Lava Whip

dodgehopper_ESO

I actually have no problem with the idea of a stamina whip, but I'm not sure it is the best method. I think it would be more appropriate to make igneous weapons last longer. From the standpoint of cool moves though I do not have a huge problem with a stamina whip. I'll say this though: Templars will need a better version of jabs if they do this. Jabs as-is is not particularly good. I'm not saying it doesn't have its uses, particularly for magicka temps but on a stamina build I think its more bad than good. The class has nowhere near the quality of cc that DK's have, for instance. The templar proc is weaker, fires less, and the jab itself only does good dps if all hits fire: Not a good thing when its easy to avoid and counter. Compare Toppling Charge+Jabs to Lotus Fan+Surprise Attack. One of the big problems with Templar is that a lot of abilities just aren't as good due to the way animation cancelling works, or the fact that everything is a channel/cast, or has a lockout/gcd.

There is something else to consider. Stamina flame breath. My apologies if I forget the exact name but you know what I'm talking about. I realize its not huge dps, but its a fantastic conal snare. In the balance of the game ZoS might need to start giving more stamina morphs to other classes if they give DK more. Again, Igneous Weapons leads to a form of execute based off of heavy attack. This isn't as bad as it seems (though situational) since Dk's are also the kings of cc. On my stamina DK I'd probably be happy if they just gave Igneous much longer duration. It is an issue of opportunity cost, and kind of the same problem i have with backlash on templar right now.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Jhunn wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

HAHAHAHAHA

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Compared to other classes 1v1, I.E Stamplars, Magicka Sorcs, Stamina & Magicka NBs, we're below them.

HAHAHAHAHA

Please @Wrobel don't listen to people in this thread

It's pretty funny, I agree. I'm waiting for them to say "It's alright guys, we're just trolling you!" and then we'll all have a good laugh about it.

I'm also waiting for you to finish leveling your stam DK so you can have a valuable opinion on the matter.

Jhunn

Takllin wrote: »

Quite frankly it doesn't bother me one bit whether or not there is a Stamina whip, but do you mind explaining? Instead of non-constructive laughing.

I'm fairly certain I know what your getting at, but just curious.

Make flame lash stamina and you'll cripple one of the already worst builds, magicka DK, even more. Burning embers isn't a self heal. GDB is already sh*t, take away flame lash and magicka DK would be even more sh*t. And stamina DK is already in the top 3 of strongest build, they don't need more self heals. I'd be fine with a stam whip, as long as it doesn't cripple magicka DKs even more and makes stamina DK (even more) imba.

DUTCH_REAPER

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

No Stam whip. It's not needed for a Stam DK. Use your weapons, you know the stamina ones. Now let's move this topic to something good like "FIX MAGIC DKs" specifically for pvp plz

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

xylena wrote: »

stam dk is great in pvp... stam flame lash would make stam dk more competitive in pve, and give more build options other than "stack mighty CP and spam wrecking blow"

That about sums it up.

Takllin

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Jhunn wrote: »

Takllin wrote: »

Quite frankly it doesn't bother me one bit whether or not there is a Stamina whip, but do you mind explaining? Instead of non-constructive laughing.

I'm fairly certain I know what your getting at, but just curious.

Make flame lash stamina and you'll cripple one of the already worst builds, magicka DK, even more. Burning embers isn't a self heal. GDB is already sh*t, take away flame lash and magicka DK would be even more sh*t. And stamina DK is already in the top 3 of strongest build, they don't need more self heals. I'd be fine with a stam whip, as long as it doesn't cripple magicka DKs even more and makes stamina DK (even more) imba.

Agree with you there, I thought this was where you were coming from.

I'd like to see one, but I don't think it's good to just change one morph without other changes. I think people often look at things in a vacuum and don't see the overarching effects that this change has.

Hopefully with the upcoming balance pass, they can buff Magicka DKs(RIP) to a better state and give Stamina DKs some more variety.

Grampa_Smurf

Just get rid of the class ability to morph into stam - Magicka and make all Class abilities scale off highest stat.

Tomato

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Stamina DK's in PvP mainly use 2H / 1H + Shield setups for damage / sustain. I would love to drop WB and use Executioner, Rally, and Stam Whip.......

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Grampa_Smurf wrote: »

Just get rid of the class ability to morph into stam - Magicka and make all Class abilities scale off highest stat.

I wish that'd happen too, but as long as the abilities are divided the community must fight for what they want

Alcast

L2P.

xylena wrote: »

stam dk is great in pvp... stam flame lash would make stam dk more competitive in pve, and give more build options other than "stack mighty CP and spam wrecking blow"

Stam DK is TOP dps PvE wise right now.

and no Wblow build involved here.

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Can we get some devs' opinions? @ZOS_BrianWheeler @Wrobel @ZOS_GinaBruno
And if you guys read this, any upcoming stam class abilities?

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

I just think that avoidance is way too high right now to make any skills with a casting time valuable in PvP. Either, you redesign the dodge/purge mechanics to make dots and castable skills useful again or you give every class (stamina and magicka) a direct attack.

Trayyacakes

The only changes I want on my stam dk is for molten weapons grant major brutality and some other cool dk effect thing instead of buffing heavy attacks, and for dragon blood to actually heal in pvp. Then I could go 1h/shield bow without missing the heal and brutality buff from rally. That would also help when I go spamnado for group play. I guess stam whip would be nice for people that want to go 2h/bow or 2h/dw, but I prefer 1h shield. Light attack ransack bash > wrecking blow spam.

Also delete inferno and give dks a real class execute.

themdogesbite

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Tomato

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Alcast wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

stam dk is great in pvp... stam flame lash would make stam dk more competitive in pve, and give more build options other than "stack mighty CP and spam wrecking blow"

Stam DK is TOP dps PvE wise right now.

and no Wblow build involved here.

Please share the build then.

Etaniel

L2P.

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Alcast

L2P.

Tomato wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

xylena wrote: »

stam dk is great in pvp... stam flame lash would make stam dk more competitive in pve, and give more build options other than "stack mighty CP and spam wrecking blow"

Stam DK is TOP dps PvE wise right now.

and no Wblow build involved here.

Please share the build then.

@Xantaria got a DPS recap somewhere. Ask him

themdogesbite

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

Alcast

L2P.

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.

IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere

Alcast

L2P.

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

It seems like you never can be pleased enough, very well, im outta here

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Alcast wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

It seems like you never can be pleased enough, very well, im outta here

Well everybody knows that video footages are usually against people less experienced. If a player is able to 1vX against competitive players, his class would be obviously overpowered. I though everybody who watch footages was aware of that already.

themdogesbite

Alcast wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.

IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere

Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.

I just wonder, why do they have to use a 2 hander? Its like asking someone to play a non optimal setup and fight against someone that does. Makes no sense to me.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.

IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere

Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.

Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?

themdogesbite

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.

IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere

Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.

Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?

Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.

IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere

Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.

Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?

Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.

Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.

This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.

themdogesbite

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.

IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere

Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.

Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?

Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.

Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.

This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.

Why do they have to use a 2 handed weapon? It dont make sense.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.

IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere

Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.

Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?

Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.

Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.

This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.

Why do they have to use a 2 handed weapon? It dont make sense.

Because the whole point of this thread is to prouve that a stam DK need a proper class direct attack ability so DKs have another option in their arsenal other than having to relay on broken mechanics and exploits such as Bash + LA + Ransack animation cancelling and Reverberating bash or Wrecking blow which is not as good as Surprise attack / Jabs.

themdogesbite

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Alcast wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.

IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere

Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.

frozywozy wrote: »

johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »

@frozywozy

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dFTCgfiYZTg

Etaniel wrote: »

frozywozy wrote: »

Suru wrote: »

After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.

With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.

Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.

@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48

Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).

Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.

Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?

Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.

Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.

This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.

Why do they have to use a 2 handed weapon? It dont make sense.

Because the whole point of this thread is to prouve that a stam DK need a proper class direct attack ability so DKs have another option in their arsenal other than having to relay on broken mechanics and exploits such as Bash + LA + Ransack animation cancelling and Reverberating bash or Wrecking blow which is not as good as Surprise attack / Jabs.

I'm just gonna follow the rest of the posters trying to discuss with you and see my way out. This is pointless.

manny254

L2P.

Watch lowpolicy play.

Stam dk is one of the strongest builds in the game right now. You have the best stam ultimate that yields some of the best burst in the game. The highest raw durability of any stam build. Two different ways to recover resources. (Mountains blessing and battle roar)

edit: with stam whip it would be the most overpowered spec in the game.