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Lava Whip
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frozywozy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learn
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.
IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere
Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).
Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.
Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?
Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.
Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.
This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.
Why do they have to use a 2 handed weapon? It dont make sense.
Because the whole point of this thread is to prouve that a stam DK need a proper class direct attack ability so DKs have another option in their arsenal other than having to relay on broken mechanics and exploits such as Bash + LA + Ransack animation cancelling and Reverberating bash or Wrecking blow which is not as good as Surprise attack / Jabs.
I'm just gonna follow the rest of the posters trying to discuss with you and see my way out. This is pointless.
Suit yourself. If you ever change your mind and decide to find me a stam DK using a 2handed weapon who can beat experienced stam templars/sorcs/nbs, I'll be happy to know it! Good day.Frozn - Stamdk - AR50
Frosted - Magplar - AR50
Frodn - Magden - AR50
Warmed - Magblade - AR50
Mmfrozy - Magsorc - AR44
Necrozn - Magcro - AR32
Twitch.TV/FrozyTV
PvP Group Builds
“Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, and great minds discuss ideas.” -Eleanor Roosevelt- Fix Volendrung (spawn location - weapon white on the map causing the wielder to keep it forever - usable with emperorship)
- Remove / Change CPs System, remove current CP/noCP campaigns and introduce one 30days with lock, one with no locks
- Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
- Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
- Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
- Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
- Fix Balista Bolts not dealing damage on walls or doors if deployed at a certain place
- Release bigger battlegrounds with 8 to 16 players per team and only two teams
- Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
- Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
- Add a function to ignore the Claiming system of useless rewards
- Improve the Mailing System / Rewards of the Worthy stacking
- Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
- Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
- Make snares only available from ground effects abilities
- Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
- Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
- Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
- Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
- Fix loading screens when keeps upgrade
- Fix Rams going crazy (spinning around)
- Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
- Fix speed bug (abilities locked)
- Introduce dynamic population
- Lower population cap by 20%
- Add Snare Immunity potions
- Bring resurrection sickness
- Fix character desync
- Fix cc breaking bug
- Fix gap closer bug
- Fix health desync
- Fix combat bug
- Fix streak bug
- Fix server lag
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frozywozy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.Mojomonkeyman wrote: »
.....johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.
IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere
Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).
Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.
Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?
Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.
Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.
This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.
Why do they have to use a 2 handed weapon? It dont make sense.
Because the whole point of this thread is to prouve that a stam DK need a proper class direct attack ability so DKs have another option in their arsenal other than having to relay on broken mechanics and exploits such as Bash + LA + Ransack animation cancelling and Reverberating bash or Wrecking blow which is not as good as Surprise attack / Jabs.
The only one behaving like a 9years old girl is the one insulting without giving any constructive criticism.
[Moderator Note: Removed moderated quote]Edited by ZOS_KaeylaW on December 10, 2015 2:03PMFrozn - Stamdk - AR50
Frosted - Magplar - AR50
Frodn - Magden - AR50
Warmed - Magblade - AR50
Mmfrozy - Magsorc - AR44
Necrozn - Magcro - AR32
Twitch.TV/FrozyTV
PvP Group Builds
“Small minds discuss people, average minds discuss events, and great minds discuss ideas.” -Eleanor Roosevelt- Fix Volendrung (spawn location - weapon white on the map causing the wielder to keep it forever - usable with emperorship)
- Remove / Change CPs System, remove current CP/noCP campaigns and introduce one 30days with lock, one with no locks
- Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
- Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
- Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
- Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
- Fix Balista Bolts not dealing damage on walls or doors if deployed at a certain place
- Release bigger battlegrounds with 8 to 16 players per team and only two teams
- Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
- Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
- Add a function to ignore the Claiming system of useless rewards
- Improve the Mailing System / Rewards of the Worthy stacking
- Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
- Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
- Make snares only available from ground effects abilities
- Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
- Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
- Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
- Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
- Fix loading screens when keeps upgrade
- Fix Rams going crazy (spinning around)
- Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
- Fix speed bug (abilities locked)
- Introduce dynamic population
- Lower population cap by 20%
- Add Snare Immunity potions
- Bring resurrection sickness
- Fix character desync
- Fix cc breaking bug
- Fix gap closer bug
- Fix health desync
- Fix combat bug
- Fix streak bug
- Fix server lag
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✭johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.
IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere
Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).
Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.
Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?
Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.
Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.
This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.
Why do they have to use a 2 handed weapon? It dont make sense.
Because the whole point of this thread is to prouve that a stam DK need a proper class direct attack ability so DKs have another option in their arsenal other than having to relay on broken mechanics and exploits such as Bash + LA + Ransack animation cancelling and Reverberating bash or Wrecking blow which is not as good as Surprise attack / Jabs.
I'm just gonna follow the rest of the posters trying to discuss with you and see my way out. This is pointless.
Suit yourself. If you ever change your mind and decide to find me a stam DK using a 2handed weapon who can beat experienced stam templars/sorcs/nbs, I'll be happy to know it! Good day.
Then please find me a mana NB that can beat experianced players without a restostaff, i'll be happy to know that too.:]5 -
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✭✭✭✭✭L2P.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.
IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere
Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).
Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.
Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?
Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.
Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.
This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.
Why do they have to use a 2 handed weapon? It dont make sense.
Because the whole point of this thread is to prouve that a stam DK need a proper class direct attack ability so DKs have another option in their arsenal other than having to relay on broken mechanics and exploits such as Bash + LA + Ransack animation cancelling and Reverberating bash or Wrecking blow which is not as good as Surprise attack / Jabs.
By the logic of this argument every class would need a stamina/magica based anytime attack...
Everyone cancelling light attacks using broken mechanics or does it only start with bash?
Exploits - what?Edited by Derra on December 9, 2015 9:59PM<Noricum>
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frozywozy✭✭✭✭✭
✭✭Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.
IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere
Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
@frozywozy
Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).
Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.
Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?
Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.
Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.
This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.
Why do they have to use a 2 handed weapon? It dont make sense.
Because the whole point of this thread is to prouve that a stam DK need a proper class direct attack ability so DKs have another option in their arsenal other than having to relay on broken mechanics and exploits such as Bash + LA + Ransack animation cancelling and Reverberating bash or Wrecking blow which is not as good as Surprise attack / Jabs.
I'm just gonna follow the rest of the posters trying to discuss with you and see my way out. This is pointless.
Suit yourself. If you ever change your mind and decide to find me a stam DK using a 2handed weapon who can beat experienced stam templars/sorcs/nbs, I'll be happy to know it! Good day.
Then please find me a mana NB that can beat experianced players without a restostaff, i'll be happy to know that too.
I didn't know that healing ward required a Bash + LA + animation cancelling and was giving an unbreakable/unresponsive cc to your opponent.Edited by frozywozy on December 9, 2015 10:00PMFrozn - Stamdk - AR50
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- Remove / Change CPs System, remove current CP/noCP campaigns and introduce one 30days with lock, one with no locks
- Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
- Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
- Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
- Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
- Fix Balista Bolts not dealing damage on walls or doors if deployed at a certain place
- Release bigger battlegrounds with 8 to 16 players per team and only two teams
- Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
- Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
- Add a function to ignore the Claiming system of useless rewards
- Improve the Mailing System / Rewards of the Worthy stacking
- Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
- Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
- Make snares only available from ground effects abilities
- Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
- Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
- Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
- Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
- Fix loading screens when keeps upgrade
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- Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
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✭L2P.Mojomonkeyman wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
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Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Animation canceling apparently not intersting, seems like he wants to play a gimped stam dk and then expects to perform with it.. confusing.
