 3 are class-based. This gives you the option to pick an ability from a non-class skill line when you don't have a class ability that fits your desires, and it doesn't mean that your class is bad when you "have to" use a non-class ability.

You're offering cloak as a reason that you think NBs have better healing than DKs... that doesn't make sense. Not only are there many ways to counter it, but it's not a healing ability. Again, major mending from igneous directly modifies the heals that all of the stamina classes use - Rally and Vigor. It's no small bonus, either.