Lava Whip

Turtl3Lov3

There's a reason why stamina Dragonknights are at the near bottom of the food chain, we have no sustainable burst damage. We're forced to spamming WB for our main source of DPS (which is easily avoidable with LoS since there's a cast time) or spamming puncture & reverb, both being slow, weak, and boring play styles compared to those of NBs and Sorcs. Nighblades of both variety are able to have a constant burst within their class abilities. Magicka Sorcerers also don't have much of a problem when it comes to burst & survivability. While I know stamina Sorcerers and both types of Templars have problems of their own, the long imagined idea of stam whip is to address the problems with the once glorious Dragonknight. ZOS should be bringing the other classes on par, not nerfing Nightblades and Sorcerers.



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Bashev

Now stamina Dks can use WB or ransak - bash. Both are pretty good DPS. If they are nerfed then DKs might need stamina whip.

Xvorg

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

_Chaos

How do you find that Stam DK's are at the bottom of the food chain? :S
Stam anything is in a very good position.

Galalin

What's a Dragonknight?

Whats a DK of course..... They were banished... a class without a cause where WB spam is our only friend. Sad times

DK SCRUB OUT

Ghostbane

Stam based whip now... then stam based talons..

And then a *true* RIP Magicka DK.

Fix the magicka problems pls.

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

How do you find that Stam DK's are at the bottom of the food chain? :S
Stam anything is in a very good position.

Compared to other classes 1v1, I.E Stamplars, Magicka Sorcs, Stamina & Magicka NBs, we're below them.

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OdinForge

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

I don't agree that stam DK is at the bottom of the chain, or anywhere near it. Stam DK is quite good actually, and you don't have to spam WB either.

But I think they should have more DPS options, if done right.

Maulkin

DKs never learn.

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.

Alucardo

I wish this poll had "Other". I'd love a stam whip, but my mag DK wouldn't like losing out. It would be nice if lava whip worked like one of those Templar abilities (forgive me, I don't play templar so can't remember the name).
Basically if you have more weapon damage/stam it'll use scale off that, otherwise default to magicka. I'd hate to see this used on EVERY ability in the game, because we need magicka sinks as stam builds so we're not cutting into our main resource.
It would be cool if Lava Whip used this logic so both magicka and stamina DKs can benefit. We definitely need a stam whip though, there's no question about it.

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Not only burning ember but Dragon Blood and they can relay on a resto staff with other magicka heals.

EDIT : I want an option "How do you like your DK?"

Draxys

What's a Dragonknight?

good lawd I hope you're trolling

Alucardo

Adding onto my previous comment, I'd also like to see Lava Whip moved up the skill line a little. Nightblades can get surprise attack early on, Templars get jabs early on, Stam sorcs get.. wrecking blow early on (heh, sorry). I think it'd be nice if DK had some kind of class DD ability to level with as well. Maybe rank 14-20.
Make it longer to morph at low levels if you must, but at least have the ability there.

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know, you'd rather sit above every other class than see all classes be equally competitive in all a aspects of PVP, there was a time when NBs could be nothing but gankers and sorcs were only good for group play, the changes to those classes have been a great thing, but the result was crippling DKs and Templars to take their place with the introduction of 1.7. All classes should be brought on par with equal opportunities for whichever play style the user wants to commit to, no nerfs to any classes are needed, only buffs.

Wollust

No don't take away flame leash from the magicka dks.
If, make a stamina flame leash out of molten whip. That morph is just a really small plus to dps and mag DKs got enough dps in PVE anyway.

By the way, stam dk is extremely strong.
And I'd prefer making stone fist a useful melee stamina morph. Because it's physical damage.

Kutsuu

L2P.

I really don't understand how you can claim that stam DK is at the bottom of the food chain. It has some of the best synergies with stamina damage in the game and is very strong, especially in a 1v1/dueling setting where it is TOP of the food chain.

It could be interesting to have a stam whip, but I doubt many people will use it since it will require elemental expert instead of Mighty to buff the damage... while every other ability you'll be using for damage (including leap and bow heavy attacks) synergize with mighty. Ransack/WB will still be stronger with 25% from mighty.

Alucardo

Kutsuu wrote: »

It could be interesting to have a stam whip, but I doubt many people will use it since it will require elemental expert instead of Mighty to buff the damage... while every other ability you'll be using for damage (including leap and bow heavy attacks) synergize with mighty. Ransack/WB will still be stronger with 25% from mighty.

This is a good point. Though I'm already stacking points into elemental expert because a lot of my damage comes from DoTs, so the whip may just work.
I think the option should be there at least. We may see some new builds coming out instead of just wrecking blow heroes or animation cancelling ransackers.

Turtl3Lov3

Make Molten Whip a stamina based morph.

Alucardo wrote: »

Kutsuu wrote: »

It could be interesting to have a stam whip, but I doubt many people will use it since it will require elemental expert instead of Mighty to buff the damage... while every other ability you'll be using for damage (including leap and bow heavy attacks) synergize with mighty. Ransack/WB will still be stronger with 25% from mighty.

This is a good point. Though I'm already stacking points into elemental expert because a lot of my damage comes from DoTs, so the whip may just work.
I think the option should be there at least. We may see some new builds coming out instead of just wrecking blow heroes or animation cancelling ransackers.

You get it!