IF stamDK gets more buff, then it will be freaking OP.....tho I guess it will happen bc they want to buff DK and Templar. So better get going with stam DK grind @everyonehere
Stam DK is fine atm granted someone uses the tools present atm, its only mana DK thats goofed.johan.danielsson1994b16_ESO wrote: »After this the stam cavalry moves to getting sorcs a stam single target ability morph, it never stops! But yea its still interesting to read on the whip debate. Flame Lash being the one most pvp'rs would choose to be stam morph since its been the one hardcore pvpers have been using for its self healing and proc but pve wise would it really do more than a WB/flurry/bow rotation. You would nerf all pve magik dks by making Molten Whip the stamina morph with the loss of damage but would make stamina competitive. ZoS would have to be super careful with what they do to whip.
With calling stam dks the lowest DPS or bottom of the food chain is ignorant and ridiculous. There are many scary stam dks in pvp who I can name who are tanky, mobile and can hit like a truck. A long with players like @Alcast have shown what dps stam dks can do in trial. With more refinement it would be really high, especially as the CP cap rises.
Wait, you compare someone who use a "one shot" ganking build and claim that stam DKs are in a good shape. That's hilarious. The day Alcast release videos of him 1vXing I will believe it. Until that happens, he can keep heavy attacking / silver bolting / leaping people from stealth on top of rocks or playing with a templar spamming breath of life behind him.
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Let me point you towards some stam dk footage then. Watch and learnhttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tANB5nhwo48
Nice footage and impressive plays. Show me some footage of a stam DK using 2handed weapon fighting Aenir, Fengrush or Essa or any decent stam sorc/templar/nb and I'll reconsider my opinion on stam DKs. The opponents presented in your videos are either magicka or no where near of the high level (no offense).
Well that will be difficult since we play on EU. I can assure you that Little Bem (Fluffy) is one of the best players on EU and that Karras is insanly skilled player too, im sure they could give the players you mention a good run for their money.
Which class / spec are Karras and Fluffy playing?
Fluff is th eplayer in the video that Etaniel linked and karras is in the video that i linked. Both stam DKs, karras playing bow / 2 hand and Fluff playing 1 hand shield / 2 hand.
Ok, I though you were trying to prouve that in the videos presented, experienced stam sorcs/temps/nbs lose to a stam DK using a two-handed weapon.
This is precisely what I'm interested to see in action.
Why do they have to use a 2 handed weapon? It dont make sense.
Because the whole point of this thread is to prouve that a stam DK need a proper class direct attack ability so DKs have another option in their arsenal other than having to relay on broken mechanics and exploits such as Bash + LA + Ransack animation cancelling and Reverberating bash or Wrecking blow which is not as good as Surprise attack / Jabs.
Please stop already behaving like a 9 year old girl. How about l2p instead?
The only one behaving like a 9years old girl is the one insulting without giving any constructive criticism.
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✭✭Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.Allright then. Since everybody seems to disagree, let's all conclude that Stam DKs don't need a class direct attack. Let's close this thread and continue on our journey and have alot of fun spamming animation cancelling ransacks, using unresponsive ccs, win super leet tournaments and make footages about it.Frozn - Stamdk - AR50
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- Fix crashes when approaching a keep under attack because of bad / wrong rendering prioritization system
- Change emperorship to value faction score points and not alliance points - see this and this
- Fix long loading screens (mostly caused by players joining group out of rendering range)
- Add 2 more quickslots to the wheel or add a different wheel for sieges weaponry only
- Fix Balista Bolts not dealing damage on walls or doors if deployed at a certain place
- Release bigger battlegrounds with 8 to 16 players per team and only two teams
- Fix the permanent block animation - see examples : link1 link2 link3 link4 link5
- Gives players 10 minutes to get back into Cyrodiil after relogging / crashing
- Add a function to ignore the Claiming system of useless rewards
- Improve the Mailing System / Rewards of the Worthy stacking
- Assign specific group sizes to specific campaigns (24-16-8)
- Make forward camps impossible to place near objectives
- Make snares only available from ground effects abilities
- Change emperorship to last minimum 24hours
- Fix body sliding after cc breaking too quickly
- Remove Block Casting through Battle Spirit
- Fix the speed drop while jumping - see video
- Fix loading screens when keeps upgrade
- Fix Rams going crazy (spinning around)
- Bring back dynamic ulti regeneration
- Fix speed bug (abilities locked)
- Introduce dynamic population
- Lower population cap by 20%
- Add Snare Immunity potions
- Bring resurrection sickness
- Fix character desync
- Fix cc breaking bug
- Fix gap closer bug
- Fix health desync
- Fix combat bug
- Fix streak bug
- Fix server lag
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Galalin✭✭✭✭✭What's a Dragonknight?Well @frozywozy.... i agree with you. Some ppl just won't get it and sometimes its best to just let them stick thier head in the sand and refuse to see why there is a need for some DK yes DK stam abilities... not just rely on weapon abilities... cause the stam abilities for DK are garbage. A stam DK may be well off in PvP but its not do to the stam abilities from DK
And magicka DK's don't get me started...
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✭✭✭✭✭All classes should have a stamina option for a spammable attack in their class line...and saying only Nightblades/Templars should is downright moronic.
At the same time...Whip needs a bloody buff cause it don't hit for squat (in PvP not PVE)....Esp when you consider the cost associated with it.
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✭Dragonknights don't need stam whip.Allright then. Since everybody seems to disagree, let's all conclude that Stam DKs don't need a class direct attack. Let's close this thread and continue on our journey and have alot of fun spamming animation cancelling ransacks, using unresponsive ccs, win super leet tournaments and make footages about it.
If you had watched some of the fights of the tournament (
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I3b4dnq9gbU[MEDIA]) you would have seen that no unresponsive cc has been used by any stam dk. Nor ransack I believe. Edited by Erondil on December 9, 2015 10:23PM~retired~
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✭✭Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.Please change "Flame Lash" to "Stone Lash" so that it still applies the heal but now is physical damage.- EU - Raid Leader of Banana Zerg Squad
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jrkhan✭✭✭You're just overflowing with excuses. The only class-based instant stamina/physical ability belongs to NB. Everyone else has options to either choose channeled or instant damage from the bow/sword+board/2h/DW weapon lines. Many DKs choose to use 1h/shield should they desire an instant damage ability. Let's keep in mind that there are MANY skill lines in this game, and only 3 are class-based. This gives you the option to pick an ability from a non-class skill line when you don't have a class ability that fits your desires, and it doesn't mean that your class is bad when you "have to" use a non-class ability.
You're offering cloak as a reason that you think NBs have better healing than DKs... that doesn't make sense. Not only are there many ways to counter it, but it's not a healing ability. Again, major mending from igneous directly modifies the heals that all of the stamina classes use - Rally and Vigor. It's no small bonus, either.
No. Simply no. Let me show you how a fight goes between an experienced stam DK against an experience stam NB.
On the stam DK side :
1) Prebuff with Rally, Shuffle, Hardened Armor, Vigor (procs my powerful assault at the same time).
2) Wait for the nightblade to open from stealth
3) CC break from the instant fear as soon as possible (usually the NB can lands a surprise attack successfully)
4) Reapply Shuffle to remove the snare from fear
5) Fossilize the NB
6) Start casting WB (99.99999999999% of the time, the NB cc break and dodge roll away in time)
7) Charge him, try to WB him as he spams cloak, dodge roll and wait for the fear immunity to runs out
8) Go back to 1)
This leads to the conclusion that a stam nightblade has near to no buffs to precast on himself to survive in any fight against a stam DK. It also means that he doesn't need to spend as many defensive champion points (resistant, tumbling, etc) as a stam DK does. He spends those points in nodes that increase his damage even more instead. And finally, he is free to reset the fight at ANY TIME during the engagement since all the cloak counters are crap. The only one that is still pretty decent is Steel Tornado but they intend to nerf its range in the next major update to help counter the blobs. Great isn't it?
As people pointed out, the only way to kill a nightblade is to catch him with wrecking blow once and follow up with take flight and executionner. But most stam nightblades will never get hit by wrecking blow. It is way too easy for them to either fear it, cloak it or dodge roll it. Surprise attack and jabs are way better.
You missed 1) Use caltrops, to greatly hamper his ability to effectively cloak
At least that's what other stamina builds do against my nb's and I do on my stam builds against nb's, usually effectively.
Of course, the NB might also teleport back to his shade (rarely used) or evade particularly well.. But you are acting like there's no counter play to cloak... From your description it sounds like you aren't using the most effective counter at your disposal.
At the very least, you should put down caltrops step 5 or 6 in your scenario above.
If he gets out of the initial caltrops, cast it again on his new position to deny him the ability to reset the fight.
If he tries to cloak anyway, he'll take a tic almost immediately.. Stampede him, at this point you really should have the upper hand.
Of course if you are talking about an experienced NB, they won't try to recloak in that scenario. They certainly can't reset the fight at will like you describe if you use good area denial.
And if they happen to be a vamp for stealth speed, caltrops STILL procs evil/camo hunter.Edited by jrkhan on December 9, 2015 11:07PM1 -
Daveheart✭✭✭✭Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.Here's an idea, give both morphs the damage boost and make one an instant heal on proc and the other a HoT. Then the crying magicka DKs who never PvE can shut up.Daggerfall Covenant (PC-NA)
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✭Dragonknights don't need stam whip.Every class is not supposed to have a magic and a Stam morph for skills. I would relish in DKs having movement speed but that's not how it was designed. You want movement? Better pop Rapids, elusive mist or quick cloak. Nor is a Stam whip "needed" when there are skills in the game right now that can be and are used effectively. A DK should be able to take damage either through mitigation or burst healing (which mag DKs have trouble with for the most part) and deal damage (problem mostly for mag DKs again in pvp). Yeh we all know what went wrong there with 1.6 who plays a DK in pvp.
A Stam whip I do not want or need. Better passives that work efficiently and a true working heal are at the top of my list followed closely by a better DOT mechanic.
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Yuke✭✭✭✭✭Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.Stam DK doesnt need that Skill per se, but it would be nice for build diversity.
Good thing about ransack/unstable flame as a mainattack build, is that you can go almost all out on damage because of the lowcosts + the insane Stamina management a Stam-DK can have (especially a Redguard).
I also think, and this is just my opinion, that DK shouldnt rely on damage only builds, where you just spam one attack. Outsustaining your oponent ist still the best option imho.Edited by Yuke on December 10, 2015 6:48AM2 -
Ernest145✭✭✭Dragonknights don't need stam whip.Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »How do you find that Stam DK's are at the bottom of the food chain? :S
Stam anything is in a very good position.
Compared to other classes 1v1, I.E Stamplars, Magicka Sorcs, Stamina & Magicka NBs, we're below them.
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That is incorrect. Stam dks are under stam nightblades and stam sorcs and templars are underneath. Stam nightblades are sort of fine imo just other classes need to be brought up. Stam dks have igneous shield, scales, fossilize, and unstable flame which are all very powerful for 1vx and 1v1 play. They also have other skills which are nice but not worth over the ones I listed imo. Stam sorc and templar are pretty well below stam dk. All stam sorcs have is basically movement and some nice heals off crit surge, and stam templars have no good class defensive abilities except purifying ritual which can only help so much. Stam dks have igneous which gives insane heals and scales and also the only physical damage ultimate which imo is borderline overpowered it can easily hit for 15k no problem. To say that stam dk is behind stampler and sorc is wrong.Invictus
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✭L2P.This topic man, what class is better... Before making such arguments (@frozywozy), ask yourself first if your IQ is worth of any class to be good.
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Yuke✭✭✭✭✭Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.Stamsorc isnt far below. It has the best regs and max stamina in game actually + almost the same heal output as a ign shield DK.
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Jaybe_Mawfaka✭✭✭✭✭L2P.Sounds like l2p issue. If they will give stam morph to dks I bet I will be godlike, no way. Already can imagine nasty fight vs sorc or anyone else :>
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AlcastClass RepresentativeL2P.Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)
So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!
Prolly all judges werd sorcs hahaEdited by Alcast on December 10, 2015 9:44AMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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✭Dragonknights don't need stam whip.Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)
So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!
Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha
Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.~retired~
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This.I also think, and this is just my opinion, that DK shouldnt rely on damage only builds, where you just spam one attack. Outsustaining your oponent ist still the best option imho.
I'd love a stam whip, but I can live without it (I have so far). People are relying on damage too much, and that's a problem. Yeah, I use a 2h, but primarily for rally, empower and an execute. I use S+B with heroic slash to make up for that loss of dynamic ult gen, and it's not a bad skill.
Burning breath for major fracture in lieu of ransack, and as another DoT on top of unstable flame. I still have fun playing my DK because of the versatility I'm using - not just relying on a 2h. It also keeps me alive a lot longer. With all those DoTs, survivability and medium damage, it's not so bad.
I find it a bit weird I have to use the atronach mundus because of all the magicka abilities I need to keep myself alive, but it's worth it.
Do I want to feel like a true DK and chase people down with a fire whip? HELL YEAH I DO. Though I would rather see heroic slash get a tiny buff in damage, even if the snare was decreased slightly.
Also, Magicka DK still needs an execute and a gap closer that actually works 100% of the time. You might be able to tack on an execute to flame lash or something (upon performing power lash on enemies under 25% health it deals significantly increased damage, for example).
Chains would make a nice gap closer if it couldn't be dodged and actually fired off when it was supposed to. The fact it only works when in a direct line of sight kind of sucks too. If you look at other gap closers (crit rush, invasion) they can traverse fairly complex paths, and teleport strike can pretty much go wherever the hell it wants.
So when people call chains a valid "gap closer" I get a little angry. Has potential, just needs work.
tl;dr; Let's fix magicka DK before looking at stam options. They really need the most help.
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✭✭Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.nvm xDEdited by Master_Kas on December 10, 2015 1:40PMEU | PC0 -
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✭Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing
Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.
This right here is the issue
DKs that want stamina whip are making comparisons to Nightblade + Surprise attack.
Stamina NB is NOT BALANCED. SURPRISE ATTACK is NOT balanced.
Making everything OP is not the solution. Stamina DKs don't have an instant cast stamina based DPS ability, but they can be very tanky.
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AlcastClass RepresentativeL2P.Shield breaker was used though I believe ( from 2 out of 3) which to some degree influenced the outcome ( and led judges to say that it will be banned next time)
So sorcs are allowed to spam shields but nobody is allowed to use shieldbreaker? Must be a great tournament!
Prolly all judges werd sorcs haha
Best sorcs participating died agaisnt people not using shieldbreaker. If you think you need it to kill a sorc, its just a l2p issue really. There were more stamina players in the jury and all agreed to ban shieldbreaker next time.
I am not saying you need shieldbreaker to kill Sorcs. It is just laughable to ban ppl for using a set because Sorcs are too dumb to react to such a situation. And yes, 1 dude using Shieldbreaker is not a problem. It becomes one if several guys spam it, but in a 1v1 that should not be the caseEdited by Alcast on December 10, 2015 2:26PMhttps://alcasthq.com - Alcasthq.com Builds & Guides
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Frawr✭✭✭✭✭Dragonknights don't need stam whip.As a dk, I don't want a stam whip. It just makes the class more generic.
I want:
-Dragon blood to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuffs. And the dot portion to be an actual hot not this stupid % buff to regen.
-inhale cap of 3 to be removed
-Flaps to be uncapped again
-Battle roar to actually return resource as originally intended.
-Frag shield to explode on all shielded players, not only the caster.
-All dk class shields to be unaffected by the (really stupid) battle spirit debuff
Dk has been nerfed in many ways but the most recent 'sledge hammer' nerfs have hurt hardest of all.
Nbs and sorc have stupid insane burst anf templars can heal themselves to full all day.
Make this class properly tanky again please.
No silly generic stamina whips.Edited by Frawr on December 10, 2015 3:17PM5
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