Alucardo

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Aw, how can I stay mad at that face

Maulkin

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Xvorg

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

Flame Lash would be better for stam, but Magicka DKs need all the help they can get. I'd prefer molten whip with a weapon dmg increase since NBs get a huge stun from stealth w/ suprise attack and it gives major fracture.

NB have stamina based heal (one being an AoE)
Sorcs have a stamina based heal (and magicka regain)
Templars have a 0 cost Major Forti/Major endurance skill

DKs... have dragon balls... only 3 wishes and you're out (and the dragon is not so powerful as he used to be)

But I agree, Magicka DKs need a lot of love and care. I don't mind losing the extra dmg with fire for a heal in both morphs

Ok, everyone has Vigor...

Beesting

L2P.

Even abraxus is playing on a stam dk, in the recent dueling competition stam dk's came out as winners

Seems like a LTP issue to me,

Like someone said, next people will be asking for stamina talons ^^

I would prefer a skill like fear, that is much more usefull than a stamina whip, and nothing is stopping you to whip with flame lash, i normally only use it once or twice to give a killing blow and i spend hours a day pvp-ing

Flame lash is nice when people run away and dont block, so i would combine it with a fear skill if i could

frozywozy

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Tower_Of_Shame

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

If they make stamina morph of ANY whip then there wont be any reason to be a magicka dk especially if they take away the flame lash... magicka dk already hits like a wet noodle (on vamps still hit hard but meh...)

-flame lash dmg garbage....
- dragon blood heals nothing
- obsidian shield is a joke like poor templars blazing shield compared to other shields

Prolly the only good thing left is talon, scales (when it works... ), deep breath (not for the heals )

Xvorg wrote: »

Flame lash should be stamina based for the life-stealing attack . Magicka builds already have Burning Embers for healing

We only use this useless morph cause they took away the good old unstable flame which is stamina now... (me personally)

And the root of the problem is still burried deep inside the CP system:

Reduce any kind of magical/elemental dmg
- spell shield (resistance)
- elemtal defender (flat)
- hardy (flat)
- thicked skin (flat)

Reduce any kind of physical dmg
- light armor focus (resistance) - useless
- medium armor focus (resistance) - useless
- heavy armor focus (resistance) - useless

And then yeah we can mention dynamic ult, block nerf, removal of soft caps etc etc, dk was always about sustain dmg and sustainability and not about burst dmg + all of the L2P boys shooting projectiles like crazy

Yet magicka DK still good in smaller or larger groups and on 1v1 as well but compared to other classes (stamina/magicka) underperforms

Mojomonkeyman

L2P.

L2P OP. Stam DK is a force. On Eu you even see many Mag DKs running around that have no problem being competetive at all.

I sincerely think you DKs suffer the syndrome mag sorcs will (hopefully) when ZOS decides to do something about wards.

The bads will cry and demand all kinds of crazy buffs (playing the new fotm in the meanwhile), the good will adapt after a while, the great will rock like nothing happened...

Love.

DannyLV702

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Maybe a new ability other than a whip

Xvorg

Make Flame Lash a stamina based morph.

Beesting wrote: »

Even abraxus is playing on a stam dk, in the recent dueling competition stam dk's came out as winners

Seems like a LTP issue to me,

Like someone said, next people will be asking for stamina talons ^^

I would prefer a skill like fear, that is much more usefull than a stamina whip, and nothing is stopping you to whip with flame lash, i normally only use it once or twice to give a killing blow and i spend hours a day pvp-ing

Flame lash is nice when people run away and dont block, so i would combine it with a fear skill if i could

Undaunted webs... the answer is always undaunted webs... and spiders

Maulkin

frozywozy wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

mike.gaziotisb16_ESO wrote: »

DKs never learn.

I know <random rambling>.

Evidently, you know nothing. Stamina DKs are practically at the top of the PvP food chain at the moment, not the bottom. To argue otherwise suggests to me you are playing a different game.

Moving on, even if you argue that stamina DKs need an instant stamina melee skill, Whip is the worst choice of a skill to convert. This subject has been discussed ad nauseam. Follow this link for one of the many previous discussions on the subject.

Now, I would be disappointed if you didn't add a gigantic gif to the bottom of your response. I enjoy nothing more than having to scroll though gif-filled pages. Don't let me down.

Stamina DKs are at the bottom of the stamina food chain.

Spamming bitting jabs > Spamming wrecking blows
Ambush into fear into surprise attack into cloak into wait for cc immunity into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows
Streaking into Critical rush into spamming wrecking blow into repeat > Spamming wrecking blows

Some people are so behind the meta it's not even funny. I don't really know what to say to you to be honest.

Nafirian

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

How do you find that Stam DK's are at the bottom of the food chain? :S
Stam anything is in a very good position.

Compared to other classes 1v1, I.E Stamplars, Magicka Sorcs, Stamina & Magicka NBs, we're below them.

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EU dueling tourney what happend 2 weeks ago 3/4 top 4 were stam DKs.

Tower_Of_Shame

Dragonknights don't need stam whip.

Nafirian wrote: »

Turtl3Lov3 wrote: »

spenc_cathb16_ESO wrote: »

How do you find that Stam DK's are at the bottom of the food chain? :S
Stam anything is in a very good position.

Compared to other classes 1v1, I.E Stamplars, Magicka Sorcs, Stamina & Magicka NBs, we're below them.

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EU dueling tourney what happend 2 weeks ago 3/4 top 4 were stam DKs.

Clueless monkeys that's why Miruku xD

wheny they say stam dk is bad I was like this: